The game will launch. Just not necessarily with all or even most of the promised features, and not necessarily with enough polish to be a decent alpha.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I was reading an article on Ashes and noticed this:
"Something that certainly caught my eye was the promise that if, for any reason, Sharif believes Ashes of Creation won't launch, he'd refund every donation in full. I was skeptical of such a claim seeing as that Kickstarter money would already be spent on salaries and development by the time the game failed. "The entirety of the budget comes from my personal funding," Sharif says. "So if there's ever a moment in the future where it looks like there's a small percentage that this project might not be done, those reserves are available to refund the people who pledged towards it."
Simply put, Sharif is willing to pay people back personally if Ashes of Creation fails."
So it seems our pledges will be refunded. Of course this isn't legally binding so you can choose to believe it or not. Nice to know though.
I assume Ashes OF Creation, has no EULA / Terms OF Service, because what amazes me about all kick starters, No Games have a Terms OF Service and they make you think you can do whatever you want within reason then Slap you in the face with one at a later date.
Hopefully Ashes OF Creation makes a good game but I still have my doubts most developers fail and have sucked so far on every other game.
I was reading an article on Ashes and noticed this:
"Something that certainly caught my eye was the promise that if, for any reason, Sharif believes Ashes of Creation won't launch, he'd refund every donation in full. I was skeptical of such a claim seeing as that Kickstarter money would already be spent on salaries and development by the time the game failed. "The entirety of the budget comes from my personal funding," Sharif says. "So if there's ever a moment in the future where it looks like there's a small percentage that this project might not be done, those reserves are available to refund the people who pledged towards it."
Simply put, Sharif is willing to pay people back personally if Ashes of Creation fails."
So it seems our pledges will be refunded. Of course this isn't legally binding so you can choose to believe it or not. Nice to know though.
I assume Ashes OF Creation, has no EULA / Terms OF Service, because what amazes me about all kick starters, No Games have a Terms OF Service and they make you think you can do whatever you want within reason then Slap you in the face with one at a later date.
Hopefully Ashes OF Creation makes a good game but I still have my doubts most developers fail and have sucked so far on every other game.
What do you mean? Kinda hard to have a TOS for a service that isn't in existence yet.
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I was reading an article on Ashes and noticed this:
"Something that certainly caught my eye was the promise that if, for any reason, Sharif believes Ashes of Creation won't launch, he'd refund every donation in full. I was skeptical of such a claim seeing as that Kickstarter money would already be spent on salaries and development by the time the game failed. "The entirety of the budget comes from my personal funding," Sharif says. "So if there's ever a moment in the future where it looks like there's a small percentage that this project might not be done, those reserves are available to refund the people who pledged towards it."
Simply put, Sharif is willing to pay people back personally if Ashes of Creation fails."
So it seems our pledges will be refunded. Of course this isn't legally binding so you can choose to believe it or not. Nice to know though.
I assume Ashes OF Creation, has no EULA / Terms OF Service, because what amazes me about all kick starters, No Games have a Terms OF Service and they make you think you can do whatever you want within reason then Slap you in the face with one at a later date.
Hopefully Ashes OF Creation makes a good game but I still have my doubts most developers fail and have sucked so far on every other game.
What do you mean? Kinda hard to have a TOS for a service that isn't in existence yet.
Well the website is offering a service that (Does Exist) maybe its not fully in creation but they take peoples money (Then what happens if a person doesn't agree with something they write in it) or doesn't accept the TOS I am just curious about this.
Because normally when you make a gaming account on a service like Blizzard, you have to agree to a Terms OF Service that says You won't do (X) stuff here, but if you created the account before they write it do they refund those who don't agree lol?
edit: I think they should just make people aware on Kick Starters & Their Account creation page they will be writing a Terms OF Service that people have to agree to in the future in order to play the game just to not have any disputes lol.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
"Watch this video for an explanation" is the refuge of people who don't have anything to say, but don't want you to know it. A video takes much longer than text to present the same information--and also makes it take much longer for you to realize it if the video doesn't actually have anything interesting to say.
