Translation: if they could figure out a way to monetize it as an official WOW service, they'd do it in a minute just like they did with the sale of level 100 characters.
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For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
Might as well just buy an official "I won the game" certificate. It's the same thing isn't it?
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Still won't be able to be proven you just use a service like Player Auctions, G2A, or any other 3rd party service which allows players to list their own virtual items for sale, I have even seen listings on Ebay...
Blizzard won't be able to ban someone just for running a raid with someone its unlikely, but selling services outside won't be able to be tracked as in the buyer wont get banned.
Also I would only use outside methods of communication when doing illegal transactions as GM's can read in game mail and IM's its common sense that for the security of both the buyer and seller you don't talk about RMT related in game at all but instead if talking say "Pay me 1 gold" for the run and I will turn you" or 100 gold, this makes it look like a regular gold one as there is transaction history between both players, and then the only way to punish people for this would be to punish legal players who actually just do it for gold which Blizzard said was legal.
You do realize Blizz can easily have their representatives engage these "outside" services and hire them.
Soon as the raid forms up, boom hammer drops and participants are all banned, including the Blizz "customer"
Couldn't they have done that with gold sellers and leveling services too instead of the ole "If you can't beat them join them"
Translation: if they could figure out a way to monetize it as an official WOW service, they'd do it in a minute just like they did with the sale of level 100 characters.
They are protecting their IP and preserving their rights to sue. Owners of some rights can lose them if they don't take steps to protect them. Blizzard probably gives butkis that people exchange real money for game content, but they give a whole lot that they protect their rights and don't allow violations of the myriad laws in all the countries they do business in.
It isn't about what you're doing, Snowflake, it's about how it impacts Blizzard's rights and standing in courts around the world. That's why they are doing this.
For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
I know what you are saying Tim, I made the same rationalization back in the past, but came to understand it's a false way if thinking.
It obviously benefits the Devs, they collect revenue (sometimes big money) from players they might have lost as customers due to not having time.
I think a good case can be made that it can negatively impact other players experiences, even if only by cheapening the achievements others worked hard to get.
At worst it can impart unfair advantage to those who pay more, really demoralizing the rest of the player base.
You might even argue it teaches the wrong lessons to those who pay for it, but those are weighty moral issues with no conclusion.
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For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
I know what you are saying Tim, I made the same rationalization back in the past, but came to understand it's a false way if thinking.
It obviously benefits the Devs, they collect revenue (sometimes big money) from players they might have lost as customers due to not having time.
I think a good case can be made that it can negatively impact other players experiences, even if only by cheapening the achievements others worked hard to get.
At worst it can impart unfair advantage to those who pay more, really demoralizing the rest of the player base.
You might even argue it teaches the wrong lessons to those who pay for it, but those are weighty moral issues with no conclusion.
It seems largely harmless, but I'm not so sure.
It's also ironic that especially in a gear progression game like WOW, all that gearing up actually does is open up other game play opportunities that said "career professional" will also not have enough time to do.
Not doing what you don't have time to do is also an option. Not having everything or doing everything in an MMO is something I made peace a long time ago.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
It would be better for those people to watch the encounters on youtube or twitch. They can see them perfectly well and contribute to the encounter in much the same way as buying into them.
For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
It would be better for those people to watch the encounters on youtube or twitch. They can see them perfectly well and contribute to the encounter in much the same way as buying into them.
Unfortunately, they can't stroke their epeen to all that "hard work" they will claim to have done later with the proven achievements. Achievement points are pretty important to high end guilds in wow.
The people bashing are the same on buying convenience everyday, whether it be a car wash, oil change or just the convenience of buying movie tickets online instead of driving there.
You want that sweet paint job on your ride, pay someone to do it because your to lazy to learn how to do it yourself? I could go on all day, people buy convenience every day in one form or another.
The people bashing are the same on buying convenience everyday, whether it be a car wash, oil change or just the convenience of buying movie tickets online instead of driving there.
You want that sweet paint job on your ride, pay someone to do it because your to lazy to learn how to do it yourself? I could go on all day, people buy convenience every day in one form or another.
Your post made me think of adult diapers.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
If a few hundred dollars is someones annual salary then they need to seriously reconsider their career path......
The real point here is that if people can't dedicate the time that it takes to get to a certain status in a game themselves without having to pay real money for it then they don't need to be playing that game. If that's what they want then they should go play one of those Korean/Russian P2W games. Blizzard doesn't want that for their game, accept it or stop playing. Plain and simple.
As an aside there are countries where the average per year is several hundred dollars. I certainly hope no one there is squandering that on Video games!
I agree with what Blizzard is doing I just don't think it's possible.
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The people bashing are the same on buying convenience everyday, whether it be a car wash, oil change or just the convenience of buying movie tickets online instead of driving there.
