I'm sure that's very convenient in your crusade to defend SC.
No no, it's more this peeps who we already saw this for YEARS, SC + Dates were always facing this outcomes. And years after, here comes the same people here so salty about this; shocker I say! Shocker!
Doesn't make it any less bad from what the reality within their failed release goals are, though it's just funny to see all this anger every time it happens like it wouldn't be expectable.
Especially when the critics (many who are not even backers as this forum's example) are the ones who get most upset.
I'm sure that's very convenient in your crusade to defend SC.
No no, it's more this peeps who we already saw this for YEARS, SC + Dates were always facing this outcomes. And years after, here comes the same people here so salty about this; shockerI say! Shocker!
Doesn't make it any less bad from what the reality within their failed release goals are, though it's just funny to see all this anger every time it happens like it wouldn't be expectable.
Especially when the critics (many who are not even backers as this forum's example) are the ones who get most upset.
What salt? rofl.. it's entertaining to see the fanatics , who regard CIG as a divine entity worth spending so much time defending, continuously eat CIG lies, time after time, while still trying to put on a face of "it's all normal".
I'm glad you agree that they are incompetent though.
As for who is a backer and who isn't, I've been a backer for years. The game they've given me after 5 years of development is utter shit. Maybe after another 5 years they'll deliver something resembling the product they sold me.
What salt? rofl.. it's entertaining to see the fanatics , who regard CIG as a divine entity worth spending so much time defending, continuously eat CIG lies, time after time, while still trying to put on a face of "it's all normal".
lol divine entity xD, I feel the salt indeed, fanatic defenders, fanatic haters, I guess we can create 2 religions by that logic then, and they'll be immortal enemies or something xD
Only SQ42 alone, 2016 said on the beginning of the last year as "hopeful". 2017 is now for SQ42 and even with that, he admitted to the "possibility" it might not.
So a logical person at least, will take the dates with a grain salt and not as rock-solid dates because they AREN'T. Simple enough, no?
What salt? rofl.. it's entertaining to see the fanatics , who regard CIG as a divine entity worth spending so much time defending, continuously eat CIG lies, time after time, while still trying to put on a face of "it's all normal".
lol divine entity xD, I feel the salt from here indeed.
Only SQ42 alone, 2016 said on the beginning of the last year as "hopeful". 2017 is now for SQ42 and even with that, he admitted to the "possibility" it might not.
So a logical person at least, will take the dates with a grain salt and not as rock-solid dates because they AREN'T. Simple enough, no?
A logical person who knows the ins and outs of his own game would not give a 2 week release date and then produce the said content A YEAR later. The same person wouldn't continuously do the same thing again and again. He is utterly incompetent, a liar or both. Simple enough, no?
Though I've no idea why I'm asking you, you can't even tell the difference between salt/laughter/sarcasm.
SUCH SPIN! A logical person will have their expectations for this year in place, especially after this interview.
> SQ42 was put to 2017 and the possibility that it might slide was already admitted to. > 3.0 is now more clearly not coming that soon and a release date was not given. > SC has no current release estimate to even miss.
He was quite straight forward about this, cutting on the hype.
For me expectations are now in place when it comes to dates. Simple enough, no?
SUCH SPIN! A logical person will have their expectations for this year in place, especially after this interview.
I literally didn't need to spin a single thing. I guess we need to add that word to the list of concepts you repeat without understanding what they mean.
I literally didn't need to spin a single thing. I guess we need to add that word to the list of concepts you repeat without understanding what they mean.
I guess I was just on the topic of this thread that was that article. That is the release dates as it stands presently. On that as said he just didn't went with any more shiny new dates as he is known for doing before; he actually did the opposite and even admitted to the possibility of missing 2017 for SQ42.
And that is what I agree his behavior should be, refrain from create hype trains from release dates he will possibly miss, keeping this more realistic approach to it.
