Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
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Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
When it comes down to development stages, I imagine a lake. Release date is going to be summer and pre-alpha is winter. The amount of bugs equal the coldness of water.
So unless you consider yourself as proud member of Polar Bear Club, don't even think about getting into early-access. You'll freeze your balls off and you wouldn't want to swim in that lake ever again, even in summertime when it's all warm and kind.
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Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
No dude, you and I need to get it through our thick skulls that some people will never figure that out. You said exactly what went through my mind until I got to your post and realized not only have I said it all before again again, you and a few others have too, again again.
The questions is why some studios put themselves through all this hell. It surely can't be worth it. So much more I want to say because it drives me crazy, but it's obviously futile.
I dunno, no offense but I feel you both are far too forgiving of developers selling early access to shit...er I mean unfinished games and then are very critical of people's opinions of it.
Maybe people should know better, but I feel the onus is more on the developers, especially with this title which continues to look more and more like the 4th incarnation of War Z.
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Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
When it comes down to development stages, I imagine a lake. Release date is going to be summer and pre-alpha is winter. The amount of bugs equal the coldness of water.
So unless you consider yourself as proud member of Polar Bear Club, don't even think about getting into early-access. You'll freeze your balls off and you wouldn't want to swim in that lake ever again, even in summertime when it's all warm and kind.
There are proper games in early access with genuinely interesting gameplay even in its raw form and then you have a shitload of pretenders. I can stand frozen lakes because when summer comes it will be a lake. Games like wild west online are better described as frozen polar bear poo and once unfrozen its still just poo.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
Although I don't disagree with you, there's an awful lot of playing fast an loose with terminology these days for marketing purposes to the point that alphas, betas and early access are used in random ways and often mean the same thing.
Once upon a time alpha was something no one ever saw. These days not only are we seeing it but they're even selling access to "pre-alpha."
As far as I'm concerned if they're selling access I'm not going to give them a break because of some random label they put on it. And the reason they label it this way is to discourage refunds based on the fantasy that "it will get much better... no really, much, much better."
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Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
When it comes down to development stages, I imagine a lake. Release date is going to be summer and pre-alpha is winter. The amount of bugs equal the coldness of water.
So unless you consider yourself as proud member of Polar Bear Club, don't even think about getting into early-access. You'll freeze your balls off and you wouldn't want to swim in that lake ever again, even in summertime when it's all warm and kind.
There are proper games in early access with genuinely interesting gameplay even in its raw form and then you have a shitload of pretenders. I can stand frozen lakes because when summer comes it will be a lake. Games like wild west online are better described as frozen polar bear poo and once unfrozen its still just poo.
Yeah I understand that. There has to be a lake. Some sell a small shithole of a pond in their backyard as @ lake. Although that too is frozen during winter. But that's not the main fucking issue!
I was making a general statement. I have no idea how this game is though.
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This game is really going to struggle to surface under the massive shadow of RDR2, under this early stage it's going to be crucified and compared with no mercy against it.
Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
No dude, you and I need to get it through our thick skulls that some people will never figure that out. You said exactly what went through my mind until I got to your post and realized not only have I said it all before again again, you and a few others have too, again again.
The questions is why some studios put themselves through all this hell. It surely can't be worth it. So much more I want to say because it drives me crazy, but it's obviously futile.
Maybe it's not other people that need to "figure it out".
From their FAQ: Q: I assume you're gearing up for a late fall Q4 release? A: Right now our public plan is to release the game before the end of the year, i.e. before December 31st, 2017.
This is also confirmed on the order page where it says December 2017.
So you can wordsmith whatever you like and call it Pre-Alpha, or call it primordial ooze... Bottom line is that they plan to release in 3 months. More importantly, their deadline to refund is Sept 27th. This "Pre-Alpha" is what THEY have chosen to force customers to use to decide if the game is going to succeed.
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Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
No dude, you and I need to get it through our thick skulls that some people will never figure that out. You said exactly what went through my mind until I got to your post and realized not only have I said it all before again again, you and a few others have too, again again.
The questions is why some studios put themselves through all this hell. It surely can't be worth it. So much more I want to say because it drives me crazy, but it's obviously futile.
Maybe it's not other people that need to "figure it out".
From their FAQ: Q: I assume you're gearing up for a late fall Q4 release? A: Right now our public plan is to release the game before the end of the year, i.e. before December 31st, 2017.
This is also confirmed on the order page where it says December 2017.
So you can wordsmith whatever you like and call it Pre-Alpha, or call it primordial ooze... Bottom line is that they plan to release in 3 months. More importantly, their deadline to refund is Sept 27th. This "Pre-Alpha" is what THEY have chosen to force customers to use to decide if the game is going to succeed.
I think I have enough drama with more solid projects with more reputable people behind them. Hence I've decided to stay away from crowdfunded MMOs until I play one of them POST RELEASE. So this one is a no-go for me until it is released and reviewed.
