I Am A Believer.

rensta

I was a but suspicious about the game at the beginning,you know the pyramid past history of the guy running the project,the fact the its just 2 years in development... but!
The team has invested 2 million from their own funds,very open about the game,countless streams and talks,showing real footage and gameplay,not trying to sell concepts.
More importantly they seem to have some kind of solid basis for the game in its pre alpha stage,which is yeah how its supposed to be.
(many games say they are "pre alpha" without really having anything)
I used to compare this to star citizen,but i see its completely different this development team really seems focused on creating a game and not concepts to sell for money.
OK...
Now...
If you could just use my referral link to the kickstartes page....
Just joking,but even that,no one can argue,this is a brilliant low cost advertising move,yes you cant trust those "sponsored" videos,but! they do get the buzz around and make  you look around  for something with more value such as the live streams themselves and the interviews like MMORPG.com had (which was really great~) 
Anyway.. just my 2 cents... Throw your opinions about the game..
Cheers.  

   

Kyleran

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Wellspring

Come 2020, you're not buying or playing anymore games? What is happening in 2020?!

kitarad

Could not resist and picked this one instead of Smash Mouth though I love that version too

rensta

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Slapshot1188

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Talk is cheap. 

rensta

kitarad said:

Could not resist and picked this one instead of Smash Mouth though I love that version too

Haha but yeah, I'm getting hyped a bit for this game... My broken heart of past failures has opened up again with hopes of finding true love once again.... Let's see if it gets shattered and the gods of time laugh at my mortal weakness as history repeats itself and suckers like me just keep  getting  fooled once more. 

rensta

Slapshot1188 said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Talk is cheap. 

I'm a cheap guy, I'd rather buy a nice dinner for my girl instead of pledging for a game, even if i believe in it, in the end it's just a game. 

Wizardry

I am not a believer because the first part of the design "the over world" is cheap and nothing what i want.So the design turns me away before i would even see any of the rest of the game.
Besides that,cash shop of any kind will NOT be supported by me,i am looking for FAIR across the board games.
To me this is typical of why the industry is so bad right now,too many devs have ideas that completely ruin any chance of gaining players.So they make their best money before the game even arrives and try to prolong that portion because making a steady profit with no finished product is pretty dam sweet if you are the developer.

Slapshot1188

rensta said:

Slapshot1188 said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Talk is cheap. 

I'm a cheap guy, I'd rather buy a nice dinner for my girl instead of pledging for a game, even if i believe in it, in the end it's just a game. 

The point being, if you truly were a believer you would not hesitate to pledge.  It's not a question of liking the mechanics or the way the game looks.  A true believer would put money down to support the project and KNOW it will get made.   So I would counter that I don't think you are a believer, but rather a hoper. Someone that likes the early game description and HOPES the game releases in 3-5 years.  

Phaserlight

rensta said:

Slapshot1188 said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Talk is cheap. 

I'm a cheap guy, I'd rather buy a nice dinner for my girl instead of pledging for a game, even if i believe in it, in the end it's just a game. 

I don't think that makes you cheap; that makes you someone with correct priorities (no knocks against those that do pledge; everyone has a different financial story to tell).

Phry

rensta said:

Slapshot1188 said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Talk is cheap. 

I'm a SENSIBLE guy, I'd rather buy a nice dinner for my girl instead of pledging for a game, even if i believe in it, in the end it's just a game. 

fixed.
i am sure your girlfriend is more than happy with your choice of 'priorities' too

rensta

Slapshot1188 said:

rensta said:

Slapshot1188 said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

Talk is cheap. 

I'm a cheap guy, I'd rather buy a nice dinner for my girl instead of pledging for a game, even if i believe in it, in the end it's just a game. 

The point being, if you truly were a believer you would not hesitate to pledge.  It's not a question of liking the mechanics or the way the game looks.  A true believer would put money down to support the project and KNOW it will get made.   So I would counter that I don't think you are a believer, but rather a hoper. Someone that likes the early game description and HOPES the game releases in 3-5 years.  

