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Finally, Return to Morrowind - Elder Scrolls Online Videos - MMORPG.com

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edited April 2017 in Videos Discussion

imageFinally, Return to Morrowind - Elder Scrolls Online Videos - MMORPG.com

For years since launch, the island of Vvardenfell has sat on the Tamriel map in Elder Scrolls Online… taunting me, blank as the digital parchment it was drawn upon once was. But no more. Thought I traveled down to Maryland to see the official unveiling of the new ESO chapter, we didn’t get any time to actually play the new Warden class or the new zone. Now I can safely say that if you love ESO, Morrowind is set to give you heaps more of the game you adore.

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  • SinfulGFXSinfulGFX Member UncommonPosts: 4
    Thank you very much for your insight on Return to Morrowind :)
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,935
    edited April 2017
    $40.00 for one new zones seems a little costly. I get you get a new class as well and BG but IMO thats still a big ask. 20-30 maybe. @ $40.00 thats %30 shy the fee for a new game. So is it 60% the cost of a new games worth it for the amount of content? I would say no. Why? Because most new MMOs give you around 200hrs of content sometimes more. So for $40.00 bucks I would want 120hrs of content not 30hr.
  • guizicaguizica Member UncommonPosts: 8
    It's cool and all but once you get the quests done what does that leaves you with? Just another zone that have one or another new feature.

    ESO also feels too expensive. Monthly sub is almost mandatory if you want to experience all the game properly, with features like costume dyeing (which is more important than you might think, since all gear model looks very similar), craft bag, access to DLC (if you were to buy them individually that would be very expensive).
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    Nanfoodle said:

    $40.00 for one new zones seems a little costly. I get you get a new class as well and BG but IMO thats still a big ask. 20-30 maybe. @ $40.00 thats %30 shy the fee for a new game. So is it 60% the cost of a new games worth it for the amount of content? I would say no. Why? Because most new MMOs give you around 200hrs of content sometimes more. So for $40.00 bucks I would want 120hrs of content not 30hr.


    I suspect it's because ESO is essentially a B2P game.  Subs give you some nice stuff(the crafting inventory is easily the best thing, IMO), but I'd bet most people play it without a sub. 

    Anyhoo, assuming that's true, they don't have much reason to expect a big spike in subs like you would see in a traditional subscription MMO that's releasing an expansion.  And it could be argued that somebody buying a $30 expansion and resubbing is essentially paying $45 for it.

    I suspect that's the deal.  I could be wrong.
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    guizica11 said:

    It's cool and all but once you get the quests done what does that leaves you with? Just another zone that have one or another new feature.



    ESO also feels too expensive. Monthly sub is almost mandatory if you want to experience all the game properly, with features like costume dyeing (which is more important than you might think, since all gear model looks very similar), craft bag, access to DLC (if you were to buy them individually that would be very expensive).


    Pretty sure the DLC is like 40 bucks for the big 4.  5500 crowns, if I recall? 

    You can still dye armor as a free player.  Costumes no, armor yes.

    The craft bag is definitely nice.  But what I did was sub for a month after it was released.  This automagically dropped all goods into the bag and out of the bank, freeing up tons of space.  When you unsub, the ingredients stay there and you can use them; you just can't drop any more ingredients in.  When I start running out of space again, I'll resub and do it all over again.


  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,935

    Robsolf said:



    Nanfoodle said:


    $40.00 for one new zones seems a little costly. I get you get a new class as well and BG but IMO thats still a big ask. 20-30 maybe. @ $40.00 thats %30 shy the fee for a new game. So is it 60% the cost of a new games worth it for the amount of content? I would say no. Why? Because most new MMOs give you around 200hrs of content sometimes more. So for $40.00 bucks I would want 120hrs of content not 30hr.




    I suspect it's because ESO is essentially a B2P game.  Subs give you some nice stuff(the crafting inventory is easily the best thing, IMO), but I'd bet most people play it without a sub. 

    Anyhoo, assuming that's true, they don't have much reason to expect a big spike in subs like you would see in a traditional subscription MMO that's releasing an expansion.  And it could be argued that somebody buying a $30 expansion and resubbing is essentially paying $45 for it.

    I suspect that's the deal.  I could be wrong.



    If thats the case, 15 a month optional then 40 would be fair if the people subbing got the new zone for free and they are not. So IMO its still digging to deep for just one new zone with 30hrs of content.
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    Nanfoodle said:



    Robsolf said:





    I suspect it's because ESO is essentially a B2P game.  Subs give you some nice stuff(the crafting inventory is easily the best thing, IMO), but I'd bet most people play it without a sub. 

    Anyhoo, assuming that's true, they don't have much reason to expect a big spike in subs like you would see in a traditional subscription MMO that's releasing an expansion.  And it could be argued that somebody buying a $30 expansion and resubbing is essentially paying $45 for it.

    I suspect that's the deal.  I could be wrong.