The feature descriptions on the web site are really vague and open-ended, pretty much inviting players to mentally fill in details how they'd like a game to work and think the game looks awesome. But there are so many wildly different things that are consistent with their descriptions that different people will expect wildly different things of the game. Most of them will be disappointed by the reality of the game, even if they're able to implement everything they want and get it working exactly how they want, which they won't.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
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It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? [mod edit] Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
"Watch this video for an explanation" is the refuge of people who don't have anything to say, but don't want you to know it. A video takes much longer than text to present the same information--and also makes it take much longer for you to realize it if the video doesn't actually have anything interesting to say.
The feature descriptions on the web site are really vague and open-ended, pretty much inviting players to mentally fill in details how they'd like a game to work and think the game looks awesome. But there are so many wildly different things that are consistent with their descriptions that different people will expect wildly different things of the game. Most of them will be disappointed by the reality of the game, even if they're able to implement everything they want and get it working exactly how they want, which they won't.
So your reasoning is that it takes you too long to find the information and you're impatient and don't want to wade through, but you want me to go back and find the timestamp for you because my time is less valuable than yours.
Information is there. I cited a location where the question could be answered. If someone really wants to know they can dig. I did that last night when Messner posted his hack article on PCGamer.
This is like every hardware discussion where someone doesn't want to do the simplest research. Are you telling me you never recommend people go watch youtube videos on how to apply thermal paste to a CPU? I know I've seen you cite very technical articles expecting people to at least read before they comment. It's no different here. There are also discord and the forums if people want specific questions answered.
TL;DR - I'm not the Shell Answer Man. I'll post information and highlights with some references. Last stream I posted highlights and a link to the stream.
I'm not saying that I want you personally to go do something. I am saying that if a company is making a game and wants people to fund it, buy it, play it, or whatever, it's their responsibility to provide good reasons to do so. "There's a video somewhere that explains it" falls far short of that.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
Well, have fun with that. The question and concern originally was that the referral system had changed. It hasn't according to Sharif.
Discord is there with an #ask_intrepid channel. It's the same channel I used to ask about the article. I did that because I actually wanted to know the answer. I think you and the rest here just like to be spoon fed tidbits so you can tear it down in your little self-righteous soap-box sessions.
I really couldn't give two fucks whether you ever learn your answer or not. You and people like you have turned this site into a shit hole. There really isn't one positive thread in the main feed right now without angsty emo victims crying about not being catered to. Have fun in your cess pool.
Read my post... and then yours... and then let's see who had a calmly and legitimately posted thought and which was "Wanking Indignation"
Asking a simple and basic question about whether they are now excluding the Kickstarter Pledges from the referrals is kind of an important point. I mean we are talking about $2.5 million dollars. Sorry if you do not know the answer to that. I do not expect you to because as far as I can tell he has AVOIDED answering it. A simple Yes or No puts it to bed forever.
And as pointed out before, the referral page HAS changed.
Also, something as has been pointed out... something as basic as what constitutes the "Core Product" is not something you should have to go find in a random statement in a random stream.
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It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
Except of course...we know that the details posted for the referral system HAVE in fact changed don't we? There was no mention of quarterly payouts.. nor a waiting period before. Both of those statements were recently added to the referral page. So saying that NOTHING HAS CHANGED is in fact quite a questionable statement.
So maybe instead of calling us "total cunts" you should revise that.
As I said, if it turns out that the author (for whatever reason) made up the statement that Kickstarter rewards are no longer included in the referral program i will be happy to join you in demanding a retraction AND an apology. But so far, I do not see anything except an ambiguous statement that seems easily disproven at its face value. The referral page WAS CHANGED.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
Except of course...we know that the details posted for the referral system HAVE in fact changed don't we? There was no mention of quarterly payouts.. nor a waiting period before. Both of those statements were recently added to the referral page. So saying that NOTHING HAS CHANGED is in fact quite a questionable statement.
So maybe instead of calling us "total cunts" you should revise that.
As I said, if it turns out that the author (for whatever reason) made up the statement that Kickstarter rewards are no longer included in the referral program i will be happy to join you in demanding a retraction AND an apology. But so far, I do not see anything except an ambiguous statement that seems easily disproven at its face value. The referral page WAS CHANGED.
As someone who did not use the referral system I cannot prove or disprove that. Either way I think the meaning of his message was clear. Expecting him to come back and say the same thing seems silly. He was obviously responding to your concern when he left that comment.
Even if he did say exactly the sentence you need him to write it wouldn't change the fact that most of you still wouldn't believe him. Honestly what happened to MMORPG players? I haven't played one in a long time but you guys are big babies these days. I got a developer here for you and its still not good enough.
