Don't play it because it is not Elder Scrolls. It's a generic MMO with ESO skins painted on it.
you can just make a character and head off in any direction and start questing.
I think you pretty much proved her point with that last sentence right there.
Oh sure, the Elder Scrolls games have quests but one doesn't ever have to do them. I find the "questing" (never has there been a more horrid word in gaming in my opinion) in Elder Scrolls Online is great if you like quests. But it feels more like a quest game because the exploring doesn't really lead to anything interesting or compelling. The dungeons, caves, mines aren't' really interesting.
I realize they said they were going to rework them but I can always expect to go around in a loop.
I can't tell if you're talking about Skyrim and other ES single player titles or ESO because I found what you said true in both.
I would say Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim.
There are a lot of different little "stories" that happen in many of their dungeons/caves/tombs. I haven't really found that to be true in Elder Scrolls Online. There seems more care in the construction of each "dungeon" in the single player games.
All I know is that I log into Elder Scrolls Online, maybe wander a bit, do a dungeon or quest and then log off and play hours in any one of the single player games. So for me there is obviously something different.
I am looking forward to seeing what they do for the Morrowind Expansion.
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It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
I gave you an "awesome" just for your avatar picture!
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
I gave you an "awesome" just for your avatar picture!
As others have said, I've tried numerous times to get into ESO but I cant. I like the idea of ESO, but not ESO . I just cant bring myself to play it. I guess it just bores me. I dont think its a bad game, its just unable to hold my attention for some reason. Its been on my computer for months without being touched until the announcement about Morrowind.
I'll give it a few more chances before I inevitably uninstall it. Who knows, maybe one of these says it'll strike a match within me.
I didn't play SWTOR initially for the same reason. I had pre-ordered it, but they effed up my account and wouldn't let me back in and their solution was to have me scan and email a copy of a piece of photo ID to them (which makes very little sense to me). This was in beta, btw, like early access 3 days before launch. It was such a flawed system. I'm glad they fixed it, though. However, as far as first impressions go, I was not happy.
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
Don't play it because it is not Elder Scrolls. It's a generic MMO with ESO skins painted on it.
you can just make a character and head off in any direction and start questing.
I think you pretty much proved her point with that last sentence right there.
Oh sure, the Elder Scrolls games have quests but one doesn't ever have to do them. I find the "questing" (never has there been a more horrid word in gaming in my opinion) in Elder Scrolls Online is great if you like quests. But it feels more like a quest game because the exploring doesn't really lead to anything interesting or compelling. The dungeons, caves, mines aren't' really interesting.
I realize they said they were going to rework them but I can always expect to go around in a loop.
uhm.. Elder Scrolls SP has quests.. ESSP also has dungeons and caves that arent that interesting by themselves. Both games share the same questing style..same exploration..ofc a sp map may feel more dense, but the ESO version has the entire tamriel. Again both games are very similar just one is SP the other is MMO..
I'm not sure of how I'm proving her point. I'm not saying she is wrong for not liking ESO, I'm saying her reasoning is off.. she said it doesn't feel like Elder Scrolls, I'm just pointing out the things that it does that Elder Scrolls SP does also
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I guess some people need validation from others to justify they made the right decision. Weak.
This. The whole thread just sounds like people trying to justify why they personally choose to not play. As if they have to prove its the games fault they aren't playing.
Its not as if somebody told you couldn't play it. Its not for everybody right, so its cool if you don't want to play it.. there are a ton of other games. I think ESO is getting more and more popular because people are looking for something different. Sort of reminds me of what happened to WoW (not to make an argument about wow vs ESO) but as far as timing? ESO came out at the perfect time and made the right adjustments so far. All the people who DON'T play it, are wondering why so many people are actually enjoying "ESO 2.0"
I am one of the people who came back when they got rid of "zone restrictions". That was my only gripe in the game at launch, and it was the thing that made it feel LESS like ES imo.. but they have long since fixed that issue and myself and many others are enjoying the "ES but Online" game it is today.
