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Hi ,
I could do with some help in regards to how to proceed in the following situation , from people who are are up to date with computer tech.
I currently have a pc working with the following parts :
Motherboard: MSI z87-g41 pc mate
CPU : i5 - 4670k
GPU : Radeon 7870 XT
RAM : 8GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600mhz
PSU : Seasonic S12II-620 Bronze 620W
Storage : one 60 GB SSD for OS and some very old 500 GB HDD that sounds like war
Monitor : 60 Hz Acer with IPS panel
I have a budget of around 1000$ and the option to either change my hardware completely , or upgrade certain components and leave others as they are.
If i wanted to upgrade the CPU to a newer generation, I would also have to switch out the motherboard and RAM. Is it worth it? Should I leave those in and focus on the GPU ?
Which scenario would be most beneficial for me considering my budget? All new stuff for 1000$ or upgrade stuff for 1000$?
I initially thought I would upgrade the gpu to a GTX 1070 and get an OK 144hz monitor to go with it .
In regards to resolution, I'm not really looking to go above 1080p and no more than 1 monitor for gaming.
Games would be the only thing hogging the machine.
I could do with some help in regards to how to proceed in the following situation , from people who are are up to date with computer tech.
I currently have a pc working with the following parts :
Motherboard: MSI z87-g41 pc mate
CPU : i5 - 4670k
GPU : Radeon 7870 XT
RAM : 8GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600mhz
PSU : Seasonic S12II-620 Bronze 620W
Storage : one 60 GB SSD for OS and some very old 500 GB HDD that sounds like war
Monitor : 60 Hz Acer with IPS panel
I have a budget of around 1000$ and the option to either change my hardware completely , or upgrade certain components and leave others as they are.
If i wanted to upgrade the CPU to a newer generation, I would also have to switch out the motherboard and RAM. Is it worth it? Should I leave those in and focus on the GPU ?
Which scenario would be most beneficial for me considering my budget? All new stuff for 1000$ or upgrade stuff for 1000$?
I initially thought I would upgrade the gpu to a GTX 1070 and get an OK 144hz monitor to go with it .
In regards to resolution, I'm not really looking to go above 1080p and no more than 1 monitor for gaming.
Games would be the only thing hogging the machine.
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Consider if you upgrade the cpu to coffee lake or ryzen you need a new cpu, new board, new ram.
Also from what you say new HDD and maybe a SDD upgraded to 240gb version for the OS and maybe a few fave games with the new HDD for main storage.
You need to figure out if the extra spent money will be worth it for you for the "maybe" noticeable difference when gaming?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Is your cpu overclocked?
What games do you feel it's not keeping up?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4670K/3941vs1538
Radeon 7870 XT is already an older GPU. It's still not bad, but upgrade to something like GTX 1070 should easily double your GPU performance:
http://hwbench.com/vgas/geforce-gtx-1070-vs-radeon-hd-7870-xt
I'd recommend leaving your CPU and upgrading only your GPU.
SSDs are now much cheaper than back when you bought your old 60GB SSD. You could get 500GB SSD at around 150$ and it would be huge upgrade to your loading times compared to your old hard disk.
For example: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
I linked this SSD because it's atm on sale. After the sale is over some other model would be better purchase.
What monitor do you have and what are you planning to buy? IPS monitor sounds like it could be good, and 144 hz instead of 60 hz is only a minor improvement. In fast-paced FPS games it's good to have, but in other types of games the increased refresh rate is barely noticeable. Unless you're a hardcore FPS fan or the new monitor also has better picture quality than your old monitor I'd advice against upgrading.
If the new monitor you're planning to get also has significantly better picture quality then upgrade could be good idea.
If you just want to splurge and spend on yourself and give yourself a new system there's nothing wrong with that but I would wait till I got 1500$ to spend.
If you just feel like your pc is struggling with certain game you could just:
~ make sure you got a decent overclock on your cpu, make sure you have a decent cooler
~ upgrade the gpu
~upgrade the SSD and get a cheap HDD for storage
~ maybe upgrade the ram to 16gb as some new games want 8gb minimum now
take a look here and you will see your gpu is 6 tiers down:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
Also about fps there's not much point in getting 200fps on a 60hz monitor.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
IMO wait and save until you have around $1500,again if in USA you will do well also saving added tax.
