Balance patch 9.1 Review and Thoughts - Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Video Podcast

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Balance patch 9.1 Review and Thoughts - Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Video Podcast

Hearthstone was recently updated to v9.1 with a number of big changes to some older cards and much more. Davrim Gaming takes a look at those changes and offers thoughts on the way to a review of what's changed in the game.

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Thupli

Yeah, a TCG where you spent tons of money on a good card only to have it nerfed? Yeah, I will never play/pay that type of game.

IceAge

Thupli said:

Yeah, a TCG where you spent tons of money on a good card only to have it nerfed? Yeah, I will never play/pay that type of game.

It's called Balance , if you are not familiar with the term. You .. "find" it in any other game out there .

Yes, even on games where you pay "tons of money".

Thupli

IceAge said:

Thupli said:

Yeah, a TCG where you spent tons of money on a good card only to have it nerfed? Yeah, I will never play/pay that type of game.

It's called Balance , if you are not familiar with the term. You .. "find" it in any other game out there .



Yes, even on games where you pay "tons of money".

When you pay for cards as a resource, having their value changed is a big deal. That is not the same as a mmo balance. By necessity you need to be really, really spot on in a TCG.

I like Gorwe's insight.

IceAge

Thupli said:

IceAge said:

Thupli said:

Yeah, a TCG where you spent tons of money on a good card only to have it nerfed? Yeah, I will never play/pay that type of game.

It's called Balance , if you are not familiar with the term. You .. "find" it in any other game out there .





Yes, even on games where you pay "tons of money".

When you pay for cards as a resource, having their value changed is a big deal. That is not the same as a mmo balance. By necessity you need to be really, really spot on in a TCG.



I like Gorwe's insight.

As Dev's said, they try very hard not to balance the cards before they go in Hall of Fame ( or something ) , which happens yearly.

Secondly , they balance cards very rarely , if the situation is seriously in need for a balance ( which in this case it really was ).

Third(ly) Is a Video Game ( hope you read that well ) and as such , balance is a normal thing. If it was a .. real life TCG game, then .. yeah , we wouldn't have this conversation .

Stop looking for problems somewhere which you shouldn't. If you would of played the game, you would realize that out of 5 cards , 3 which were Balance are card you get them for free ( amazing right? ) and 2 which costs 500 dust to craft , which is nothing.

So yeah! Less QQ , more common sense please ..

IceAge

SedrynTyros said:

This used to be one of my favorite games but I haven't played it in over a year and probably never will again.

So! You didn't played the game in over a year, but you surely know that Druids have been ... destroyed heh? Wow.

Used to be one of your favorite, but here you are , after a year has passed since you played the game , making false statements. You are not entitled to give an opinion on the current state of the game.

Let me give you an exemple of how powerful were aggro Druids.

First turn : 2x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Hydra , 1x Enchanted Raven . That means on first turn, he would have 6 mana = 1x Hydra 8/8 and 1x Enchanted Raven 2/2 . Fight that please.

Ok, another exemple :

First turn : 1x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Vicious Fledgling , 1x Mark of Lotus ( or 1x Bloodsail Corsair ). That means he would have 4 mana = 1x Vicious Fledgling ( 3/3 - I do hope you know what this minion...skill is ) + 1x Mark of Lotus ( 1/1 to all minions or 1/2 Bloodsail Corsair + 1/1 Patches ) . Fight that please.

So yeah! You know nothing. Go back to your other games please.

Wizardry

The example used would happen so rarely it would not be a major concern.
The REAL reason and i am an avid player,i see everything that is going on inside of HS,is bitter sore loser players.

The same thing happened to the Hunter class and since nerfed,Hunter has never been a tier 1 class.It was laughable because the cries of a bunch of 1/1 dogs while drawing cards with a Buzzard was considered OP yet the best deck in the game at the time "Miracle Rogue"was sometimes drawing 5/6/7 cards and was the number 1 legend deck and never got nerfed until much later "gadgetzan nerf".

