Monitor discount only available in 5 countries, in North America and Southeast, no Europe. Monitor implementation of FreeSync is not the best: narrow range 80-100 Hz, and Ultimate range 48-100 Hz with flickering. See also: Reddit r/AMD PSA: Vega bundle monitor Freesync is broken
All countries get discount for combo of AMD Ryzen 7 1700X or 1800X, and ASUS CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME, GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming K7, or MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM, all of which are expensive motherboards.
The two games are Prey and Wolfenstein II, which is replaced by Sniper Elite 4 in 3 European countries.
I hate bundles....do I read this right btw that to get the discounts you need to get a monitor AND ryzen cpu/mb..along with the gpu card?
OR can you just get the gpu card with cpu and motherboard?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Monitor discount only available in 5 countries, in North America and Southeast, no Europe. Monitor implementation of FreeSync is not the best: narrow range 80-100 Hz, and Ultimate range 48-100 Hz with flickering. See also: Reddit r/AMD PSA: Vega bundle monitor Freesync is broken
All countries get discount for combo of AMD Ryzen 7 1700X or 1800X, and ASUS CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME, GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming K7, or MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM, all of which are expensive motherboards.
The two games are Prey and Wolfenstein II, which is replaced by Sniper Elite 4 in 3 European countries.
I hate bundles....do I read this right btw that to get the discounts you need to get a monitor AND ryzen cpu/mb..along with the gpu card?
OR can you just get the gpu card with cpu and motherboard?
As I read it, if you pay $100 extra for the bundle, you can get whichever components you want. But paying $100 extra for the bundle only to get a $100 discount on the CPU/motherboard combo makes the bundle kind of pointless.
If you have to buy everything to get the bundle, then it's really pointless.
Monitor discount only available in 5 countries, in North America and Southeast, no Europe. Monitor implementation of FreeSync is not the best: narrow range 80-100 Hz, and Ultimate range 48-100 Hz with flickering. See also: Reddit r/AMD PSA: Vega bundle monitor Freesync is broken
All countries get discount for combo of AMD Ryzen 7 1700X or 1800X, and ASUS CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME, GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming K7, or MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM, all of which are expensive motherboards.
The two games are Prey and Wolfenstein II, which is replaced by Sniper Elite 4 in 3 European countries.
I hate bundles....do I read this right btw that to get the discounts you need to get a monitor AND ryzen cpu/mb..along with the gpu card?
OR can you just get the gpu card with cpu and motherboard?
As I read it, if you pay $100 extra for the bundle, you can get whichever components you want. But paying $100 extra for the bundle only to get a $100 discount on the CPU/motherboard combo makes the bundle kind of pointless.
If you have to buy everything to get the bundle, then it's really pointless.
Them mobo are really expensove..lol
BTW where are you guys seeing it says you have to pay 100 extra for the gpu to take advantage of the "bundle deal"?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Monitor discount only available in 5 countries, in North America and Southeast, no Europe. Monitor implementation of FreeSync is not the best: narrow range 80-100 Hz, and Ultimate range 48-100 Hz with flickering. See also: Reddit r/AMD PSA: Vega bundle monitor Freesync is broken
All countries get discount for combo of AMD Ryzen 7 1700X or 1800X, and ASUS CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME, GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming K7, or MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM, all of which are expensive motherboards.
The two games are Prey and Wolfenstein II, which is replaced by Sniper Elite 4 in 3 European countries.
I hate bundles....do I read this right btw that to get the discounts you need to get a monitor AND ryzen cpu/mb..along with the gpu card?
OR can you just get the gpu card with cpu and motherboard?
As I read it, if you pay $100 extra for the bundle, you can get whichever components you want. But paying $100 extra for the bundle only to get a $100 discount on the CPU/motherboard combo makes the bundle kind of pointless.
If you have to buy everything to get the bundle, then it's really pointless.
Them mobo are really expensove..lol
BTW where are you guys seeing it says you have to pay 100 extra for the gpu to take advantage of the "bundle deal"?
I think AMD is trying to take a page from Nvidia's Founder's Edition cards and say, when there's a shortage, you have to pay extra to get one of the first cards. With the GTX 1080, you could make a compelling case that it was the fastest consumer GPU in existence and if you want top end performance, you pay what it costs. With Vega, there is no such case, though to be fair, there was no such case for the GTX 1070, either.
