Originally posted by Supernerd What if she always calls you hun? hun this hun that hey hun i really hate that! and talks about how much she wants a "hubby" and starts dancing then blows kisses cause she wants free stuff it just ruins everything
Supernerd,you're just a stereotyping sexist retard so just stfu.
ok Supernerd I just have to respond to your stupidity. I am a female and I have had a computer in my house since 1978. I have played tons of online games starting with UO and most other titles.
I never took advantage of my sex in a game. A lot of times I played male characters to just get away from being constantly picked on in a game. I can also tell you that most of the flirting and such that goes on in a game is done by males playing a female character. Also it is not our fault that games written by males make the females with ungodly busts and wear skimpy chlothes.
As far as computer skills go I spent 15 years as a system manager for hpux and RTE-A systems for a large pharmacutical company.
So get off your high horse and take your brains out of your pants.
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
Originally posted by Neanderthal See, if everyone would just learn to control their women none of this would be a problem. Women shouldn't be playing video games. They should be washing dishes and sweeping the floor and taking care of babies. If you let your woman mess around with your computer then it's you who is at fault. And next thing you know she'll stumble onto some womens rights website and start spewing crap about her inner goddess. And before you realize what's happening she'll want to TALK about her FEELINGS and discuss the nature of your RELATIONSHIP. God help you. So everyone, please...do your part and keep your woman where she belongs. Half nekkid in the kitchen and eager to please in bed. Then the world will be a better place.
HAHAHAHAHAHA This made me laugh out loud.
But seriously, females, males who cares, we're all people and have to share the same world, virtual and real.
the focus of the group seems to change and my fun is ruined
So your real issue is that you want to be the centre of attention ?
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Originally posted by Razorback Originally posted by Supernerd sometimes in random pick up groups someone turns out to be a girl ( claims to be) the focus of the group seems to change and my fun is ruined So your real issue is that you want to be the centre of attention ?
No no razor thats an example
i never was the center of attention nor want to be
but in that example
the focus of my pick up group changed from fun and hunting and game talk and game issues to...
HER
instead of continuing our happy hunt
everyone else is copying down her aim and e mail and
asking her if she needs help or items or talking about something totally irrelevant
I don't treat girls any differently than I treat guys in game, mostly because they're usually all guys lol It's adolescent teens or socially stunted adults who usually hit on girls in game. I just try and be a decent person to everyone and treat them how I would like to be treated.
I don't give anything to beggars, period. Except advice.
Well maybe if someone could make a game where you hunt girls.... solves both problems in one
I can see it now... "Chicky Babe Hunt 2000"
Conversely you could do what others have sugested and find a group of people that have had sex before and arnt going to go all ga ga when a female comes near them
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This thread is not intened to start a flame war or anything
Ask yourself this - HOW likely is your opinion going to happen? How likely is a game company going to spend 5 million to 25 million to make a MMORPG only for female gamers? And to put in a system to make sure all the players are female gamers? And to police the game to kick out any male gamers who buy it and try to login? Negative 1,000% likely! Thus you have defeated yourself, and made this thread, and your opionions moot.
Im just here to stick up for some of us guys scared to post our real feelings on this issue
No this thread of yours is just one big rant.
Video and pc games is a mainly guys world and girls sometimes think they
Incorrect. You have showed how little you know, and how young you are. Female gamers make up a solid 25% of all computer gamers. (PC, console, arcade, etc...) No buisness can afford to get rid of, or lose, 25% of its customers. Since no company would want to lose 25% of its customers, then it is FALSE that companies can survive without women gamers.
BTW, did you know it was women who helped to create the internet? Yes, there were women scientists working with male scientists to create the internet, and work out all the bugs.
they should be treated extra special cause they play......
Have you met every women gamer? And how in the world are YOU able to tell if a female avatar in game is really a real female human in real life?
Since you cannot tell, then your point here is moot! You have no way of knowing if it is really a male player taking advantage of your naievity, your naieve self!
Im not saying they cant play our games
Yes you are. You claim female gamers do not make up a signifigant percent of gamers. You claim the female gamers who do exist should not play with male gamers. Read the title of your own thread LOL!
Just they should act as if they dont deserve extra attention or help if they are girls
1. Prove you have met real life females in games?
2. Prove the real life females you have met in games were the ones who asked for items, extra attention, etc...
3. Prove to all of us the female avatars you like to ooogle in games, are NOT real life male humans laughing as they take advantage of you?
In my experience , when someone finds out someone is a girl
STOP! You have refuted your own self! You say in your experience when someone else finds out someone else is a female.... What about when YOU find out when someone else is a female?
