I doubt there is a rule against him backing a project from a company he manages. Even if he runs the company, he and the company are not the same entity from a legal stand point. And if other people who work for the company want to throw in their own money as well, I don't see anything wrong with that either.
Apparently there is. Also if one clicks on his name under collaborators it does say he's a backer. I clicked other collaborators and they weren't backers.
I was wondering if Kickstarter considered someone having a project as a "backer" by default.
But maybe he didn't know. I had to do some searching to actually find it.
Apparently? It's binary. Either employees of companies are allowed to back or not. No one has established that yet.
What makes no sense is that KS states that neither they or their financial payment partners allow this. If they don't allow it, then how did it happen? Do people here think they don't have metrics on their users? Is anyone dense enough to think they'll try and get away with letting people fund who shouldn't?
What can I say, the rules aren't clear on companies. Technically it's his project in that he is in charge.
As far as how it could happen? maybe he didn't know. As a test I started a kickstarter project and while it walked me through, at no point did it mention I couldn't back it. So I wonder if they didn't know.
In which case, it's easy enough at this point for him to withdraw his pledge.
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Other projects have been shut down because the project owner donated to their own project so AOC shouldn't be any different, but I'm sure Kickstarter will look the other way considering the amount of money they would be denying themselves.
If you seriously believe this matters and are not just trying to attack the project and generate negative publicity for them, I would suggest you take this up with Kickstarter. Not much can be done here.
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Us people here, we believe one should first invest on their own game first then ask others. If he has donated to his own project himself, great. We don't give a fuck about Kickstarter idiotic rules, or any rules at all.
But hey, inform the good folks at Kickstarter if you really "care", because that's why are doing this right?
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I doubt there is a rule against him backing a project from a company he manages. Even if he runs the company, he and the company are not the same entity from a legal stand point. And if other people who work for the company want to throw in their own money as well, I don't see anything wrong with that either.
It is against the rules. However, everyone does it. Most create dummy accounts or have friends/family create an account and they give money to back it. He could be front loading this with a few hundred thousand with multiple accounts, but I doubt it.
Most of the money they've raised is legit. It just would be a pain in the ass to make THOUSANDS of accounts just to pad out the numbers. Perhaps they would do it to lure bigger investors, but again they would need to show more than just general interest for many to throw down serious money. Business people like sure things, which is why getting investors in gaming is so hard. They will need real gameplay with real features to show proof of concept before the big boys will bite.
Most likely Steven threw some of his own money in so he could be a part of the community.
I doubt there is a rule against him backing a project from a company he manages. Even if he runs the company, he and the company are not the same entity from a legal stand point. And if other people who work for the company want to throw in their own money as well, I don't see anything wrong with that either.
It is against the rules. However, everyone does it. Most create dummy accounts or have friends/family create an account and they give money to back it. He could be front loading this with a few hundred thousand with multiple accounts, but I doubt it.
Most of the money they've raised is legit. It just would be a pain in the ass to make THOUSANDS of accounts just to pad out the numbers. Perhaps they would do it to lure bigger investors, but again they would need to show more than just general interest for many to throw down serious money. Business people like sure things, which is why getting investors in gaming is so hard. They will need real gameplay with real features to show proof of concept before the big boys will bite.
Most likely Steven threw some of his own money in so he could be a part of the community.
Yeah, that has been cited and covered in the thread.
Project Owner: Intrepid Pledger: Steven Sharif
Hey, they're not the same. Now link to the rule that says an employee can't pledge to their company's project. That's been requested several times in the thread and not provided.
On top of that do a sanity check. Neither KS or their payment partners allow this so do you actually think they have no checks in place to alert or prevent this? Doesn't it make sense with the amount of money flowing through that system that their lawyers and the lawyers of their payment partners in conjunction with their informatics team monitor this sort of thing? They have all sorts of complex metrics on their users. Is it sensible that they have all this information except that?
