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  • murph0613murph0613 Member CommonPosts: 5

    Renoaku said:

    I agree they dont need to destroy private servers Like I understand there are copyright laws and they are within rights to do it but they might as well license it under certain conditions or something because really Blizzard killed World OF Warcraft what do they expect people want the Old WOW not this cheap stuff Blizzard has came up today which basically shows the decline of MMO games.



    SOME people want the old WoW, and they're usually people who worked hard at building their characters early in the game, only to see newer players in later expansions quickly get to where they took years to grind. I really think it comes down to sour grapes. Given the sheer amount of content in WoW, I think Blizzard has done a good job at modernizing the game so a new player could possibly get through it all, from level 1 to the current max level before the expansion ends.

    At its heart, this game is about a story. Legion does an excellent job joining up several story lines. Running around collecting arrows for a hunter, while a thing you HAD to do way back in the day, doesn't really provide anything for the actual storyline. Their consolidation of talent trees and skills, while it may feel like "dumbing down" to legacy players, is actually just cutting some of the inane corners off so the users can experience the story.

    No game developer in their right mind would let someone else produce a derivative work off of their IP. It's not only illegal, there's really no justification for it that makes any sense. I can appreciate liking older expansions - but in an online game, when they're gone, they're gone. Such is life.
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  • murph0613murph0613 Member CommonPosts: 5

    Herase said:




    Horusra said:



    God damn it I just wanted to play TBC a fucking 10 year old expansion that blizzard no longer provides, on a well scripted server, ffs.



    This disabled developer worked 4 year non stop to create a non profit server (you couldn't even find a donation link or paypal account on their site....) for the TBC fans and gets shutdown on the first few hours.


    Life is hard.  :'(


    And gets harder when you mess with things like IP theft....


    Really? I think the 100+ private still active and those that have been running for several years, while making money of it would say otherwise.

    IP theft is just the excuse, they just see old school private realms as threat. Anything that has a chance of taking a few players, they will wipe um out. Not saying it's not in their right, just seems pity to me



    The people who create the legacy private servers know full well that they are breaking the law when they do so. There is no excuse. There is no justification, especially if they are profiting from it. If they are doing it just for fun, they are only breaking ONE law. If they do it for money, they are breaking several. Either way, it's wrong.

    You should be careful advertising the "100+ profiting private servers" in a public forum, unless you want the IP police to find them, too. Personally, I like Blizzard's WoW franchise enough that I wouldn't jeopardize my account with them by even trying to find and play on an illegal server.

    But that's just me; I respect the law.
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  • AreWeLiveAreWeLive Member UncommonPosts: 202
    edited July 2017
    i do not understand how someone would open server only to close it soon after because the IP owners come knocking...I mean you had to go into this knowing it would happen and should have been ready to battle it out or what is the sense...kids these days, all talk and not willing to back it up. I mean it is a pirate server you are running.....
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    edited July 2017
    You don't want a private server of old content. You think you do, but you don't.
    This is so very true. I recently played the restarted DAOC free shard this year which opened to great fanfare (over 4K online on a single server, 1500+ on Hibernia)

    They delivered a high quality and very "pure" old school DAOC experience slavishly enforcing the 1.69 rule set. (Circa Nov 2002)

    Despite all of that players bled away over the months and just the other evening I checked and it was 457 online with 147 Hibs.  Now the numbers were probably a bit higher as many RVRing go Anon, but I'd be surprised if more than 700 were online.

    Those who remain theorize why everyone left, saying the old school PVE grind was just too long to get to the EVE good stuff.  So Devs caved and added several new battlegrounds, increased experience received from killing other players by 1000%, increased money dropped by players and greatly increased experience in EVE zones including new Bugs.

    So did everyone rush back for the new changes? Nope. I've joined one of the new BGs on my level 41 Druid on several occasions and found myself being the only player in the zone each time and having to suicide on the keep guards to exit.

    So now players are saying Devs need to roll out SO, the next expansion in the series.  Like any progression server I'm sure people will check it out and as always leave once they lose interest.

