Laptop for MMORPGs

Hoolygan

Hello ! 

I want to buy a new laptop for gaming ( mostly MMORPGs ) and I don't know what to choose. 

I'm going to present you 2 variants, please advice: 

1) i7 6700 HQ + 1060 6 GB 
2) i7 7700 HQ + 1050 TI 4 GB

The first one is 250 $ more expensive and I'm on a kinda tight budget, but I'll pay if the mmorpgs like black desert online, revelation, etc will require it. I don't want to pay more if it's not necessary, so can you please tell me what to buy ? Does the new MMORPGs require that much graphical power? Or the CPU is the most stressed because it has to load maps,characters,mobs,npcs and so on? 
Please note that I would like to use the laptop for about 3 years - maybe 4. I believe after 2 years or so with the 1050 TI I'll play everything on medium settings and with 1060 on high, but I'm not that spoiled, medium is fine. Also, I'll play on a FHD screen, but if it requires to reduce the resolution to HD after some time won't be an issue.

Thanks a lot, really need your experience !

Phry

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

Hoolygan

The laptops are sold by the same distributor in my country ( Clevo - I believe they are produced by Sager, but sold here under Clevo branding ) :
https://tekadvice.ro/clevo-n850.html
https://tekadvice.ro/clevo-p650-se.html

They are configurable, but for the first one I want to get the I7 7700 HQ + 1050 TI and for the second, i7 6700 HQ with 1060. 
Other than that, both come with 8 gb of DDR4 2133mhz hyperX, 240 GB 2.5" SSD ( m.2 slot also available ) and the more expensive one has another 2.5 " slot. Display is FHD IPS on both,but the one with 6700 hq ( the more expensive one ) has G-Sync display.
The Chipset:
Mobile Intel® HM170 Express Chipset for GTX 1060 laptop
Mobile Intel® HM175 Express Chipset for 1050 TI laptop. 
Both have Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260 
The one with GTX 1060 has better connectivity, but that's to be expected, you can find the ports in the links provided, even if the website is in romanian language, the name for components are the same. 
I plan on upgrading the ram to 16 gb, but in a couple of months, they are pretty expensive for me and it's a big effort to get one of them ( talking about laptops ) as I just graduated and got my first job( 3 months ago ), parents don't support me anymore with those kind of things. Also, I'll buy another SSD ( depending which one I buy,an m.2 or 2.5" as it's cheaper and don't want to work with old hard disks) 
BTW, it's going to be a big difference between 6700 hq and 7700 hq ? From what I searched, it's no more than 10 % in best case scenario. 
I didn't expected mmorpgs to be so demanding ... I mean with GTX 1050 TI you can play most of AAA titles on FHD with high settings (HW off) ... 

Thanks ! 

PS : Currency in our country ( Romania ) is RON, if you want to convert it to Euro or USD.

Ozmodan

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

Huh, I have a 960 and run most games on high settings, including Black Desert.

I would definite try to get the 1060 version of the laptop if you want to run games on it for 3 or 4 years.

centkin

1060 >>> 1050 TI.

Kyleran

Been my experience in buying laptops over the past 12 years (my current one is a Sager)  is I need to spend around $2500 US (11,600 RON) in order for it to play all games well for a period of about 3 years.

I recently took a look at the Sager US site and the laptop which seemed to have the latest in graphic tech which I'd want was running about $2900 US (12,300 RON)

Hoolygan

Ozmodan said:

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

Huh, I have a 960 and run most games on high settings, including Black Desert.

I would definite try to get the 1060 version of the laptop if you want to run games on it for 3 or 4 years.

So, technically, 1050 TI would be enough ? Let's say I reduce the period for 2 years, then I don't really care what's going to happen. What do you think ? 

centkin said:

1060 >>> 1050 TI.

I know that, but I'm trying to reduce the costs as much as possible. I don't want to pay extra if I'm not going to need it. 

It would be really helpful if someone owns something with those GPUs and can tell from personal experience. All you can find on YT are not MMORPGS,but AAA games, there's no content regarding system requirements for MMORPGs , advice and so on.

Kyleran said:

Been my experience in buying laptops over the past 12 years (my current one is a Sager)  is I need to spend around $2500 US (11,600 RON) in order for it to play all games well for a period of about 3 years.

I recently took a look at the Sager US site and the laptop which seemed to have the latest in graphic tech which I'd want was running about $2900 US (12,300 RON)

That doesn't help me very much, but thanks for posting. 

Please continue guys, I need all the help I can get.

Best regards ! 

centkin

I own a 1060 and have since release day -- it is quite nice.  Oh and one other thing -- the one you linked had the 6 GB memory (which is the better one)...  Think of it as an extra step up because you aren't comparing it with the 1060 3GB.