Next, how the heck are you able to know the real life person controling an Avatar is in real life a live, human, female? HOW?
HOW can you tell if it is not really a guy laughing as he uses a female avatar to take advantage of you?
everything. all the fun gets ruined,
Wrong. If this were true, then game DEVs would never make female Avatars LOL! All avatars would be male.
sometimes harrasment,sometimes lame flirting,
Only the game companies are privy to this. And they do not release the results of claims of harrassment, flirting, etc.... to the public. It is between the two parties and the game companies, and their complaint department.
sometimes some guy might start giving free stuff to her
HOW do you, or anyone else know that she's a SHE in real life at the keyboard? HOW?
or offer extra help just cause he knows shes a girl
HOW does he KNOW she is a female in real life? HOW?
or she might not want to hunt something cause its "too cute"
If you are going to make such blatant claims, then make an effort to back it up with proof. Take a screenshot. Start by telling us in what game this happened? On what server? The name of the female character?
Give me a break
Yes, YOU need to give yourself a break. Take a break from gaming, go outside, go to the park, club, bar, lounge, music store, supermarket, just walk around, and - GET A REAL LILFE GIRLFRIEND and then you will be able to stop getting your jollies off computer pixels and graphics!
Guys and Girls are different
How old are you right now? You found this out just now?
and most girls should just play their own games
Really? Please name a mmorpg that is only for girls?
kthxbye
Please do not tell me you talk like that in real life LOL!
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BTW, have you ever heard of the World Cyber Games? It is the top world contest of all the top gamers in the world. Playing every single major computer game. And guess what? There are female gamers who qualify, and make it to the top ranks. The entry all the way to the semi-finals for every country takes place in each country. The finals are held in Korea. I had a chance to watch the USA semi-finals in New York City some years ago.
I have seen with my own eyes, and met, hardcore female gamers at many arcades who are better, or just as good, as the male players. I have been to PC Bangs and watched, and met hardcore female players who are better than, or as good as male players. I have watched them play EQ, EQ2, WoW, SWG, Lin1, Lin2, Diablo II, as well as Counter-Strike, and many other games. Heck, I learned how to play Counterstrike from one of the best players IN the entire USA, and she is female. (She has owned many PC Bang computer game tournaments. Winning tons of money, and prizes.)
Let me ask you something, when you go to the arcade (or on console, or on the PC) and play a game like say... Tekken... Dead or Alive....... Soul Calibur...... Mortal Kombat..... Killer Instinct....., do you go crazy over the female characters on the screen? Do you want to date whoever is playing the ultra-sexy female character? LOL! Now do you get an idea of how immature your thread, your rant, is? And how bad you make yourself look? In Killer Instinct when the super-sexy female unzips her jacket and exposes herself, do you instantly want to date the real life human who is playing her? LOL! Or when the female character turns around, sticks her butt out, and smacks it with one hand while cooing in a sultry voice, do you instantly want to get the phone number of the real life human playing the game as her? LOL!
Hello This thread is not intened to start a flame war or anything Ask yourself this - HOW likely is your opinion going to happen? How likely is a game company going to spend 5 million to 25 million to make a MMORPG only for female gamers? And to put in a system to make sure all the players are female gamers? And to police the game to kick out any male gamers who buy it and try to login? Negative 1,000% likely! Thus you have defeated yourself, and made this thread, and your opionions moot. Im just here to stick up for some of us guys scared to post our real feelings on this issue No this thread of yours is just one big rant.
Video and pc games is a mainly guys world and girls sometimes think they Incorrect. You have showed how little you know, and how young you are. Female gamers make up a solid 25% of all computer gamers. (PC, console, arcade, etc...) No buisness can afford to get rid of, or lose, 25% of its customers. Since no company would want to lose 25% of its customers, then it is FALSE that companies can survive without women gamers. BTW, did you know it was women who helped to create the internet? Yes, there were women scientists working with male scientists to create the internet, and work out all the bugs. they should be treated extra special cause they play...... Have you met every women gamer? And how in the world are YOU able to tell if a female avatar in game is really a real female human in real life? Since you cannot tell, then your point here is moot! You have no way of knowing if it is really a male player taking advantage of your naievity, your naieve self!
Im not saying they cant play our games Yes you are. You claim female gamers do not make up a signifigant percent of gamers. You claim the female gamers who do exist should not play with male gamers. Read the title of your own thread LOL! Just they should act as if they dont deserve extra attention or help if they are girls 1. Prove you have met real life females in games? 2. Prove the real life females you have met in games were the ones who asked for items, extra attention, etc... 3. Prove to all of us the female avatars you like to ooogle in games, are NOT real life male humans laughing as they take advantage of you?