You want that sweet paint job on your ride, pay someone to do it because your to lazy to learn how to do it yourself? I could go on all day, people buy convenience every day in one form or another.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
For all the people that think this is "sad and pathetic" just remember their are career professionals out there that want to enjoy the content too without putting in the work of actually gearing their character. It's not about "pride" it's just about seeing the encounters. A few hundred dollars for some is an hours wage while for others it's an annual salary. It's all relative.
Which I agree with but you know what people get tired of...
1.) Game companies telling others what they can and can't do with their time spent in a game selling goods outside of a game they shouldn't be allowed to legally get involved with (If hacking or cheating is involved with botting goods that is different.)
2.) Every season new arena gear that unbalances pvp, makes things unfair, and starts grinding every single year for new arena gear on wow for example people get tired of it...
3.) Locked Classes, I know wow is an old game with classes, but newer generation of games should never have locked classes but ability to switch between them games like FFXIV, and Skyforge get this right other games like Guild Wars 2 failed at this.
This is just another example of consumers getting the short end of the stick on virtual goods and services simply because it's a virtual good or service.
This is akin to Nissan attempting to repossess Altimas when a driver attempts to make money off of it by driving for Uber. It's akin to Jack Daniels attempting to pull their bottles from bars because the bars had the audacity to attempt to make a profit off of serving it to others. But because it's a virtual good and the producers have almost exclusively created the rules of law.. Here we are.
"Keep in mind, selling these services for in-game gold is fine". So, it's perfectly okay to buy tokens from Blizzard with real money, and then use the tokens to buy in-game gold to buy a raid clear . It's not an ethics issue from Blizzard's point of view, it's a profit issue. They just want to pocket the real money someone else is making for selling raid clears. Also, since they changed their policy and made it possible to buy other services with in-game gold, the price of a token to buy a month subscription is now around 90,000 gold, up about 40,000 gold. This makes it more difficult to buy tokens for monthly subscriptions, and forces more players to use real money. Coincidence? I highly doubt it.
It is not about integrity of the game..obviously since they sell already to go level 100 character.
Nope it is about invading on their own rmt racket,which is the selling of level 100 characters.
The whole purpose of ridding a game of outside interference is to withhold the game's integrity.So since Blizzard couldn't give a dam about anything unless it puts money in their pockets,then i don't give a dam about Blizzard.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Yall are missing the fact that Blizzard can pay these people to do a raid. Show up and ban the whole raid. Its just that simple. Sneaky sneaky outside the game still has its very bad consequences.
And the people doing the selling of services could write an agreement "If you are affiliated with Blizzard Entertainment" or an "Employee there" You may not purchase these services, and this could be used to sue Blizzard in a court.
Again who cares about RMT, or people selling services, just ban the bots, cheaters, hackers, and people spamming or soliciting services in game problem solved what happens outside is between the parties involved Blizzard shouldn't get involved or care as Blizzard are not the police.
They can't successfully sue Blizzard in court if their very existence as a service is a violation of Blizzard's terms of service and copyright. That's just comically absurd.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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It isn't about what you're doing, Snowflake, it's about how it impacts Blizzard's rights and standing in courts around the world. That's why they are doing this.
It obviously benefits the Devs, they collect revenue (sometimes big money) from players they might have lost as customers due to not having time.
I think a good case can be made that it can negatively impact other players experiences, even if only by cheapening the achievements others worked hard to get.
At worst it can impart unfair advantage to those who pay more, really demoralizing the rest of the player base.
You might even argue it teaches the wrong lessons to those who pay for it, but those are weighty moral issues with no conclusion.
It seems largely harmless, but I'm not so sure.
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Not doing what you don't have time to do is also an option. Not having everything or doing everything in an MMO is something I made peace a long time ago.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You want that sweet paint job on your ride, pay someone to do it because your to lazy to learn how to do it yourself? I could go on all day, people buy convenience every day in one form or another.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I agree with what Blizzard is doing I just don't think it's possible.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/1.) Game companies telling others what they can and can't do with their time spent in a game selling goods outside of a game they shouldn't be allowed to legally get involved with (If hacking or cheating is involved with botting goods that is different.)
2.) Every season new arena gear that unbalances pvp, makes things unfair, and starts grinding every single year for new arena gear on wow for example people get tired of it...
3.) Locked Classes, I know wow is an old game with classes, but newer generation of games should never have locked classes but ability to switch between them games like FFXIV, and Skyforge get this right other games like Guild Wars 2 failed at this.
This is akin to Nissan attempting to repossess Altimas when a driver attempts to make money off of it by driving for Uber. It's akin to Jack Daniels attempting to pull their bottles from bars because the bars had the audacity to attempt to make a profit off of serving it to others. But because it's a virtual good and the producers have almost exclusively created the rules of law.. Here we are.
Nope it is about invading on their own rmt racket,which is the selling of level 100 characters.
The whole purpose of ridding a game of outside interference is to withhold the game's integrity.So since Blizzard couldn't give a dam about anything unless it puts money in their pockets,then i don't give a dam about Blizzard.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.