If I had a complaint it would be the PVP imbalance but that's in every MMO ever and they have taken steps to try to improve it, its just hard because of all the different builds people come up with.
The fact they they update in a good pace is a bonus. +10 to confidence in ZO
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Questing in ESO is just as optional as in the SP games. As a matter of fact killing mobs is a much faster way to level by a factor of X5 or X10.
Don't want to grind for the XP either? Just turn off quest markers and go explore wherever you want.
There is no need in ESO to EVER do any quest other than the tutorial... and even that only on your first character - the tutorial can be skipped for any subsequent characters.
That differentiation between the SP games and ESO is a red herring.
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ESO isnt perfect, but what game is? But it is a damn good game and can provide you with hours of fun which is the point of games anyway? People have to stop being so uptight about "oh the game doesn't do this one thing I wanted so fail game i wont play it" and just enjoy it for what it is. What ESO is.. a good attempt of taking things we love about ES and making it work with your friends. That's awesome if you are an ES fan
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
Help me out then. What mmos don't require fotm builds for challenge level group content? For that matter even regular group content?
You kick complaint is about challenge level content. Every mmo that has roles and challenge level content has this attribute. In every mmo with cookie cutter / fotm builds I've played you could do it differently if you build your own group with friends/guildies.
I suppose you're right in the sense that ANY game that has "build freedom" ends up requiring FOTM or something close to it in order to be successful at the highest levels.
It's just so much more disappointing in ESO because it's not just a matter of what skills or what rotation are being used but it goes deeper than that all the way to weapon/playstyles. The min/maxed builds that can compete in high end content make it so that you end up with a bunch of clones while. Stamina DPS? Doesn't matter what class, race, whatever: DW/Bow is the answer, anything else is considered gimp. Healing? Better have a Templar. Tanking? DK. What's the point in all the choices if you can't build more than one way and be successful in endgame content? Might as well streamline everything like most other MMOs at that point. The choices have already been made for you.
Edit: Suppose it depends on the player too. Raiding is probably my favorite part of an MMO and I feel like build diversity is lacking sorely in them.
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
Help me out then. What mmos don't require fotm builds for challenge level group content? For that matter even regular group content?
You kick complaint is about challenge level content. Every mmo that has roles and challenge level content has this attribute. In every mmo with cookie cutter / fotm builds I've played you could do it differently if you build your own group with friends/guildies.
I suppose you're right in the sense that ANY game that has "build freedom" ends up requiring FOTM or something close to it in order to be successful at the highest levels.
It's just so much more disappointing in ESO because it's not just a matter of what skills or what rotation are being used but it goes deeper than that all the way to weapon/playstyles. The min/maxed builds that can compete in high end content make it so that you end up with a bunch of clones while. Stamina DPS? Doesn't matter what class, race, whatever: DW/Bow is the answer, anything else is considered gimp. Healing? Better have a Templar. Tanking? DK. What's the point in all the choices if you can't build more than one way and be successful in endgame content? Might as well streamline everything like most other MMOs at that point. The choices have already been made for you.
It wasn't always that way. It has become progressively more and more about the meta as the game aged... just like all other MMOs at the highest competitive levels. And it's not just open spec games that suffer from this. Even totally class-locked games like WOW and GW2 have their own metas that are required for the highest levels of content.
It's also still not that way for casual players who just solo quest and do occasional normal mode dungeons. The build flexibility for those not obsessing about "the best" is far greater. There are tons of "good enough" builds they can use. And this is probably 90% + of the players.
There is also a lot more build flexibility in PVP - not 1v1 duels but the real thing. ESO's PVP is all about groups not individuals. Groups with the right make up, the right leadership and the right siege weapons are a lot more important than any one individual meta.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
Help me out then. What mmos don't require fotm builds for challenge level group content? For that matter even regular group content?
You kick complaint is about challenge level content. Every mmo that has roles and challenge level content has this attribute. In every mmo with cookie cutter / fotm builds I've played you could do it differently if you build your own group with friends/guildies.