LOL makes sense, and on top of this you could just make alt accounts use a VPN and back your own projects with own money, and prepaid debit cards to make it look real take the money and run if it were truly an illegitimate project This is why its said that its not allowed.
Can you tell me how you got a screen grab of his personal log in? Because the screen you're showing there as proof you can only see if you are logged in as him. There's no way to search for individual investors in any project.
On the other hand, such a screenshot would be very easy to photoshop off a log in you did have, such as your own, to make it look like his.
I'm a bit of a doofus when it comes to finding things on the internet, so I'm curious how you got into his account.
Can you tell me how you got a screen grab of his personal log in? Because the screen you're showing there as proof you can only see if you are logged in as him. There's no way to search for individual investors in any project.
On the other hand, such a screenshot would be very easy to photoshop off a log in you did have, such as your own, to make it look like his.
I'm a bit of a doofus when it comes to finding things on the internet, so I'm curious how you got into his account.
I doubt there is a rule against him backing a project from a company he manages. Even if he runs the company, he and the company are not the same entity from a legal stand point. And if other people who work for the company want to throw in their own money as well, I don't see anything wrong with that either.
It is against the rules. However, everyone does it. Most create dummy accounts or have friends/family create an account and they give money to back it. He could be front loading this with a few hundred thousand with multiple accounts, but I doubt it.
Most of the money they've raised is legit. It just would be a pain in the ass to make THOUSANDS of accounts just to pad out the numbers. Perhaps they would do it to lure bigger investors, but again they would need to show more than just general interest for many to throw down serious money. Business people like sure things, which is why getting investors in gaming is so hard. They will need real gameplay with real features to show proof of concept before the big boys will bite.
Most likely Steven threw some of his own money in so he could be a part of the community.
Yeah, that has been cited and covered in the thread.
Project Owner: Intrepid Pledger: Steven Sharif
Hey, they're not the same. Now link to the rule that says an employee can't pledge to their company's project. That's been requested several times in the thread and not provided.
On top of that do a sanity check. Neither KS or their payment partners allow this so do you actually think they have no checks in place to alert or prevent this? Doesn't it make sense with the amount of money flowing through that system that their lawyers and the lawyers of their payment partners in conjunction with their informatics team monitor this sort of thing? They have all sorts of complex metrics on their users. Is it sensible that they have all this information except that?
You do understand the difference between an employee and the owner right? Particularly the sole owner and investor as far as we know? And no I do not think they have checks in place because this is not a huge issue. I am amazed this thread is still going...Though I must admit to becoming curious about why he would do this as it results in KS taking a cut... plus taxes... it does seem odd.
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If he bought up a bunch of lower level pledges etc. right at the start. . or limited once to create a seeming gold rush then that is a little sketchy. If he used his own money then it is just him hyping his game. If he was given the money from AoC funds then it is not great. All guessing though at this point. I would think it is something to avoid though. Let's get Comey on this.
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As far as how it could happen? maybe he didn't know. As a test I started a kickstarter project and while it walked me through, at no point did it mention I couldn't back it. So I wonder if they didn't know.
In which case, it's easy enough at this point for him to withdraw his pledge.
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But hey, inform the good folks at Kickstarter if you really "care", because that's why are doing this right?
Can I pledge to my own project?
Pledging to your own project is not allowed by either Kickstarter or our payments partners.
https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creator+questions
LOL makes sense, and on top of this you could just make alt accounts use a VPN and back your own projects with own money, and prepaid debit cards to make it look real take the money and run if it were truly an illegitimate project This is why its said that its not allowed.
On the other hand, such a screenshot would be very easy to photoshop off a log in you did have, such as your own, to make it look like his.
I'm a bit of a doofus when it comes to finding things on the internet, so I'm curious how you got into his account.
Its on Google Search...
And his name is listed right on the $10,000 pledge as well?
And no I do not think they have checks in place because this is not a huge issue. I am amazed this thread is still going...Though I must admit to becoming curious about why he would do this as it results in KS taking a cut... plus taxes... it does seem odd.
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