The 750k was probably a number they knew they could easily make. They didn't want to look like idiots like old Smedley and have to drop their campaign when it was obvious that it would fail badly. Obviously they already have funding since this game has been in development for over a year already.
I like this mixed funding approach far better than the past where all you got was a picture of a space ship and a request for millions of dollars. That has been working out real well hasn't it...
Its a free money hype campaign that screams to private investors - invest in us, the players will pay the debt if we fail.
Welcome to the new era, get used to it. Crowdfunding isn't going anywhere. And actually it screams: "People want this and will actually give us money", which is what investors want to hear.
I'm just waiting for the next step where you can actually say what you want to see in the game where you pledge, because nothing send a message better then putting your money where your mouth is.
Look at SWTOR, what idiot would make a Star Wars game and not plan to add the iconic species? Or Droid characters? They don't think it's a worthwhile use of dev time. Now the game is dead to too many people, but before it's slide into mediocrity they probably could have tried to crowdfund Wookie, Rodian, Droid and other characters, and I bet they would have made their goals.
Oh look at all those pretty things that should have been quest/raid/crafting/story/content/PvPer rewards...
Without the funding, there will be no questing, crafting, story or PVP.... As there will be no game, gotta throw those bones to get the funds.
Actually according to them, live on stream, the game is already funded.
They want an extra to invest in extra mechanics - or so they claim.
They want an extra, because there is an extra to be had. Simple enough I guess. Also it can be used as a very real "market interest evaluation" for other investors. Example:" Look how many people are interested AND are willing to spend on this game". Money + concrete proof of market interest. This is plain genius and people fall for it like sheeps.
To all people "investing" in this:
You either have a net income of 2000$ and no debt whatsoever or you just plain can't afford to spend 400$ on a game you literally don't know anything about. I saw so many students getting literally frustrated on Reddit, because they think they are missing on the hottest shit ever. Some even wrote emails for permission to pay the 400$ with monthly rates. Enough is enough, guys. You want to "invest"(what a dumb word for a mmo) you are just that hyped for this game then get the 40$ bundle it's by far the best value one.
Oh look at all those pretty things that should have been quest/raid/crafting/story/content/PvPer rewards...
Without the funding, there will be no questing, crafting, story or PVP.... As there will be no game, gotta throw those bones to get the funds.
Actually according to them, live on stream, the game is already funded.
They want an extra to invest in extra mechanics - or so they claim.
They want an extra, because there is an extra to be had. Simple enough I guess. Also it can be used as a very real "market interest evaluation" for other investors. Example:" Look how many people are interested AND are willing to spend on this game". Money + concrete proof of market interest. This is plain genius and people fall for it like sheeps.
Sorry I don't see your point since I never said otherwise.
But you didn't go into detail either. You just made a very vague point.
Oh look at all those pretty things that should have been quest/raid/crafting/story/content/PvPer rewards...
Without the funding, there will be no questing, crafting, story or PVP.... As there will be no game, gotta throw those bones to get the funds.
Actually according to them, live on stream, the game is already funded.
They want an extra to invest in extra mechanics - or so they claim.
They want an extra, because there is an extra to be had. Simple enough I guess. Also it can be used as a very real "market interest evaluation" for other investors. Example:" Look how many people are interested AND are willing to spend on this game". Money + concrete proof of market interest. This is plain genius and people fall for it like sheeps.
Sorry I don't see your point since I never said otherwise.
But you didn't go into detail either. You just made a very vague point.
I could go on details about investing money, but that's not the point.
If my point seems vague is because I'm avoiding making assumptions at this moment due lack of information.
But, as they said, it is not a case of having no game due lack of funding (kickstarter) since the game is already funded.
So can you tell me what the budget is and what the funding is? What functionality is included in the core game vs what is added after launch?
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Oh look at all those pretty things that should have been quest/raid/crafting/story/content/PvPer rewards...
Without the funding, there will be no questing, crafting, story or PVP.... As there will be no game, gotta throw those bones to get the funds.
Actually according to them, live on stream, the game is already funded.
They want an extra to invest in extra mechanics - or so they claim.
They want an extra, because there is an extra to be had. Simple enough I guess. Also it can be used as a very real "market interest evaluation" for other investors. Example:" Look how many people are interested AND are willing to spend on this game". Money + concrete proof of market interest. This is plain genius and people fall for it like sheeps.
Sorry I don't see your point since I never said otherwise.
But you didn't go into detail either. You just made a very vague point.
I could go on details about investing money, but that's not the point.
If my point seems vague is because I'm avoiding making assumptions at this moment due lack of information.
But, as they said, it is not a case of having no game due lack of funding (kickstarter) since the game is already funded.