I suppose you're right in the sense that ANY game that has "build freedom" ends up requiring FOTM or something close to it in order to be successful at the highest levels.
It's just so much more disappointing in ESO because it's not just a matter of what skills or what rotation are being used but it goes deeper than that all the way to weapon/playstyles. The min/maxed builds that can compete in high end content make it so that you end up with a bunch of clones while. Stamina DPS? Doesn't matter what class, race, whatever: DW/Bow is the answer, anything else is considered gimp. Healing? Better have a Templar. Tanking? DK. What's the point in all the choices if you can't build more than one way and be successful in endgame content? Might as well streamline everything like most other MMOs at that point. The choices have already been made for you.
It wasn't always that way. It has become progressively more and more about the meta as the game aged... just like all other MMOs at the highest competitive levels. And it's not just open spec games that suffer from this. Even totally class-locked games like WOW and GW2 have their own metas that are required for the highest levels of content.
It's also still not that way for casual players who just solo quest and do occasional normal mode dungeons. The build flexibility for those not obsessing about "the best" is far greater. There are tons of "good enough" builds they can use. And this is probably 90% + of the players.
There is also a lot more build flexibility in PVP - not 1v1 duels but the real thing. ESO's PVP is all about groups not individuals. Groups with the right make up, the right leadership and the right siege weapons are a lot more important than any one individual meta.
I would say that in games like WoW or FFXIV there are definitely "Best group comp for the content", but you can still be successful without having to have that. You're not going to get kicked from a group in FFXIV because a Paladin maybe does X content slightly better than a Dark Knight for tanking. There are no classes that are considered pointless or gimp in any content, only comps that are better suited for them.
Even with Wildstar where there is the possibility for build flexibility you don't have to change your core playstyle to raid.
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
Help me out then. What mmos don't require fotm builds for challenge level group content? For that matter even regular group content?
You kick complaint is about challenge level content. Every mmo that has roles and challenge level content has this attribute. In every mmo with cookie cutter / fotm builds I've played you could do it differently if you build your own group with friends/guildies.
I suppose you're right in the sense that ANY game that has "build freedom" ends up requiring FOTM or something close to it in order to be successful at the highest levels.
It's just so much more disappointing in ESO because it's not just a matter of what skills or what rotation are being used but it goes deeper than that all the way to weapon/playstyles. The min/maxed builds that can compete in high end content make it so that you end up with a bunch of clones while. Stamina DPS? Doesn't matter what class, race, whatever: DW/Bow is the answer, anything else is considered gimp. Healing? Better have a Templar. Tanking? DK. What's the point in all the choices if you can't build more than one way and be successful in endgame content? Might as well streamline everything like most other MMOs at that point. The choices have already been made for you.
It wasn't always that way. It has become progressively more and more about the meta as the game aged... just like all other MMOs at the highest competitive levels. And it's not just open spec games that suffer from this. Even totally class-locked games like WOW and GW2 have their own metas that are required for the highest levels of content.
It's also still not that way for casual players who just solo quest and do occasional normal mode dungeons. The build flexibility for those not obsessing about "the best" is far greater. There are tons of "good enough" builds they can use. And this is probably 90% + of the players.
There is also a lot more build flexibility in PVP - not 1v1 duels but the real thing. ESO's PVP is all about groups not individuals. Groups with the right make up, the right leadership and the right siege weapons are a lot more important than any one individual meta.
I would say that in games like WoW or FFXIV there are definitely "Best group comp for the content", but you can still be successful without having to have that. You're not going to get kicked from a group in FFXIV because a Paladin maybe does X content slightly better than a Dark Knight for tanking. There are no classes that are considered pointless or gimp in any content, only comps that are better suited for them.
Even with Wildstar where there is the possibility for build flexibility you don't have to change your core playstyle to raid.
Did you read the article and thread about whether healers in FFXIV should or shouldn't also DPS? If not you should have a look at it.
