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Q&A with Steven in Discord Includes Stance Against RMT - Ashes of Creation Videos - MMORPG.com

YouTuber siigari and a crowd of folks spent time in the Ashes of Creation Discord channel with Steven Sharif who spent a great deal of time answering fan questions. It was all recorded and posted to his channel as well as transcribed if you don't have time for a 45 minute video.

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Wellspring

Glad to see them taking a hard stance against RMT!

Unlike other games,*Cough* CoE....

zenomex

Wellspring said:

Glad to see them taking a hard stance against RMT!



Unlike other games,*Cough* CoE....

what about it?

Renoaku

So basically this game is going to be Pay 2 Win?, How about just going with a system like EVE online to prevent gold selling?

And Gold Sellers aren't a big problem in Subscription MMO's compared to other games as long as this company isn't just banning accounts who accepted currency from a person they had no idea was a gold seller like the GM's do in Albion Online the game could be okay, but the problem is more of "Preventing Fraud" and preventing hacked accounts as well as Bots, botting is the biggest issue in games, I could careless what people want to do with their Real Life money as personally I play games where "Gambling is somewhat legally allowed" as well as RMT in "Entropia Universe" for example, and I have no problem with a friend giving someone 5 gold for $10 Real Dollars for example, or people who use Fiverr or other services to sell ELO Boosting, which isn't illegal as long as you just play on pre-made teams in games and your on your own account and just paying for a persons time or person in your raid who has the gear, I see no problem with such activities, and I think that a games Jurisdiction (Should legally end) outside of the game meaning if a person pays or trades assets outside of the game nothing can be done unless those were illegally obtained by means of hacking, fraud, cheating, or scamming in an online game.

I do really hate it though when I have tried games like Lineage 2, and Revelation Online, even Vindictus I see gold spammers to this day.

Wellspring

@Renoaku the quote in the article, " In now P2W, " is mistranslated from the video's audio to text. I believe it should say "It's not P2W".

SBFord

Wellspring said:

@Renoaku the quote in the article, " In now P2W, " is mistranslated from the video's audio to text. I believe it should say "It's not P2W".

Ha! I'll fix it but that was a direct copy/paste from the transcription. Thanks!

Slapshot1188

Still a HUGE skeptic about the game's ability to deliver (or even release) but he hit the right notes on this one. Although, I don't think it's a sub that dissuades gold sellers as much as a box fee would.

ConstantineMerus

SBFord said:

Wellspring said:

@Renoaku the quote in the article, " In now P2W, " is mistranslated from the video's audio to text. I believe it should say "It's not P2W".

Ha! I'll fix it but that was a direct copy/paste from the transcription. Thanks!

Lol. You reminded of Frasier when he had became the family's spokeman and was defending Niles. 

SpottyGekko

Slapshot1188 said:

Still a HUGE skeptic about the game's ability to deliver (or even release) but he hit the right notes on this one. Although, I don't think it's a sub that dissuades gold sellers as much as a box fee would.

Nothing deters gold sellers, neither a box fee nor a subscription. The launch of ESO was a perfect illustration of that fact.

The only thing that effectively discourages them is low population and/or a "mature" population where most people are at endgame and demand for "goldz" has dwindled significantly.

CrazKanuk

SpottyGekko said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Still a HUGE skeptic about the game's ability to deliver (or even release) but he hit the right notes on this one. Although, I don't think it's a sub that dissuades gold sellers as much as a box fee would.

Nothing deters gold sellers, neither a box fee nor a subscription. The launch of ESO was a perfect illustration of that fact.

The only thing that effectively discourages them is low population and/or a "mature" population where most people are at endgame and demand for "goldz" has dwindled significantly.

Or more severe punishments for people buying gold. Don't punish the sellers, punish the buyers.

Kyleran

Torval said:

I agree with his position about the detriment and detraction rmt brings to mmos. I don't think their plans and systems will effectively deter it at all.

Better to try and fail than to never try at all.

Besides, I don't view the situation as being nearly so hopeless as others do.

Will this team have the financial resolve, probably not but one can only hope.

Distopia

CrazKanuk said:

Or more severe punishments for people buying gold. Don't punish the sellers, punish the buyers.

Most companies ban those found to be partaking in such affairs, that's really never served as much of a deterrent. It's also about the worst they can do to those individuals.

Most of the real fixes for this conundrum remove the freedoms of player to player trade, that's the real stinker. 

CrazKanuk

Distopia said:

CrazKanuk said:

Or more severe punishments for people buying gold. Don't punish the sellers, punish the buyers.

Most companies ban those found to be partaking in such affairs, that's really never served as much of a deterrent. It's also about the worst they can do to those individuals.

Most of the real fixes for this conundrum remove the freedoms of player to player trade, that's the real stinker. 

Yeah, I guess those participating in RMT don't care cuz they can simply buy another account, right?

Slapshot1188

Of course it's not a catch all solution, but at least it's a statement against RMT which is something I support (the statement not the RMT).   I beat companies up all the time (including this one) but I also think they should get applauded for trying to do the right thing.

