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BDO is NOT that popular (in the West)
Folksfrackin
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What an illusion it is to believe in a game's popularity based on twitch viewer population! Especially for a game like BDO! BDO is the national MMO of Korea right now, and is dominant among new MMOs in east Asia, and most of the popular streamers and viewers are Korean and Chinese! In East Asian market major western MMOs have not even given it a serious try. Even ESO, which brags about a so-called Japanese version, has no server in Japan or anywhere else in Asia. Do you really believe Japanese players are gonna happily join an MMO only to be frustrated by 300+ ping? In the western market ESO is definitely much more popular than BDO, period.
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So saying the only way the game can be growing is when new channels are added is just tossing a blind eye to it. Who is to say they haven't improved the number of players per channel allowed? And as more landmass is added in you can hold more people per channel since its not like its just one server per channel. The channels themselfs have multiple machines within the channel. More landmass / more machines / better hardware = more people per channel without the need to add more channels.
And given the amount of landmass that has been added to BDO since release in the west. Its entirely possible that they maybe holding 3x people per channel more now then they did at release on the same channel. (People are more spread out over a much much larger area across more boxes)
By that measure Hearthstone leaves all the MMOs far behind.
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My point is there is a difference between being a MMO player investing several hours a day or just playing a round of cards for 10 minutes.
Or in this case: Watching people playing cards
As for the twitch numbers, that's what happens when the one popular streamer in the West (BladeBouques) isn't streaming. Keep in mind the game had a few popular western streamers, but most of them quit the game out of frustration.
In Korea (home turf) it's not even among the top 20 MMOs.
Besides it's not fair to compare it to ESO in the West, of course ESO is much more popular here. Hell ESO might be the most popular MMO in the West right now.
BDO should be still among the top 10 most popular MMOs in the West though. Which is more than anyone could have ever hoped for. So grats to them.
I self identify as a monkey.
2. Winback event (returning player rewards + 100% XP channels)
3. Free 7 day trial
#1. This just happened
#2. This has been in the game for over a month now
#3. This has basically almost always been there.
Points #2 and #3 are not valid because they've been here for a long time in BDO. BDO started having full crowded channels about 2 weeks before the DK event.
As for BDO in korea. KR MMORPG stats are always based on PC Cafes and you'll notice in some cafes BDO is low and in some cafes BDO is high. It's very hard to gauge but KR always has crowded and overrun channels during KR prime-time and overall a lot of the KR population believes the game is doing quite well.
https://gangnamgamers.com/top-20-games-in-korean-pc-bangs-rankings-dde93eeaf20c#.trw2vojs6
One such review shows BDO as a rank #19 game overall, but holds a good rank for MMORPGs. But as I said it is hard to gauge because different pc bangs cater moreso to different games. Daum/Kakao itself even has there own PC bangs with BDO graphics all over them.
Also, BDO streamwise can be interesting. One day lacari (ManUp Guild leader/NA player) held over 1700 viewers for BDO by himself.
If you go back a couple months ago BDO was at like 400-500 viewers and still had some KR streamers. Now it's at 2-4k viewers and the NA favorites will hover between 500 and 1000 viewers on average (lacari, orca, etc)
It's definitely gained traction and it is going in a good direction. It is also catching up to KR quite fast. The only thing I would be worried about is 2-4months from now when we fully catch up to KR that I hope Kamasylvia Part 2 and Part 3 will be ready. If they can continue to make it easier for players to catch up and continously release new areas the game should be decent for the next year.
Also for server merges. We went from 3 servers with 12 channels to one server with 36 channels (the same thing). The population has done nothing but increase since server merges. The merge was done because the siege scene was quite poor on one of the 3 servers and also BDO is a megaserver on every other region (and for most of them they released as a megaserver)
The server merge allowed guilds from each server to fight each other. You'll commonly see 5-10 guilds on T1 and T2 nodes fighting each other and 1-4 on T3's and you'll see anywhere from 2 to 16 guilds per region. Although some people don't contest the weaker regions sometimes like Balenos.
The biggest thing right now as I am someone that has played the KR version and now play the NA version. I have played this game since NA release and I still play it now. I've never had trouble finding grind spots in the past but these days I actually have to spend 20-30minutes looking for one and I actually have to defend it alot of the time now which is really good. As it stands right now they need to add even more channels like they did in KR, at-least until the DK hype dies down.
I'm hopeful that they will continue to ease the game for new players. The biggest thing in BDO is a knowledge gap on how to progress/make money. A lot of people keep the best ways as secrets in this game. There's ways new players can make 50-100m/day and ways to make 20m/30m/day 100% afk. I myself am a high geared player and I barely spend any actual money in the game. I've spent maybe 80$ total not counting the 60$ base of the game back when it was that expensive and I'm level 60 and 232ap/278dp and I have two other 59 characters.
Also, as someone who plays ESO in his spare time. ESO is doing quite well but only because of it's recent update. Before the update it wasn't doing good. I also play GW2 but I'm not happy with GW2's state right now
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They just can not accept that this game is a success.
Secondly, I played the game about a month ago. There wasn't a single crowded channel. What changed? They released a new class. Does that mean that suddenly everyone likes the game? No, I don't think it does. Check back in a week or two.
You are one of those that called Pay To Win and now you see you were wrong.
Suck it up and stop hating.
You guys realize siege warfare only happens at 9EST right? There's always 5-15 guilds on every T1 and T2 node. There's normally 1-5 on T3's and then 1-15 on region wars
This week there was 16 guilds in valencia, 1 in balenos, 2 in mediah, 2(no contest though) in serendia, and 4 in calpheon for region wars.
Right now T1 and T2 nodes get alot of competiton because guilds are scared of fighting region guilds in the T3 nodes +
Here's a video of 14 guilds on a T1 node on feb 28th.
You'll see siege channels crowded @ 9EST because thats when siege wars happen.
Also, I have screenshots showing about 8-9 crowded channels during NA prime time during january. I'll go dig for them.
Also, we've had crowded channels like the picture shown above for the last 2 weeks. We started getting all these crowded channels (15+) BEFORE the DK release. Not after.
After the DK release we started getting 20-25+ Crowded. So something was drawing people to the game prior to the DK release which was probably stuff like the olvia channels and returning players checking out the new content. The game is free so people will always check back in.
https://gyazo.com/f1add004906133fca698acc3910b6a83
This above picture was about 2-3 weeks ago @ 11 AM est where we have 11 channels crowded.
Basically the # of crowded channels has slowly been rising every since january 1st
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We could of course discuss how large the game is in west compared to Wow, ESO or whatever but since there are no good numbers to compare (the few MMO companies that actually gives out numbers often have silly measurements like created accounts and other methods like seeing how busy servers are which clearly are set by the companies or numbers like Xfire don't really tell us that much) we can at best guess and I fail to see how it matters anyways, the game is rather popular here but if 500K or 5 million plays each months does not really matter as long as the game earns enough money to keep releasing content and that the PvP have enough people to make it fun.
So the game is probably not as large or small as most people think based purely on guesses but the same thing could be said about most other MMOs.
Now, if the games income were so small that there were a threat to the western version it might be worth discussing it (which clearly is far from what it is) but there must be better topics about the game then this.
Those that hate are gonna hate, and those that generally love raining on other people's parades are going to do that just for the lulz.
TL;DR: There's always gonna be threads like this, whether the game's actually doing well, or poorly. :P
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