So can you tell me what the budget is and what the funding is? What functionality is included in the core game vs what is added after launch?
I can't because he did not said a thing about it.
He just said the game is already funded and the kickstarter was an extra to be a mean to interact with the community and add extra content to please said community. It is on stream if you watch it. I don't get your aggressiveness - - the same way I don't get the edginess of everyone else. I'm just saying what he said.
I saw now that maybe when I said "details about investing money" you could see it as details about the project but I was talking about common investment.
I meant they could take this extra 750k and turn into a bigger amount which would immensely help the game.
But, as he said, is not a case of "not happening" if KS would't score the mark.
Thats BS. It basically means they did a kickstarter so that people will give them free money for nothing because they are "already funded". I've seen other companies do that, and pull their kickstarter because they honestly didn't need the money.
These guys needs the money, no matter what they say. They could have launched the full game (that they pretend to have funding for) and made money from it that way, then put that money towards developing whatever they wanted, but they didn't. They didn't because they don't have to. They get free money this way, and don't need to produce anything for it.
If and when the game launches it will go free to play within a year or two, then the lifetime subs will be worthless - if the game stays afloat that long, as no Kickstarter MMO has been without problems. Not a one.
Thats BS. It basically means they did a kickstarter so that people will give them free money for nothing because they are "already funded". I've seen other companies do that, and pull their kickstarter because they honestly didn't need the money.
These guys needs the money, no matter what they say. They could have launched the full game (that they pretend to have funding for) and made money from it that way, then put that money towards developing whatever they wanted, but they didn't. They didn't because they don't have to. They get free money this way, and don't need to produce anything for it.
If and when the game launches it will go free to play within a year or two, then the lifetime subs will be worthless - if the game stays afloat that long, as no Kickstarter MMO has been without problems. Not a one.
IF that's what you believe that's fine, yet I see no need to jump at Nyc for simply stating what was said by the team. He/she did say "according to them" as well as "so they say".... Both of which question the validity of said statement. It shows that the shared info was not being presented as fact. Which is more than I can say for your post. As you seem to present everything you feel here as a statement of fact.
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I always want to know about the PvP and PvE up front. They always manage to not put that information at the top.
Some info I was given about pvp:
What type of flagging system will be used for PvP in Ashes?
There are three states that a player can find themselves in: Non-Combatant (Green), Combatant (Purple), and Corrupt (Red).
Everyone is a Non-Combatant by default. If a Non-Combatant attacks a Combatant or another non-combatant, then they become a Combatant for a period of time. Similarly, if a Non-Combatant enters a PVP zone (which includes things like Castles, City Sieges and Caravans) they are automatically flagged a Combatant while in the zone, and for a period of time after leaving that zone.
Players can kill Combatants without repercussions, and are encouraged to do so, since dying while a Combatant means you suffer reduced death penalties. Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). This Corruption Score can be worked off with effort through a few mechanics, but the primary means of getting rid of it is through death.
While a player is marked as Corrupt, they may be attacked by both Combatants and Non-Combatants. If a non-combatant attacks a corrupt player, the non-combatant will not flag as a combatant.
"Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). "
So I take it this means that there are no 100% safe flags? That everyone can be attacked? Full PvP?
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"Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). "
So I take it this means that there are no 100% safe flags? That everyone can be attacked? Full PvP?
It doesn't exactly have to mean that, taking SWG's flag system as an example there were a few ways a non combatant could find themselves attackable by other players. Group tefs, factional tefs from attacking NPCS, Healing tefs. etc...
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"Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). "
So I take it this means that there are no 100% safe flags? That everyone can be attacked? Full PvP?
It doesn't exactly have to mean that, taking SWG's flag system as an example there were a few ways a non combatant could find themselves attackable by other players. Group tefs, factional tefs from attacking NPCS, Healing tefs. etc...
But a TEF by definition is a flag type... The above didn't say that non-combatants would temporarily flagged as combatant. It clearly states that you can kill non-combatants.
I mean why would I be flagged as"Corrupt" if you go and attack a friendly NPC? That wouldn't make any sense but maybe someone can ask Steven for clarification.
As I read it, non-combatants can be attacked and killed. It just corrupts the killer.
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"Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). "
So I take it this means that there are no 100% safe flags? That everyone can be attacked? Full PvP?
It doesn't exactly have to mean that, taking SWG's flag system as an example there were a few ways a non combatant could find themselves attackable by other players. Group tefs, factional tefs from attacking NPCS, Healing tefs. etc...
But a TEF by definition is a flag type... The above didn't say that non-combatants would temporarily flagged as combatant. It clearly states that you can kill non-combatants.
I mean why would I be flagged as"Corrupt" if you go and attack a friendly NPC? That wouldn't make any sense but maybe someone can ask Steven for clarification.