I support the game with what i have,my voice.. if that is not a show of faith i dont know what is. 
I from my own will wrote how i positively see the game.
I support the game with what i have,cash... well that i dont have to spare,i cant even afford a car(mostly because of the insane insurance rates and oil prices)
I never played any subscription games,not because i didn't want to,but because i could not afford it...
I did play B2P games.. like GW1 and GW2 ect... those offer high value entertainment for a very low cost which i can afford..
Anyway.. I show my faith in the game by making this thread... i really dislike following those kickstarter games,id rather just play... its all mostly nonesense for me... but ashes actually looks very good. Anyway i wont bother replying to you anymore with your childish attempts to tell me if im a true believer or not   

Knytta

This is a game that I truly hope will be released, but the downsides are the same as with EQN. Apart from the obvious "Will it be done in time" the stretch goals are starting to sound a bit funny. The "Underrealm" sounds like a stand alone expansion.  

 They still do not claim to have the lets guess $ 100 million that looking at what they say they will do it probably will cost to actually create the game. Of course they will use the kickstarter to attract more investors if possible.

But regardless I think the major question is "Will it be fun?" As the presentation of the game is now it will be vital to be in game at launch the prime properties in the cities (when they become cities) will be extremely valuable, other non instanced housing outside the cities may be limited, the prime locations certainly will be. This will create a lot of tension in game (a design feature as I understand it) and what are the opportunities in Ashes for players who do not start on day one, how can they impact the world? (Archeage is a example of the same problem). 

The likely solution of course tear it down if at all possible with balances in the game, if not  it is likely that most servers will be dominated by 2-3 guilds and the rest is just inconsequential. As it is now there are problems with the idea and I also wonder what the many PVE people will do when their first City gets destroyed by invaders. 

Much of this may change in play testing and I hope they get it right as a lot of the ideas are great, if implemented correctly. This is also a wholly new system that likely will have a number of opportunities for really creative griefing.

I am cautiously optimistic but will not back the game.

rensta

Knytta said:

This is a game that I truly hope will be released, but the downsides are the same as with EQN. Apart from the obvious "Will it be done in time" the stretch goals are starting to sound a bit funny. The "Underrealm" sounds like a stand alone expansion.  

 They still do not claim to have the lets guess $ 100 million that looking at what they say they will do probably will cost to actually create the game. Of course they will use the kickstarter to attract more investors if possible.

But regardless I think the major question is "Will it be fun?" As the presentation of the game is now it will be vital to be in game at launch the prime properties in the cities (when they become cities) will be extremely valuable, other non instanced housing outside the cities may be limited, the prime locations certainly will be. This will create a lot of tension in game (a design feature as I understand it) and what are the opportunities in Ashes for players who do not start on day one, how can they impact the world? (Archeage is a example of the same problem). 

The likely solution of course tear it down (if at all possible with balances in the game), so it is not unlikely that most servers will be dominated by 2-3 guilds and the rest is just inconsequential. As it is now there are problems with the idea and I also wonder what the many PVE people will do when their first City gets destroyed by invaders. 

Much of this may change in play testing and I hope they get it right as a lot of the ideas are great, if implemented correctly. This is also a wholly new system that likely will have a number of opportunities for really creative griefing.

I am cautiously optimistic but will not back the game.

Good points,I heard they will use a multi server system,like they wont have 1 global server,but like many channels,maybe you could build your house on different channels?
Housing is indeed an interesting concept that i wonder how will they tackle it.
In what i learned already the housing system will be very dynamic,meaning you dont have to actually build inside the "nod" or developing town area specifically,you can build around it as well.
Housing does seem like a complex problem,i dont think i ever saw anyone really nailing it down nicely. even in archeage the rich guilds rushed all the good spots... i guess its part of the fun? but arceage was free to play,Ashes will be buy to play if i understood correctly,so it will be harder to create many characters to buy off many plots of land.
I was never really into housing so i didn't think about it.
Anyone has any information about it?

-------------Anyone knows how will the housing system function in ashes? will there be a limit of plots per account? guild? owning a house is supposed to be a common thing or only for the hardcore community?     

Galadourn

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

As far as i know, you can pledge for as little as 10$, that's hardly a game changer (no pun) for your social life

rensta

Galadourn said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

As far as i know, you can pledge for as little as 10$, that's hardly a game changer (no pun) for your social life

i spend on my social life,monthly around 20$ each month... thats on a busy month.... so yeah 10$ is a big deal for me.. 