So now what has happened is the so called Druid outcries.oh Druid is too op bla bla.Well Innervate was not a Jade druid problem as described in the example,it was the AGGRO druid deck with the possibility of Innervating out the Fledgling.

I have said this from day 1,NO CARD is op if you give the players the ANSWERS,able to respond to plays.Well we got the Geiet card that removes the 1/1's from Jade Druid,that is quite a significant card.I used it and won versus Jade Druid with just a makeshift deck,nothing really amazing.

We have seen a couple other answer cards like Eater of Secrets but no class wide answer for the 1/5 taunt card.Priest a class i consider to be tier 1 does have the answer,a card that kills all 2 or less attack cards,so it can wipe the entire set of 1/5 taunts with 1 card.This is the kind of answers ALL classes need access to ,then the game becomes Fair and no nerfs needed.

As right now a MUCH bigger problem and that is that all of the new legend cards,well most are quite OP and NONE of the classes have an answer other than 1 card not used that stops ALL hero powers from being used.Kill that card however and nothing is stopped.

If you understand everything i said then you will realize the REAL problem is that Blizzard does not have a team doing a good enough job,their concern lies too much in creating these op cards to make sales,then too lazy to make new cards they simply take the LAZY approach and nerf those cards.

IceAge

SedrynTyros said:

IceAge said:

SedrynTyros said:

This used to be one of my favorite games but I haven't played it in over a year and probably never will again.

So! You didn't played the game in over a year, but you surely know that Druids have been ... destroyed heh? Wow.

Used to be one of your favorite, but here you are , after a year has passed since you played the game , making false statements. You are not entitled to give an opinion on the current state of the game.

Let me give you an exemple of how powerful were aggro Druids.

First turn : 2x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Hydra , 1x Enchanted Raven . That means on first turn, he would have 6 mana = 1x Hydra 8/8 and 1x Enchanted Raven 2/2 . Fight that please.

Ok, another exemple :

First turn : 1x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Vicious Fledgling , 1x Mark of Lotus ( or 1x Bloodsail Corsair ). That means he would have 4 mana = 1x Vicious Fledgling ( 3/3 - I do hope you know what this minion...skill is ) + 1x Mark of Lotus ( 1/1 to all minions or 1/2 Bloodsail Corsair + 1/1 Patches ) . Fight that please.

So yeah! You know nothing. Go back to your other games please.

I know that the game used to be great but now it's ass because the developers aren't very good at their job.  I know that much.  

And the guy in the video is correct; Innervate should not be nerfed.  Ramp is part of the core Druid identity.  Nerfing it is supremely stupid but it's not really that much more stupid than the dozens of other bad decisions the developers have made so I'm not surprised by it.

I didn't watch the video , because I know better how those cards affects the game play , since normally , I rank 2 or 3 at the end of the season and so , I think I have a pretty better view of how things work.

If you say "i know it used to be great but now it's ass" , without playing it in over a year, and you QQ for a  ... present "problem" , makes your point very invalid. 

Also , you do know , if you are keep saying "game sucks now" , that Druids , as a class was not actually nerved? It was nerfed the aggro deck  ( which btw, is still very competitive ) . There are at least 2 other very competitive Druid decks, which I believe are the strongest in the game, even with those "nerfs" you are talking about.

Jade Druid is still super strong and I don't think there is any other build who can compete, at the same level, with Jade Druids. So Druids decks are still the most powerful decks out there. 

So I am telling you again : You really don't know anything about HS, so stop commenting on a game which you didn't play in over a year.

Wizardry

Thupli said:

Yeah, a TCG where you spent tons of money on a good card only to have it nerfed? Yeah, I will never play/pay that type of game.

This is exactly what they do,they create the sales then nerf hose cards.An entire set revolved around 1 major card,the story was based on that one card,they had to nerf it because was too OP.
that one card was Reno Jackson,an entire set devoted to him and they had to nerf it lmao,sad Blizzard sad.