    If thats the case, 15 a month optional then 40 would be fair if the people subbing got the new zone for free and they are not. So IMO its still digging to deep for just one new zone with 30hrs of content.


    A fair assessment.  Subscribers are getting a bit gouged.  Would probably make things fair if it came with a free month of ESO+.
  • druezdruez Member UncommonPosts: 120
    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.
  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,575

    druez said:

    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.



    Morrowind is being classified as an expansion, not DLC, so it's not included with the sub. If you want to play the Morrowind content, including the warden class, you'll have to buy the expansion no matter if you sub or not.

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,935

    druez said:

    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.



    Video above says the ESO Plus customers will still need to shell out the $40 bucks. Can you make the new class? Have you tried to goto Morrorwind?
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    druez said:

    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.


    A sub gets you all the DLC for as long as you have the sub.  Morrowind is being considered a full blown expansion.

    Might not always be that way, though.  They might do what SWTOR did with the Hutt expansion and give it away with a sub.  Or they might eventually add it to ESO+.  But not at launch.
  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,575

    Nanfoodle said:



    druez said:


    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.






    Video above says the ESO Plus customers will still need to shell out the $40 bucks. Can you make the new class? Have you tried to goto Morrorwind?



    You can't do either without buying the expansion.

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,935

    Robsolf said:



    druez said:


    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.




    A sub gets you all the DLC for as long as you have the sub.  Morrowind is being considered a full blown expansion.

    Might not always be that way, though.  They might do what SWTOR did with the Hutt expansion and give it away with a sub.  Or they might eventually add it to ESO+.  But not at launch.



    30hr expansion?
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Nanfoodle said:

    $40.00 for one new zones seems a little costly. I get you get a new class as well and BG but IMO thats still a big ask. 20-30 maybe. @ $40.00 thats %30 shy the fee for a new game. So is it 60% the cost of a new games worth it for the amount of content? I would say no. Why? Because most new MMOs give you around 200hrs of content sometimes more. So for $40.00 bucks I would want 120hrs of content not 30hr.


    While it is a bit high, I can't say it's too high, considering many full games at $60 have less story content than 30hrs and a simple addition of a handful of PVP maps (many shooters as an example). All things considered it's what many offer as a full fledged game. If Bill is right about the added quality in that story content making it feel more like a TES game proper, quality over quantity counts for something as well. 

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    druez said:

    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.


    That's the way it used to be but they're changing it up with Morrowind. Supposedly there will now be one "chapter" DLC per year that you need to pay for no matter whether you sub or not, and all other new zones that are not chapters (if they actually do in fact have any) will work the old way and will be included for free with your sub.

    Their pitch is that 1 chapter you have to pay for but the other 3 DLC per year will be included in the sub. The thing is that in 2017 there have been no other DLC nor are there any others announced. It's possible that there could be some in the fall... we'll see. 

    They like to put a lot of spin on things over at ZOS. You need to listen extra carefully to what they say to get some inkling about what's really going on. Morrowind is not the most significant thing they're doing this year: the change to how subs work with respect to DLC is. They just rather not talk about the sub change and have you focus exclusively on the Morrowind hype.

    Pay special attention whenever they roll out the master spin doctor, Peter Hines (VP of PR and Marketing for Bethesda... he doesn't even work for ZOS) to deliver the message. That usually means that some extra confabulation is about to be created.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,935
    edited April 2017


    Distopia said:





    Nanfoodle said:



    $40.00 for one new zones seems a little costly. I get you get a new class as well and BG but IMO thats still a big ask. 20-30 maybe. @ $40.00 thats %30 shy the fee for a new game. So is it 60% the cost of a new games worth it for the amount of content? I would say no. Why? Because most new MMOs give you around 200hrs of content sometimes more. So for $40.00 bucks I would want 120hrs of content not 30hr.






    While it is a bit high, I can't say it's too high, considering many full games at $60 have less story content than 30hrs and a simple addition of a handful of PVP maps (many shooters as an example). All things considered it's what many offer as a full fledged game. If Bill is right about the added quality in that story content making it feel more like a TES game proper, quality over quantity counts for something as well. 






    I dont play ESO, I just think they are ripping their ESO+ customers off. By their rules all DLC is free and a 30hr expansion is not really an expansion IMO but thats me. My point, I think the ESO+ customers should not be paying. Or they should have added much more content to make it count as an expansion. In the end value comes down to the customer not what I think =-)
  • fubarbox1fubarbox1 Member UncommonPosts: 27
    edited April 2017
    After watching this video I am thinking about reevaluating things. I like what I see and will be buying the "expansion" no matter what, the comparison to a huge $20 DLC makes me think I am out of my mind to be paying $100 for the edition that comes with the statue.