Monitor discount only available in 5 countries, in North America and Southeast, no Europe. Monitor implementation of FreeSync is not the best: narrow range 80-100 Hz, and Ultimate range 48-100 Hz with flickering. See also: Reddit r/AMD PSA: Vega bundle monitor Freesync is broken
All countries get discount for combo of AMD Ryzen 7 1700X or 1800X, and ASUS CROSSHAIR VI EXTREME, GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming K7, or MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM, all of which are expensive motherboards.
The two games are Prey and Wolfenstein II, which is replaced by Sniper Elite 4 in 3 European countries.
I hate bundles....do I read this right btw that to get the discounts you need to get a monitor AND ryzen cpu/mb..along with the gpu card?
OR can you just get the gpu card with cpu and motherboard?
As I read it, if you pay $100 extra for the bundle, you can get whichever components you want. But paying $100 extra for the bundle only to get a $100 discount on the CPU/motherboard combo makes the bundle kind of pointless.
If you have to buy everything to get the bundle, then it's really pointless.
Them mobo are really expensove..lol
BTW where are you guys seeing it says you have to pay 100 extra for the gpu to take advantage of the "bundle deal"?
Indeed it defeats purpose of the bundle, as other people say...
I think AMD is trying to take a page from Nvidia's Founder's Edition cards and say, when there's a shortage, you have to pay extra to get one of the first cards. With the GTX 1080, you could make a compelling case that it was the fastest consumer GPU in existence and if you want top end performance, you pay what it costs. With Vega, there is no such case, though to be fair, there was no such case for the GTX 1070, either.
I see, was looking at the Radeon site itself and they don't mention different pricing for a stand alone gpu vs a "bundle". https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/rxvega/
I really don't see the "deal" since it's set up like this. I was looking to build a ryzen system for my son but this bundle deal isn't very appealing as is.
If it was like a real bundle deal where you get xx gpu add in xx ryzen cpu along with xx mb and you automatically get a 100 off that would then indeed be worth being called a "bundle deal".
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
But, the bundle actually looks good. It gives you wayy more than buying new computer and getting 1080 with a monitor and everything else. And also 1080 consumes the same amount of power? And doesnt have hbmi memory?
No it is not really a good deal.
You have to spend $100 extra on the card to save $100-200 on a bundle.
Spending $100 more on the card to get a bundle to save $100 is not saving anything at all(they've in the past added gamebundles without making people spend more, in fact it has been coupled along with price drops in the past as well).
Even worse, if you're in the EU you get the same bundles, but the monitor discount is N/A. So the saving is even less... well none at all.
It defies logic. Its not going to keep miners from getting them either, as people can buy the bundles and then sell the cards for more. If anything it entices people to do that so they can get an even better deal on Ryzen. Plus plenty of miners could dump the CPU/boards for most of the cost without issue.
Likewise, you're only actually saving $100 on a specific, fairly expensive monitor. You could save up to $200 if you buy the CPU, mobo, video card, and monitor all at once, but that's still over $1700 so I don't see many people doing that.
Doing bundles I think is a great idea. How they're doing them is not. This makes no sense.
Better yet, you make no sense!!!
The thing that hurts the Vega is too much heat and heat kills graphics cards.
As to the used graphic card market, only the braindead will venture there as most of the available cards are from miners and already worn out.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
edited July 2017
AMD Deceptive Marketing 101:
Very deceptive marketing positioning from AMD. Funny on the layout positioning.
The GTX 1080 does better, it's just placed behind the Vega numbers just for the charts sake. Fury X numbers are worse than the 980Ti numbers in this chart too. It is sorted like that to fake position something that isn't true.
The performance is a bit disappointing for August. For January it would have been good. It still finally gets something out to replace the AMD Fury X as AMDs top performing card. I find the Fury X to be quite good, especially for the price I bought it at. Very quiet and a small package. The wattage was not a real concern to me. For AMD die shrinking the Fury X and packing it with 8 GB of HBM2 would have yielded something competitive with the 1080. I would find it hard to believe the Vega 64 of any cooling option to perform worse than the 1080. I think what a lot hoped for is what AMD did with Ryzen. Release a competitive product for half the price. I was planning to upgrade from the Fury X to a board partners liquid cooled version, but I might need to wait longer for Volta if the performance improvement is not significant enough. Definitely don't want to touch Pascal right now.