And personally, I'll keep up for when 3.0 gets added to the Production Schedule to follow its progress until it releases. It seems SQ42 can also end up doing that as well. <<< Prefering that over the typical release estimates.
What salt? rofl.. it's entertaining to see the fanatics , who regard CIG as a divine entity worth spending so much time defending, continuously eat CIG lies, time after time, while still trying to put on a face of "it's all normal".
lol divine entity xD, I feel the salt from here indeed.
Only SQ42 alone, 2016 said on the beginning of the last year as "hopeful". 2017 is now for SQ42 and even with that, he admitted to the "possibility" it might not.
So a logical person at least, will take the dates with a grain salt and not as rock-solid dates because they AREN'T. Simple enough, no?
A logical person who knows the ins and outs of his own game would not give a 2 week release date and then produce the said content A YEAR later. The same person wouldn't continuously do the same thing again and again. He is utterly incompetent, a liar or both. Simple enough, no?
Though I've no idea why I'm asking you, you can't even tell the difference between salt/laughter/sarcasm.
Roberts is pretty incompetent as a project manager (though better than Garriott), but he also has that special personality make up that allows him to believe his own lies. It's why he can be such a convincing salesman. And why he continually spouts things that just don't happen like he's stated.
Roberts can bring in the money, but he's a major drag on the production.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Hah talk about good timing, this just got posted in another thread I was looking at.
How can you handle several threads of the same discussions about SC at once? Now I see you go there then relay stuff from Frontier's back here.
That's some unhealthy level of stalking, 9 out of 10 doctors would agree. One forum is enough for me! Dscuss the same thing on several forums at once is O.o xD
Don't you worry yourself about my browsing habits MaxBaby, if you should be concerned about anyones, it is your own. You must make 10 or more posts on here a day compared to the less than 10 that I make in a week. Hell, looking at Frontier's forum you made 2500+ posts in 8 months... over 10 a day there as well.
You would think this level of zealotry would burn itself out sooner rather than later.
Seems like i am missing some fun in the SC discussion section of the Frontier forum.
But hey, i was under the - obviously mistaken - impression that the Frontier forum is primarily for discussing Elite:Dangerous ... and that is what i do/did there for the last 2+ years. Silly me.
Falls under the bit called Off-Topic, the part of the forum where you can discuss other games, hardware or anything else you want not directly related to Elite Dangerous. Quite a novel idea tbh...
Falls under the bit called Off-Topic, the part of the forum where you can discuss other games, hardware or anything else you want not directly related to Elite Dangerous. Quite a novel idea tbh...
If you have ever been to that part of the Frontier forum, you will know its a crusaders forum against "TheEvil".
I have participated in discussions in the Off-Topic section and enjoyed it ... thankfully there are enough E:D players that are interested in meaningfull discussion instead of bash-fests. IMHO there is a reason why the SC part of that forum is now at Version 5 (because the threads V1 to V4 were getting too long for forum to handle properly) - endless rehashing of the same things by the same people in the same way... just like here ;-)
Don't you worry yourself about my browsing habits MaxBaby, if you should be concerned about anyones, it is your own. You must make 10 or more posts on here a day compared to the less than 10 that I make in a week. Hell, looking at Frontier's forum you made 2500+ posts in 8 months... over 10 a day there as well.
You would think this level of zealotry would burn itself out sooner rather than later.
No no I'm not worried; I just would never keep track of both after all this is nothing like Erillion just said rehashing the same stuff by the same people countless times. I don't see the appeal, we discuss in circles here as we discuss in circles there. xD O.o
Only that here there's a larger amount of people involved on the discussion so there's margin to some discussion that doesn't involve the traditional controversy.
Thoroughly enjoyed the article. I had to run to the store to buy another container of salt during the read-through but still, good read.