I don't feel an upgrade to your present system is worth it and will cost close to the same price or more.The 7700 I7 seems to be around 500-600 on Amazon and then add a mobo and a gtx 1070 gpu and your likely over budget,just not worth it.
Only concern would be to make sure your monitor has the proper cables to connect to a newer system,i don't know how old your monitor is.
I checked the USA pricing and seems similar but anyway a 17 inch laptop Asus I7 with the GTX is selling for 1299.With tax your getting close to 1500 depending where you live,so yeah that is what i would do ,just save for a bit,maybe someone will help you out for Christmas.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
In your particular case, your system is fairly solid. I wouldn't replace the Mobo and CPU since you would also need to replace the ram. This would be an easy $500 cost to get something better than what you had.
I would go with a GTX 1080, 1TB 2.5" SSD, and a 27" 144hz Freesync monitor. I would say GSync, but those would set you back at least $500. That should be around $1000, but you will need to shop around a little.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3887vs3941
Also upgrading from I5-4670K to i7-7700 for gaming would be stupid. It's madly expensive upgrade for something that is only faster in games that scale well past 4 logical cores. There are some games that do scale past 4 threads but also too many games that won't scale. The update would give only situational advantage and it's not worth it.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4670K/3887vs1538
Crypto-miners have bought so many GPUs that they've caused a shortage and because of that GTX 1070's are right now too expensive. GTX 1080 costs still more, but it's likely better price to performance ratio.
GTX 1070 would be a good GPU if the price ever game down a little but right now it's a bit overpriced.
Ethereum mining is very heavy on random table lookups to large tables, as this was how they would make sure that it would be very hard to build an ASIC to do just Ethereum mining. For whatever reason, Nvidia's GDDR5X controller (GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti) don't handle random reads from global memory well. Never mind ~3 GB tables as Ethereum uses; they choke on 16 MB tables, too. So that means that the Ethereum miners who are buying up a lot of the good GPUs and forcing their prices upward ignore the GDDR5X cards.
Still, prices do seem to be returning to normal. For example, New Egg now has a Radeon RX 580 for $250.
Current Coffee Lake prices are significantly higher than Intel's suggested prices. Once supply issues are resolved in ..... several weeks? - prices of Coffee Lake will "drop" to Intel's suggested prices.
In turn this should put pressure on Intel non-Coffee Lake and AMD cpus.
If you still feel the need as others above have suggested a new graphics card is something that would transfer to any more significant upgrade. If you do consider monitors I would add that you should also look at quote TVs unquote. Many are also monitors. And as a result of volume production have been offering "more features" at a particular price point for some time.
I've read everyone's reply and I was able to bump the budget up to 1500 euro .
I'm actually from Romania and not from the US, therefore some if not all parts are a bit more expensive here.
1500 euro would be around 7000 RON .
I would be buying from www.pcgarage.ro since that's the best website to buy from here in Romania.
I was thinking of something like this https://www.pcgarage.ro/vizualizare-wishlist/2971966/
Do I really need 16 gb of RAM right now ? RAM seems fairly pricey and if I don't really need 16 gb right now I could settle for 8 and get another 8 in the future.
This is by no means set in stone, but more of a guide line for you guys to pitch in if you'd like to.
If you would like to put together something better from that website , I'll gladly take it into consideration.
I think you're better off keeping your current CPU, motherboard, and probably memory. You could get a new video card, new monitor, and new SSD, and that should be good. When I look at your original build, storage is what jumps out at me as being the weakest part, as only 64 GB of SSD space isn't much.