Then they think they are  doing us a favor when they were offering us a chance to DUST cards they nerf,well that only takes into account that ONE CARD,how about people trying to create an entire deck and spent lots more to attain all the cards they needed?

I have not noticed anything by Blizzard this time to give us Dust back ,instead they are just pushing  the envelope as far as they can figuring we won't say anything.It would take some websites and a large outcry to get Blizzard to act PROPERLY and FAIRLY.You know we won't get the websites involved they are in partner with Blizzard and the too many people are too passive.

All in all Blizzard's business practices are VERY sketchy.

IceAge

Wizardry said:

The example used would happen so rarely it would not be a major concern.
The REAL reason and i am an avid player,i see everything that is going on inside of HS,is bitter sore loser players.

The same thing happened to the Hunter class and since nerfed,Hunter has never been a tier 1 class.It was laughable because the cries of a bunch of 1/1 dogs while drawing cards with a Buzzard was considered OP yet the best deck in the game at the time "Miracle Rogue"was sometimes drawing 5/6/7 cards and was the number 1 legend deck and never got nerfed until much later "gadgetzan nerf".

So now what has happened is the so called Druid outcries.oh Druid is too op bla bla.Well Innervate was not a Jade druid problem as described in the example,it was the AGGRO druid deck with the possibility of Innervating out the Fledgling.

I have said this from day 1,NO CARD is op if you give the players the ANSWERS,able to respond to plays.Well we got the Geiet card that removes the 1/1's from Jade Druid,that is quite a significant card.I used it and won versus Jade Druid with just a makeshift deck,nothing really amazing.

We have seen a couple other answer cards like Eater of Secrets but no class wide answer for the 1/5 taunt card.Priest a class i consider to be tier 1 does have the answer,a card that kills all 2 or less attack cards,so it can wipe the entire set of 1/5 taunts with 1 card.This is the kind of answers ALL classes need access to ,then the game becomes Fair and no nerfs needed.

As right now a MUCH bigger problem and that is that all of the new legend cards,well most are quite OP and NONE of the classes have an answer other than 1 card not used that stops ALL hero powers from being used.Kill that card however and nothing is stopped.

If you understand everything i said then you will realize the REAL problem is that Blizzard does not have a team doing a good enough job,their concern lies too much in creating these op cards to make sales,then too lazy to make new cards they simply take the LAZY approach and nerf those cards.

You are so fucking wrong on so many points you just added here. Adding the Geiet card in your deck just for Druids IS wrong, and even so , is a RNG game , so that makes you very dependent on that one card alone, which you may or may not "pull" it from your deck early enough, which then .. it makes that card useless. 

Secondly , how about Shamans? Having Geiet card in your deck makes your Evolve cards ...vanish too, which then makes your build to .. "vanish" too. See the problem with Geiet card? Not to say if you are not playing against a Druid , it makes it very useless , since its a 6 mana cost card with 4/6 stats. 

1/5 Taunt(s) Card you are talking about is not really really that easy for Priests ... to counter it ( yet again, you are talking about 1 class alone , what about the other 8? ) . You know why ? Because now Druids uses their 1/1 to all minions card + .. I forgot the name , that minion which gives 2/2 to all Taunt minions . Now .. you were saying ?!

Exactly! 

Balancing cards it's OK, no matter what you or some other QQ-ers say. 

IceAge

SedrynTyros said:

IceAge said:

SedrynTyros said:

IceAge said:

SedrynTyros said:

This used to be one of my favorite games but I haven't played it in over a year and probably never will again.

So! You didn't played the game in over a year, but you surely know that Druids have been ... destroyed heh? Wow.

Used to be one of your favorite, but here you are , after a year has passed since you played the game , making false statements. You are not entitled to give an opinion on the current state of the game.

Let me give you an exemple of how powerful were aggro Druids.

First turn : 2x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Hydra , 1x Enchanted Raven . That means on first turn, he would have 6 mana = 1x Hydra 8/8 and 1x Enchanted Raven 2/2 . Fight that please.