They could do just like " The Repopulation " launch a game that is an unplayable shell of what they promised then quickly pull the plug and put all the cash into their next steam cash grab.
He has been asked many times to define "core viable product" -- which is what he promises to launch or give you your money back -- and that means he could release an 8bit pile of crap moving around the screen and say he met his commitment.
If he is funding the project himself and wants to involve others, why ask for money? Why not just be the good guy he claims to be and open it up for inclusion in ways that don't require taking people's money? It would be like asking your friends to join you at your house party, claiming you've taken care of everything and they just have to show up, then slamming them with a cover charge at the door. 360 degrees of bullshit.
Except he isn't 'taking' people's money, he is asking if people want to donate to his project. People are in no way required to donate.
Look we all get you have some personal vendetta against this guy because his guild beat the hell out of yours in Archeage but you seriously need to get over it. It's pretty sad at this point especially considering he has in game footage.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I was reading an article on Ashes and noticed this:
"Something that certainly caught my eye was the promise that if, for any reason, Sharif believes Ashes of Creation won't launch, he'd refund every donation in full. I was skeptical of such a claim seeing as that Kickstarter money would already be spent on salaries and development by the time the game failed. "The entirety of the budget comes from my personal funding," Sharif says. "So if there's ever a moment in the future where it looks like there's a small percentage that this project might not be done, those reserves are available to refund the people who pledged towards it."
Simply put, Sharif is willing to pay people back personally if Ashes of Creation fails."
So it seems our pledges will be refunded. Of course this isn't legally binding so you can choose to believe it or not. Nice to know though.
This is because ANYONE can make such a claim knowing they can officially launch the game in ANY state.He could release the game right now,who is going to say any different,there you go,officially launched,no refunds.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
This is made by fans. Second: There are missing information given on stream. I can quote streams you find on youtube, yet I can't find the same information there.
How does it matter if it is made by fans or not? It is all correct. How far will you guys dig to conveniently dismiss anything I post? Even if it was from intrepid you guys would say they are lying. It may not have everything but it was most of it. Plus there are documents for each Q&A out there somewhere. All these resources available + discord + forums and it isn't enough. Plug your fingers in your ears all you want. I am done trying to hold your guys hands and tell you its going to be okay. This forums is full of paranoid snot-nosed little babies.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
This is made by fans. Second: There are missing information given on stream. I can quote streams you find on youtube, yet I can't find the same information there.
How does it matter if it is made by fans or not? It is all correct. How far will you guys dig to conveniently dismiss anything I post? Even if it was from intrepid you guys would say they are lying. It may not have everything but it was most of it. Plus there are documents for each Q&A out there somewhere. All these resources available + discord + forums and it isn't enough. Plug your fingers in your ears all you want. I am done trying to hold your guys hands and tell you its going to be okay. This forums is full of paranoid snot-nosed little babies.
Were you promised something in exchange for your behavior, Ponzini?
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
This is made by fans. Second: There are missing information given on stream. I can quote streams you find on youtube, yet I can't find the same information there.
How does it matter if it is made by fans or not? It is all correct. How far will you guys dig to conveniently dismiss anything I post? Even if it was from intrepid you guys would say they are lying. It may not have everything but it was most of it. Plus there are documents for each Q&A out there somewhere. All these resources available + discord + forums and it isn't enough. Plug your fingers in your ears all you want. I am done trying to hold your guys hands and tell you its going to be okay. This forums is full of paranoid snot-nosed little babies.
Were you promised something in exchange for your behavior, Ponzini?
Were you? I have an interest here. I am excited for the game. You however have none. All you do is go around making snarky remarks because when you get proven wrong you delete your posts. I have fully acknowledged the game may not be as good as they say when it releases, if it releases at all. That is the nature of kickstarter. However your brainless conspiracy theories have no merit.
Your only goal is to see the game fail for your own petty reasons. It is quite sad, buddy.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
Well, have fun with that. The question and concern originally was that the referral system had changed. It hasn't according to Sharif.
Discord is there with an #ask_intrepid channel. It's the same channel I used to ask about the article. I did that because I actually wanted to know the answer. I think you and the rest here just like to be spoon fed tidbits so you can tear it down in your little self-righteous soap-box sessions.