As for Ethereum mining, the Vega cards do yield a benefit. They are capable of the highest hash rate of any consumer GPU. Without customized settings like the GTX 1070 and RX 570 have it was yielding a higher hash rate. With optimization it will be a superior card than the GTX 1070. In particular the Vega 56. The Vega 64 consumes too much power for mining and is not markedly better than the Vega 56. Although the Vega 56 will also consume a lot of power, it will be like the R9 290. Enough power to justify the power usage.
The point of the packages is to dedicate certain GPUs for consumers that could potentially be bought by crypto-currency miners. If you need anything in the bundle than it's worth it to get a non-inflated price.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
As for Ethereum mining, the Vega cards do yield a benefit. They are capable of the highest hash rate of any consumer GPU. Without customized settings like the GTX 1070 and RX 570 have it was yielding a higher hash rate. With optimization it will be a superior card than the GTX 1070. In particular the Vega 56. The Vega 64 consumes too much power for mining and is not markedly better than the Vega 56. Although the Vega 56 will also consume a lot of power, it will be like the R9 290. Enough power to justify the power usage.
If this press member who has a Vega and has shown testing it is anything to go by the 33MH/s is pretty dire....
I've heard rumor of everything between 30MH/s up to nearly 100MH/s
Frankly, it's all smoke and mirrors until something actually ends up on the shelf.
Any claims that Vega 10 at stock speeds is significantly more than twice as fast as a Radeon RX 580 at ethereum mining are extremely suspect on the basis of being physically impossible, unless perhaps the memory overclocks really, really well. Getting 100 MH/s would mean global memory bandwidth with random lookups to an array larger than 2 GB happen at far greater than the theoretical global memory bandwidth of the card.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Anyone read reviews? What do you think now the curtains are down?
I think people wanted something that trounces nVidia, but that didn't happen. Chances are good it will be a good mining card, but the optimizations have not been made yet. Considering the number pre-ordered by miners, there will be an effort to optimize it unlike the Fury X. It will probably age better than the Pascal Cards as the Fury X aged better than the 980ti. So if it a long term card, then it makes a bit of sense.
I use my computer for 3D CAD in addition to gaming. I will probably get a Vega card as a result when the ones with a mono-block release. I am going to wait and see if the Frontier Edition cards improve in performance as a result of better Gaming drivers since I could use the 16GB of VRAM.
I think people wanted something that trounces nVidia, but that didn't happen. Chances are good it will be a good mining card, but the optimizations have not been made yet. Considering the number pre-ordered by miners, there will be an effort to optimize it unlike the Fury X. It will probably age better than the Pascal Cards as the Fury X aged better than the 980ti. So if it a long term card, then it makes a bit of sense.
I use my computer for 3D CAD in addition to gaming. I will probably get a Vega card as a result when the ones with a mono-block release. I am going to wait and see if the Frontier Edition cards improve in performance as a result of better Gaming drivers since I could use the 16GB of VRAM.
Ethereum mining doesn't strike me as the sort of thing for which software optimizations are even possible, beyond having decent GPU code not specific to any particular architecture. Either you're exhausting global memory bandwidth and hitting your theoretical peak performance, or else you'd have to fundamentally change how the memory controller works. I would not count on the latter happening after launch.
There could be power optimizations in the form of throttling the GPU clock speed and voltage way back so that you only use 100 W or 150 W or something like that, and without affecting the hash rate much. But I don't think that's what you mean.
I think people wanted something that trounces nVidia, but that didn't happen. Chances are good it will be a good mining card, but the optimizations have not been made yet. Considering the number pre-ordered by miners, there will be an effort to optimize it unlike the Fury X. It will probably age better than the Pascal Cards as the Fury X aged better than the 980ti. So if it a long term card, then it makes a bit of sense.
I use my computer for 3D CAD in addition to gaming. I will probably get a Vega card as a result when the ones with a mono-block release. I am going to wait and see if the Frontier Edition cards improve in performance as a result of better Gaming drivers since I could use the 16GB of VRAM.
