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Spec'ing New PC - Looking for Input

seldinseldin Member UncommonPosts: 196
I am putting together an new PC to get with my Tax Return.  I have an external Dvd and the OS.  Just curious if anyone sees and big issues with the hardware I am missing.  Thanks



Qty.ImageProduct DescriptionUnit PriceSavings Total Price
1 Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout Silent ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:FD-CA-DEF-R5-BKO
Item #:N82E16811352056
In Stock
$109.99 -$10.00 Instant$99.99
1 ASUS ROG STRIX H270F GAMING LGA 1151 Intel H270 HDMI SATA 6Gbs USB 31 USB 30 ATX Motherboards - Intel $139.99  $139.99
1 ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 AMP Extreme ZT-P10700B-10P 8GB GDDR5 IceStorm Cooling Metal Wraparound Carbon ExoArmor exterior Dual-blade EKO Fan Spectra Lighting PowerBoost FREEZE fan stop $459.99 -$30.00 Instant$429.99
1 CORSAIR RMi Series RM750i 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Haswell Ready Full Modular ATX12V  EPS12V SLI and Crossfire Ready Power Supply with C-Link Monitoring and Control $139.99 -$15.00 Instant$124.99
1 Intel Core i5-7600 Kaby Lake Quad-Core 35 GHz LGA 1151 65W BX80677I57600 Desktop Processor $229.99  $229.99
1 CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB 2 x 16GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 PC4 19200 Desktop Memory Model CMK32GX4M2A2400C16 $209.99  $209.99
1 Corsair Hydro Series H110i Extreme Performance Water  Liquid CPU Cooler Cooling 280mm CW-9060026-WW $139.99 -$30.00 Instant$109.99
Subtotal:$1,344.93

Comments

  • sacredfoolsacredfool Member UncommonPosts: 849
    Maybe you are big on overclocking (why get a non-K CPU then?) but I'd never buy a CPU cooler that costs half of what the actual CPU costs. Seems a bit overkill, especially for gaming.

    Just buy an Intel Core i7-7700K instead and a decent $30 cooler (I am too lazy to look). Or stick with the 7600 and spend the $100 to get a GTX 1080.


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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Apart from being ovepriced/excessive, it will work.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    You seem to be operating on a pretty big budget there, but there's no SSD, nor any other storage at all.  On that kind of budget, I'd think you'd want an SSD of at least 500 GB or so.

    I don't see any reason to get a $110 CPU cooler if you're not going to overclock, and you've picked a CPU that isn't overclockable.  Yes, Intel's stock CPU coolers are bad, but a $30 aftermarket cooler can do an excellent job at stock speeds.  I'd either get a cheaper CPU cooler or else get an overclockable CPU.

    32 GB is a whole lot of memory, and personally, I'd settle for 16 GB.  But you've got a large enough budget that, while I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't get 32 GB, I will tell you that 32 GB can be had for a whole lot cheaper than that:

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231967
  • seldinseldin Member UncommonPosts: 196
    I usually spend a bit more on my PC's and then keep them a long time.  I am by no means a expert.  I am more of a novice.  I didn't think I was being that excessive.  Lots of the ones I looked at online seemed to cost a lot more than what I spec'd out.  I just trying to get the best I can that will last a long time.  Not sure if VR will be a thing I will get into but I thought this spec would allow for that as well.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    Depending on how much of a hurry you're in, it might (or might not) make sense to wait a while to buy something.  What's coming soon:

    AMD Ryzen, which should mean AMD is competitive on the CPU side of things for the first time since at least before Sandy Bridge arrived in 2011, and possibly since before Conroe in 2006, depending on what you think of the Phenom II CPUs of 2009-2010.  That might force Intel to cut prices to compete, and it's also possible that AMD will offer 6 or 8 cores for the same price that Intel sells 4 cores for--and without them being markedly slower cores as they are today.  Or it might not matter to you.  But AMD has promised that Ryzen will arrive in the first quarter of this year, and one conference talk scheduled for late February referred to the "recently released" Ryzen CPU, so it will probably be within a month.

    Today, four fast CPU cores without hyperthreading is generally enough for gaming.  But how long will that be the case?  It might still be fine in a decade, or a few years from now, you might regret not getting more than four cores.  I really don't know where this will head for gaming purposes; it's possible that the more computationally intensive things that would have had to have been done on a CPU in years past end up getting shoved off to the GPU so that you still don't need a ton of CPU cores.

    On the GPU side of things, AMD has promised that Vega should arrive in the first half of this year.  That will make AMD competitive at the high end of GPUs, which is likely to lead to some fairly dramatic price drops from Nvidia.  There are also highly plausible rumors of a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti as a cut down version of the GP102 chip, which could easily slot in at the current GTX 1080 price, while the GTX 1070 and 1080 drop.

