I find gambling to be silly, I dont get the appeal. Casinos are loud, anyoyingly glitzy, dark and the games are boring.
But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I find gambling to be silly, I dont get the appeal. Casinos are loud, anyoyingly glitzy, dark and the games are boring.
But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
No one is saying shut down casinos. Literally no one. What we're saying is that people who go to casinos know what they are getting into. They are adults capable of making their own financial decisions (and even then, gambling addiction is a problem that requires help hotlines and support groups). They go to a casino knowing that they are taking a risk that will probably result in financial loss.
We should not be associating gambling with games. It is irresponsible to present the image of financial risk as being fun for the family. There is a reason why casinos have an age requirement. The only reason why rng gambling exists in video games is that the law has yet to catch up with technological advances.
There is no consumer-friendly reason to maintain the status quo. There is no reason to allow games with paid gambling elements to have a teen or younger rating. There is every reason to want to see an adults-only rating plastered on games with rng microtransactions.
I find gambling to be silly, I dont get the appeal. Casinos are loud, anyoyingly glitzy, dark and the games are boring.
But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
No one is saying shut down casinos. Literally no one. What we're saying is that people who go to casinos know what they are getting into. They are adults capable of making their own financial decisions (and even then, gambling addiction is a problem that requires help hotlines and support groups). They go to a casino knowing that they are taking a risk that will probably result in financial loss.
We should not be associating gambling with games. It is irresponsible to present the image of financial risk as being fun for the family. There is a reason why casinos have an age requirement. The only reason why rng gambling exists in video games is that the law has yet to catch up with technological advances.
There is no consumer-friendly reason to maintain the status quo. There is no reason to allow games with paid gambling elements to have a teen or younger rating. There is every reason to want to see an adults-only rating plastered on games with rng microtransactions.
I think your taking it as a cultural given but I am not sure its actually true. A lot of cultural norms are ridiculous but people accept them as normal and assume they have a good reason. Often times they do not.
So we have determined that video games are fine for kids despite some people thinking they are addictive and violent, but we consider gambling not fine for kids because they are addictive and dont have violence (I am putting in the word violence in hopes to illustrate how absurd the violence but gambling position is).
For me personally, I think the jury is still out. I would have to know why gambling specifically for childern is a concern but other things are not a concern, such as playing video games in general.
I also think that although I dont like gambling, its very clear that many people do. So maybe for us who dont like gambling we should play different games, and those who do like gambling can play gambling games
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
On that point, I think the 'gambling effect' will continue to increase until someone can make a very compelling reason that a court judge would take seriously that it should go away.
basically until someone can come up with a very well thought out, detailed non-ridiculous answer that is bullet proof, these companies will continue to move the games more and more to gambling. and its not an easy arguement to make
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I find gambling to be silly, I dont get the appeal. Casinos are loud, anyoyingly glitzy, dark and the games are boring.
But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
No one is saying shut down casinos. Literally no one. What we're saying is that people who go to casinos know what they are getting into. They are adults capable of making their own financial decisions (and even then, gambling addiction is a problem that requires help hotlines and support groups). They go to a casino knowing that they are taking a risk that will probably result in financial loss.
We should not be associating gambling with games. It is irresponsible to present the image of financial risk as being fun for the family. There is a reason why casinos have an age requirement. The only reason why rng gambling exists in video games is that the law has yet to catch up with technological advances.
There is no consumer-friendly reason to maintain the status quo. There is no reason to allow games with paid gambling elements to have a teen or younger rating. There is every reason to want to see an adults-only rating plastered on games with rng microtransactions.
I think your taking it as a cultural given but I am not sure its actually true. A lot of cultural norms are ridiculous but people accept them as normal and assume they have a good reason. Often times they do not.
So we have determined that video games are fine for kids despite some people thinking they are addictive and violent, but we consider gambling not fine for kids because they are addictive and dont have violence (I am putting in the word violence in hopes to illustrate how absurd the violence but gambling position is).
For me personally, I think the jury is still out. I would have to know why gambling specifically for childern is a concern but other things are not a concern, such as playing video games in general.