    No one really enjoys a totally static game experience, not even me as I've largely stopped playing.

    For me it isn't over the PVE, I enjoy leveling new alts, particularly until I find one or more I enjoy doing RVR with.  

    I did not like my first 50, too squishy and a bit boring so I've rolled 2 new alts, one is level 45 and another level 41, both leveled mostly all solo due to the population falloff. 

    But now it's become a challenge to find groups on one character, and though the Druid still gets invites for PVE I really wanted to level her in the new BGs as you can get up to realm rank 3L5 or something like that which will make my entry into lvl 50 EVE much more enjoyable I think.

    So yeah...people may think they want a classic server, but in my recent experience, not so much maybe.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Kyleran said:
    kitarad said:
    They have not been able to get the Elysium vanilla servers though. So they are operating with no repercussions. They are asking for donations too so they are getting money too. Blizzard cannot get them shut down so much for their power.
    Not quite sure how Eylsium continues to operate, but I suspect they are organized in a manner which either makes it difficult to identify the responsible parties or have located their service in a country which won't enforce US legal orders.
    its the Russians
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  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    edited July 2017
    Horusra said:

    Well when something of yours is stolen then your opinion will be valid.  Till then Blizzard can do as they please.
    I don't need to have something stolen to share my opinion and I didn't say they couldn't, even said at the end, They're in the right to do so. I just think if you're going enforce this, don't pick and choose, do it across the board or it comes across as petty.

    murph0613 said:

    The people who create the legacy private servers know full well that they are breaking the law when they do so. There is no excuse. There is no justification, especially if they are profiting from it. If they are doing it just for fun, they are only breaking ONE law. If they do it for money, they are breaking several. Either way, it's wrong.

    You should be careful advertising the "100+ profiting private servers" in a public forum, unless you want the IP police to find them, too. Personally, I like Blizzard's WoW franchise enough that I wouldn't jeopardize my account with them by even trying to find and play on an illegal server.

    But that's just me; I respect the law.
    No need to be careful, these server are one search away and talked about all the time on public boards, even streamers. This isn't some underground hidden site, you need a hacked browser to find.

  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,371
    Due to all of their changes, the game I once loved is no longer an option for me to play.

    If Blizzard would offer classic servers this wouldn't happen like it does.

    Their arrogant insistence that their latest version is their greatest is foolish, and why many have left for other titles. I know I did.

    Who do they think they are with this insistence, Microsoft?!
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  • alivenaliven Member UncommonPosts: 346


    God damn it I just wanted to play TBC a fucking 10 year old expansion that blizzard no longer provides, on a well scripted server, ffs.



    This disabled developer worked 4 year non stop to create a non profit server (you couldn't even find a donation link or paypal account on their site....) for the TBC fans and gets shutdown on the first few hours.



    He worked 4 years to steal Blizzard intelectual property you wanted to say :)
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Kyleran said:
    You don't want a private server of old content. You think you do, but you don't.
    This is so very true. I recently played the restarted DAOC free shard this year which opened to great fanfare (over 4K online on a single server, 1500+ on Hibernia)

    They delivered a high quality and very "pure" old school DAOC experience slavishly enforcing the 1.69 rule set. (Circa Nov 2002)

    Despite all of that players bled away over the months and just the other evening I checked and it was 457 online with 147 Hibs.  Now the numbers were probably a bit higher as many RVRing go Anon, but I'd be surprised if more than 700 were online.

    Those who remain theorize why everyone left, saying the old school PVE grind was just too long to get to the EVE good stuff.  So Devs caved and added several new battlegrounds, increased experience received from killing other players by 1000%, increased money dropped by players and greatly increased experience in EVE zones including new Bugs.

    So did everyone rush back for the new changes? Nope. I've joined one of the new BGs on my level 41 Druid on several occasions and found myself being the only player in the zone each time and having to suicide on the keep guards to exit.

    So now players are saying Devs need to roll out SO, the next expansion in the series.  Like any progression server I'm sure people will check it out and as always leave once they lose interest.

    No one really enjoys a totally static game experience, not even me as I've largely stopped playing.