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"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
Sergey Titov gives game devs a bad name. wouldn't touch anything from him or anything hes part of.
“No, Sergey Titov is not involved in the development of this game, but yes we use a game engine developed and supported by one of his companies. Do your homeworks. The game looks really bad though.
Sergey Titov gives game devs a bad name. wouldn't touch anything from him or anything hes part of.
“No, Sergey Titov is not involved in the development of this game, but yes we use a game engine developed and supported by one of his companies. Do your homeworks. The game looks really bad though.
Er....then he is involved in some way, even if indirectly.
BTW, his game engine has never been used to deliver a successful, high quality game.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Sergey Titov gives game devs a bad name. wouldn't touch anything from him or anything hes part of.
“No, Sergey Titov is not involved in the development of this game, but yes we use a game engine developed and supported by one of his companies. Do your homeworks. The game looks really bad though.
Er....then he is involved in some way, even if indirectly.
BTW, his game engine has never been used to deliver a successful, high quality game.
But feel free to buy in....
Oh, I agree with you, 100%. I'm just saying , he's not part of the devs making that ....game.
Then there were some serious bugs,such bugs that it tells me they put a crappy effort if any into inside testing before getting it out to the public.Stuck /stationary horses,how could that slip by the coders?
You and others really need to learn what pre-alpha/alpha is.
"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
No dude, you and I need to get it through our thick skulls that some people will never figure that out. You said exactly what went through my mind until I got to your post and realized not only have I said it all before again again, you and a few others have too, again again.
The questions is why some studios put themselves through all this hell. It surely can't be worth it. So much more I want to say because it drives me crazy, but it's obviously futile.
yeah, I sometimes feel like I'm a broken record (for those people who know what this is).
@Kyleran: I agree, Developers do themselves a disservice in the long run as they need to learn that what they release is going to be considered "just about finished game".
@Iselin: too true, once upon a midnight dreary an alpha was an alpha as was a beta. I cut them some slack as funding seems to be one of the hardest things for small developers these days. I still only give money to games/projects that I think will actually be finished (and that's few and far in between - so far so good on the finished games/projects) but sure, there can easily be smarmy game developers who think "we'll just do what we can in order to get money and if we don't finish, at least we can put it on our "resumes".
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I bought the collector edition, I try the alpha for 5 min, log out, uninstall, now I though about refund, but I already told the forum peoples that I wont. but I do now lol
I bought the collector edition, I try the alpha for 5 min, log out, uninstall, now I though about refund, but I already told the forum peoples that I wont. but I do now lol
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"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
Funny how an unfinished game keeps rerolling as an Alpha just by changing the theme and title of the game.
Sadly being promoted by MMORPG.com.
Hardly promoted. We've put up news about a game that people have been and maybe still are very interested in. A big portion of the community has wanted a wild west themed game and this one had potential. Writing news about a game that suits some people's notions of what they'd like to see is hardly promotion.
Funny how an unfinished game keeps rerolling as an Alpha just by changing the theme and title of the game.
Sadly being promoted by MMORPG.com.
This part bothers me as well,this site promotes EVERYTHING,every last sponsor or ad it gets sent ,they post it.Then quite often they act like they actually care about the game and start spewing nonsense about how they like or love something in the game.
Then i get dumbasses who complain if i complain ,well if i keep seeing total garbage or way over rated games,i will call a spade a spade,a pile of junk not worth supporting. WAY too many devs ,seems like all of them are doing this garbage of releasing games before they deserve to be because they see everyday as MONEY/profits instead of seeing a really well put together game. I have been saying it forever,as long as these devs keep acting like a business first and developer second,we will not get quality games.I don't think it any surprise the best games out there are the most costly but not because of development costs only but also because of marketing.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I am seeing an industry of thousands of developers,likely even more than a million,i am also seeing about 1% as decent quality.So if anyone wonders why so negative,do the simple math,i am going to see 1-5 quality game for about every 100,000 games that do not deserve to be supported.
The Wild West did an expected good job of marketing and setting up a cool video or two but it is the actual game that matters to me,your not going to fool me with marketing. Even if this team were to really put some work and effort into this game so it comes off as more than another blank space survival game with a different skin "wild west skin"i still will not be happy.WHY? easy,they already tried to scam consumers ,trying to sell some half assed junk in hopes of making some tidy profits while not finishing a game properly.
As a consumer,you get one chance with me,try to scam me and your not making a sale at ANY point.If you want to release a pile of junk for FREE "no cash shop" i am perfectly fine with that as that is a TRUE testing phase,work with the gamer's to get the game in a quality state BEFORE asking for money.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Funny how an unfinished game keeps rerolling as an Alpha just by changing the theme and title of the game.
Sadly being promoted by MMORPG.com.
This part bothers me as well,this site promotes EVERYTHING,every last sponsor or ad it gets sent ,they post it.Then quite often they act like they actually care about the game and start spewing nonsense about how they like or love something in the game.