I also think that although I dont like gambling, its very clear that many people do. So maybe for us who dont like gambling we should play different games, and those who do like gambling can play gambling games
Virtual depictions of violence and gambling aren't a 1 to 1 comparison. Stop treating them like they are.
When games start treating violence as a reward system, then we can talk like these situations are comparable. But right now, game's aren't charging you $1 to shoot someone in the skull.
I find gambling to be silly, I dont get the appeal. Casinos are loud, anyoyingly glitzy, dark and the games are boring.
But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
No one is saying shut down casinos. Literally no one. What we're saying is that people who go to casinos know what they are getting into. They are adults capable of making their own financial decisions (and even then, gambling addiction is a problem that requires help hotlines and support groups). They go to a casino knowing that they are taking a risk that will probably result in financial loss.
We should not be associating gambling with games. It is irresponsible to present the image of financial risk as being fun for the family. There is a reason why casinos have an age requirement. The only reason why rng gambling exists in video games is that the law has yet to catch up with technological advances.
There is no consumer-friendly reason to maintain the status quo. There is no reason to allow games with paid gambling elements to have a teen or younger rating. There is every reason to want to see an adults-only rating plastered on games with rng microtransactions.
I think your taking it as a cultural given but I am not sure its actually true. A lot of cultural norms are ridiculous but people accept them as normal and assume they have a good reason. Often times they do not.
So we have determined that video games are fine for kids despite some people thinking they are addictive and violent, but we consider gambling not fine for kids because they are addictive and dont have violence (I am putting in the word violence in hopes to illustrate how absurd the violence but gambling position is).
For me personally, I think the jury is still out. I would have to know why gambling specifically for childern is a concern but other things are not a concern, such as playing video games in general.
I also think that although I dont like gambling, its very clear that many people do. So maybe for us who dont like gambling we should play different games, and those who do like gambling can play gambling games
Virtual depictions of violence and gambling aren't a 1 to 1 comparison. Stop treating them like they are.
When games start treating violence as a reward system, then we can talk like these situations are comparable. But right now, game's aren't charging you $1 to shoot someone in the skull.
yeah I know I just find it completely insane how people work so hard to say violence is great for kids but other things like gambling or tits is the worst sin ever. but regardless you are right.
but here is what a judge would likely ask here. 'Is Vegas bad and should it be shut down?' 'dont video games have age ratings?' 'why is gambling bad SPECIFICALLY for kids in ways that other elements in a video games are not bad for kids including the so called 'addiction' of playing a game in the first place?' Wow is rated T for teen because of violence, gore and crude humor, why should gambling have a rating that is higher?
not easy questions to answer
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I find gambling to be silly, I dont get the appeal. Casinos are loud, anyoyingly glitzy, dark and the games are boring.
But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
No one is saying shut down casinos. Literally no one. What we're saying is that people who go to casinos know what they are getting into. They are adults capable of making their own financial decisions (and even then, gambling addiction is a problem that requires help hotlines and support groups). They go to a casino knowing that they are taking a risk that will probably result in financial loss.
We should not be associating gambling with games. It is irresponsible to present the image of financial risk as being fun for the family. There is a reason why casinos have an age requirement. The only reason why rng gambling exists in video games is that the law has yet to catch up with technological advances.
There is no consumer-friendly reason to maintain the status quo. There is no reason to allow games with paid gambling elements to have a teen or younger rating. There is every reason to want to see an adults-only rating plastered on games with rng microtransactions.
I think your taking it as a cultural given but I am not sure its actually true. A lot of cultural norms are ridiculous but people accept them as normal and assume they have a good reason. Often times they do not.
So we have determined that video games are fine for kids despite some people thinking they are addictive and violent, but we consider gambling not fine for kids because they are addictive and dont have violence (I am putting in the word violence in hopes to illustrate how absurd the violence but gambling position is).
For me personally, I think the jury is still out. I would have to know why gambling specifically for childern is a concern but other things are not a concern, such as playing video games in general.
I also think that although I dont like gambling, its very clear that many people do. So maybe for us who dont like gambling we should play different games, and those who do like gambling can play gambling games
Virtual depictions of violence and gambling aren't a 1 to 1 comparison. Stop treating them like they are.