    That said, it's easy to upgrade a GPU later.  It's hard to upgrade a CPU later, as that usually requires at least a new motherboard and likely also new memory and a new OS license.

    Another thing to think about is monitors.  There's no reason why a monitor upgrade needs to happen at the same time as other components, but if you're going to spend that much on a gaming rig to power only a single 24" 60 Hz 1080p TN monitor, you're doing it wrong.  If you've already got some very nice monitors, there may be no reason to upgrade now, though.
  • seldinseldin Member UncommonPosts: 196
    That is some very good advise.  I will have to think about things a bit.  I hate to overspend but I don't want to get too cheap either.  I usually feel like you get what you pay for these days.  My current rig is almost 6 years old.  It still runs ok but I can feel like starting to start to have some major issues.  I was thinking of getting something in Feb but maybe will wait and see about the TI's.  Not sure but I might be able to get my existing vid card to work and get the rest earlier.  I never been much of an AMD fan.  Had some bad experiences back in the day. 


      
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    edited January 2017
    seldin said:
     I never been much of an AMD fan.  Had some bad experiences back in the day. 
    How long ago was "back in the day"?

    On the GPU side of things, part of the importance of Vega is that it could push Nvidia to slash prices.  For example, if AMD launches a $600 GPU that is 30% faster than Nvidia's $600 GPU, Nvidia might decide that their formerly $600 GPU should now only be $500.

    What we're setting right now in both CPU pricing (from Intel) and GPU pricing (from Nvidia) is what happens when one vendor has monopoly pricing power on high end parts.  If you want a high end CPU or GPU, today, you have to pay whatever Intel or Nvidia decides to charge or do without.  If AMD is competitive again (and at worst, they'll be much more competitive than they are now), then Intel and Nvidia could have to either slash prices or lose most of the high end market to AMD.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited January 2017
    seldin said:
    I just trying to get the best I can that will last a long time.
    That isn't smart. Better to get 3 machines for $500 each than 1 for $1500.

    The quality of components is very high these days and paying for highly priced pieces won't get you much more apart from hefty bill.

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117730 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132947 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226601 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

    I do not think it will make any difference and I am not expecting much but it might be interesting to wait a bit for AMD CPU Ryzen.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Will the build work? No, because your missing storage.

    Apart from that, some of these are repeat comments

    Corsair RM series is notorious for issues
    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/13/corsair_rm750_750w_power_supply_review/9

    H series motherboard on an enthusiast level budget

    No SSD or HDD

    Expensive H20 Cooler on stock clocks

    $1,300 should be a really nice gaming PC, this is not that PC though.
  • seldinseldin Member UncommonPosts: 196
    Ok.  I am re evaluating a few of the items due to everyone's feed back.  Don't worry I will have a SSD or 2 in the build.  some of the items don't look like saving a few dollars here or there will make much difference but I do see how they can add up.
  • BurntCabbageBurntCabbage Member UncommonPosts: 482
    Gdemami said:
    Apart from being ovepriced/excessive, it will work.
    i agree do some price checking 1st ..some of those prices are a bit "out there"
  • Misq2kMisq2k Member UncommonPosts: 11
    edited January 2017
    It all depends on what he is going for and what his budget is and if he is going to buy it all now or in stages ..... Reason for not listing a ssd/hdd might be because he has them in his current pc maybe....... I run the same cooler and my temps sitt around 100 with fans on low speed not making a sound and my pc is not pulling in any dust at all. I mean you can build a pc on a budget with lower end items like https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Misq2k/saved/#view=2Lst6h  and have a ok/fine pc for a while. But for me personally a nice pc must be a insane awesome build pc for you guys looking at the comments. It all depends what you are going for why get a Bugatti Veyron for 2 million when a Porsche GT9-R get you home at just 600k because we can.
  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519
    Holy sh*t that GTX 1070 is expensive.

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    edited January 2017
    Drop the water cooler, drop the ram down to 16gb,  trade the 1070 for a 1080.

    Keep the i5 its better for gaming.  Unless you plan on running 10 clients at the same time then you need i7.



    If you plan on overclocking then just get a different cpu.  And that particular gpu is made for overclocking.  Yes I said cpu and gpu
    Post edited by filmoret on
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Holy sh*t that GTX 1070 is expensive.
    That's not that much more than what they are going for on Newegg. 

    Yes, you can get a 1070 for under $400, but not that particular model, and not that much under.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Judging by how far into the present we are, 35 years later since household PC's began the industry is slacking badly.
    I feel instead of selling over priced hardware that does VERY little to enhance our games and give us smoother ,better game play,let's get developers to optimize and take better advantage of the hardware we have.
    Game design seems so sloppy and rushed,i look back at Might N Magic,quite a bit of Ai on screen and i had a super crap PC by now a day standards ,yet it ran really good.I look at EQ2 several renditions of hardware,several years alter and it still runs like crap.