As I read it, non-combatants can be attacked and killed. It just corrupts the killer.
This is true, I was just saying there have been systems used before where non combatants could be killed. Yet they weren't exactly open PVP systems. I'm sure it's most likely FFA PVP as most of these games go that route, but there's always that slim chance they're not.
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This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible.
Unreal engine has helped greatly with this! Out of the box, UE4 is a graphically stunning engine, but most importantly UE4 provides us as the developers, the ability to modify the engine at the source code level. This has been a great help for us, since leveraging technology like this can save companies a lot of money in a big way.
We are beyond elated that you are reading this and share our vision! We believe the MMO genre can offer so much more, and be so much better to its players. We have a lot invested in the product, money, time, and a ton of effort with late nights. We have a ton of experience on our team with MMOs and we know how to tackle each hurdle."
This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible.
Unreal engine has helped greatly with this! Out of the box, UE4 is a graphically stunning engine, but most importantly UE4 provides us as the developers, the ability to modify the engine at the source code level. This has been a great help for us, since leveraging technology like this can save companies a lot of money in a big way.
We are beyond elated that you are reading this and share our vision! We believe the MMO genre can offer so much more, and be so much better to its players. We have a lot invested in the product, money, time, and a ton of effort with late nights. We have a ton of experience on our team with MMOs and we know how to tackle each hurdle."
Thats BS. It basically means they did a kickstarter so that people will give them free money for nothing because they are "already funded". I've seen other companies do that, and pull their kickstarter because they honestly didn't need the money.
These guys needs the money, no matter what they say. They could have launched the full game (that they pretend to have funding for) and made money from it that way, then put that money towards developing whatever they wanted, but they didn't. They didn't because they don't have to. They get free money this way, and don't need to produce anything for it.
If and when the game launches it will go free to play within a year or two, then the lifetime subs will be worthless - if the game stays afloat that long, as no Kickstarter MMO has been without problems. Not a one.
IF that's what you believe that's fine, yet I see no need to jump at Nyc for simply stating what was said by the team. He/she did say "according to them" as well as "so they say".... Both of which question the validity of said statement. It shows that the shared info was not being presented as fact. Which is more than I can say for your post. As you seem to present everything you feel here as a statement of fact.
I didn't "jump at nyc" I didn't attack them or state anything other than speaking directly to what "they" (the company) stated.
I always want to know about the PvP and PvE up front. They always manage to not put that information at the top.
Some info I was given about pvp:
What type of flagging system will be used for PvP in Ashes?
There are three states that a player can find themselves in: Non-Combatant (Green), Combatant (Purple), and Corrupt (Red).
Everyone is a Non-Combatant by default. If a Non-Combatant attacks a Combatant or another non-combatant, then they become a Combatant for a period of time. Similarly, if a Non-Combatant enters a PVP zone (which includes things like Castles, City Sieges and Caravans) they are automatically flagged a Combatant while in the zone, and for a period of time after leaving that zone.
Players can kill Combatants without repercussions, and are encouraged to do so, since dying while a Combatant means you suffer reduced death penalties. Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). This Corruption Score can be worked off with effort through a few mechanics, but the primary means of getting rid of it is through death.
While a player is marked as Corrupt, they may be attacked by both Combatants and Non-Combatants. If a non-combatant attacks a corrupt player, the non-combatant will not flag as a combatant.
Interesting. Death penalties, open pvp. The game sounds a bit hardcore, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I could see playing an open pvp game with this type of flagging system. This type of flagging coupled with an alignment system (corruption) could work well if the rest of the game systems and mechanics support it. If it's just a crude pk penalty then it will likely end up far less effective. I liked it alright in Lineage 1.
They have some people on their team with pvp game experience. That bodes well. Making it actually feel organic in an mmo? That's a pretty tall order to fill. I don't think they can do it, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if they do.
I agree. I dislike flags but this sounds like the least painful way to implement one.
I just hope the PvE folks don't freak out about getting ganked as a non combatant.
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I like this mixed funding approach far better than the past where all you got was a picture of a space ship and a request for millions of dollars. That has been working out real well hasn't it...
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/a-newbies-guide-ashes-of-creation-information/
Here.
–The Community Docs
Know Information Doc.
I'm just waiting for the next step where you can actually say what you want to see in the game where you pledge, because nothing send a message better then putting your money where your mouth is.
Look at SWTOR, what idiot would make a Star Wars game and not plan to add the iconic species? Or Droid characters? They don't think it's a worthwhile use of dev time. Now the game is dead to too many people, but before it's slide into mediocrity they probably could have tried to crowdfund Wookie, Rodian, Droid and other characters, and I bet they would have made their goals.