You can ignore our advice but given the choice between 1050TI and 1060 6gb -- the latter is worth the price of admission.  You will love the latter and not be nearly as pleased with the former -- today and tomorrow.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3639vs3649

That might help also ^

Kyleran

Hoolygan said:

Kyleran said:

Been my experience in buying laptops over the past 12 years (my current one is a Sager)  is I need to spend around $2500 US (11,600 RON) in order for it to play all games well for a period of about 3 years.

I recently took a look at the Sager US site and the laptop which seemed to have the latest in graphic tech which I'd want was running about $2900 US (12,300 RON)

That doesn't help me very much, but thanks for posting. 

Sure it does, tells you to plan on buying a better laptop instead of the two you are considering.

Or go with a desktop which will give you far more power for the same money.

Gaming on a laptop isn't for those on a tight budget. (unless of course you are willing to accept sub par performance.)

Buy the best one you can afford then.

Loke666

Kyleran said:

Been my experience in buying laptops over the past 12 years (my current one is a Sager)  is I need to spend around $2500 US (11,600 RON) in order for it to play all games well for a period of about 3 years.

I recently took a look at the Sager US site and the laptop which seemed to have the latest in graphic tech which I'd want was running about $2900 US (12,300 RON)

You could probably save a few hundreds bucks by finding the laptop in the right store but that is basically true.

A $1000 desktop and a $2500 laptop are not that different in performance. Many people actually buy a desktop and a cheaper laptop for mobile use and play the less demanding games when they are away from home, it is still cheaper then a single gaming laptop.

Now, if you don't have a steady home or generally bring your computer and plays at your friends places a gaming laptop is worth it. In that case, focus on getting one with as good GFX card as possible and a SSD.

Otherwise get a good desktop and a cheap or pre-owned laptop for your mobile needs, it will give you far more bang for your buck.

Hoolygan

I don't want to buy a desktop. I take my laptop at work constantly, and when I have night shifts or weekend days there isn't always much work and I can play. Also, I still live in a dorm, so from time to time I go to my hometown, and that means I have free time, so a desktop wouldn't be very helpful.

I know that with those money I could build a better desktop, but I think GTX 1060 is the value king for FHD gaming. And if I have to pay 300-500 $ more for portability, I'm doing it. 

Well, if someone has a personal experience with 1050 TI ( or 970m as they're similar ) would be very helpful, if someone played some demanding mmorpgs and wants to share his / her experience...otherwise, I don't think there's much to add, most of the things've been covered. 
Thanks ! 

Lasterba

Unlike desktops there is no way to value engineer this.  If you want gaming power on a laptop you just have to spend more money.  The more you spend the better it will be...no way around it.

Quizzical

Let's back up a bit.  Why are you looking to buy a gaming laptop rather than a gaming desktop?  There are legitimate reasons to get a gaming laptop, but a lot of the people who think they want one shouldn't.  If you travel a lot and want to play games in hotel rooms, then yeah, you get a gaming laptop.

But just because you need both a portable laptop and a gaming computer doesn't mean that they need to be the same device.  I need both a microwave and a refrigerator, but that doesn't mean I need a single appliance with the functions of both.  For the price of a single gaming laptop, you can often buy both a gaming desktop that outperforms the gaming laptop and also a small, lower end laptop that is far more portable than the gaming laptop, and sometimes still have money left over.

Forgrimm

Quizzical said:

Let's back up a bit.  Why are you looking to buy a gaming laptop rather than a gaming desktop? 

I don't want to buy a desktop. I take my laptop at work constantly, and when I have night shifts or weekend days there isn't always much work and I can play. Also, I still live in a dorm, so from time to time I go to my hometown, and that means I have free time, so a desktop wouldn't be very helpful.
Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/461120/laptop-for-mmorpgs#H82Qj1dv9xSoXh6z.99

filmoret

Ozmodan said:

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

Huh, I have a 960 and run most games on high settings, including Black Desert.

I would definite try to get the 1060 version of the laptop if you want to run games on it for 3 or 4 years.

You do not have a laptop with a 960 running black desert on high settings.  A desktop yes but not a laptop.

The 1050 TI will work.  You will be able to comfortably run Black Desert on high settings.  Probably not ultra.  If you want ultra settings then get the 1060.

filmoret

Of course there is always the people who think you are completely clueless and suggest a desktop.

Ridelynn

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

I agree with Phry, more or less.

Of the two you have chosen, the 1060 will be much better at 1080. But do recall that depending on if it's the 3G or 6G version, those two perform differently despite both being sold as 1060. The 1050Ti, especially in a laptop form factor, isn't going to get what your looking for I don't think. 

