Why is this game online ?

delete5230

It seems the only attraction is pvp.  Seems like a single player experience.  Can a player do everything alone if it were offline ?

I have yet to see a topic where players are playing with anyone, all YouTubes people are alone !!

I can't prove it but MOST players don't like the PvP....... So why is this game online ? 

This is NOT at troll post, I'm totally serious.  Why the hell is this game online ? 

jmcdermottuk

It's a Korean MMO so you have to consider the original target audience. They love their PvP in the East. Lineage was a multi million user service way before WoW arrived. All of the big titles to come out of the east have PvP at their core, be it open world, guild vs guild or whatever. Very rarely you'll see one with restrictions beyond reaching a certain level before your PvP flag defaults to On.

delete5230

jmcdermottuk said:

It's a Korean MMO so you have to consider the original target audience. They love their PvP in the East. Lineage was a multi million user service way before WoW arrived. All of the big titles to come out of the east have PvP at their core, be it open world, guild vs guild or whatever. Very rarely you'll see one with restrictions beyond reaching a certain level before your PvP flag defaults to On.

So what your saying is BDO is a single player experience and a separate individual game that has nothing to do with PvP.  HOWEVER at any given time a player can spend money in the cash shop and play a different game that is PvP. 

And this is how the Asians do it ?

Gdemami

delete5230 said:

This is NOT at troll post, I'm totally serious.

Those two aren't mutually exclusive....

Thebeasttt

First decent thread this guy has made. BDO feels completely pointless as you afk autopath from quest to quest, progress while offline and solo 99% of the time. They might as well make it single player and toss in a battleground que. Such a far cry from the sandbox it was supposed to be.

Jakobmiller

To me, this game is worse than a singleplayer game. I play Online games to play with others. To meet others and co-operate. BDO is a singleplayer experience with others doing the same thing as you, but you don't really benefit by doing something together. It's very sad, really. Could otherwise have been a pretty darn decent MMO.

Hefaistos

IF this game is very bad why its the most played pvp mmorpg atm ? 

Thebeasttt

Hefaistos said:

IF this game is very bad why its the most played pvp mmorpg atm ? 

For the same reason Justin Bieber has some of the best selling albums of all time, bad taste.

KnightFalz

Recently there forums just the other day one of the complaints was the lack of pvp, so at least to some there what is supposed to be the major attraction is lacking.

What was mentioned as the attraction by many was the life skills, and thus I assume at least partly the economy for those that delight in crafting, which wouldn't work single player. BDO supports this kind of play differently from other MMORPGs.

Since it appears you can now be immune to PvP if you don't do a particular quest at level 50, it can provide a sandbox-like experience without having to fight other players as the character levels sacrificed may not be as important to someone that prefers life skills.

As for story quests, dungeons, and the like, you can get in the majority of games with a PvE element. If that was what the life skill players wanted they would have just played those games and not put up with the forced PvP they used to have to endure.

The reason it is online is that it wouldn't work otherwise, because even though the life skills can be used alone they ultimately depend on and result in interaction with others. Why gather materials without crafters to sell them to? Why craft without buyers for your wares? Why train horses if there is no market for them?

There is plenty of PvE in BDO, just not the story, dungeony, raidy kind.

Hefaistos

Thebeasttt said:

Hefaistos said:

IF this game is very bad why its the most played pvp mmorpg atm ? 

For the same reason Justin Bieber has some of the best selling albums of all time, bad taste.

Not really. Fans have options. We have what? ESO and Cyrodiil and 4vs4vs4? WOW? GW2 and EB ? neah. They added a FREE FOR ALL CHANNEL. Its the best place to be in 2017 if u have gear and balls.

Kyleran

Hefaistos said:

IF this game is very bad why its the most played pvp mmorpg atm ? 

Out of curiosity,  where are you getting this information from?

Links would be appeciated.

Kyleran

Hefaistos said:

Thebeasttt said:

Hefaistos said:

IF this game is very bad why its the most played pvp mmorpg atm ? 

For the same reason Justin Bieber has some of the best selling albums of all time, bad taste.

Not really. Fans have options. We have what? ESO and Cyrodiil and 4vs4vs4? WOW? GW2 and EB ? neah. They added a FREE FOR ALL CHANNEL. Its the best place to be in 2017 if u have gear and balls.

Another question, in this FFA "channel" you win or lose exactly what?

Gear, cash, reputation or something else? 

mgilbrtsn

Auction house; interaction with friends; high level group bosses; interaction with friends... Yes I said it twice.  Even if you could do everything alone.  It can be nice to chat with ppl while doing it.  Or just grouping up and doing it together for comraderie.  

Octagon7711

I wouldn't mind if every MMO also made a single player version.  I've seen a few RPGs become MMO, how about the other way around.

FlyByKnight

They messed up the original purpose of BDO to appease the PVE audience. Instead of giving them what they needed from the ground up they just stripped PVP things away but not the PVP. This made the entire product silly IMO.