Without the funding, there will be no questing, crafting, story or PVP.... As there will be no game, gotta throw those bones to get the funds.
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They want an extra, because there is an extra to be had. Simple enough I guess. Also it can be used as a very real "market interest evaluation" for other investors. Example:" Look how many people are interested AND are willing to spend on this game". Money + concrete proof of market interest. This is plain genius and people fall for it like sheeps.
But you didn't go into detail either. You just made a very vague point.
So can you tell me what the budget is and what the funding is? What functionality is included in the core game vs what is added after launch?
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Thats BS. It basically means they did a kickstarter so that people will give them free money for nothing because they are "already funded". I've seen other companies do that, and pull their kickstarter because they honestly didn't need the money.
These guys needs the money, no matter what they say. They could have launched the full game (that they pretend to have funding for) and made money from it that way, then put that money towards developing whatever they wanted, but they didn't. They didn't because they don't have to. They get free money this way, and don't need to produce anything for it.
If and when the game launches it will go free to play within a year or two, then the lifetime subs will be worthless - if the game stays afloat that long, as no Kickstarter MMO has been without problems. Not a one.
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At the scope they presented it can not cost less than 20 million
Make that at least $50M
IF that's what you believe that's fine, yet I see no need to jump at Nyc for simply stating what was said by the team. He/she did say "according to them" as well as "so they say".... Both of which question the validity of said statement. It shows that the shared info was not being presented as fact. Which is more than I can say for your post. As you seem to present everything you feel here as a statement of fact.
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Some info I was given about pvp:
What type of flagging system will be used for PvP in Ashes?
There are three states that a player can find themselves in: Non-Combatant (Green), Combatant (Purple), and Corrupt (Red).
Everyone is a Non-Combatant by default. If a Non-Combatant attacks a Combatant or another non-combatant, then they become a Combatant for a period of time. Similarly, if a Non-Combatant enters a PVP zone (which includes things like Castles, City Sieges and Caravans) they are automatically flagged a Combatant while in the zone, and for a period of time after leaving that zone.
Players can kill Combatants without repercussions, and are encouraged to do so, since dying while a Combatant means you suffer reduced death penalties. Where this changes is when a Combatant kills a Non-Combatant. In this case, the Combatant is Corrupt, and acquires a Corruption Score (which is accrued based on a number of different parameters, including the level differential of their freshly slain victim). This Corruption Score can be worked off with effort through a few mechanics, but the primary means of getting rid of it is through death.
While a player is marked as Corrupt, they may be attacked by both Combatants and Non-Combatants. If a non-combatant attacks a corrupt player, the non-combatant will not flag as a combatant.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14luppZ3Ub8jmcw_aK65QWxYY4xa8qAo9zRfpYWBxOXE/edit#heading=h.gpqtp6lqar6j
So I take it this means that there are no 100% safe flags? That everyone can be attacked? Full PvP?
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It doesn't exactly have to mean that, taking SWG's flag system as an example there were a few ways a non combatant could find themselves attackable by other players. Group tefs, factional tefs from attacking NPCS, Healing tefs. etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But a TEF by definition is a flag type... The above didn't say that non-combatants would temporarily flagged as combatant. It clearly states that you can kill non-combatants.
I mean why would I be flagged as"Corrupt" if you go and attack a friendly NPC? That wouldn't make any sense but maybe someone can ask Steven for clarification.
As I read it, non-combatants can be attacked and killed. It just corrupts the killer.
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This is true, I was just saying there have been systems used before where non combatants could be killed. Yet they weren't exactly open PVP systems. I'm sure it's most likely FFA PVP as most of these games go that route, but there's always that slim chance they're not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And note that the studio is in Silicon Valley, heck only rent will cost them 20 million
"How can you build an MMO for $750k!?
This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible.
Unreal engine has helped greatly with this! Out of the box, UE4 is a graphically stunning engine, but most importantly UE4 provides us as the developers, the ability to modify the engine at the source code level. This has been a great help for us, since leveraging technology like this can save companies a lot of money in a big way.
We are beyond elated that you are reading this and share our vision! We believe the MMO genre can offer so much more, and be so much better to its players. We have a lot invested in the product, money, time, and a ton of effort with late nights. We have a ton of experience on our team with MMOs and we know how to tackle each hurdle."
from the faq's https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1791529601/ashes-of-creation-new-mmorpg-by-intrepid-studios/faqs
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What was the original budget they funded and what features are included or excluded from it?
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I didn't "jump at nyc" I didn't attack them or state anything other than speaking directly to what "they" (the company) stated.
I agree. I dislike flags but this sounds like the least painful way to implement one.
I just hope the PvE folks don't freak out about getting ganked as a non combatant.
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