Assemblies? Sorry didn't mean AutoCAD, just saying 3D CAD because its easier than saying 3D Design Software. I mainly use Blender 3D using GPU compute for the renders that can use a fairly high amount of memory when you start pushing it up to 4k res, hundreds of textures, and millions of polygons. End results are typically game assets, so I can't really justify a separate professional machine when I can have a single machine that fulfills both gaming and design work.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Quite possible the worst GPU launch ever. Would be great to see an exhaustive technological deep dive on why VEGA is the modern day R600 if not the NV30.
Vega 64 air will probably limp on for years in reviews as a reincarnation of reference Radeon 290X...a power hungry, noisy, embarrassment that chases away some potential buyers regardless of how many improvements were made to cooling, drivers, game optimizations, hardware, etc. afterwards.
Hardware.fr has the Fury X showing better perf/w after 2 years and a node shrink, not sure what is happening at AMD but someone should take the reins.
Gotta say, I wasn't expecting much (go back in this thread, it's all there).
After Ryzen and Threadripper though, I had a glimmer of hope. AMD was coming back in a strong way. Ryzen and TR made some waves and moved some needles. And I still think the Polaris release was handled very well actually by AMD.
I thought maybe, just maybe, there might be something to the hype this time. And there is hope Vega will keep nVidia moving forward in the aggressive cadence that GPUs have been doing for so long.
And then Lucy pulled the football out again, and we have truely ended up with a Fiji 2.0 release - or at least something so nearly identical that I can't distinguish between the situations. Or are we still waiting for all those driver updates and more DX12 titles?
I would say that AMD should stop trying to produce these top tier Halo products; except, today's halo card is mid tier in one generation, entry level in two generations, and stock minimum budget within four generations. If you stop trying to create the halo products, you cut off that entire pipeline for future generational lineups.
Or at least that's how it has worked traditionally. Maybe AMD can make it work different and just play in the higher volume lower margin markets without a halo product. But I think I have run all out of credit to extend to AMD RTG.
Agreed not much of a gaming card, but the miners will love them. I don't think that AMD will care one whit who buys them. Doubt you will have much luck finding them in the retail stores, they will be gone as soon as they hit the shelves. It will keep AMD solvent.
Assemblies? Sorry didn't mean AutoCAD, just saying 3D CAD because its easier than saying 3D Design Software. I mainly use Blender 3D using GPU compute for the renders that can use a fairly high amount of memory when you start pushing it up to 4k res, hundreds of textures, and millions of polygons. End results are typically game assets, so I can't really justify a separate professional machine when I can have a single machine that fulfills both gaming and design work.
Bought my first 3D graphics card back in 1992. It had 1 meg of ram, was made by a company called Vermont MicroSystems and cost me $2700, fricking thing was huge. Use to use 3D software back then that was called Personal Designer. Everything was drafted in wire frames and then if you needed you could get photo quality renders. You would leave the computer alone for hours to generate those.
A separate professional machine or two was a must back in those days
Everything lined up in the stars today with eBay's 20% off deal ending today in an hour up to $100 off. Got a new Vega Frontier Edition for $730. Going to slap on a monoblock liquid cooler later when I have enough for the other parts I was going to upgrade to in the fall.
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OR can you just get the gpu card with cpu and motherboard?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
If you have to buy everything to get the bundle, then it's really pointless.
BTW where are you guys seeing it says you have to pay 100 extra for the gpu to take advantage of the "bundle deal"?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I think AMD is trying to take a page from Nvidia's Founder's Edition cards and say, when there's a shortage, you have to pay extra to get one of the first cards. With the GTX 1080, you could make a compelling case that it was the fastest consumer GPU in existence and if you want top end performance, you pay what it costs. With Vega, there is no such case, though to be fair, there was no such case for the GTX 1070, either.
Indeed it defeats purpose of the bundle, as other people say...
https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/rxvega/
I really don't see the "deal" since it's set up like this. I was looking to build a ryzen system for my son but this bundle deal isn't very appealing as is.
If it was like a real bundle deal where you get xx gpu add in xx ryzen cpu along with xx mb and you automatically get a 100 off that would then indeed be worth being called a "bundle deal".