At this point if you are a backer and don't want this game to crash and burn you have to look at it like @MaxBacon stated above: Don't believe anything regarding release/estimates from CR. He (CR) is almost as bad as The Bearded Hipster One ( Sean Murray to the blissfully ignorant) as far as torpedoing his own game. CIG is gonna need all the money they can get to get this game released anywhere close to what was promised because of him. I for one think it will happen someday.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
I gotta admit, it is fascinating watching the greatest scam in gaming history unfold.
again.. explain how it is a scam...?
Missmanaged.. perhaps... Overhyped... for sure...
But a scam... Do explain please.
The problem I see here is that CIG is pouring Kerosin in the Hype fire. CRs game ideas are decades off to be implemented but he wants to sell them now.
Regarding game ideas CR has a simplified overview on the whole project. With them implementing stuff way to early. If you have something that is complex as hell you need to do it more modular and clean. Else every Bug in the game will have an impact on other elements. JUST DO IT - does not work here. In the end they will reach a line where fixing a bug will break complete branches. For Example: People are falling through hitboxes/geometry ok Physic is lagging behind movement, to fix this they probably need to change the way physics are calculated, this could break the complete ragdoll system because it was written on the existing physics. ok they need to change ragdoll, this could have an impact on the item handler. OK item handler has to be adjusted. Now 1st and 3rd person are clipping because item handler has been changed, again they fix this and in the end the whole Barkeeper minigame is fucked up and needs to be rewritten completly.
With housing, ok it's not like dropping a gun on a planet (like CR said) you need a security system, can other players destroy the house, what happens if a Ship is crashing in to the house by accident, where can houses be build, do they decay, how do NPCs interact...
You want to have like 10+ AAA games in one (Elite, NMS, Sims, ARMA, Spore, ARK .. etc, etc) with interacting between them, sure on paper it looks good but nothing in CIGs goat (without goats) simulator is resembling this. And with their dirty programming style this will never work out, they hacking parts together.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
With housing, ok it's not like dropping a gun on a planet (like CR said) you need a security system, can other players destroy the house, what happens if a Ship is crashing in to the house by accident, where can houses be build, do they decay, how do NPCs interact...
Well; the same way they will do it with persistent ships.
It's a persistent player-owned object part of the game world, that is already for long part of the design within capital ships as the Javelin; and those mechanics can pretty much apply to one house.
You're making a big problem out of this feature, one thing if the game wasn't to have any persistent player-owned objects, then they would have to develop those mechanics just for the new feature; but that is not the case here.
I gotta admit, it is fascinating watching the greatest scam in gaming history unfold.
again.. explain how it is a scam...?
Missmanaged.. perhaps... Overhyped... for sure...
But a scam... Do explain please.
<snip> Regarding game ideas CR has a simplified overview on the whole project. <snip>. With housing, ok it's not like dropping a gun on a planet (like CR said) you need a security system, can other players destroy the house, what happens if a Ship is crashing in to the house by accident, where can houses be build, do they decay, how do NPCs interact... <snip>
I agree it would be a valid concern if the article had hyped housing. As you say there is more to housing and it would take more work for it to be implemented.
What CR said though is correct as far as rendering a house on a planet. He didn't spell it out so you say he doesn't know there is more to it. Yet if he had spelt it out he would have been guilty of hype and having no idea about timescales and so forth.
See the problem?
I assume that housing came up - it is one of those topics after all - and CR gave an answer. The end.
A much bigger part of the article talked about how careful CR has become about promising dates - suggesting that CR is very, very aware about the big picture.
As I said I think the link you posted leads to an excellent read- even if the translation isn't perfect - kudos. Trying to pick bits out of it though and then suggest that these comments mean such and such when there is no evidence for those conclusions - pointless.
I assume that housing came up - it is one of those topics after all - and CR gave an answer. The end.
I find this silly. Since Gamescon we know that. Actually since 2014 back then when PG planets where stuff that was to go through R&D still, this was already a given possibility.
Erin Roberts has talked about this, Brian Chambers as well, several engineers on a CIG panel on Germany on a Q&A have talked about the design and plans on this.