Distopia

CrazKanuk said:

Distopia said:

CrazKanuk said:

Or more severe punishments for people buying gold. Don't punish the sellers, punish the buyers.

Most companies ban those found to be partaking in such affairs, that's really never served as much of a deterrent. It's also about the worst they can do to those individuals.

Most of the real fixes for this conundrum remove the freedoms of player to player trade, that's the real stinker. 

Yeah, I guess those participating in RMT don't care cuz they can simply buy another account, right?

I think it's more a matter of those folks mostly not caring at all, because they don't care about the game, While I'm sure some attempt to return, some others rush to forums to bad mouth their unjustified ban (claiming ignorance of such rules, or outright innocence). The rest probably just buy crap for another game and play that. 

Wizardry

Funny the one guy mentioned FFXI because i was going to say that was the main selling point for me,the DEEP character building that most games do NOT have.However i am not sure how he figured Diablo belongs in the same breathe ,sure a few builds are viable but nothing more than a few builds and you do NOT play the many classes on the same player like in FFXI.
Another talks about separate type cl;asses like artisans and adventuring,again FFXI already been there done that.I would be shocked if Ashes is as deep but hey if it is ,all the power to them.

They talked about TIME...investment and feeling left behind compared to players with loads of time to play.Well that is just one reason why i have said since forever that a subclass system is the way to go and why pvp is a very bad idea in games.With a sub class players are criss crossing different level classes for years while other games everyone is on end level and the game becomes stagnant leaving new players with nobody to play with.Imo it is a no brainer,altaholic class designs are a terrible idea.

They say Ashes has a very deep crafting system,easy to say but is it really,how will we know,just trust them?I do know that one person's idea of DEEP is not the same idea i have of a deep system design.

IMO the underlying problem will always be pvp in a mmorpg,it will NEVER work and be nothing more than a end game pvp game and nothing more.

Wrekkt

Sadly, Steve is a massive fan of the P2W aspects. He will take a hard stance on outside RMT, but botting (which he has done in multiple games), and ingame p2w shit(a personal favorite of his) will likely be rampant.

Renoaku

SBFord said:

Wellspring said:

@Renoaku the quote in the article, " In now P2W, " is mistranslated from the video's audio to text. I believe it should say "It's not P2W".

Ha! I'll fix it but that was a direct copy/paste from the transcription. Thanks!

ahh np it happens , either way I don't really mind cash shops just the ones that are truly insane.

Slapshot1188

Torval said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Of course it's not a catch all solution, but at least it's a statement against RMT which is something I support (the statement not the RMT).   I beat companies up all the time (including this one) but I also think they should get applauded for trying to do the right thing.

Good for you! Making statements is really important and gets stuff done. It doesn't matter if anything is accomplished and effective as long as they say the right things. You people and your empty rhetoric.

The only sure way to lose is to not even try to win.  You people and your low standards...

Slapshot1188

Torval said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Torval said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Of course it's not a catch all solution, but at least it's a statement against RMT which is something I support (the statement not the RMT).   I beat companies up all the time (including this one) but I also think they should get applauded for trying to do the right thing.

Good for you! Making statements is really important and gets stuff done. It doesn't matter if anything is accomplished and effective as long as they say the right things. You people and your empty rhetoric.

The only sure way to lose is to not even try to win.  You people and your low standards...

Hey if getting told what you want to hear works for you then great. It's still ineffective and meaningless though. That doesn't change anything.

Sounds like someone who's trying to justify their use of RMT

Iselin

At this stage of development, years before there is a game to play, all we have to go on are statements about what they intend to do. It's those statements alone that give us some early insight into the preferences of those who are going to be shaping the direction of the game.

COE for example has revealed a disturbing preocupation with new ways to monetize and Pantheon has turned me off with its dogmatic "thou shalt group" focus.

CU, Crowfall and Ashes, OTOH, interest me because their focus and the things they choose to talk about and emphasize are fairly standard with their innovations focused on game play tweaks that are not that far off the mainstream and seem interesting.

So is their stance on RMT. It's routinely anti-RMT and shouldn't even be news. That it is news is just a byproduct of the recent discussions about COE's off the wall stance on it.

Slapshot1188

I have no agenda.  That's my secret sauce.  

Gdemami

Slapshot1188 said:

I have no agenda.  That's my secret sauce.  

You do have an agenda, you just lack self-reflection...

Cassara71

For all those that have stated that P2W will be in game and Steven is a strong supporter of it, he has adamantly said he will not allow P2W anywhere near Ashes of Creation

Distopia

Slapshot1188 said:

Sounds like someone who's trying to justify their use of RMT

Now that's a F'n low blow. It's also about the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and hurling insults. 

Slapshot1188

Cassara71 said:

For all those that have stated that P2W will be in game and Steven is a strong supporter of it, he has adamantly said he will not allow P2W anywhere near Ashes of Creation

I would agree so far. The Kickstarter is one of the least P2W ones I have seen.  The worst is a 1 day headstart and even then he has promised fresh servers fir the non headstart folks.