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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Something being negative is mostly subjective. The other perspective is criticism, which people seem to automatically label as negative based on their perception of it. If someone's criticism can bring at least one counter point to "fix" the issue or bring knowledge to one criticizing then people would acknowledge it as constructive. It also depends on how many times the person have brought up point after point in repetitive threads until words end up being minced. For example, I often say "negative" things about FFXIV and have given "fixes" accompanied with those criticisms. But sometimes you may see a thread and want to give both sides of a coin instead of just one, like how I often see in written and video reviews of the particular game that the end game raiding is one of the best on the market. These comments are often made by people who have not experienced said content or even bother to get information from more than close people who play, which in turn makes it subjective instead of objective. The fights are solid, depending on the type of player you are, but the loot in not. Whether people like to admit it or not, the loot is just as important as the challenge of the content, otherwise people will not continuously run it (please spare me on the 'but I've run X content all the time with friends').
Point is, its better to give "negative" information vs information that is incomplete, so that people are not wasting their time since for many, time is more valuable than money. And that can be applied to several threads about publishers/developers/etc. Its simply informing those that may not have information or bother to search for information before "getting excited" about something. Most of us on this site are adults and should be able to handle the truth about products we are about to engage in instead of blindly following the next new thing.
The problem isn't the discussion about what one finds offensive - supposed Sovrath's post but reactions to such thoughts. You put such discussion out of table and implied we should ignore all we dislike, no discussion allowed.
Overly securing personal rights leads to their restriction...political correctness we see today.
People come here because official game sites are so heavily moderated. Read some of the history of the Mortal Online forums and how heavily moderated that site is. Can you honestly say you can get a good grasp of the games pros and cons from that site?
The gaming media makes its money from game advertising. If your site contains negative content about a game, that developer will not advertise on it. This is the reason the gaming media has changed so dramatically over the last 15 years and why almost every major game magazine and news site has so little negative content. Why do you think this site has added non-game related ads? So they are not totally under the control of game developers.
If you only want positive news, there are tons of others places to go. If you want only negative news, you can go to the something awful forums. If you want honest discussion of good points and bad, this site is your only hope.
Unless you're a girl of course in which case... Howyadoing!
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― CD PROJEKT RED
I have a different crew, which started after I retired from pro-gaming and got into serious MMORPGing! Now rarely met because we are from all around the world. And our passion is more like a poetry group. We RP, we share writing, we imagine stuff together. To be honest I think there is more depth here, because we've all given up on pro-gaming but this, this is for life. At least it is with me.
I can't say which type of game I cared about more honestly. But I can definitely say these passions were and are really different. But to be honest, I don't see the passion for example Quake players had back then in today's MOBA players. I am still active in the field and know a lot of them, they are a very different generation. They sit next to each other and text each other! >.<
One thing I have noticed from this site though is that I have never seen anyone convince another with an opposing view to their way of thinking. I think anonymity, stubbornness, and pride prevent that from happening.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
MMOs could be so fantastic. This is how I want to spend my spare time. I want to play a good MMO. And then I get what`s on the market instead.
-There are too many money-men involved in the development process. "What will our shareholders like" becomes a more important question than "what will our players like".
-There are too many old farts who had some good ideas back in last century who now are in charge. We need someone who still have got pimples in their faces to lead the way, not someone who is still in love with Ultima Online.
-You can`t have anything nice for free. Good products cost money, but no gamer wants to pay for a good game. It is easier to just complain here.
I never said he couldn't post 100 or 1000 more times saying he disliked the way others expressed themselves. Not once did I say he, you or the OP should stop posting on this topic.
I also never said you SHOULD ignore what you dislike. I said you COULD and that this was PREFERABLE to stifling any thoughts, speech or tactics that you find discomforting. I could care less what YOU choose to hear. I don't want to force you to hear anything, but I will continue to point out that we should not EVER stop people from being free to express those thoughts.. PARTICULARLY when all you need to do to ignore them is hit a simple button. This purity of thought is the dangerous slope we are traveling down. I don't have to agree with a single thing you have said. I can think you are 100 percent wrong.. every single word... but I think it's important that you CAN say it.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
/shrugs
I am not for or against your opinion on the matter. As is common for me, I prefer a middle ground.
I do have to wonder though, since I see these very same arguments in trade channel in WoW ever so often, a place where each side of the spectrum is often colliding. Maybe less so these days, but once it was often.
When people request that people tone down things a little and just converse in a way that a lot of people perceive as well mannered, these people asking for a moderate tone, are told to just hit the ignore button.
Over the years this is what people have done and will keep doing, so now trade is at a point where its basically only people of the more vulgar speaking kinds, yelling profanity at each other all day long.
Is this the path you would prefer the world to take?
A place where well mannered people keep quiet and only the loud snap talk, rap battle crowd is meant to converse? And everyone who does not like that is told to take a hike?
I do understand that the ignore function is smart and easy, but as a wider phenomena, maybe its not the well behaved people that you should fear so much? They are after all typically pretty well mannered?
But anyway, I am not for or against, I am curious about how people at each their end of the spectrum will somehow develop a way to meet in the middle one day.
And imo this forum is really well mannered, even when people disagree its like watching well educated gentlemen bash each other wearing gloves.
Very enjoyable.
Obviously SWG created mucho hate for the CU/NGE. I remember AOC and WAR creating some shitposting because for some reason the fans thereof were convinced that those two games were going to "kill WoW"! Imagine that! Silly to think now but still. GW2 was a big negative content creator before launch too.
OMG let's not forget Darkfall! THAT was the craziest I remember it getting here until SC. Now SC is the "Whiteknight vs.Troll" forum champion here. STAY AWAY if you are easily hurt like OP is (also do not call someone a Whitenight, they don't like it for some reason). I've had to quit posting there so much myself because I'm getting shit from both sides now. No middle ground there folks!
TL;DR Nothing wrong with this site, it ebbs and flows.
EDIT: Oh yeah Ignore is your friend. I only have one asshat on it but they don't seem to post here anymore.
I do enjoy seeing some posters letting their freak flag wave though, it's like Outsider Art!
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
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I have been lied to by mmog companies more times than if I talked to a politician or used car salesman......AND I'M SICK OF AND I'M SICK OF IT AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.
If you want ''negative'' try the WoW forums and do a comparison.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I also think you are taking it to an extreme by comparing people criticizing a game with "yelling profanity at each other all day long". That would be against the general rules of the site. If a place has RULES... you follow the rules. If you donj't like like the rules, you should skip that place.
In a theater for instance you don't stand up and recite the Gettysburg address while the movie or play is going on (unless you are acting in said play). On a forum however, who's entire purpose is to have discussions of various perspectives... people should be free to do that. There are of course rules here as well. I would not go into the WoW forum and start a thread about Star Citizen fundraising. I can honestly say, as someone that visits the site multiple times most days... that threads like that are very, VERY rare.
What is much more common is folks taking a criticism of their chosen game (valid or invalid) as a personal attack on themselves and then, feeling threatened start clamoring to stifle that person from posting. The better tactic is to either acknowledge a fair criticism or explain why it is unfair. If you cannot do so in a way that convinces the other readers... try harder next time... learn how to frame and argue a debate.
Alternately, if you do not like what you hear you can in fact easily self-censor that input via the ignore button. I would rather the person post why they disagree so that the debate can be engaged and more content created for the community.
* Note that other than the second sentence.. when I use YOU it is a generic word and not ascribed to you personally.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018