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Prescience
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http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/464328/unreal-engine-is-a-massive-concern-for-me-and-i-think-many-are-overlooking-it
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But competence always is the defining factor in any game being developed.
Within the industry the methods used to do it are not generally revealed as it would be anti competitive. That's why you'll see the consumer complaining so much when a game launches "haven't we been through this before, " " why is this still happening in the year 20xx ", it's because it's a closely guarded secret.
Someone could be a well-versed and highly educated developer but they still may not be able to fix these types of issues. It plagues the industry.
It happens too often for me to believe net code and the "Massively" in MMORPG are a primary concern.
I remember when TERA was in beta/open beta they did a server stress test which basically was a precursor for the Nexus events. Everyone was asked to gather outside. of. the. castle... walls. The game ran like absolute gutter trash regardless of your graphics card/CPU. Hundreds and hundreds of players voiced their concerns and of course "it's beta". Fast forward, and I wouldn't be surprised if those Nexus events still cause their boxes to spit up blood.
My new way of approach is to not trust any MMORPG that has demos/trailers that don't have 25-50 characters on screen at once and can at least run decent for the presenter. I laugh at all developers who allow frame rate drops and lag to happen in their own demos/trailers because I know launch isn't a far cry from dev versions in those cases.
It's even more fun watching developers "re-envision" their titles to "shared experience RPGs" from MMORPGs and the cockamamie talk points they use to justify the change instead of being forthright.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I'm not sure if you ever played Lineage II before but it's still plagued with unacceptable performance issues to this day. Once a good amount of people are on screen it's all downhill from there.
If 10 - 12 FPS is something you find acceptable then I'm sure AoC will work for you. At this point, I am more worried the servers will just crash during combat due to the nature of the Unreal engine. It'll be ArcheAge all over again.
Nothing to worry about I'm sure.
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Blanket statements when you know nothing about a subject will get you no where.
I think it's you that doesn't know a thing about a game engine. I'm certain you're only trying to bait me into telling you what I know or don't know. The way Unreal works is that it has built in net code in the engine as it sits. You have to scan through the code and find the sections that check for "net role". You then need to delete that code and rewrite it to communicate with your proprietary back-end. How that code is read depends on a lot of different variables. The main issue, as I have stated, is the engine in and of its self is developed to operate like an FPS. That means the way the engine checks for information is very arduous and taxing for large scale. That is why you really see a departure from Unreal Engine use in MMOs being developed like StarCitizen, Camelot Unchained, Pantheon, Crowfall.
Either way, should you genuinely be stating "net code" is improper let me give you some examples of the term net code used by developers especially in the Unreal wiki and forums:
https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/431984/netcode-unit-test-plugin.html
https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Network_Replication,_Using_ReplicatedUsing_/_RepNotify_vars
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?128589-Suggestions-for-a-refactor-of-Character-Movement-s-Netcode-for-better-diversity
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?137118-Has-anyone-attempted-to-replace-the-UE-net-code-with-a-third-party-network-API
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?136814-Looking-for-C-net-coder
Probably won't satisfy all of you but it shows they are completely aware of it and seemed to have looked into it. They also seem to have some communication support with the UE4 guys.
Seems they also have an article coming out soon more about this.
He's obviously referring to the fact that Steven is making claims while having limited-to-no experience in the field. Stating that "Making your own engine is a waste of time" is a complete contradiction to Mark Jacobs philosophy - who is a legend in his own right.
Mark Jacobs is making an engine for Camelot Unchained just like he did for Dark Age of Camelot in 2001. When Steven makes amateur remarks about that being a waste of time he's only insulting legends of the industry like Mark.
You don't come into that industry like a know-it-all when people have spent hundreds of man hours learning and programming game engines.
Pantaro is pointing out that his team would make him seem less foolish because then there would at least be some experience in the answers.
They talked a bit more about this when someone asked the question during Q&A