    For me it isn't over the PVE, I enjoy leveling new alts, particularly until I find one or more I enjoy doing RVR with.  

    I did not like my first 50, too squishy and a bit boring so I've rolled 2 new alts, one is level 45 and another level 41, both leveled mostly all solo due to the population falloff. 

    But now it's become a challenge to find groups on one character, and though the Druid still gets invites for PVE I really wanted to level her in the new BGs as you can get up to realm rank 3L5 or something like that which will make my entry into lvl 50 EVE much more enjoyable I think.

    So yeah...people may think they want a classic server, but in my recent experience, not so much maybe.

    My God , 1500 Hibs , the smell must have been Horrendous
  • rush1984rush1984 Member UncommonPosts: 371
    i wont play wow again unless its vanilla or tbc server, so unless they make a legacy server they can gtfo, i wont play on private server either not after losing all my shit on Nos
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Vexiusx said:
    Good job blizzard, these people are nothing but ordinary thieves most of them trying to make money off someones else hard work trough "donation gear". Good job!
    Not true,i know of some who run the servers out of their own pocket,own money and do not make a single dime and REFUSE any donations of any kind.

    Then the fine line crossed is what it comes.I say this because a lot of these servers are running what we could say are modded versions ,so not the same game.The problem lies in the assets,that is someone else's work not the private servers.

    IMO if they want to mimic Wow in some way,change the skins,change the formula/equations,make enough changes  that would make it no different than Blizzard copying the same template as EQ/EQ2.That is all Blizzard did was copy SOE and add in their own assets and even after Wow was released Blizzard continued to copy SOE ideas an incorporate them into their game.

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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    Blizzard and their fanboys are cancer in the gaming community. I'll be glad when their terrible PR finally blows up in their face. They've seen their last penny from me.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    Blizzard and their fanboys are cancer in the gaming community. I'll be glad when their terrible PR finally blows up in their face. They've seen their last penny from me.
    Not taking either side here, but I'm pretty sure that those who appreciate Blizzard games think the same about those they perceive as "entitled thieves". *shrugs*
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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    SBFord said:
    Blizzard and their fanboys are cancer in the gaming community. I'll be glad when their terrible PR finally blows up in their face. They've seen their last penny from me.
    Not taking either side here, but I'm pretty sure that those who appreciate Blizzard games think the same about those they perceive as "entitled thieves". *shrugs*
    "Entitled thieves" who have been begging Blizzard for years to launch P2P legacy servers.


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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933

    Vexiusx said:

    Good job blizzard, these people are nothing but ordinary thieves most of them trying to make money off someones else hard work trough "donation gear". Good job!



    If only you could inform yourself before typing stuff on forums, wouldn't this be awesome ? Indeed it would.

    FYI the people behind Felmyst didn't ask for a single penny. In fact they even didn't accept donations of any sorts.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited July 2017
    Shodanas said:

    Vexiusx said:

    Good job blizzard, these people are nothing but ordinary thieves most of them trying to make money off someones else hard work trough "donation gear". Good job!



    If only you could inform yourself before typing stuff on forums, wouldn't this be awesome ? Indeed it would.

    FYI the people behind Felmyst didn't ask for a single penny. In fact they even didn't accept donations of any sorts.
    Changes nothing ................... they are still thieves , and to point out , most all private servers fund themselves by selling in game gold to there player base, thru there own seperate GOld services  , doing this avoids the Donation and is harder to track ...Also be very careful , because some them will not only sell you Gold but then also , you put yourself at risk to Identity Theft and or unauthorized charges on your CC
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  • LheiahLheiah Member UncommonPosts: 190
    I have tried the private server scene here in the last couple months for the first time, and the one thing I can say is I enjoy WoW again, it's actually a compelling gameplay experience, again. Yes, stealing is stealing, unless it's not stealing, but I'm not a Blizzard customer anymore and feel I have no legal obligation to them anymore. The legal road these system admins of these private servers choose to take is their responsibility, not mine. I know with yesterday's events; me and the group I play with actions were to change the realm list in the WTF file, roll new characters, and continue playing what we enjoy 5 minutes later, didn't even have download or patch up the version of the game.

