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Laptops---Which would you choose

MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
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I had a thread about this earlier.  I have a few different laptop I am looking at.  If anyone knows of a good place to get a laptop without bloatware I would really like to know.  The laptop is for my wife who will mostly be using it for web surfing and word processing. 

https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Flagship-Qual-Core-Processor-Bluetooth/dp/B01N25GFLA/ref=sr_1_149?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1485537547&sr=1-149&keywords=laptop&refinements=p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_twelve_browse-bin:9521908011,p_n_feature_five_browse-bin:7817224011


https://www.amazon.com/Asus-Flagship-Performance-A10-8700P-Processor/dp/B01M0S861P/ref=sr_1_132?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1485537458&sr=1-132&keywords=laptop&refinements=p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_twelve_browse-bin:9521908011,p_n_feature_five_browse-bin:7817224011

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G57Z4653

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAA0S5529281

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234444

Thanks in advance.





“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

--John Ruskin







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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    HP 250 hands down.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    The A10s and the 13 & i5 machines are barely adequate for modern gaming.  The next generation of games based on UE4 and others are going to choke all of those, because they are all using on-chip video.  The A10s have better video that the i3 & i5 units, but that ASUS i7 with the dedicated GT940MX video is going to kick butt on the others, even though it is last gen tech.

    Look at this page  https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167748%20600564384

    What do you note?  THEY ARE ALMOST ALL RETURNS.  These machines were not fast enough for the gamers that bought them, and they were returned.  Only the ASUS i7 you listed in the OP is faster than these machines on this list I sent.

    When I get home I will do some more research and list a few suggestions.


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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    Any of the Asus should do. There us not much difference between the 2 from Amazon, so I would go with the cheaper one. They have a better GPU than the HP and Lenovo. However the first two are crippled by memory bandwidth. They should still perform admirably for the price. The Asus from Newegg comes with a premium that will positively impact performance
  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    GladDog said:
    The A10s and the 13 & i5 machines are barely adequate for modern gaming.  The next generation of games based on UE4 and others are going to choke all of those, because they are all using on-chip video.  The A10s have better video that the i3 & i5 units, but that ASUS i7 with the dedicated GT940MX video is going to kick butt on the others, even though it is last gen tech.

    Look at this page  https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167748%20600564384

    What do you note?  THEY ARE ALMOST ALL RETURNS.  These machines were not fast enough for the gamers that bought them, and they were returned.  Only the ASUS i7 you listed in the OP is faster than these machines on this list I sent.

    When I get home I will do some more research and list a few suggestions.
    The system does not need to be strong for gaming as my wife is not a gamer. 

    “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

    --John Ruskin







  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088
    Web surfing and Word processing?  Buy her a tablet.

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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    Kyleran said:
    Web surfing and Word processing?  Buy her a tablet.

    She has a tablet.  I think she wants something a bit better/easier for Word processing. 

    “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

    --John Ruskin







  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    The keyboard response is one of the things I worry about.  I think it does make sense to take her to a few stores and have her try some keyboards to see what she likes.

    Thanks for the advice. 

    “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

    --John Ruskin







  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088
    MMOman101 said:
    The keyboard response is one of the things I worry about.  I think it does make sense to take her to a few stores and have her try some keyboards to see what she likes.

    Thanks for the advice. 
    Agreed, if she's a serious Word user, then the feel of the keyboard is everything, and sometimes laptops arrange the keys a bit oddly and she might not like it.

    If you can try them at your local big box store might be the best advice.

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited January 2017
    I would choose a Macbook for a laptop, but I may be the odd duck out in this forum in that regard. A close second, and what I am actually considered for my next laptop, would be an MS Surface Pro.

    I wouldn't consider any of the laptops you have picked out right now, to be honest about it. 
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Just take her to bestbuy and pick out something she likes the feel of.  I wouldn't go over 500$.  And avoid anything with a dedicated gpu.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    MMOman101 said:
    GladDog said:
    The A10s and the 13 & i5 machines are barely adequate for modern gaming.  The next generation of games based on UE4 and others are going to choke all of those, because they are all using on-chip video.  The A10s have better video that the i3 & i5 units, but that ASUS i7 with the dedicated GT940MX video is going to kick butt on the others, even though it is last gen tech.

    Look at this page  https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167748%20600564384

    What do you note?  THEY ARE ALMOST ALL RETURNS.  These machines were not fast enough for the gamers that bought them, and they were returned.  Only the ASUS i7 you listed in the OP is faster than these machines on this list I sent.

    When I get home I will do some more research and list a few suggestions.
    The system does not need to be strong for gaming as my wife is not a gamer. 
    Sorry, I assumed that since you were asking on a gaming site, you were looking for a gaming laptop.  Any of those you listed will work just fine for non-gaming, so go cheap.  I don't recommend HP anymore though, if you want the reasons, PM me.


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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    GladDog said:
    MMOman101 said:
    GladDog said:
    The A10s and the 13 & i5 machines are barely adequate for modern gaming.  The next generation of games based on UE4 and others are going to choke all of those, because they are all using on-chip video.  The A10s have better video that the i3 & i5 units, but that ASUS i7 with the dedicated GT940MX video is going to kick butt on the others, even though it is last gen tech.

    Look at this page  https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167748%20600564384

    What do you note?  THEY ARE ALMOST ALL RETURNS.  These machines were not fast enough for the gamers that bought them, and they were returned.  Only the ASUS i7 you listed in the OP is faster than these machines on this list I sent.

    When I get home I will do some more research and list a few suggestions.
    The system does not need to be strong for gaming as my wife is not a gamer. 
    Sorry, I assumed that since you were asking on a gaming site, you were looking for a gaming laptop.  Any of those you listed will work just fine for non-gaming, so go cheap.  I don't recommend HP anymore though, if you want the reasons, PM me.
    I go to very few forums so limited sites I am a part of to ask the question. 