Since these are in a laptop, don't expect them to get quite the same performance as the desktop versions of the GPU, as there will be additional thermal and power constraints. A 1060 (6G) is a nice card for FHD and can max quite a few things on a desktop, the 3G card is not bad, but you aren't maxing most titles with that one. In a laptop, you'd probably be pretty comfortable on Med-High settings in most everything at 1080p though. 1050Ti may require you to drop the resolution in some of those titles. And I'm talking about today's titles, not titles 3 years from now.

There is very little difference in the CPUs, and you haven't really posted any of the other specs, which do matter. For instance, an SSD is critical, in my opinion.

filmoret

filmoret said:

Ozmodan said:

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

Huh, I have a 960 and run most games on high settings, including Black Desert.

I would definite try to get the 1060 version of the laptop if you want to run games on it for 3 or 4 years.

You do not have a laptop with a 960 running black desert on high settings.  A desktop yes but not a laptop.

The 1050 TI will work.  You will be able to comfortably run Black Desert on high settings.  Probably not ultra.  If you want ultra settings then get the 1060.

The 1050 TI is equal to the 960 that Ozmodan has running BDO on high settings.   The 1060 is more future proof and a better choice by far but yes the 1050 TI can handle what you want for quite a few years to come as well.

ZoeMcCloskey

I have i7-4700 2.4GHz, GTX 765M, 16gb ram, win 10.  I can run everything on high or near it fine.  So what you are looking at should be fine as the 1060 goes at least.  I just tried BDO for a couple days but was running it just fine too.

Just offering for comparison sake if nothing else.

filmoret

Ridelynn said:

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

I agree with Phry, more or less.

Of the two you have chosen, the 1060 will be much better at 1080. But do recall that depending on if it's the 3G or 6G version, those two perform differently despite both being sold as 1060. The 1050Ti, especially in a laptop form factor, isn't going to get what your looking for I don't think. 

Since these are in a laptop, don't expect them to get quite the same performance as the desktop versions of the GPU, as there will be additional thermal and power constraints. A 1060 (6G) is a nice card for FHD and can max quite a few things on a desktop, the 3G card is not bad, but you aren't maxing most titles with that one. In a laptop, you'd probably be pretty comfortable on Med-High settings in most everything at 1080p though. 1050Ti may require you to drop the resolution in some of those titles. And I'm talking about today's titles, not titles 3 years from now.

There is very little difference in the CPUs, and you haven't really posted any of the other specs, which do matter. For instance, an SSD is critical, in my opinion.

The laptop GTX 10 series is equal in performance to the desktop.  I guess you dont remember having that conversation a few weeks ago and the main reason i was impressed with them for taking total controll of the gaming laptop market.  Of course you'd rather just say I'm a hater and don't read anything.  Not even realizing how game changing that is.  The 900 series was a fraction of power as their desktop versions.

http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/460305/nvidia-takes-laptop-graphics-with-huge-lead/p1

Ridelynn

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

I agree with Phry, more or less.

Of the two you have chosen, the 1060 will be much better at 1080. But do recall that depending on if it's the 3G or 6G version, those two perform differently despite both being sold as 1060. The 1050Ti, especially in a laptop form factor, isn't going to get what your looking for I don't think. 

Since these are in a laptop, don't expect them to get quite the same performance as the desktop versions of the GPU, as there will be additional thermal and power constraints. A 1060 (6G) is a nice card for FHD and can max quite a few things on a desktop, the 3G card is not bad, but you aren't maxing most titles with that one. In a laptop, you'd probably be pretty comfortable on Med-High settings in most everything at 1080p though. 1050Ti may require you to drop the resolution in some of those titles. And I'm talking about today's titles, not titles 3 years from now.

There is very little difference in the CPUs, and you haven't really posted any of the other specs, which do matter. For instance, an SSD is critical, in my opinion.

The laptop GTX 10 series is equal in performance to the desktop.  I guess you dont remember having that conversation a few weeks ago and the main reason i was impressed with them for taking total controll of the gaming laptop market.  Of course you'd rather just say I'm a hater and don't read anything.  Not even realizing how game changing that is.  The 900 series was a fraction of power as their desktop versions.

http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/460305/nvidia-takes-laptop-graphics-with-huge-lead/p1

/sigh

filmoret

Ridelynn said:

filmoret said:

Ridelynn said:

Phry said:

I wouldn't bother with the second option when it comes to black desert, you'd have to run the game on medium/low settings, a 1060 should run the game reasonably well on medium settings, but it depends a lot on how much and what type, of RAM you also have, 16gb of DDR4 would likely help a lot as would a decent sized SSD.
For better advice you really need to post the Laptops full spec's

I agree with Phry, more or less.

Of the two you have chosen, the 1060 will be much better at 1080. But do recall that depending on if it's the 3G or 6G version, those two perform differently despite both being sold as 1060. The 1050Ti, especially in a laptop form factor, isn't going to get what your looking for I don't think. 