In ESO even something like my Stamsorc meta build (which wasn't even the meta when I first "discovered" it back in June last year) is not wanted in the highest end vet raids. It's all about magicka DPS there. No one doing competitive raids for the scoreboard gives a crap that Stamsorcs are the top of the top when it comes to clearing veteran Malestrom. They're THE meta there but not in trials.
The thing is that thanks to Twitch and YT players who don't even do vet trials or have set foot in Maelstrom Arena, embrace the meta builds as the only ones worth having, often with no clue why it's even the meta. They then take what they think they know and apply it to even normal 4-man PUGs and become toxic asshats toward anyone they see not following the fotm, ridiculing and even kicking them from groups.
It's a social media MMO disease and why in ESO, PVE groups are far more toxic than any PVP in Cyrodiil.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
It says play what you want but in the end fotm builds
Only if you're a lemming.
lemming: A member of a crowd with no originality or voice of his own. One who speaks or repeats only what he has been told.
Only if you wanna play in groups and be competitive. When I played, I played a DK healer. I did a good job and I liked it but needed to prove myself countless times and most of the time it was sorry we need a templar (stamina battery) healer... Tried sorc with the new patch back than with the pet who does a kind of bol heal same thing... Even in the guild for trails, sorry you can go dps dk fire was good back than no idea now.
qq lol
Yep. If it weren't for this I would be playing right now. I subbed for a month to give the new changes a try but yeah, it's still the same fotm or gtfo bullshit.
So do you just not play mmos or do you put up with fotm in them but not this one and why?
Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
Help me out then. What mmos don't require fotm builds for challenge level group content? For that matter even regular group content?
You kick complaint is about challenge level content. Every mmo that has roles and challenge level content has this attribute. In every mmo with cookie cutter / fotm builds I've played you could do it differently if you build your own group with friends/guildies.
I suppose you're right in the sense that ANY game that has "build freedom" ends up requiring FOTM or something close to it in order to be successful at the highest levels.
It's just so much more disappointing in ESO because it's not just a matter of what skills or what rotation are being used but it goes deeper than that all the way to weapon/playstyles. The min/maxed builds that can compete in high end content make it so that you end up with a bunch of clones while. Stamina DPS? Doesn't matter what class, race, whatever: DW/Bow is the answer, anything else is considered gimp. Healing? Better have a Templar. Tanking? DK. What's the point in all the choices if you can't build more than one way and be successful in endgame content? Might as well streamline everything like most other MMOs at that point. The choices have already been made for you.
It wasn't always that way. It has become progressively more and more about the meta as the game aged... just like all other MMOs at the highest competitive levels. And it's not just open spec games that suffer from this. Even totally class-locked games like WOW and GW2 have their own metas that are required for the highest levels of content.
It's also still not that way for casual players who just solo quest and do occasional normal mode dungeons. The build flexibility for those not obsessing about "the best" is far greater. There are tons of "good enough" builds they can use. And this is probably 90% + of the players.
There is also a lot more build flexibility in PVP - not 1v1 duels but the real thing. ESO's PVP is all about groups not individuals. Groups with the right make up, the right leadership and the right siege weapons are a lot more important than any one individual meta.
I would say that in games like WoW or FFXIV there are definitely "Best group comp for the content", but you can still be successful without having to have that. You're not going to get kicked from a group in FFXIV because a Paladin maybe does X content slightly better than a Dark Knight for tanking. There are no classes that are considered pointless or gimp in any content, only comps that are better suited for them.
Even with Wildstar where there is the possibility for build flexibility you don't have to change your core playstyle to raid.
Did you read the article and thread about whether healers in FFXIV should or shouldn't also DPS? If not you should have a look at it.
In ESO even something like my Stamsorc meta build (which wasn't even the meta when I first "discovered" it back in June last year) is not wanted in the highest end vet raids. It's all about magicka DPS there. No one doing competitive raids for the scoreboard gives a crap that Stamsorcs are the top of the top when it comes to clearing veteran Malestrom. They're THE meta there but not in trials.