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The thing that hurts the Vega is too much heat and heat kills graphics cards.
As to the used graphic card market, only the braindead will venture there as most of the available cards are from miners and already worn out.
Very deceptive marketing positioning from AMD. Funny on the layout positioning.
The GTX 1080 does better, it's just placed behind the Vega numbers just for the charts sake. Fury X numbers are worse than the 980Ti numbers in this chart too.
It is sorted like that to fake position something that isn't true.
I think what a lot hoped for is what AMD did with Ryzen. Release a competitive product for half the price. I was planning to upgrade from the Fury X to a board partners liquid cooled version, but I might need to wait longer for Volta if the performance improvement is not significant enough. Definitely don't want to touch Pascal right now.
As for Ethereum mining, the Vega cards do yield a benefit. They are capable of the highest hash rate of any consumer GPU. Without customized settings like the GTX 1070 and RX 570 have it was yielding a higher hash rate. With optimization it will be a superior card than the GTX 1070. In particular the Vega 56. The Vega 64 consumes too much power for mining and is not markedly better than the Vega 56. Although the Vega 56 will also consume a lot of power, it will be like the R9 290. Enough power to justify the power usage.
The point of the packages is to dedicate certain GPUs for consumers that could potentially be bought by crypto-currency miners. If you need anything in the bundle than it's worth it to get a non-inflated price.
If this press member who has a Vega and has shown testing it is anything to go by the 33MH/s is pretty dire....
Some bench from vega 64 with nicehash 1.8.1.0
keccak 0.724 GH/s
DaggerHashimoto 31.275 MH/s
DaggerDecred 31.317 M/0.940G H/s
DaggerPascal 30.993 M/0.930G H/s
DaggerSia 30.718 M/0.922G H/s
Decred 2.659 GH/s
CryptoNight 800.000 H/s
Lbry 0.192 Gh/s
Pascal 1.668Gh/s
X11Gost 13.400 Mh/s
Claymore 9.8 ETH + SIA
33MH/s - 1011MH/s
Frankly, it's all smoke and mirrors until something actually ends up on the shelf.
It will probably age better than the Pascal Cards as the Fury X aged better than the 980ti. So if it a long term card, then it makes a bit of sense.
I use my computer for 3D CAD in addition to gaming. I will probably get a Vega card as a result when the ones with a mono-block release. I am going to wait and see if the Frontier Edition cards improve in performance as a result of better Gaming drivers since I could use the 16GB of VRAM.
There could be power optimizations in the form of throttling the GPU clock speed and voltage way back so that you only use 100 W or 150 W or something like that, and without affecting the hash rate much. But I don't think that's what you mean.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Vega 64 air will probably limp on for years in reviews as a reincarnation of reference Radeon 290X...a power hungry, noisy, embarrassment that chases away some potential buyers regardless of how many improvements were made to cooling, drivers, game optimizations, hardware, etc. afterwards.
Hardware.fr has the Fury X showing better perf/w after 2 years and a node shrink, not sure what is happening at AMD but someone should take the reins.
Vega has 60% higher clock than Fury but when you look this charts, yeah it's exciting architecture:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11717/90072.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11717/90084.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11717/90075.png
After Ryzen and Threadripper though, I had a glimmer of hope. AMD was coming back in a strong way. Ryzen and TR made some waves and moved some
needles. And I still think the Polaris release was handled very well actually by AMD.
I thought maybe, just maybe, there might be something to the hype this time. And there is hope Vega will keep
nVidia moving forward in the aggressive cadence that GPUs have been doing for so long.
And then Lucy pulled the football out again, and we have truely ended up with a Fiji 2.0 release - or at least something so nearly identical that I can't distinguish between the situations. Or are we still waiting for all those driver updates and more DX12 titles?
I would say that AMD should stop trying to produce these top tier Halo products; except, today's halo card is mid tier in one generation, entry level in two generations, and stock minimum budget within four generations. If you stop trying to create the halo products, you cut off that entire pipeline for future generational lineups.
Or at least that's how it has worked traditionally. Maybe AMD can make it work different and just play in the higher volume lower margin markets without a halo product. But I think I have run all out of credit to extend to AMD RTG.
A separate professional machine or two was a must back in those days
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee