15$ a month is very justifiable for a game with high replayability, large quantities of content, or as a subscription fee for unlimited entertainment for the month. However Diablo content lasts about as long as two trips to my local coffee bar, and isn't much more enjoyable. Besides, I know how to turn that 15$ into 10 trips to a local cafe with free refills and good coffee.
You want to know how to stretch 15$ as a gamer? Summer steam sale is going on right now. Some great classics with replay value like Heros of Might and Magic III and Age of Empires II are available for less that 15$ right now. That's also the cost of Arc Survival Evolved. All of those are going to stay entertaining a lot more than a minor update to Diablo III when the entire game only took like three reasonable length play sessions to chew through.
15$ a month is very justifiable for a game with high replayability, large quantities of content, or as a subscription fee for unlimited entertainment for the month. However Diablo content lasts about as long as two trips to my local coffee bar, and isn't much more enjoyable. Besides, I know how to turn that 15$ into 10 trips to a local cafe with free refills and good coffee.
The ability to live on the cheap doesn't prove a point. I can game for no money and play the hell out of more than 10 games for less than $15.
What is more enjoyable is subjective. You might not mind drinking sludge coffee but I do when what I want is something premium. I can live with and abide crusty coffee, but I don't cast aside the premium as a statement.
I disagree that renting a game for 30 days of unlimited play is a better deal than buying something once that I can play for as long as I want for the same price.
I don't drink sludge coffee, we get our coffee from groundsforchange.com and the place we go to offers only slightly worse quality. I just don't need all the fancy syrups poured into it and that's what saves me the money. It's just regular coffee brewed with good beans and sugar, honey, and cream you can add yourself as desired.
Back to the main subject for me it's an issue of what gives me more entertainment. Renting access to a game I will play for dozens or hundreds of hours during the month presents a lot more value than unlimited access to content I'll consume in a day or two, and dramatically less value than games with unlimited access I can get dozens or hundreds of hours of fun from.
The Diablo series to me presented no replay value. I paid 60$ for a game that only offered a main storyline I could play over and over and over, and nothing else. That got tiring very quickly. If I want a story driven scripted game I'll at least spring for something like Skyrim and Skyrim DLC that lasts a bit longer.
I only play D3 occasionally these days and not currently. But I'm sure next time I get around to playing it I'll get the Necro... good price for what you get.
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I'm starting to suspect that different people like different things. Who knew?
I know I'm wrong, a simpleton, and simply a terrible human being, but I got the necromancer pack and have enjoyed it quite a bit so far. Gamewise, I've spent way more for way less. I like PoE, Victor Vran, and Grim Dawn also, but they all feel a little plodding relative to DIII to me. The Torchlight games feel a lot closer as far as gameplay. If I want a game to just get in and bash around for a minute and get out feeling like I accomplished something and didn't have to leave anything unfinished, DIII is the game.
Also, sitting on an mmorpg site and bitching about grindy repetition is cute. Stay entertaining.
Different people like different things. My point is it's not reasonable to pretend like people are being unreasonable when they balk at a 15$ add on for a game with low replayability for what I would suspect is a lot of people. The addon is not delivering as much content as a lot of other games and game addons you can get for 15$ or less. It's only really a good value you specifically love Diablo 3. For most people, it is not.
I've spent more than this Necromancer update on two trips to my local coffee bar and the effects of those drinks wore off in a few hours. Honestly, in this day of overpriced, overrated Triple A titles AND the additional costs of their DLCs that people lose their minds over as they scramble to purchase them, complaining about $15 for what's basically DLC for another game doesn't even make sense.
Oh, it make sense - if you live in my country.
Are you willing to pay $65 for necro?
Because thats how I feel.
If Blizzard is so 'clever' to think "$15 = €15", then wy they aren't go further with "$15 = €15 = 15 PLN"?
Because right now is "$15 = €15 = 65 PLN".
And two coffee in Poland are not with 65 PLN price tag...
People losing their mind's over a $15 DLC for a game. Really? It is buy to play. Just don't pay for it if it bothers you. I would bet most people complaining do not even play the game to begin with. On a personal note I love the class and the extras that came with it. I still prefer my Crusader over the Necro but the variety of gameplay is fantastic.
I also don't understand the mentality here. While I have not played this yet, I plan to play once I get my TSW fill. I think $15 is reasonably priced for what you get and its a necromancer, something players have been asking for a very long time. I know there was a huge thread when the crusader came out about people who wanted a necromancer instead.
I've spent more than this Necromancer update on two trips to my local coffee bar and the effects of those drinks wore off in a few hours. Honestly, in this day of overpriced, overrated Triple A titles AND the additional costs of their DLCs that people lose their minds over as they scramble to purchase them, complaining about $15 for what's basically DLC for another game doesn't even make sense.
I'm not a particularly rich person as far as I know but I still had more than enough money to buy everything I wanted from the steam summer sale and Diablo 3 + Rise of the Necromancer (I never had Diablo 3 before) without needing to bat a blink at my funds. Stupid real life expenses are so much compared to how much B2P video games cost that I've eventually decided to stop worrying so about pocket change frugality when it comes to my gaming entertainment (at least when it comes to B2P games. F2P games really rack up the costs way too much for a gaming addict like me).
(I do still care enough about the frugality of it all that I waited for the summer sale first to buy some things though but that's more of a "Why not?" kinda thing)
Price is linked to your level of enthusiasm and care for the game.
If you are (almost) done with D3, problem isn't the $15 price tag, problem is you don't want to dedicate any more of your time to it.
Of course if it was free you would've checked it out, but you wouldn't be playing it much anyways, so yeah in that case it is over-priced for something you don't want to use.
I got 30 hours out of it so far, and I'm far from done. For my entertainment, this was a bargain.
I know you can unlock Marvel Heroes characters for free as well, but that takes a lot of time and that I can't afford. And I believe the price per character, and character only, is about the same.
Besides all the rationality we like to tread, I know there are a lot of posters who have no interest in the game and are just using this as a new excuse to bash Blizzard. You should be happy too, cause this is considered sort of a free content in your choice of entertainment.
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I just think the time and money spent by Blizzard on the necro would have been better spent improving endgame with things like themed seasons ala POE. Necro is too close to the WD.
To be honest, endless paragon levels killed it for me. I feel like i never have a sense of completion. Probably what they were looking for. And killing same things over and over again gets old.... very old! I decided to play Titan Quest anniversary edition for now.
I just think the time and money spent by Blizzard on the necro would have been better spent improving endgame with things like themed seasons ala POE. Necro is too close to the WD.
Diablo seasons have themes. Season 11 will be The Season of the Necromancer.
That's not what i mean by POE style themes. they change rulesets to make each season unique. Adding a class doesn't do that really.
anyway, it's too late for D3 and I don't expect much from D4.
What is up with all the POE comments? People whine about the $15 yet if you play POE you end up spending a lot more than that.
I enjoyed playing the necro, there are a lot of different ways to play the class.
What the f...
If you talk about only $15 for DLC and not including costs of base game and expansion pack, then with the same analogy I can say that in PoE you can play 100% content for free.
In a world over-saturated with 3A games there's little incentive to pay US$15 to labour through ANOTHER D3 toon replay, though I assume the cross-game digital goodies will attract more than a few.
I hope Blizzards new Diablo 4 game, has better character models and stuff that look more realistic similar to FFXIV, or rather BDO but within the diablo theme of course with transmogs would be awesome.
I love how everybody focusses on the Necro alone, you don't pay 15 bucks for 'just' the class, you get 2 char slots, 2 stash tabs and some cosmetics too.
2 char slots and 2 premium stash tabs in PoE set you back 140 points, or 14 bucks. So, for just ONE buck Blizzard threw in the Necro class and you got the cosmetics for free, cheap eh?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
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"I'm going to get this out there right off the bat: I wish that Blizzard would start developing Diablo 4 or at least give us a new expansion."
Suzie, how can someone in the business of reporting on games be unaware that Blizzard has been hiring for a Diablo project for 2 years now (that we know of)? "Diablo 4" (for lack of a better name) is well under way.
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"I'm going to get this out there right off the bat: I wish that Blizzard would start developing Diablo 4 or at least give us a new expansion."
Suzie, how can someone in the business of reporting on games be unaware that Blizzard has been hiring for a Diablo project for 2 years now (that we know of)? "Diablo 4" (for lack of a better name) is well under way.
I'm well aware of the adverts and job postings and we have, in fact, reported on most of them. However, it's still not announced so, until then, it's on the wishlist.
What is up with all the POE comments? People whine about the $15 yet if you play POE you end up spending a lot more than that.
I enjoyed playing the necro, there are a lot of different ways to play the class.
What the f...
If you talk about only $15 for DLC and not including costs of base game and expansion pack, then with the same analogy I can say that in PoE you can play 100% content for free.