I really couldn't give two fucks whether you ever learn your answer or not. You and people like you have turned this site into a shit hole. There really isn't one positive thread in the main feed right now without angsty emo victims crying about not being catered to. Have fun in your cess pool.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
Well, have fun with that. The question and concern originally was that the referral system had changed. It hasn't according to Sharif.
Discord is there with an #ask_intrepid channel. It's the same channel I used to ask about the article. I did that because I actually wanted to know the answer. I think you and the rest here just like to be spoon fed tidbits so you can tear it down in your little self-righteous soap-box sessions.
I really couldn't give two fucks whether you ever learn your answer or not. You and people like you have turned this site into a shit hole. There really isn't one positive thread in the main feed right now without angsty emo victims crying about not being catered to. Have fun in your cess pool.
Torval, do you realize this site was originally a place to come and complain about Star Wars Galaxies back in the day? This site is a place for MMO gamers to have a voice and it hasn't changed since its inception.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
Except of course...we know that the details posted for the referral system HAVE in fact changed don't we? There was no mention of quarterly payouts.. nor a waiting period before. Both of those statements were recently added to the referral page. So saying that NOTHING HAS CHANGED is in fact quite a questionable statement.
So maybe instead of calling us "total cunts" you should revise that.
As I said, if it turns out that the author (for whatever reason) made up the statement that Kickstarter rewards are no longer included in the referral program i will be happy to join you in demanding a retraction AND an apology. But so far, I do not see anything except an ambiguous statement that seems easily disproven at its face value. The referral page WAS CHANGED.
The referral details have changed at least 2 times. Here is what it looked like from around when the kickstarter began at 3:23.
Edit: Notice that quarterly payments were mentioned before and still now as well as a 30 day fulfillment period. What has changed is the youtuber example which was put in after the "MLM Referral system scam" controversy appeared. The kickstarter part has changed but it's likely they will just pay people based on the redeemed codes from the kickstarter, thus not actually sharing the kickstarter funding.
It's in the last three streams. I'm not doing that for you. Don't be lazy. The problem with all the complainers is that they expect to be spoon fed and given a reacharound with a smile. With your avatar? No fucking thanks. Put some effort in like everything else in life, lazy person.
In all fairness asking people to view 3 streams to get an understanding of the core product isn't reasonable.
I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
Yes, it's reasonable. If you really want to know then the information is there. Stop being lazy and expect to be spoon fed every answer you want like someone owes you that effort.
This is exactly what's wrong with the mmo crowd now. They say they want no hand holding, but then their actions say spoon feed me. I pointed to where the information exists. You could go ask on Discord as well. You're not owed the effort.
If you don't have the time, then maybe the discussion and topic aren't for you. What good would it do anyway. People that like to remain critical look for every opportunity to see the bad. Why should everyone else cater to that.
In another thread Sharif even came in and posted an answer to a question but that still wasn't good enough. So what I'm supposed to go out and do all the effort to find the stream and timestamp so they can wank their indignation at how it's not a good enough answer? Fuck that shit.
1. What's wrong with the MMO crowd today is that a sizable chunk tie their own self worth into a video game. One that is years from even launching none the less.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
You guys make it impossible for the developers. Steven himself comes and answers your question in a way that cant be disputed in its meaning. He said REFERRAL SYSTEM HASNT CHANGED. How do you take that as another meaning? You are just being total cunts. Steven likely isn't coming back since the main reason he was here is probably cause of the PM I sent him. So now you are going around spreading doubts in a statement that has no ambiguity to it. He did answer, plain and simple.
You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
Except of course...we know that the details posted for the referral system HAVE in fact changed don't we? There was no mention of quarterly payouts.. nor a waiting period before. Both of those statements were recently added to the referral page. So saying that NOTHING HAS CHANGED is in fact quite a questionable statement.
So maybe instead of calling us "total cunts" you should revise that.
As I said, if it turns out that the author (for whatever reason) made up the statement that Kickstarter rewards are no longer included in the referral program i will be happy to join you in demanding a retraction AND an apology. But so far, I do not see anything except an ambiguous statement that seems easily disproven at its face value. The referral page WAS CHANGED.
The referral details have changed at least 2 times. Here is what it looked like from around when the kickstarter began at 3:23.
But Steven Shariff clearly said that the referral system had NOT changed !
Perhaps he meant that it had not changed since the last time it changed....
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I hate watching streams of most anything, has nothing to do with being lazy, my time is valuable and I need the Cliff Notes Versions.