    We don't need anymore hardware,we need better people in the industry and better effort on our games.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    Ridelynn said:
    Will the build work? No, because your missing storage.

    Apart from that, some of these are repeat comments

    Corsair RM series is notorious for issues
    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/13/corsair_rm750_750w_power_supply_review/9

    H series motherboard on an enthusiast level budget

    No SSD or HDD

    Expensive H20 Cooler on stock clocks

    $1,300 should be a really nice gaming PC, this is not that PC though.
    It's possible that the problems Hard OCP found were in an older version of the RM series, which were fixed by the time the RMi series came out.  Jonny Guru gave fairly glowing reviews to the 750 W and 850 W versions of the RMi series:

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=432
    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=441

    Jonny Guru isn't as harsh as Hard OCP in their power supply reviews, but they're still rigorous and not afraid to denounce junk.

    That said, you can get an excellent quality power supply for a lot less money than that:

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151118

    The one Gdemami linked is a good option if you're trying to fit a $700 budget while still getting fairly nice quality, but the original poster seems to have the budget for something better.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    seldin said:
    Ok.  I am re evaluating a few of the items due to everyone's feed back.  Don't worry I will have a SSD or 2 in the build.  some of the items don't look like saving a few dollars here or there will make much difference but I do see how they can add up.
    There is rarely a point in buying multiple SSDs for the same gaming rig.  If you buy one, then later need more capacity, it's easy to add another.  But if you need a ton of capacity for bulk media like videos, you can buy both an SSD for the OS and programs you use, and then a large hard drive for bulk media.

    If 500 GB of capacity is enough for you, then the solution on storage is pretty simple:  get a ~500 GB SSD and no hard drive and call it a day.  If you need more capacity than that, then get both an SSD and a large hard drive with all the capacity you need.  If you don't know how much capacity you need, then check what you're using now; double that should last you for some years to come.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    Prepare yourself to receive a thrashing on your build.
    First your mobo. You are paying more for a less capable mobo. In your budget you could aim for a z270 mobo that supports higher memory standards through OCing. Here is a quick list of 4 comparable z270 mobos:
    ASUS Prime z270 $135.99
    MSI z270 PC Mate $124.99
    ASRock z270 pro4 $119.99
    Gigabyte GA-z270-HD3 $114.99

    Second you have 4 memory dimms, use them. Here is a quad channel memory at a higher clock for the same price:
    G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4-3200 $209.99

    Third you have an underwhelming case for an overwhelming price. You can go much lower if you don't mind noise. Here are some cases that look a bit better in that price range:
    Phanteks Eclipse P400S Silent Edition $89.99
    In Win 303 Black $89.99

    Fourth your PSU is more than you need for your build. It's both not good to go for too little power and too much power. You want to get your PSU near the maximum your system requires so in typical operation it is drawing power more efficiently. Here is my recommended PSU:
    Seasonic Flagship PRIME 650Watt $149.99

    Fifth, if you are concerned with a quiet PC get a Hybrid cooled GPU as that is the loudest component:
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW Hybrid $439.99
    MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Sea Hawk X $449.99

    Sixth, get an M.2 drive since you have the slots:
    Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 $279.99

    Those are my recommendations.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    1. if your PC hasnt died, wait for a month or so as thingss in CPU deparetement could get very interesting

    2. which monitor do you have
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Quizzical said:
    seldin said:
    Ok.  I am re evaluating a few of the items due to everyone's feed back.  Don't worry I will have a SSD or 2 in the build.  some of the items don't look like saving a few dollars here or there will make much difference but I do see how they can add up.
    There is rarely a point in buying multiple SSDs for the same gaming rig.
    Unless you plan to put two in raid 0 for even more speed... but that's really extreme.
    Whats with @Gdemami  clicking lol for everything.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited January 2017
    He's amused by the inane ramblings of us inferior intellects. He knows that logically his computer builds are far superior to our puny human technologies and methodologies. And when he and his kind finally take over the world and eradicate all the rest of the lower beings, he will finally be able to utilize the full resources of the planet Earth to build a computer that he deems worthy. And Gdemami shall name his creation "Deep Thought."

    And then he will ask Deep Thought: "What is the meaning of life?"

    To which, it will compute for 7.5 million years. And then, in a moment of utter brilliance of such sheer magnitude never before realized in the entire universe or creation, Deep Though shall reply:

    "42."

    *edit*

    I can almost see the specs of Deep Thought now:
    1 DIMM, a B-series motherboard, and a Pentium CPU (overclocked, of course)
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