    I don't know why Blizzard refuses to support legacy servers, there is no denying there is a demand for it, I have seen the populations on some of these servers, and I can tell you for a fact even the lower level zones are teaming with activity to the point they feel like highways. I do not believe its a resource issue, some of the private servers are very well done with very limited numbers of people working on them.

    If Blizzard would provide legacy servers, I would pay, but they don't provide the game play experience I want, so I don't. I enjoyed WoW up through LK, with Cata and beyond I could not maintain interest and with each expansion quickly quit playing. I guess it's to bad I never got into EQ. /sigh
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    edited July 2017
    Watching people idiotsplain how Blizzard somehow doesn't have the right to their own code because it's old or because they hate whatever WoW is now, helps me understand how the USA is in it's current state.

    It's absolutely ridiculous. If you care so much about a tight nit community how about not build it on top of  a platform that doesn't belong to you without some provisions. If you're going to be a pirate at least be one with sense, not a peon who can't recognize that they ARE a pirate.

    I understand the nostalgia and the desire to go back to how things were but if you wish to bet 4 years on clear cut copyright infringement maybe next time make the thing invite only w/ Fight Club rules.

    Sheesh.
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  • mcrippinsmcrippins Member RarePosts: 1,642
    Renoaku said:
    I agree they dont need to destroy private servers Like I understand there are copyright laws and they are within rights to do it but they might as well license it under certain conditions or something because really Blizzard killed World OF Warcraft what do they expect people want the Old WOW not this cheap stuff Blizzard has came up today which basically shows the decline of MMO games.
    That was an amazing run-on sentence. Cheers to you mate!
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503

    Wizardry said:


    Vexiusx said:

    Good job blizzard, these people are nothing but ordinary thieves most of them trying to make money off someones else hard work trough "donation gear". Good job!


    Not true,i know of some who run the servers out of their own pocket,own money and do not make a single dime and REFUSE any donations of any kind.

    Then the fine line crossed is what it comes.I say this because a lot of these servers are running what we could say are modded versions ,so not the same game.The problem lies in the assets,that is someone else's work not the private servers.

    IMO if they want to mimic Wow in some way,change the skins,change the formula/equations,make enough changes  that would make it no different than Blizzard copying the same template as EQ/EQ2.That is all Blizzard did was copy SOE and add in their own assets and even after Wow was released Blizzard continued to copy SOE ideas an incorporate them into their game.




    Not true, they took ideas from several games that were out (and relatively popular) at the time, they said this in several press releases. This fantasy that they copied EQ1is just hogwash conjured up by people that didn't even game at the time. Since you brought it up, they also realized what people did NOT like about those other games and got rid of that. The only valid argument I have sene to date is they (Blizz) got their idea to start Warcraft from Warhammer, which you would need to be blind or completely ignorant to gaming prior to WoW to not realize there is a modicum to truth in that.

    All in all is was a masterful piece of game design and marketing. One thing people seem to over look all to often (again as I suspect they weren't into gaming at the time) was that WoW was the first game to use a lot of marketing successfully.

    At any rate, intellectual property laws were established for a reason, WoW was scrutinized well beyond release and no theft was determined. Essentially negating your "they copied EQ" argument. Theft is theft, and if you get caught, no matter how noble you envision yourself to be, you are still just a petty thief and should be treated as such.

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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    mcrippins said:
    Renoaku said:
    I agree they dont need to destroy private servers Like I understand there are copyright laws and they are within rights to do it but they might as well license it under certain conditions or something because really Blizzard killed World OF Warcraft what do they expect people want the Old WOW not this cheap stuff Blizzard has came up today which basically shows the decline of MMO games.
    That was an amazing run-on sentence. Cheers to you mate!
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503

    SBFord said:



    Blizzard and their fanboys are cancer in the gaming community. I'll be glad when their terrible PR finally blows up in their face. They've seen their last penny from me.