When you see the actual devs on stuff as engineering talking about this feature then yeah, this is something they have design docs on and the idea on how to make it happen.
I assume that housing came up - it is one of those topics after all - and CR gave an answer. The end.
I find this silly. Since Gamescon we know that. Actually since 2014 back then when PG planets where stuff that was to go through R&D still, this was already a given possibility.
Erin Roberts has talked about this, Brian Chambers as well, several engineers on a CIG panel on Germany on a Q&A have talked about the design and plans on this.
When you see the actual devs on stuff as engineering talking about this feature then yeah, this is something they have design docs on and the idea on how to make it happen.
Where are these design docs in this open development project? PG planets must have been on the plan since ... well ever ... the alternative to PG terrain is to handcraft every single terrain ... noone is doing this at least not in the last 20 years.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
PG planets must have been on the plan since ... well ever ... the alternative to PG terrain is to handcraft every single terrain ... noone is doing this at least not in the last 20 years.
This is kinda rehashing what was already said once, just confirming it; we go back years and we find the ideas and plans for this very feature.
One of the things about PG Terrain is that they already planned it, but for some reason, some had the belief they would hand-craft everything. The current dev process on PG shows what they wanted to do, the best of both worlds. Call it... "Hand-Crafted PG".
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Doesn't make it any less bad from what the reality within their failed release goals are, though it's just funny to see all this anger every time it happens like it wouldn't be expectable.
Especially when the critics (many who are not even backers as this forum's example) are the ones who get most upset.
..Cake..
I'm glad you agree that they are incompetent though.
As for who is a backer and who isn't, I've been a backer for years.
The game they've given me after 5 years of development is utter shit.
Maybe after another 5 years they'll deliver something resembling the product they sold me.
..Cake..
Only SQ42 alone, 2016 said on the beginning of the last year as "hopeful".
2017 is now for SQ42 and even with that, he admitted to the "possibility" it might not.
So a logical person at least, will take the dates with a grain salt and not as rock-solid dates because they AREN'T. Simple enough, no?
He is utterly incompetent, a liar or both.
Simple enough, no?
Though I've no idea why I'm asking you, you can't even tell the difference between salt/laughter/sarcasm.
..Cake..
> SQ42 was put to 2017 and the possibility that it might slide was already admitted to.
> 3.0 is now more clearly not coming that soon and a release date was not given.
> SC has no current release estimate to even miss.
He was quite straight forward about this, cutting on the hype.
For me expectations are now in place when it comes to dates. Simple enough, no?
I guess we need to add that word to the list of concepts you repeat without understanding what they mean.
..Cake..
And that is what I agree his behavior should be, refrain from create hype trains from release dates he will possibly miss, keeping this more realistic approach to it.
And personally, I'll keep up for when 3.0 gets added to the Production Schedule to follow its progress until it releases. It seems SQ42 can also end up doing that as well. <<< Prefering that over the typical release estimates.
Roberts is pretty incompetent as a project manager (though better than Garriott), but he also has that special personality make up that allows him to believe his own lies. It's why he can be such a convincing salesman. And why he continually spouts things that just don't happen like he's stated.
Roberts can bring in the money, but he's a major drag on the production.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4I-Cj7BemrS2ZqOEZORklxT2c/edit
Have fun
Missmanaged.. perhaps... Overhyped... for sure...
But a scam... Do explain please.
This have been a good conversation
Don't you worry yourself about my browsing habits MaxBaby, if you should be concerned about anyones, it is your own.
You must make 10 or more posts on here a day compared to the less than 10 that I make in a week. Hell, looking at Frontier's forum you made 2500+ posts in 8 months... over 10 a day there as well.
You would think this level of zealotry would burn itself out sooner rather than later.
But hey, i was under the - obviously mistaken - impression that the Frontier forum is primarily for discussing Elite:Dangerous ... and that is what i do/did there for the last 2+ years. Silly me.