Put it another way, at the extremely large company I work for, the senior executives have an initiative called the 3 PowerPoint slide rule.
No presentation they give in a town hall will ever contain more than 3 slides.
In fact the advice (requirement really) we PMs are given when presenting to seniors is to keep it down to one. (and no more than 15 minutes on a single subject)
No one is being lazy, just time crunched and don't have time to "watch things."
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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I assume Ashes OF Creation, has no EULA / Terms OF Service, because what amazes me about all kick starters, No Games have a Terms OF Service and they make you think you can do whatever you want within reason then Slap you in the face with one at a later date.
Hopefully Ashes OF Creation makes a good game but I still have my doubts most developers fail and have sucked so far on every other game.
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Because normally when you make a gaming account on a service like Blizzard, you have to agree to a Terms OF Service that says You won't do (X) stuff here, but if you created the account before they write it do they refund those who don't agree lol?
edit: I think they should just make people aware on Kick Starters & Their Account creation page they will be writing a Terms OF Service that people have to agree to in the future in order to play the game just to not have any disputes lol.
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The feature descriptions on the web site are really vague and open-ended, pretty much inviting players to mentally fill in details how they'd like a game to work and think the game looks awesome. But there are so many wildly different things that are consistent with their descriptions that different people will expect wildly different things of the game. Most of them will be disappointed by the reality of the game, even if they're able to implement everything they want and get it working exactly how they want, which they won't.
2. There is a huge difference between "hand holding" and having to hunt through random stream #23 to find important info. I think the "Core product" is something basic enough that it SHOULD be documented in an easy to find place. I don't think that's asking much at all.
3. If you are referring to the PCGamer article. The question Sharif answered was NOT the one that was posed. Quite simply: Are Kickstarter Pledges included in the referral system? Do you know the answer to that and if so please feel free to link to the unambiguous YES or NO statement to support that.
4. People complaining about how others "wank their indignation" should really check their own posts IMHO. Wanking Indignation seems pretty prevalent around here
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You guys dont have time to watch things yet you have time to bitch and moan on a forums? So you give Steven yet another task to accommodate you guys who want it your own way. You realize this project JUST got started right? So you want everything he says in video and writing? Would you like that in braille as well? Give the dude a break.
By the way here is a pretty big compendium of things mentioned during the livesteams:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14luppZ3Ub8jmcw_aK65QWxYY4xa8qAo9zRfpYWBxOXE/edit
Have at it.
Asking a simple and basic question about whether they are now excluding the Kickstarter Pledges from the referrals is kind of an important point. I mean we are talking about $2.5 million dollars. Sorry if you do not know the answer to that. I do not expect you to because as far as I can tell he has AVOIDED answering it. A simple Yes or No puts it to bed forever.
And as pointed out before, the referral page HAS changed.
Also, something as has been pointed out... something as basic as what constitutes the "Core Product" is not something you should have to go find in a random statement in a random stream.
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So maybe instead of calling us "total cunts" you should revise that.
As I said, if it turns out that the author (for whatever reason) made up the statement that Kickstarter rewards are no longer included in the referral program i will be happy to join you in demanding a retraction AND an apology. But so far, I do not see anything except an ambiguous statement that seems easily disproven at its face value. The referral page WAS CHANGED.
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Even if he did say exactly the sentence you need him to write it wouldn't change the fact that most of you still wouldn't believe him. Honestly what happened to MMORPG players? I haven't played one in a long time but you guys are big babies these days. I got a developer here for you and its still not good enough.
There is nothing left I can do for you.
Look we all get you have some personal vendetta against this guy because his guild beat the hell out of yours in Archeage but you seriously need to get over it. It's pretty sad at this point especially considering he has in game footage.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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Your only goal is to see the game fail for your own petty reasons. It is quite sad, buddy.
but I don't care, any KS pledge is a donation hoping to get something in return, if money was a concern I would only spend it on a finished product.
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Edit: Notice that quarterly payments were mentioned before and still now as well as a 30 day fulfillment period. What has changed is the youtuber example which was put in after the "MLM Referral system scam" controversy appeared. The kickstarter part has changed but it's likely they will just pay people based on the redeemed codes from the kickstarter, thus not actually sharing the kickstarter funding.
Perhaps he meant that it had not changed since the last time it changed....
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018