In my experience , when someone finds out someone is a girl STOP! You have refuted your own self! You say in your experience when someone else finds out someone else is a female.... What about when YOU find out when someone else is a female? Next, how the heck are you able to know the real life person controling an Avatar is in real life a live, human, female? HOW? HOW can you tell if it is not really a guy laughing as he uses a female avatar to take advantage of you? everything. all the fun gets ruined, Wrong. If this were true, then game DEVs would never make female Avatars LOL! All avatars would be male. sometimes harrasment,sometimes lame flirting, Only the game companies are privy to this. And they do not release the results of claims of harrassment, flirting, etc.... to the public. It is between the two parties and the game companies, and their complaint department. sometimes some guy might start giving free stuff to her HOW do you, or anyone else know that she's a SHE in real life at the keyboard? HOW? or offer extra help just cause he knows shes a girl HOW does he KNOW she is a female in real life? HOW? or she might not want to hunt something cause its "too cute" If you are going to make such blatant claims, then make an effort to back it up with proof. Take a screenshot. Start by telling us in what game this happened? On what server? The name of the female character? Give me a break Yes, YOU need to give yourself a break. Take a break from gaming, go outside, go to the park, club, bar, lounge, music store, supermarket, just walk around, and - GET A REAL LILFE GIRLFRIEND and then you will be able to stop getting your jollies off computer pixels and graphics! Guys and Girls are different How old are you right now? You found this out just now? and most girls should just play their own games Really? Please name a mmorpg that is only for girls? kthxbye
Please do not tell me you talk like that in real life LOL!
How the h*ll did you take 75% of the words right out of my mouth when I was reading the author's post on the author post. Your good man...YOur good.
Originally posted by Supernerd sometimes in random pick up groups someone turns out to be a girl ( claims to be) the focus of the group seems to change and my fun is ruined
So your real issue is that you want to be the centre of attention ?
No no razor thats an example
i never was the center of attention nor want to be
but in that example
the focus of my pick up group changed from fun and hunting and game talk and game issues to...
HER
instead of continuing our happy hunt
everyone else is copying down her aim and e mail and
asking her if she needs help or items or talking about something totally irrelevant
a perfect rare fun pick up group
ruined by 1 single girl
Or "ruined" by 1 single GUY pretending to be a girl and laughing his a-- off at how easily he is taking advantage of you and your "perfect pick up group". You have no way of telling if it is a female or male human in real life at the keyboard controlling that in game female character/avatar.
Supernerd, how old are you? Really?
Supernerd have you ever had a real life girlfriend? Do you have one right now in real life?
And Supernerd, here is a nice little site you should lurk (Do not post! You will get your butt kicked LOL! By BOTH women and men!)
Originally posted by AJIce Sadly, I kind of agree. That situation has happened to me, and, truthfully, I have found myself acting the same way as "Person ."Don't blame me, blame the testosterone.
yeppers i know it to be true
happens all the time too often in role playing type games
on the other hand i dont really care about girls in fps games
if fps like CS or planetside
if its a girl avatar that beats me i pretty much figure it was really a guy
if it wasnt according to Rikimaru_X and xplororor i will never know for sure will i?
You guys are spending WAAY more than adequate attention to this original poster. He's not gonna change his mind and join society, he's gonna go on thinking the same thing and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
Maybe i've given up hope on mankind, but is it not time to pack up and leave this guy in the 50's?
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Originally posted by AJIce Sadly, I kind of agree. That situation has happened to me, and, truthfully, I have found myself acting the same way as "Person ."Don't blame me, blame the testosterone.
yeppers i know it to be true
happens all the time too often in role playing type games
on the other hand i dont really care about girls in fps games
if fps like CS or planetside
if its a girl avatar that beats me i pretty much figure it was really a guy
if it wasnt according to Rikimaru_X and xplororor i will never know for sure will i?
Let's see now, according to you, if you see a female avatar in a FPS you KNOW it must be a guy. HOW is this? LOL!
But if you see a female avatar in a MMORPG, or anyother type of game (MOG like Diablo 2, etc...) you KNOW it must be a real life female? HOW is this? LOL!
Originally posted by Copeland Half the women you meet online are guys.. enjoy...
I would surmise the amount more at 90 percent, composed of prepubescent teens, and disgruntled thirty something programmers....
Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash! Be water, my friend. ~Bruce Lee
Y'all are spending waaay too much time trying to get a 13 year old BOY to think with something other than his little head.
It ain't gonna happen! Give up.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
Hrm...I see the point his making. And I think some of you are taking it too much to the extreme(losing your civility and getting riled up, isn't the way to answer this; it even shows a lack of maturity in some of you.)