The thing is that thanks to Twitch and YT players who don't even do vet trials or have set foot in Maelstrom Arena, embrace the meta builds as the only ones worth having, often with no clue why it's even the meta. They then take what they think they know and apply it to even normal 4-man PUGs and become toxic asshats toward anyone they see not following the fotm, ridiculing and even kicking them from groups.
It's a social media MMO disease and why in ESO, PVE groups are far more toxic than any PVP in Cyrodiil.
The FFXIV thing is about using what is already given to you, whether you use it or not. You don't select or use skill points to acquire DPS/DoT spells, they come with your levels. Not using them (providing you already know you can handle the heals) is just logically dumb. You don't have to go out of your way to obtain these spells, and they do not change your playstyle at all. Your weapon, your ranges, all of that is pre-determined. There is no need to "build" anything, only utilize what is given to you. If you don't like the way that particular class plays you just play a different class and everything changes. In ESO so much is based on weapons that no matter what class you are (as previously mentioned) as a Stam DPS it's DW/Bow. There is no getting around that.
I preordered this puppy, finally my two biggest loves meet, ES and MMO's it doesn't get any better than this, then came the record scratch moment after logging in at launch. Houston we have a problem.
I tried to make it work for a couple months but... IT SUCKED HUGE!!! 3 years later update 12 (ESO 2.0) the game got good and i'm playing the crap out of it.
Feeling a little overwhelmed kinda being away for 3 years and basically only played in Stonefalls, Deshaan, and barely dented Shadowfen. I came back to a world i want to devour, so much content, so much cool DLC, so much to explore and do.
Yep this is too much for one character to handle as i want to do it all right now, so i came up with something that works really well for me. Dedicated toons, My original character (NB) is an explorer taking the odd side quest, scouting out the world. My new Sorc picks a zone and soaks in all the lore and quests, the story of that that zone. My new Templar, does strictly Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content. My new DK (TBA) getting the feel of it atm.
This way i satisfy whatever mood i'm in when i play. I gather on all and picked one craft for each. When Morrowind comes i'll most likely go in fresh with a warden.
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I guess some people need validation from others to justify they made the right decision. Weak.
I am one of the people who came back when they got rid of "zone restrictions". That was my only gripe in the game at launch, and it was the thing that made it feel LESS like ES imo.. but they have long since fixed that issue and myself and many others are enjoying the "ES but Online" game it is today.
Well, it sounds to me like you feel you need to validate why you weren't playing it before, and why it felt less like an ES game to you. I don't know why you think everyone else has to know why you didn't play or how you felt about it back at launch. You didn't want to play it back then, so you didn't. No one was forcing you to.
See? Your "logic" can just as easily be turned back on you. I also hope you caught the irony of your post. After bashing and dismissing people's comments on why they aren't playing ESO, you turn around and explain why you weren't playing it previously. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. But then, maybe self-awareness isn't one of your strong points.
Their reasons for not playing now are just as valid as yours were for not playing before. They're here discussing those reasons. If you don't like the thread, don't read it. No one's forcing you to.
I wonder if you posted over on the "Why do you play ESO" thread, criticizing them as "needing validation for why they play"? Maybe suggesting that no one's forcing them to?
Lord knows I have tried to get into this game, for whatever reason I just can't. It just doesn't feel right as an MMO. I hate the multiple guilds thing and the megaserver, just destroys any sense of MMO community possible. The gameplay just still feels clunky to me.
Lord knows I have tried to get into this game, for whatever reason I just can't. It just doesn't feel right as an MMO. I hate the multiple guilds thing and the megaserver, just destroys any sense of MMO community possible. The gameplay just still feels clunky to me.
I've said it before welcome to the last 3 years of my life, i simply could not get this game to click for me no matter how much i tried.
Update 12 was a huge help and was simply another reason to look at it again, but maybe it's because i went in this time with zero hope? This time I didn't look at it and expect it to be ES, nor an mmorpg, at this time i was also trying to make swtor work, and was giving swtor way more attention... then slowly over time i noticed i was exploring this world more and more until it became all i was playing so canceled all my subs and literally only play this, and i can't wait to get on and play the chit out of it everyday, there is so much to do, so much cool content, so much to explore.