Have fun
Quite a novel idea tbh...
I have participated in discussions in the Off-Topic section and enjoyed it ... thankfully there are enough E:D players that are interested in meaningfull discussion instead of bash-fests. IMHO there is a reason why the SC part of that forum is now at Version 5 (because the threads V1 to V4 were getting too long for forum to handle properly) - endless rehashing of the same things by the same people in the same way... just like here ;-)
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/43-Space-SciFi-Games
Have fun
Only that here there's a larger amount of people involved on the discussion so there's margin to some discussion that doesn't involve the traditional controversy.
At this point if you are a backer and don't want this game to crash and burn you have to look at it like @MaxBacon stated above: Don't believe anything regarding release/estimates from CR. He (CR) is almost as bad as The Bearded Hipster One ( Sean Murray to the blissfully ignorant) as far as torpedoing his own game. CIG is gonna need all the money they can get to get this game released anywhere close to what was promised because of him. I for one think it will happen someday.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
Regarding game ideas CR has a simplified overview on the whole project. With them implementing stuff way to early. If you have something that is complex as hell you need to do it more modular and clean. Else every Bug in the game will have an impact on other elements.
JUST DO IT - does not work here. In the end they will reach a line where fixing a bug will break complete branches.
For Example: People are falling through hitboxes/geometry ok Physic is lagging behind movement, to fix this they probably need to change the way physics are calculated, this could break the complete ragdoll system because it was written on the existing physics. ok they need to change ragdoll, this could have an impact on the item handler. OK item handler has to be adjusted. Now 1st and 3rd person are clipping because item handler has been changed, again they fix this and in the end the whole Barkeeper minigame is fucked up and needs to be rewritten completly.
With housing, ok it's not like dropping a gun on a planet (like CR said) you need a security system, can other players destroy the house, what happens if a Ship is crashing in to the house by accident, where can houses be build, do they decay, how do NPCs interact...
You want to have like 10+ AAA games in one (Elite, NMS, Sims, ARMA, Spore, ARK .. etc, etc) with interacting between them, sure on paper it looks good but nothing in CIGs goat (without goats) simulator is resembling this. And with their dirty programming style this will never work out, they hacking parts together.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
It's a persistent player-owned object part of the game world, that is already for long part of the design within capital ships as the Javelin; and those mechanics can pretty much apply to one house.
You're making a big problem out of this feature, one thing if the game wasn't to have any persistent player-owned objects, then they would have to develop those mechanics just for the new feature; but that is not the case here.
What CR said though is correct as far as rendering a house on a planet. He didn't spell it out so you say he doesn't know there is more to it. Yet if he had spelt it out he would have been guilty of hype and having no idea about timescales and so forth.
See the problem?
I assume that housing came up - it is one of those topics after all - and CR gave an answer. The end.
A much bigger part of the article talked about how careful CR has become about promising dates - suggesting that CR is very, very aware about the big picture.
As I said I think the link you posted leads to an excellent read- even if the translation isn't perfect - kudos. Trying to pick bits out of it though and then suggest that these comments mean such and such when there is no evidence for those conclusions - pointless.
Erin Roberts has talked about this, Brian Chambers as well, several engineers on a CIG panel on Germany on a Q&A have talked about the design and plans on this.
When you see the actual devs on stuff as engineering talking about this feature then yeah, this is something they have design docs on and the idea on how to make it happen.
PG planets must have been on the plan since ... well ever ... the alternative to PG terrain is to handcraft every single terrain ... noone is doing this at least not in the last 20 years.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
hehehehe
This is kinda rehashing what was already said once, just confirming it; we go back years and we find the ideas and plans for this very feature.
One of the things about PG Terrain is that they already planned it, but for some reason, some had the belief they would hand-craft everything. The current dev process on PG shows what they wanted to do, the best of both worlds. Call it... "Hand-Crafted PG".