Since these are in a laptop, don't expect them to get quite the same performance as the desktop versions of the GPU, as there will be additional thermal and power constraints. A 1060 (6G) is a nice card for FHD and can max quite a few things on a desktop, the 3G card is not bad, but you aren't maxing most titles with that one. In a laptop, you'd probably be pretty comfortable on Med-High settings in most everything at 1080p though. 1050Ti may require you to drop the resolution in some of those titles. And I'm talking about today's titles, not titles 3 years from now.

There is very little difference in the CPUs, and you haven't really posted any of the other specs, which do matter. For instance, an SSD is critical, in my opinion.

The laptop GTX 10 series is equal in performance to the desktop.  I guess you dont remember having that conversation a few weeks ago and the main reason i was impressed with them for taking total controll of the gaming laptop market.  Of course you'd rather just say I'm a hater and don't read anything.  Not even realizing how game changing that is.  The 900 series was a fraction of power as their desktop versions.

http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/460305/nvidia-takes-laptop-graphics-with-huge-lead/p1

/sigh

Honestly I don't know why I even bother.  I mean really you cannot see something this simple?  Before the 10 series all laptop GPU's were severely inferior to their Desktop counterparts.  Examples.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=3114&cmp[]=3176

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=3295&cmp[]=3171

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2953&cmp[]=2976

If you notice the GTX 980 laptop card is equal to the gtx 950 desktop.  Meanwhile its only about half as good as the GTX 980 desktop.  Its always been this way untill recently when Nvidia launched the 10 series in laptops.  Now they actually perform about the same.  The theory that laptop cards are inferior to desktops is no longer true with the current generation of nvidia cards.  Rumor is that AMD is doing the same thing but they have yet to produce anything so we don't have proof they accomplished it.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3154098/computers/nvidias-geforce-gtx-1050-and-1050-ti-graphics-cards-bring-desktop-level-gaming-to-laptops.html

Quizzical

Forgrimm said:

Quizzical said:

Let's back up a bit.  Why are you looking to buy a gaming laptop rather than a gaming desktop? 

I don't want to buy a desktop. I take my laptop at work constantly, and when I have night shifts or weekend days there isn't always much work and I can play. Also, I still live in a dorm, so from time to time I go to my hometown, and that means I have free time, so a desktop wouldn't be very helpful.
Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/461120/laptop-for-mmorpgs#H82Qj1dv9xSoXh6z.99

This is a race condition problem.  The post you quote was posted while I was typing mine, so I didn't see it until later.

Quizzical

Hoolygan said:

I don't want to buy a desktop. I take my laptop at work constantly, and when I have night shifts or weekend days there isn't always much work and I can play. Also, I still live in a dorm, so from time to time I go to my hometown, and that means I have free time, so a desktop wouldn't be very helpful.

I know that with those money I could build a better desktop, but I think GTX 1060 is the value king for FHD gaming. And if I have to pay 300-500 $ more for portability, I'm doing it. 

Well, if someone has a personal experience with 1050 TI ( or 970m as they're similar ) would be very helpful, if someone played some demanding mmorpgs and wants to share his / her experience...otherwise, I don't think there's much to add, most of the things've been covered. 
Thanks ! 

It's not just that you pay more for the laptop.  You also get something more likely to break and less practical to repair if it does.  And horrible ergonomics and a tiny monitor that is awkward to use.  But if you need portability, you need it, and you put up with sacrificing everything else for it.

It's really just a question of what you're willing to pay.  A GTX 1060 is faster than a GTX 1050 Ti, and also more expensive.  It will also put out more heat, which is a major issue in gaming laptops.  A reasonable person could go either way.

Hoolygan

Let's not turn this topic in a PC vs Laptop discussion. It's clear that I really need a good laptop, no other way around. I asked the guys from the clevo online store for a video of the laptop, and they sent me this:

Seems pretty accurate. What do you think ? 

Bukkerz

I bought my son a Dell Inspiron last year with the 6700 chipset and a 960 card  with a 15" screen and it runs WOW, The Division, EVE and For Honor perfectly and beautifully and the 1060 is going to be way quicker than this. .... you will have no problem with Black Desert either ......obviously anybody with a Laptop is unlikely to put settings on maximum and probably doesn't really need to when viewing a smaller screen than you would with a desktop.

I myself also play on a Laptop and have an Alienware with a 980m with a 17" screen so have been able to make direct comparisons and in fact actually link up with my son 180 miles away for seamless teamwork .....albeit I am not that impressive as a agent of death with my Viking Raider as I would have hoped hehehe. ...

So ....go for option one definitely and you will be very pleased ....I would imagine that the graphics card in option 2 will certainly cause you concern and rage hehehe

all the best  and hope this helps you in some way .....