    The statue is cool and all, but I think I need to cancel my preorder and get the cheaper one to combat feeling underwhelmed and like I overpaid. ... Also 30hrs of content in a new area that is supposed to level you 1 to max does not seem like a lot, but I am new to the game, maybe thats how fast I should be leveling.
  • leon09leon09 Member UncommonPosts: 51
    I can wait for the inevitable price drop + a sale after its release like i did last winter with the dlc package. Still have 90% of the dlc to play and loads of the base game to play if i wanna experience more ESO before spending on a overpriced minimal expansion for just a class, 30h of new quests in a single zone and bgs lol.
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    edited April 2017
    People already missed their chance to get it on the cheap. Gold Edition was 50% off and crown packs were 24 bucks for 5500 (40 regular). For the price of a years sub you could have bought the Gold Edition and gotten 25000 crowns.



    I said it from day one, and even after the crafting bag, Subbing isnt worth it. They have even added double bank space with a sub and it still isnt worth it. But you see the pattern with them. They have THE WORST inventory system of any game ever made. And that is their cash cow. They have trained people into thinking that subbing for 156 bucks a year is worth the space. If any other game did this they would be laughed out of existence, but this game gets away with it somehow. Now that you have to pay for these things they so nonchalantly called 'chapters' (instead of a DLC which would be free for subs)it makes subbing worth even less. The 25K crowns will more than buy every DLC they release this year, so far there have been NONE, and we are more 25% of the way through the year, soon to be close to 50%. Sub 'value' greatly diminishing and no amount of inventory they package will make that any difference.



    As for the new 'chapter'. Its over rated. Over priced, and people would be better off waiting for it to drop in price.

    With all that being said I still play and will be playing I just bought the gold edition and the crowns, although I bought 33K. SO I spend more than a year sub money but I got a lot more crowns and dont need a sub since the only thing I dont have in terms of content is Hist expansion which I could buy if I wanted.
  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    leon09 said:

    I can wait for the inevitable price drop + a sale after its release like i did last winter with the dlc package. Still have 90% of the dlc to play and loads of the base game to play if i wanna experience more ESO before spending on a overpriced minimal expansion for just a class, 30h of new quests in a single zone and bgs lol.


    Seems like a smart choice.  I'd be doing the same, but my 2 other MMO mainstays, LotRO and SWTOR, have just put out releases that completely left me flat.  For the first time in about 4 years, I find myself lacking an MMO.  And with ME:A sounding like it's comprised of everything I didn't like about DA:I, it looks like I'm without a single player game, as well.

    I don't know what to do with myself.  Maybe it's time I tried out that thing people call... "exercise", or something.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    edited April 2017
    A lot of people want all the bells and whistles, so they will probably get the Digital Collector's Upgrade Addition, which is $60.

    Waiting would be the smart move but every now and then I just don't wait, so I'll get the Collector's Edition and see if I can wait at least a week or two until they hot fix the serious bugs that stop you from finishing quests and so I don't have to compete with 30 other Wardens doing the same quests.

    My other option is to just do another faction's quests with the Warden for a week or two to avoid the crowds. Thanks to t he scaling the new class can go almost anywhere and do the content.

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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    For me after playing the game for a year i just find all the classes boring after awhile. And the Warden does nothing for me. I miss the freedom of choice you got in the single player games when it comes to class building. And that limited hotbar doesn't help.
  • darkhalf357xdarkhalf357x Member UncommonPosts: 1,237

    Ginaz said:



    druez said:


    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.






    Morrowind is being classified as an expansion, not DLC, so it's not included with the sub. If you want to play the Morrowind content, including the warden class, you'll have to buy the expansion no matter if you sub or not.



    Actually its being classified as a chapter (smaller than an expansion, larger than ESO-defined DLC) and not an expansion due to the content not really delivering what a typical standard MMO expansion would.

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  • fubarbox1fubarbox1 Member UncommonPosts: 27




    Ginaz said:





    druez said:



    I thought you got the new zones for free if you have a sub. I just resubscribed and all the expansions are active for me now. I hadn't played in a year and didn't ever buy the expansion. Just turned on sub and I have everything.









    Morrowind is being classified as an expansion, not DLC, so it's not included with the sub. If you want to play the Morrowind content, including the warden class, you'll have to buy the expansion no matter if you sub or not.






    Actually its being classified as a chapter (smaller than an expansion, larger than ESO-defined DLC) and not an expansion due to the content not really delivering what a typical standard MMO expansion would.




    Basically word games that amount to: We are charging you just as much as other companies charge for a full blown expansion, but we are only going to give you a little bit more than you would expect from DLC...
  • BalticthunderBalticthunder Member UncommonPosts: 58
    Omg omg, Morrowind!
    So now Skyrim is forgotten and everybody's first and beloved game is Morrowind?
    The truth is the new expansion is a smaller copy of old Morrowind, where Seyda Neen is just 2 steps away from Vivec city.
    The zone is same size as Orsinium, but with new class they are charging you like for new game - ZOS are getting bolder and bolder with cash grab. And yeah , people will pay!
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