It would be better served to be offline or maybe 3-4 more players join in ala Borderlands 2.

I was hoping for BDO to be more like Archeage but better, but that did not happen.

I agree with OP though, I have NEVER seen a group in BDO twitch streams or videos, ever. EVER. Maybe zergs to kill world boss or something but never people playing together.

Mikeha

How do I pvp other players in a single player game?


Also a game does not even need PVE to be an online game. 

Talonsin

I play with a group of friends and we do farming, trading and horse breeding/catching.  We have plenty of fun.  Just because most people tend to play it solo does not mean it can not be a fun group experience. 

Octagon7711

Mikeha said:

How do I pvp other players in a single player game?


Also a game does not even need PVE to be an online game. 

Co-op.

Albatroes

I thought most people dont open world pvp that much in this game anyway? If that's true, to me it sounds like AA minus as much pvp, so it could be most played in that sense since AA was pretty popular until the p2w

Mikeha

Octagon7711 said:

Mikeha said:

How do I pvp other players in a single player game?


Also a game does not even need PVE to be an online game. 

Co-op.

Not made in 1995. 

Kyleran

Single biggest reason, much easier to sell cash shop items in online games vs single player, you need an audience to show off all your cool stuff to.

Also single player titles usually require well made and engaging PVE content, online games not so much, just need to load them up with multiple grind mechanics.

BDO has both bases well covered.

delete5230

KnightFalz said:

The reason it is online is that it wouldn't work otherwise, because even though the life skills can be used alone they ultimately depend on and result in interaction with others. Why gather materials without crafters to sell them to? Why craft without buyers for your wares? Why train horses if there is no market for them?

There is plenty of PvE in BDO, just not the story, dungeony, raidy kind.

Ultimately depends on interaction of others...... This is the trick ! 


All mmos have trading, it's always been part of mmos.  It's always been an extra thing in the back round.

BUT a game that should be off line, trading is interwoven to keep the game "hostage" as online !

BDO should be an offline game.

cheyane

What is your problem with Black Desert Online OP. I mean you have come on the threads discussing this game just to deride it. Why do you feel threatened by the success of this game that you need to start these threads about a game just to  invalidate it in some way. Not going to discuss why this game has to be online because you're trolling.

delete5230

cheyane said:

What is your problem with Black Desert Online OP. I mean you have come on the threads discussing this game just to deride it. Why do you feel threatened by the success of this game that you need to start these threads about a game just to  invalidate it in some way. Not going to discuss why this game has to be online because you're trolling.

Ok Chyeyane,

I'll give my honest opinion of my anger. The bottom line is both I and MANY OTHERS are searching for a community based game. One that has a difficulty level where you depend on others.  If you notice I don't use the words " old school ".  Their is a reason for that, because mmos changed and I'm absolutely convinced developers changed this with the help of marketing.  So it's not because of players desires.  Asian mmos with cash shops have been in the back round since the age of time.  NO ONE IN THE WEST PLAYED THEM.  Their popular now because nothing is the west is being developed because of the re-molding of what we have now. 

So yes I'm mad.  I'm fighting city hall.  I guess you can say "I'm sticking it to the man". 

I'm really not an angary person, it's only mmos..... I'll try much harder to be nicer (try), but I'm still mad about this as hell ! 

axtranti

Thebeasttt said:

Hefaistos said:

IF this game is very bad why its the most played pvp mmorpg atm ? 

For the same reason Justin Bieber has some of the best selling albums of all time, bad taste.

Targets different audience, you have yet to realize western and eastern gaming market are completely different. I know you might like your dungeon crawler 123 world of warcraft type, just because BDO isn't your type doesn't make it bad. Teenagers like Justin Beiber, let it be... who freaking cares? Can't let it go? Well, that's just like... your personal problem, grow out of it.

axtranti

delete5230 said:

cheyane said:

What is your problem with Black Desert Online OP. I mean you have come on the threads discussing this game just to deride it. Why do you feel threatened by the success of this game that you need to start these threads about a game just to  invalidate it in some way. Not going to discuss why this game has to be online because you're trolling.

Ok Chyeyane,

I'll give my honest opinion of my anger. The bottom line is both I and MANY OTHERS are searching for a community based game. One that has a difficulty level where you depend on others.  If you notice I don't use the words " old school ".  Their is a reason for that, because mmos changed and I'm absolutely convinced developers changed this with the help of marketing.  So it's not because of players desires.  Asian mmos with cash shops have been in the back round since the age of time.  NO ONE IN THE WEST PLAYED THEM.  Their popular now because nothing is the west is being developed because of the re-molding of what we have now. 

So yes I'm mad.  I'm fighting city hall.  I guess you can say "I'm sticking it to the man". 

I'm really not an angary person, it's only mmos..... I'll try much harder to be nicer (try), but I'm still mad about this as hell ! 

BDO, Lineage 2 both boomed in NA audience as well. Both games at their *END GAME* are heavily community oriented. Yes, I've played both, plenty.