Although more or less what would in fact solve the problem wouldn't be to exclude all male gamers, or all female gamers, making it a segregated gaming experience.
But rather to keep all the horny pubescent nerds out of the game; those that don't have a interaction with the opposite sex outside of cyb0rzing. So they don't hit on the female avatars that may type in /dance
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
I make female characters and beg for items and currency in popular player hangouts. It helps if the game allows you to strip the character to her underwear.
A *giggle* is worth a thousand gold, I always say.
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Originally posted by MisfitZ I make female characters and beg for items and currency in popular player hangouts. It helps if the game allows you to strip the character to her underwear.
A *giggle* is worth a thousand gold, I always say.
Hrmm, that reminds me. My brother once pulled this off in FFXI and it was entirely with emotes. If you can believe it, the patron was some Japanese guy, didn't speak any English, forked over 10,000 gil. I watched in disbelief, jealous amazement, and disgust because he was using the tarutaru model.
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ok Supernerd I just have to respond to your stupidity. I am a female and I have had a computer in my house since 1978. I have played tons of online games starting with UO and most other titles.
I never took advantage of my sex in a game. A lot of times I played male characters to just get away from being constantly picked on in a game. I can also tell you that most of the flirting and such that goes on in a game is done by males playing a female character. Also it is not our fault that games written by males make the females with ungodly busts and wear skimpy chlothes.
As far as computer skills go I spent 15 years as a system manager for hpux and RTE-A systems for a large pharmacutical company.
So get off your high horse and take your brains out of your pants.
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
Lol I just remembered something.
My aunt plays online games but she doesn't take advantage of her sex.
My cousin is a boy and sometimes he's female characters and takes advantage of his "sex".
But seriously, females, males who cares, we're all people and have to share the same world, virtual and real.
This has nothing to do with sterotyping or taking advantage of n e 1 because of sex
Those were just examples of my point
guys are different than girls
guys will act different around girls
whether it be a simple thing like her puting hun in front of everything she says for no reason
or
could be some guy on his alt pretending to be a girl to get free stuff
fact is
when we have interaction whether they be faking it or not
it can and does change my game environment from time to time
for no good reason
and it would be better off if i knew for sure everyone was male
i really cant say ban all chicks
but it would be great if
the only females in mmorpg were npc
and the real women were off doing women stuff
and yes in many games
Female avatars have huge boobs why?
cause these games are meant for guys!
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No no razor thats an example
i never was the center of attention nor want to be
but in that example
the focus of my pick up group changed from fun and hunting and game talk and game issues to...
HER
instead of continuing our happy hunt
everyone else is copying down her aim and e mail and
asking her if she needs help or items or talking about something totally irrelevant
a perfect rare fun pick up group
ruined by 1 single girl
I don't treat girls any differently than I treat guys in game, mostly because they're usually all guys lol It's adolescent teens or socially stunted adults who usually hit on girls in game. I just try and be a decent person to everyone and treat them how I would like to be treated.
I don't give anything to beggars, period. Except advice.
Well maybe if someone could make a game where you hunt girls.... solves both problems in one
I can see it now... "Chicky Babe Hunt 2000"
Conversely you could do what others have sugested and find a group of people that have had sex before and arnt going to go all ga ga when a female comes near them
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Please do not tell me you talk like that in real life LOL!
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BTW, have you ever heard of the World Cyber Games? It is the top world contest of all the top gamers in the world. Playing every single major computer game. And guess what? There are female gamers who qualify, and make it to the top ranks. The entry all the way to the semi-finals for every country takes place in each country. The finals are held in Korea. I had a chance to watch the USA semi-finals in New York City some years ago.
I have seen with my own eyes, and met, hardcore female gamers at many arcades who are better, or just as good, as the male players. I have been to PC Bangs and watched, and met hardcore female players who are better than, or as good as male players. I have watched them play EQ, EQ2, WoW, SWG, Lin1, Lin2, Diablo II, as well as Counter-Strike, and many other games. Heck, I learned how to play Counterstrike from one of the best players IN the entire USA, and she is female. (She has owned many PC Bang computer game tournaments. Winning tons of money, and prizes.)
Let me ask you something, when you go to the arcade (or on console, or on the PC) and play a game like say... Tekken... Dead or Alive....... Soul Calibur...... Mortal Kombat..... Killer Instinct....., do you go crazy over the female characters on the screen? Do you want to date whoever is playing the ultra-sexy female character? LOL! Now do you get an idea of how immature your thread, your rant, is? And how bad you make yourself look? In Killer Instinct when the super-sexy female unzips her jacket and exposes herself, do you instantly want to date the real life human who is playing her? LOL! Or when the female character turns around, sticks her butt out, and smacks it with one hand while cooing in a sultry voice, do you instantly want to get the phone number of the real life human playing the game as her? LOL!