    “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

    --John Ruskin







  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    I would get your second link:

    https://www.amazon.com/Asus-Flagship-Performance-A10-8700P-Processor/dp/B01M0S861P/ref=sr_1_132?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1485537458&sr=1-132&keywords=laptop&refinements=p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_twelve_browse-bin:9521908011,p_n_feature_five_browse-bin:7817224011

    I'm impressed at what you've been able to find, as there are actually some laptops there that have reasonable specs.  All of your links have an SSD, which I'm sure is intentional on your part, but it wasn't that long ago that if you wanted an SSD in a $500 laptop, you had to buy a $400 laptop and add an SSD yourself.

    I wouldn't get the last one just because it's more expensive and your wife won't care about the difference (larger SSD and a discrete video card).  The two Asus laptops on Amazon both say IPS monitors.  The HP and Lenovo don't specify, and an IPS monitor is a big selling point, so if they had one, they'd presumably say so.

    The two on Amazon might plausibly be identical.  The second one explicitly specifies that it has two 4 GB memory modules, while the first doesn't say, and that's better than one 8 GB module, which would cut your memory bandwidth in half.  The second link is also $20 cheaper.
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    I like ibuypower.com. Have bought two computers from them over the years and have been happy. You can request a clean install if you want. I did. 

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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    Quizzical said:
    I would get your second link:

    https://www.amazon.com/Asus-Flagship-Performance-A10-8700P-Processor/dp/B01M0S861P/ref=sr_1_132?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1485537458&sr=1-132&keywords=laptop&refinements=p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_n_feature_twelve_browse-bin:9521908011,p_n_feature_five_browse-bin:7817224011

    I'm impressed at what you've been able to find, as there are actually some laptops there that have reasonable specs.  All of your links have an SSD, which I'm sure is intentional on your part, but it wasn't that long ago that if you wanted an SSD in a $500 laptop, you had to buy a $400 laptop and add an SSD yourself.

    If you change out the HD in a laptop is there a chance that you might have issues with the reinstall of the OS.  That is one of the reasons I was not going that way.  The last thing I want is product key or install issues. 

    “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

    --John Ruskin







  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    Heat and noise. If you get an SSD and don't have a video card the heat and noise will be reduced. 

    “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

    --John Ruskin







  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    What makes for a good web browsing experience?  An SSD that makes things on the computer load fast, an IPS monitor so that sites look good, and an ethernet cable so that the Internet actually works right reliably.  Ethernet cable sold separately.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Quizzical said:
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    What makes for a good web browsing experience?  An SSD that makes things on the computer load fast, an IPS monitor so that sites look good, and an ethernet cable so that the Internet actually works right reliably.  Ethernet cable sold separately.
    Yea all those people with hdd's are having really bad browsing experiences.  I dont know how they ever get a computer to boot properly.  Wait you aren't going to use the hdd for web browsing but dont tell anyone that.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    MMOman101 said:
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    Heat and noise. If you get an SSD and don't have a video card the heat and noise will be reduced. 
    Its your call dude but heat and noise aren't a problem with a laptop that doesnt have a gpu.  You really should goto bestbuy and get the coolest running machine you can find otherwise you won't know till it shows up at your house.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,521
    filmoret said:
    Quizzical said:
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    What makes for a good web browsing experience?  An SSD that makes things on the computer load fast, an IPS monitor so that sites look good, and an ethernet cable so that the Internet actually works right reliably.  Ethernet cable sold separately.
    Yea all those people with hdd's are having really bad browsing experiences.  I dont know how they ever get a computer to boot properly.  Wait you aren't going to use the hdd for web browsing but dont tell anyone that.
    You know how Apple managed to convince people that the iPad, iPhone and such were anything other than horrendously slow for web browsing?  SSDs.  Very small SSDs, perhaps, but still, NAND flash as opposed to spinning platters.  And then their competitors copied that approach and the smartphone revolution extended beyond a handful of people with Blackberries and tablets became something widely used.

    Web browsers are extremely aggressive about caching local copies of things as you visit web sites rather than redownloading everything from scratch every single time.  It means there are a ton of very small file reads and writes as you go web browsing.  And that's what SSDs shine at.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    You have no clue what you talk about.

    I would say it was the terrible 5400 disks in laptops that actually started the 'SSD craze' because that thing is plain awful to work with.
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    MMOman101 said:
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    Heat and noise. If you get an SSD and don't have a video card the heat and noise will be reduced. 
    Heat, noise and especially fragility.  HDDs are not built for the rougher life a laptop has compared to a desktop.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Gdemami said:
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    You have no clue what you talk about.

    I would say it was the terrible 5400 disks in laptops that actually started the 'SSD craze' because that thing is plain awful to work with.
    I'm using 3 laptops right now.  2 of them are 5400 rpm and this one is 7200 hdd's.  Oh man my web browsing experience is just so horrendous.  I should immediately go out and buy a ssd.  Oh way i been doing this for years and yes it probably would make a difference but somehow I have had no urge to buy one even in my newly build gaming pc.  It is not as important as some of you are making it.  Otherwise I would have already gotten a bunch of them.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Grunty said:
    MMOman101 said:
    filmoret said:
    SSD for word processing and internet surfing.  You guys are overkill.  Lets get a Corvette to mow the grass.
    Heat and noise. If you get an SSD and don't have a video card the heat and noise will be reduced. 
    Heat, noise and especially fragility.  HDDs are not built for the rougher life a laptop has compared to a desktop.
    Say that to my last 5 laptops which none had hdd issues.  But I can get what jeanluc is saying about the power consumption that would be a definite bonus for battery life.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
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