- Dying Light: 4GB minimum, 8GB recommended
- Grand Theft Auto V: 4GB minimum, 8GB recommended
- The Witcher 3: 6GB minimum, 8GB recommended
- Fallout 4: 8GB minimum and recommended
- Batman: Arkham Knight: 6GB minimum, 8GB recommended, 12GB required for smooth gameplay on Windows 10 (source)
- Rise of the Tomb Raider: 6GB minimum, 8GB recommended
- Far Cry Primal: 4GB minimum, 8GB recommended
- The Division: 6GB minimum, 8GB recommended
- Hitman: 8GB minimum and recommended
- Quantum Break: 8GB minimum, 16GB recommended (source)
https://www.howtogeek.com/245245/how-much-ram-does-your-computer-need-for-pc-games/I think we will be seeing mnay new games asking for 8gb min and 16 recommended now that coffee lake and ryzen are out.
Was looking at Sword Art Online for pc from my download games site and saw it also has a 8gb min. requirement.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Upgrade the video card right now. That is the single biggest thing you could do at this point. There has been a lot of discussion about monitors as well - which are also nice ugprades (one I am hoping to do sooner than later myself)
Going past that, I would look for a larger SSD (and another larger HDD to replace the one that sounds like war).
Honestly just one the first two points above, I wouldn't feel too bad about spending your entire $1k budget on those items alone. If you have a really old PSU it wouldn't be a horrible idea to replace it at this time as well - if for no other reason than insurance for your new video card and continued good operation of everything else.
Upgrading the CPU to an i7 would be a very distant 3rd, and if you get to that point, then I would start considering the total system build -- not because an entirely new system would be much faster, just because your now at the point that maybe you consider selling your existing system as-is to fund your new build.
nVidia / AMD, Freesync / Gsync - meh. Get whatever you can get the best deal on.
Your plan looks like you're going to spend about 2700 RON to fix 50% of problems that are caused by those components and save 300 RON by letting another 50% of the problems to remain.
What game are you having problems with? I think you'd be much better off by switching only GPU at first and then checking if you still need more performance.
If it was me I would OC to atleast 4.2 ghz, get a 240ish gb ssd and 1 or 2 tb hdd and new gpu and up the ram to 16gb.
Regardless though it really looks like he is keen on building a new system. This means he likely to have to cut corners if things are more expensive in his area like he says.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Samsung 850 EVO 500gb
EVGA GTX 1070 SC
EVGA Supernova p2 850
This comes out to $720 plus tax
Save that extra money and when you get more then upgrade your MOBO CPU AND RAM and Monitor. Your CPU is fine for now anyways.
This way at least you'll have some good components instead of jsut having a whole system full of low end components sine $1000 is not enough to get a good new pc despite what people tell you.
If it was 60hz, then I would recommend a GSync monitor. Most likely, nVidia will support Freesync in the future as their cards have the capability to do so. They have adopted most open standards when they offer a competing proprietary solution.
Then you can get 32 Gigs GEIL DDR4-3600 or better
Assuming you have a 1000 watt + Power Supply, Hard Drives, Video Card, and Optical Drives this build would be under $1000 because I re-use my old parts in my new builds unless I really have to change something.
Otherwise yeah idk but I would spend the few extra bucks and go with at least a 1151 or better if can be afford.
Also personally I would throw that PSU, RAM, and GPU out the window and switch to Nvidia much better performance so obviously for a 1080ti throw in an additional $800 at least for the ROG Version of the Asus, and if you don't have the Obsidian 900D an Additional $400 because running this at full load with too small of a case over-heats with a 1080ti so yeah unless going liquid but assuming staying within budget can always go with something much smaller, but at least a I7 CPU that is for sure.
Left my PC Online for 27 days without any restart played games just fine restarted to apply updates only.
Left my pc online 9 days today still playing games just fine, no blue screens, no lag, no bullshit.
Anyone advocating a 1070 is out of the loop. 1070 prices are artificially high right now. In fact it is so bad that a 1080 can be bought for about $25 more. A 1080 will be decent for some years to come as the gpu makers are getting to the point where large gains in gpu performance are becoming very difficult.
Upgrade your SSD to a 512gb one, you can put your most played games on the SSD and that will make a huge difference. Also one tb hard disks are around $40 get one and replace that old hard disk, failure rate after 5 years is common.
Upgrading the CPU will not get you much at all. Games are mostly i/o and gpu bound. As to memory, 8 gb is still fine for most games, memory prices are also a bit inflated at the moment.
Nothing wrong with your power supply, it will support all of the above easily.