How about that?
Sorry, but thanks for the laugh, if you play POE you are going to spend a lot more than $15 on it. Nothing wrong with supporting a game you like. I know I have spent at least $40 on stash tabs alone.
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What is up with all the POE comments? People whine about the $15 yet if you play POE you end up spending a lot more than that.
I enjoyed playing the necro, there are a lot of different ways to play the class.
What the f...
If you talk about only $15 for DLC and not including costs of base game and expansion pack, then with the same analogy I can say that in PoE you can play 100% content for free.
How about that?
Sorry, but thanks for the laugh, if you play POE you are going to spend a lot more than $15 on it.
Played PoE for years now, never needed to spend money on the game to enjoy new content. Especially when we're pertaining to brand new classes. However, I've often thought of finally support the GGG team by purchasing one of the higher tier support packs for providing me with the best hack and slash game created to date.
Fabulous. You like PoE. That's great! I mean it, truly.
But the same can be said for Diablo 3 -- some people prefer it to other games in the genre. There's nothing wrong with that either.
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You want to know how to stretch 15$ as a gamer? Summer steam sale is going on right now. Some great classics with replay value like Heros of Might and Magic III and Age of Empires II are available for less that 15$ right now. That's also the cost of Arc Survival Evolved. All of those are going to stay entertaining a lot more than a minor update to Diablo III when the entire game only took like three reasonable length play sessions to chew through.
Back to the main subject for me it's an issue of what gives me more entertainment. Renting access to a game I will play for dozens or hundreds of hours during the month presents a lot more value than unlimited access to content I'll consume in a day or two, and dramatically less value than games with unlimited access I can get dozens or hundreds of hours of fun from.
The Diablo series to me presented no replay value. I paid 60$ for a game that only offered a main storyline I could play over and over and over, and nothing else. That got tiring very quickly. If I want a story driven scripted game I'll at least spring for something like Skyrim and Skyrim DLC that lasts a bit longer.
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You truly are one of a kind
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I know I'm wrong, a simpleton, and simply a terrible human being, but I got the necromancer pack and have enjoyed it quite a bit so far. Gamewise, I've spent way more for way less. I like PoE, Victor Vran, and Grim Dawn also, but they all feel a little plodding relative to DIII to me. The Torchlight games feel a lot closer as far as gameplay. If I want a game to just get in and bash around for a minute and get out feeling like I accomplished something and didn't have to leave anything unfinished, DIII is the game.
Also, sitting on an mmorpg site and bitching about grindy repetition is cute. Stay entertaining.
Oh, it make sense - if you live in my country.
Are you willing to pay $65 for necro?
Because thats how I feel.
If Blizzard is so 'clever' to think "$15 = €15", then wy they aren't go further with "$15 = €15 = 15 PLN"?
Because right now is "$15 = €15 = 65 PLN".
And two coffee in Poland are not with 65 PLN price tag...
double post, delete
(I do still care enough about the frugality of it all that I waited for the summer sale first to buy some things though but that's more of a "Why not?" kinda thing)
If you are (almost) done with D3, problem isn't the $15 price tag, problem is you don't want to dedicate any more of your time to it.
Of course if it was free you would've checked it out, but you wouldn't be playing it much anyways, so yeah in that case it is over-priced for something you don't want to use.
I got 30 hours out of it so far, and I'm far from done. For my entertainment, this was a bargain.
I know you can unlock Marvel Heroes characters for free as well, but that takes a lot of time and that I can't afford. And I believe the price per character, and character only, is about the same.
Besides all the rationality we like to tread, I know there are a lot of posters who have no interest in the game and are just using this as a new excuse to bash Blizzard. You should be happy too, cause this is considered sort of a free content in your choice of entertainment.
I enjoyed playing the necro, there are a lot of different ways to play the class.
If you talk about only $15 for DLC and not including costs of base game and expansion pack, then with the same analogy I can say that in PoE you can play 100% content for free.
How about that?
2 char slots and 2 premium stash tabs in PoE set you back 140 points, or 14 bucks. So, for just ONE buck Blizzard threw in the Necro class and you got the cosmetics for free, cheap eh?
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Suzie, how can someone in the business of reporting on games be unaware that Blizzard has been hiring for a Diablo project for 2 years now (that we know of)? "Diablo 4" (for lack of a better name) is well under way.
Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
But the same can be said for Diablo 3 -- some people prefer it to other games in the genre. There's nothing wrong with that either.
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