Then i get dumbasses who complain if i complain ,well if i keep seeing total garbage or way over rated games,i will call a spade a spade,a pile of junk not worth supporting. WAY too many devs ,seems like all of them are doing this garbage of releasing games before they deserve to be because they see everyday as MONEY/profits instead of seeing a really well put together game. I have been saying it forever,as long as these devs keep acting like a business first and developer second,we will not get quality games.I don't think it any surprise the best games out there are the most costly but not because of development costs only but also because of marketing.
Why don't you contact mmorpg.com and ask them to sponsor an article about your upcoming game without announcing it as a sponsored article. Then share the results.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
If this game had a release date of December 2018, I'd be agreeing with all the "What did you expect from an alpha game" comments.
But it's supposedly launching in 3 months time !
Given that small detail, the state of this "alpha" game is atrocious.
Everything about it has "Sergey Titov" written all over it. I'm actually starting to admire him in a weird sort of way, He's got a talent for exploiting gullible gamers, and it seems to work every time...
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"more effort" to erase all bugs is essentially Beta to launch.
So yeah, if it's not "one bug" it will be another that will catch your eye. I suggest being smart about it.
If you know it's "pre-alpha" streaming then expect "pre-alpha/alpha level of everything". done. Not hard. I'm not saying the game will be great. I am saying that one needs to actually understand what one is looking at.
And if looking at pre-alpha/alpha footage is going to be too much to handle then don't. Again, "done". Not hard.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
So unless you consider yourself as proud member of Polar Bear Club, don't even think about getting into early-access. You'll freeze your balls off and you wouldn't want to swim in that lake ever again, even in summertime when it's all warm and kind.
Maybe people should know better, but I feel the onus is more on the developers, especially with this title which continues to look more and more like the 4th incarnation of War Z.
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Once upon a time alpha was something no one ever saw. These days not only are we seeing it but they're even selling access to "pre-alpha."
As far as I'm concerned if they're selling access I'm not going to give them a break because of some random label they put on it. And the reason they label it this way is to discourage refunds based on the fantasy that "it will get much better... no really, much, much better."
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I was making a general statement. I have no idea how this game is though.
From their FAQ:
Q: I assume you're gearing up for a late fall Q4 release?
A: Right now our public plan is to release the game before the end of the year, i.e. before December 31st, 2017.
This is also confirmed on the order page where it says December 2017.
So you can wordsmith whatever you like and call it Pre-Alpha, or call it primordial ooze... Bottom line is that they plan to release in 3 months. More importantly, their deadline to refund is Sept 27th. This "Pre-Alpha" is what THEY have chosen to force customers to use to decide if the game is going to succeed.
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Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
BTW, his game engine has never been used to deliver a successful, high quality game.
But feel free to buy in....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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Oh, I agree with you, 100%. I'm just saying , he's not part of the devs making that ....game.
Sadly being promoted by MMORPG.com.
@Kyleran: I agree, Developers do themselves a disservice in the long run as they need to learn that what they release is going to be considered "just about finished game".
@Iselin: too true, once upon a midnight dreary an alpha was an alpha as was a beta. I cut them some slack as funding seems to be one of the hardest things for small developers these days. I still only give money to games/projects that I think will actually be finished (and that's few and far in between - so far so good on the finished games/projects) but sure, there can easily be smarmy game developers who think "we'll just do what we can in order to get money and if we don't finish, at least we can put it on our "resumes".
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Then i get dumbasses who complain if i complain ,well if i keep seeing total garbage or way over rated games,i will call a spade a spade,a pile of junk not worth supporting.
WAY too many devs ,seems like all of them are doing this garbage of releasing games before they deserve to be because they see everyday as MONEY/profits instead of seeing a really well put together game.
I have been saying it forever,as long as these devs keep acting like a business first and developer second,we will not get quality games.I don't think it any surprise the best games out there are the most costly but not because of development costs only but also because of marketing.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The Wild West did an expected good job of marketing and setting up a cool video or two but it is the actual game that matters to me,your not going to fool me with marketing.
Even if this team were to really put some work and effort into this game so it comes off as more than another blank space survival game with a different skin "wild west skin"i still will not be happy.WHY? easy,they already tried to scam consumers ,trying to sell some half assed junk in hopes of making some tidy profits while not finishing a game properly.
As a consumer,you get one chance with me,try to scam me and your not making a sale at ANY point.If you want to release a pile of junk for FREE "no cash shop" i am perfectly fine with that as that is a TRUE testing phase,work with the gamer's to get the game in a quality state BEFORE asking for money.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
But it's supposedly launching in 3 months time !
Given that small detail, the state of this "alpha" game is atrocious.
Everything about it has "Sergey Titov" written all over it. I'm actually starting to admire him in a weird sort of way, He's got a talent for exploiting gullible gamers, and it seems to work every time...