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The game feels like Elder Scrolls to me, it has it's up and downs. The only thing that does bother me and a lot of others is when on a quest and have to kill quest guy, yet when you get close and someone else fights and kills him you get credit, yet never even hit him once!
It kills the whole point of the game for me. One day I hope they fix it and make dungeons more instanced!
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I love all things Elder Scrolls, but since ESO has the absolute worst combat I have ever experienced, I lasted all of about 2 days. God, those animations......I still have bad dreams.
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There are a lot of different little "stories" that happen in many of their dungeons/caves/tombs. I haven't really found that to be true in Elder Scrolls Online. There seems more care in the construction of each "dungeon" in the single player games.
All I know is that I log into Elder Scrolls Online, maybe wander a bit, do a dungeon or quest and then log off and play hours in any one of the single player games. So for me there is obviously something different.
I am looking forward to seeing what they do for the Morrowind Expansion.
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I didn't play SWTOR initially for the same reason. I had pre-ordered it, but they effed up my account and wouldn't let me back in and their solution was to have me scan and email a copy of a piece of photo ID to them (which makes very little sense to me). This was in beta, btw, like early access 3 days before launch. It was such a flawed system. I'm glad they fixed it, though. However, as far as first impressions go, I was not happy.
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Fotm is not a requirement in other games, in ESO you will literally be removed from a trial group if you are not running fotm.
I'm not sure of how I'm proving her point. I'm not saying she is wrong for not liking ESO, I'm saying her reasoning is off.. she said it doesn't feel like Elder Scrolls, I'm just pointing out the things that it does that Elder Scrolls SP does also
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Its not as if somebody told you couldn't play it. Its not for everybody right, so its cool if you don't want to play it.. there are a ton of other games. I think ESO is getting more and more popular because people are looking for something different. Sort of reminds me of what happened to WoW (not to make an argument about wow vs ESO) but as far as timing? ESO came out at the perfect time and made the right adjustments so far. All the people who DON'T play it, are wondering why so many people are actually enjoying "ESO 2.0"
I am one of the people who came back when they got rid of "zone restrictions". That was my only gripe in the game at launch, and it was the thing that made it feel LESS like ES imo.. but they have long since fixed that issue and myself and many others are enjoying the "ES but Online" game it is today.
If I had a complaint it would be the PVP imbalance but that's in every MMO ever and they have taken steps to try to improve it, its just hard because of all the different builds people come up with.
The fact they they update in a good pace is a bonus. +10 to confidence in ZO
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Don't want to grind for the XP either? Just turn off quest markers and go explore wherever you want.
There is no need in ESO to EVER do any quest other than the tutorial... and even that only on your first character - the tutorial can be skipped for any subsequent characters.
That differentiation between the SP games and ESO is a red herring.
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"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
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It's just so much more disappointing in ESO because it's not just a matter of what skills or what rotation are being used but it goes deeper than that all the way to weapon/playstyles. The min/maxed builds that can compete in high end content make it so that you end up with a bunch of clones while. Stamina DPS? Doesn't matter what class, race, whatever: DW/Bow is the answer, anything else is considered gimp. Healing? Better have a Templar. Tanking? DK.
What's the point in all the choices if you can't build more than one way and be successful in endgame content? Might as well streamline everything like most other MMOs at that point. The choices have already been made for you.
Edit: Suppose it depends on the player too. Raiding is probably my favorite part of an MMO and I feel like build diversity is lacking sorely in them.
It's also still not that way for casual players who just solo quest and do occasional normal mode dungeons. The build flexibility for those not obsessing about "the best" is far greater. There are tons of "good enough" builds they can use. And this is probably 90% + of the players.
There is also a lot more build flexibility in PVP - not 1v1 duels but the real thing. ESO's PVP is all about groups not individuals. Groups with the right make up, the right leadership and the right siege weapons are a lot more important than any one individual meta.