Kyleran

rensta said:

Galadourn said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

As far as i know, you can pledge for as little as 10$, that's hardly a game changer (no pun) for your social life

i spend on my social life,monthly around 20$ each month... thats on a busy month.... so yeah 10$ is a big deal for me.. 

Well the good news is since it will likely be 3 to 4 years before it fully launches you have plenty of time to save up to pay for it.  

Ponzini

Wizardry said:

I am not a believer because the first part of the design "the over world" is cheap and nothing what i want.So the design turns me away before i would even see any of the rest of the game.
Besides that,cash shop of any kind will NOT be supported by me,i am looking for FAIR across the board games.
To me this is typical of why the industry is so bad right now,too many devs have ideas that completely ruin any chance of gaining players.So they make their best money before the game even arrives and try to prolong that portion because making a steady profit with no finished product is pretty dam sweet if you are the developer.

The over world? What do you mean by that? Also, the cash shop is cosmetic only so it wont make the game any more unfair than having no cash shop. 

Ponzini

rensta said:

Galadourn said:

rensta said:

Kyleran said:

Did you pledge the KSer?  Just want to make sure you are all in.

It does seem to have a better shot than most, yet I'll be very surprised if it fully launches* before 2020.

* only way I'll buy and play a game

Nah, didn't pledge, i don't have money for such things i only put my money on released games, but i do support the game with my opinion, that's all i got, was just wondering how everyone else are feeling about it with the constant live streams, reviews ect... At first this game seemed like a total scam... Maybe it's just so good i think it's legit as well, luckily I'm a poor f*ag so i can't really get scammed. 
On contrast you have the starcitezen videos that are mostly 30 minutes talk about a minor feature that is not even implemented yet, and then some serval minutes going over a new ship concept going on sale.... So i just find it a pleasant change. 

As far as i know, you can pledge for as little as 10$, that's hardly a game changer (no pun) for your social life

i spend on my social life,monthly around 20$ each month... thats on a busy month.... so yeah 10$ is a big deal for me.. 

Damn dude. You realize this will be a subscription game at like $15 a month, right? lol Better start saving.

Nanfoodle

Well the DAoC fan in me thinks the PvP will be better here then Crowfall and CU. This node system will really get people invested into PvP if they pull it off right. This maybe the PvP home I have been looking for, for so very long. ESO could not do it, GW2 messed it up, WoW was dreadful gear score game. So after spending much time looking things over, my wife and I each backed the game for $50 each. With all the rewards and getting 2 free months of game time. I think its worth it. Lets see where this leads us lol

Jacobin

Yet another white knight who hasn't actually backed the project.

And LOL at the guy above who thinks based on what has been shown that AoC will be a better game than AAA titles such as WoW, GW2 and ESO.

I gotta give it so Steven. He has somehow convinced casual observers that AoC with its 2M KS + whatever he has will be competing right along with with AAA titles that do hundreds of millions in revenue and are run by some of the largest companies in gaming.

How do you guys not understand that this is like opening up a burger shop and claiming you are going to be bigger than McDonalds?

The backlash against this game is going to be epic.

Mikeha

I like what I have seen but I need to see more. 

laserit

Jacobin said:

How do you guys not understand that this is like opening up a burger shop and claiming you are going to be bigger than McDonalds?


It's more like claiming it's going to taste better than McDonalds. Which IMHO is doabble.

I'll taste it before I make a judgement. If there ends up being nothing to eat than it's no skin off my ass.

MrMelGibson

Wizardry said:

I am not a believer because the first part of the design "the over world" is cheap and nothing what i want.So the design turns me away before i would even see any of the rest of the game.
Besides that,cash shop of any kind will NOT be supported by me,i am looking for FAIR across the board games.
To me this is typical of why the industry is so bad right now,too many devs have ideas that completely ruin any chance of gaining players.So they make their best money before the game even arrives and try to prolong that portion because making a steady profit with no finished product is pretty dam sweet if you are the developer.

Thanks again for reminding us that you hate video games.  We get it man. 

Realizer

I love video games, and mmorps but I'm pretty sure this game is going to flop just like CoE and SoTA. Don't get me wrong it's a solid idea to purchase a bunch of assets and make a game out of the coolest looking stuff. The problem is, that sort of chaos doesn't usually translate into good games.