    Not taking either side here, but I'm pretty sure that those who appreciate Blizzard games think the same about those they perceive as "entitled thieves". *shrugs*



    I am not even a huge fan of Blizz games...well Overwatch is awesome, so ok, but the fact is there are laws for a reason, and that is the side I take, I won't even play the SWG Emu, even though I think that game needs to be brought back, but the simple fact is, they pirated software, they may have "reverse engineered' the code, and spent years doing it, but that does not make it right.

    Hat eBlizz/Love Blizz not the issue, laws are the issue (IMO).
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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    My take on this... the server was plastered all over the internet before launch.  It all but begged to be shut down.  Heck, I doubt if it actually launched, so know one even knows if it was actually a functioning server over the course of the content.  

    Blizzard's first mistake was in trying to do new content (i.e. an expansion) concurrent with it's older content.  Had "vanilla" WoW been left alone, meaning you traveled to a new server or phase to do the new content, it never would have needed to alter the old content.  In fact, they could even have fixed all the remaining issues in the old content had they done so.  People could have chosen to stay in vanilla or rerolled a new toon to do it again, if they so wished.  But no, they overwrote the old content so that it was gone forever.  Hence the desire for private servers... the game that they enjoyed playing once, was now gone from Blizzard's servers.

    They messed up early on and compounded it with each successive expansion.  Sure, you bought a game and got everything from 1-110, but you really only got the current content as everything else was a shade of their former selves.  My sister-in-law started WoW during MoP.  She never even saw the original WoW and often wishes she could have leveled a character in the content as it was.  Imagine if you could preroll on a server that was still running the original TBC or WotLK before all the changes and nerfs?  You can't on retail, it doesn't exist.  Private servers, it does, to a degree.

    Sure people will tire of it, but no more than they tire of current content now.  Are people itching to do low level Legion content now that Argus is here?  No.  So the argument that people will bore of it is moot.  They're bored now, vanilla WoW just might be a nice diversion for a while.  Not an option on retail servers.

    So yes, I am a proponent of private servers because I bought WoW and I'd like to play the game I bought, not what they chose to do to it later.  Would I have bought a Legion version of WoW back then?  Who knows.  All I do know is that I prefer the older versions far more than the newer ones, and if that means playing on a private server, so be it.  It's my only choice because Blizzard refuses to offer it.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004


    I don't get it. They got to have known they were working on something that was illegal. What was their gameplan? Simply stay under the radar and expect blizzard never to notice? Talk about naive and a waste of 4 years time.



    People do crazy things everyday, like the guy who calls the police station because his roommate stole his drugs. Common sense is not that common.
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  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 566
    DMKano said:
    Nikusama said:

    Renoaku said:

    I agree they dont need to destroy private servers Like I understand there are copyright laws and they are within rights to do it but they might as well license it under certain conditions or something because really Blizzard killed World OF Warcraft what do they expect people want the Old WOW not this cheap stuff Blizzard has came up today which basically shows the decline of MMO games.



    Why Blizzard is ignoring such an obvious solution is mystifying. Officially licensed third-party servers would be both a boon to the players and a revenue source. It would also solve the "legacy server" issue nicely as long as Blizzard required third-party operators maintain a certain quality standard.

    Blizzard doesn't want to associate themselves with anything 3rd party as there is a high risk of diminishing even damaging their brand.

    If they don't have direct control over quality including quality of service delivery and gameplay experience - Blizzard won't allow it.

    Not sure why people don't understand this. 


    Blizzard wants to protect what they've worked for 20+ years to accomplish - people see Blizzard and they associate it with AAA production in all aspects. 

    Blizzard doesn't want to tarnish this in any way
    Anyone with a lick of business sense could make a list of reasons why this hasn't happened that would likely include your example.  Thanks for that.

    For most others, the posts telling Blizzard how to operate were cute at first but it's gotten out of hand.  We have every right to describe our hopes and dreams for a game but unless you work for Blizzard and can pitch a real project plan with real data that reinforces why this would be a significant success for the company then keep your lack of business sense to yourself.

    Throwing a tantrum because a company is protecting their assets is not productive and just proves why a company shouldn't listen to you.
    ForgrimmSBFord
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