Please do not tell me you talk like that in real life LOL!
How the h*ll did you take 75% of the words right out of my mouth when I was reading the author's post on the author post. Your good man...YOur good.
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No no razor thats an example
i never was the center of attention nor want to be
but in that example
the focus of my pick up group changed from fun and hunting and game talk and game issues to...
HER
instead of continuing our happy hunt
everyone else is copying down her aim and e mail and
asking her if she needs help or items or talking about something totally irrelevant
a perfect rare fun pick up group
ruined by 1 single girl
Or "ruined" by 1 single GUY pretending to be a girl and laughing his a-- off at how easily he is taking advantage of you and your "perfect pick up group". You have no way of telling if it is a female or male human in real life at the keyboard controlling that in game female character/avatar.
Supernerd, how old are you? Really?
Supernerd have you ever had a real life girlfriend? Do you have one right now in real life?
And Supernerd, here is a nice little site you should lurk (Do not post! You will get your butt kicked LOL! By BOTH women and men!)
http://www.womengamers.com/
http://www.womengamers.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2
Women are afraid to hunt other players down ingame and slay them? Really?
http://www.womengamers.com/revprev/act/planetside.php
yeppers i know it to be true
happens all the time too often
in role playing type games
on the other hand i dont really care about girls in fps games
if fps like CS or planetside
if its a girl avatar that beats me i pretty much figure it was really a guy
if it wasnt according to Rikimaru_X and xplororor
i will never know for sure will i?
You guys are spending WAAY more than adequate attention to this original poster. He's not gonna change his mind and join society, he's gonna go on thinking the same thing and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
Maybe i've given up hope on mankind, but is it not time to pack up and leave this guy in the 50's?
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All you friggin suburban white kid wannabe poobutts that are in love with G-Unit are sad and pathetic. Find your own identity -Anarchyart
yeppers i know it to be true
happens all the time too often
in role playing type games
on the other hand i dont really care about girls in fps games
if fps like CS or planetside
if its a girl avatar that beats me i pretty much figure it was really a guy
if it wasnt according to Rikimaru_X and xplororor
i will never know for sure will i?
Let's see now, according to you, if you see a female avatar in a FPS you KNOW it must be a guy. HOW is this? LOL!
But if you see a female avatar in a MMORPG, or anyother type of game (MOG like Diablo 2, etc...) you KNOW it must be a real life female? HOW is this? LOL!
I would surmise the amount more at 90 percent, composed of prepubescent teens, and disgruntled thirty something programmers....
Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup,
You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle,
You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Now water can flow or it can crash!
Be water, my friend.
~Bruce Lee
Y'all are spending waaay too much time trying to get a 13 year old BOY to think with something other than his little head.
It ain't gonna happen! Give up.
Hrm...I see the point his making. And I think some of you are taking it too much to the extreme(losing your civility and getting riled up, isn't the way to answer this; it even shows a lack of maturity in some of you.)
Although more or less what would in fact solve the problem wouldn't be to exclude all male gamers, or all female gamers, making it a segregated gaming experience.
But rather to keep all the horny pubescent nerds out of the game; those that don't have a interaction with the opposite sex outside of cyb0rzing. So they don't hit on the female avatars that may type in /dance
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
I have witnessed this many times
http://kaoswar.blackguardgames.com
I make female characters and beg for items and currency in popular player hangouts. It helps if the game allows you to strip the character to her underwear.
A *giggle* is worth a thousand gold, I always say.
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Listen Asmodeeus, seven years ago, Ultima Online didn't even have those pathetic "quests" that you refer to or those "professions" of ninja, samurai, necromancer, and paladin. Nor did it have any of the neon crap, or bug mounts. It didn't even have any "combat moves." You turned on attack and jousted with simplistic swings. It was a better game then. if you can't guess why then just uninstall the thing and move along. - Crabby
Hrmm, that reminds me. My brother once pulled this off in FFXI and it was entirely with emotes. If you can believe it, the patron was some Japanese guy, didn't speak any English, forked over 10,000 gil. I watched in disbelief, jealous amazement, and disgust because he was using the tarutaru model.
Supernerd is just tired of paying the girl on the corner $15 to give him cooties :P
Make a difference!
I only donate gold and items to women who hop on the web cam and give me a show while their hubbies are in the shower.. 1000 gold goes a LONG WAY!
Make a difference!
all i gotta say is WHO CARES?