Ok, another exemple :

First turn : 1x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Vicious Fledgling , 1x Mark of Lotus ( or 1x Bloodsail Corsair ). That means he would have 4 mana = 1x Vicious Fledgling ( 3/3 - I do hope you know what this minion...skill is ) + 1x Mark of Lotus ( 1/1 to all minions or 1/2 Bloodsail Corsair + 1/1 Patches ) . Fight that please.

So yeah! You know nothing. Go back to your other games please.

I know that the game used to be great but now it's ass because the developers aren't very good at their job.  I know that much.  

And the guy in the video is correct; Innervate should not be nerfed.  Ramp is part of the core Druid identity.  Nerfing it is supremely stupid but it's not really that much more stupid than the dozens of other bad decisions the developers have made so I'm not surprised by it.

.... , so stop commenting on a game which you didn't play in over a year.

The reason why I stopped playing is the game went to shit.  If it was still a good game, I'd still be playing, along with a number of other streamers who saw what I did and left not too long after.

Why the fuck I am still responding to you? So you ignore everything I say about the topic ( nerfs ) and the fact that you have no right to comment , yet .. you are just bullshitting me with pathetic answers. 

The so called "other" streams didn't change a thing , did they? Is still one of the most played game on Twitch. So again you are wrong. But keep .. telling yourself that you are right , without playing and knowing the game , that others who play and know the game are wrong.

IceAge

SedrynTyros said:

IceAge said:

SedrynTyros said:

IceAge said:

SedrynTyros said:

IceAge said:

SedrynTyros said:

This used to be one of my favorite games but I haven't played it in over a year and probably never will again.

So! You didn't played the game in over a year, but you surely know that Druids have been ... destroyed heh? Wow.

Used to be one of your favorite, but here you are , after a year has passed since you played the game , making false statements. You are not entitled to give an opinion on the current state of the game.

Let me give you an exemple of how powerful were aggro Druids.

First turn : 2x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Hydra , 1x Enchanted Raven . That means on first turn, he would have 6 mana = 1x Hydra 8/8 and 1x Enchanted Raven 2/2 . Fight that please.

Ok, another exemple :

First turn : 1x Innervate , 1x Coin , 1x Vicious Fledgling , 1x Mark of Lotus ( or 1x Bloodsail Corsair ). That means he would have 4 mana = 1x Vicious Fledgling ( 3/3 - I do hope you know what this minion...skill is ) + 1x Mark of Lotus ( 1/1 to all minions or 1/2 Bloodsail Corsair + 1/1 Patches ) . Fight that please.

So yeah! You know nothing. Go back to your other games please.

I know that the game used to be great but now it's ass because the developers aren't very good at their job.  I know that much.  

And the guy in the video is correct; Innervate should not be nerfed.  Ramp is part of the core Druid identity.  Nerfing it is supremely stupid but it's not really that much more stupid than the dozens of other bad decisions the developers have made so I'm not surprised by it.

.... , so stop commenting on a game which you didn't play in over a year.

The reason why I stopped playing is the game went to shit.  If it was still a good game, I'd still be playing, along with a number of other streamers who saw what I did and left not too long after.

Why the fuck I am still responding to you? So you ignore everything I say about the topic ( nerfs ) and the fact that you have no right to comment , yet .. you are just bullshitting me with pathetic answers. 

The so called "other" streams didn't change a thing , did they? Is still one of the most played game on Twitch. So again you are wrong. But keep .. telling yourself that you are right , without playing and knowing the game , that others who play and know the game are wrong.

Hey, if you're still enjoying it, all power to you, but the Hearthstone I enjoyed died with Wrath of the Old Gods.  It took some people longer than others to realize it, but Blizzard just doesn't have a handle on the game.  There are some core design decisions that will forever haunt Hearthstone and Blizzard is showing no signs of addressing those issues.  But if you and the other millions are still enjoying yourselves, then great.  That's the whole point of playing a game after all.

Finally, a decent reply worth your name.