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I would say that in games like WoW or FFXIV there are definitely "Best group comp for the content", but you can still be successful without having to have that. You're not going to get kicked from a group in FFXIV because a Paladin maybe does X content slightly better than a Dark Knight for tanking. There are no classes that are considered pointless or gimp in any content, only comps that are better suited for them.
Even with Wildstar where there is the possibility for build flexibility you don't have to change your core playstyle to raid.
In ESO even something like my Stamsorc meta build (which wasn't even the meta when I first "discovered" it back in June last year) is not wanted in the highest end vet raids. It's all about magicka DPS there. No one doing competitive raids for the scoreboard gives a crap that Stamsorcs are the top of the top when it comes to clearing veteran Malestrom. They're THE meta there but not in trials.
The thing is that thanks to Twitch and YT players who don't even do vet trials or have set foot in Maelstrom Arena, embrace the meta builds as the only ones worth having, often with no clue why it's even the meta. They then take what they think they know and apply it to even normal 4-man PUGs and become toxic asshats toward anyone they see not following the fotm, ridiculing and even kicking them from groups.
It's a social media MMO disease and why in ESO, PVE groups are far more toxic than any PVP in Cyrodiil.
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The FFXIV thing is about using what is already given to you, whether you use it or not. You don't select or use skill points to acquire DPS/DoT spells, they come with your levels. Not using them (providing you already know you can handle the heals) is just logically dumb.
You don't have to go out of your way to obtain these spells, and they do not change your playstyle at all. Your weapon, your ranges, all of that is pre-determined. There is no need to "build" anything, only utilize what is given to you. If you don't like the way that particular class plays you just play a different class and everything changes. In ESO so much is based on weapons that no matter what class you are (as previously mentioned) as a Stam DPS it's DW/Bow. There is no getting around that.
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I preordered this puppy, finally my two biggest loves meet, ES and MMO's it doesn't get any better than this, then came the record scratch moment after logging in at launch. Houston we have a problem.
I tried to make it work for a couple months but... IT SUCKED HUGE!!! 3 years later update 12 (ESO 2.0) the game got good and i'm playing the crap out of it.
Feeling a little overwhelmed kinda being away for 3 years and basically only played in Stonefalls, Deshaan, and barely dented Shadowfen. I came back to a world i want to devour, so much content, so much cool DLC, so much to explore and do.
Yep this is too much for one character to handle as i want to do it all right now, so i came up with something that works really well for me. Dedicated toons, My original character (NB) is an explorer taking the odd side quest, scouting out the world. My new Sorc picks a zone and soaks in all the lore and quests, the story of that that zone. My new Templar, does strictly Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content. My new DK (TBA) getting the feel of it atm.
This way i satisfy whatever mood i'm in when i play. I gather on all and picked one craft for each. When Morrowind comes i'll most likely go in fresh with a warden.
See? Your "logic" can just as easily be turned back on you. I also hope you caught the irony of your post. After bashing and dismissing people's comments on why they aren't playing ESO, you turn around and explain why you weren't playing it previously. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. But then, maybe self-awareness isn't one of your strong points.
Their reasons for not playing now are just as valid as yours were for not playing before. They're here discussing those reasons. If you don't like the thread, don't read it. No one's forcing you to.
I wonder if you posted over on the "Why do you play ESO" thread, criticizing them as "needing validation for why they play"? Maybe suggesting that no one's forcing them to?
Update 12 was a huge help and was simply another reason to look at it again, but maybe it's because i went in this time with zero hope?
This time I didn't look at it and expect it to be ES, nor an mmorpg, at this time i was also trying to make swtor work, and was giving swtor way more attention... then slowly over time i noticed i was exploring this world more and more until it became all i was playing so canceled all my subs and literally only play this, and i can't wait to get on and play the chit out of it everyday, there is so much to do, so much cool content, so much to explore.
It kills the whole point of the game for me. One day I hope they fix it and make dungeons more instanced!
― George Carlin