When games start treating violence as a reward system, then we can talk like these situations are comparable. But right now, game's aren't charging you $1 to shoot someone in the skull.
yeah I know I just find it completely insane how people work so hard to say violence is great for kids but other things like gambling or tits is the worst sin ever. but regardless you are right.
but here is what a judge would likely ask here. 'Is Vegas bad and should it be shut down?' 'dont video games have age ratings?' 'why is gambling bad SPECIFICALLY for kids in ways that other elements in a video games are not bad for kids including the so called 'addiction' of playing a game in the first place?' Wow is rated T for teen because of violence, gore and crude humor, why should gambling have a rating that is higher?
not easy questions to answer
That comparison still doesn't work. The gaming industry is not being Las Vegas. Casinos in Las Vegas have regulations and follow the law. The gaming industry is a Chuck E Cheese that just adding slot machines to the gaming floor. If Chuck E Cheese added gambling slot machines to the game room floor, you can bloody bet that the government would have something to say about it.
The heck are you talking about poor people? The complaint is people want to directly purchase the things they want, not have a CHANCE at purchasing something they want. GTFO troll.
But that way you'd only have to buy it once.
Once you get past all the (valid) objections about gambling and so on, what you're left with is a system that's as consumer unfriendly as it gets.
"But hey, you never know. You might get lucky!"... said every lottery ad ever.
It takes a pretty messed up mind to like loot box systems in all of their different incarnations.
People can get cool looking mounts without buying anything. No one has to participate in this. Like the ESO loot boxes for mounts. There are tons of nice looking in game rewards. People want something special for cheap and on their terms. They feel like they deserve it how they expect it to be offered. It's like people feel entitled to what they want.
Personally I don't care anymore. It's all about selling progression. It's all the same thing, whether I rent it and pound on a mob to get the RNG result or skip that and just buy my RNG chance in a store. Online gaming has become about selling progression since MMOs launched and no one way (other than a flat box fee) appeals to me.
If I think it's a bad deal then I don't buy it. Getting up in arms about it seems like a futile and ridiculous waste of time.
The recent revelations about matching based upon microtransactions and the Battlefront II system really proved your last paragraph to be a self-defeating position for consumers to take. The issue isn't that cosmetic RNG is so god awful, it's that RNG on cash shop items itself will only lead to more egregious efforts of monetization in the future when the consumer base passively accepts it. It's no longer a slippery slope fallacy; we've seen the evidentiary evolution of consumer apathy towards such practices, and it gets gradually uglier so long as that apathy persists.
Are all mounts same speed? If they are I care less about looks, I hate it how mmorpg have become glamour fashion show.
You wear socks with sandals don't you?
I get his point though. I like decking my characters out. Building the look of my character is important, but I can also see the other side where people are making a big deal out of optional cosmetics in a game that has always sold optional cosmetics for real money. This is true since Guild Wars. This shouldn't surprise GW2 players at all.
Can you buy a mount without doing the quest? That would be cool if you didn't have an 80.
Can you get a cool looking mount without spending money? Yes, then the complaint seems blown out of proportion.
I've said repeatedly that publishers have a revenue goal and they'll work to get there one way or another. If people aren't spending enough with established options, they'll add more. Personally, I couldn't care less if gamers get their panties all in a knot over it. They bitch about every single thing and I don't care about the complaints anymore. There has been too much "cry wolf" and not enough "choose your battles" in the gamer community.
I think his issue is more that he doesn't care about aesthetics in video games and has problems with people who do.
I understand the frustration that people have when they can't make their character have a certain look, especially if the game has a certain aesthetic.
However, I can sort of see the "this is just a fun way to get cosmetics" argument.
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The heck are you talking about poor people? The complaint is people want to directly purchase the things they want, not have a CHANCE at purchasing something they want. GTFO troll.
But that way you'd only have to buy it once.
Once you get past all the (valid) objections about gambling and so on, what you're left with is a system that's as consumer unfriendly as it gets.
"But hey, you never know. You might get lucky!"... said every lottery ad ever.
It takes a pretty messed up mind to like loot box systems in all of their different incarnations.
People can get cool looking mounts without buying anything. No one has to participate in this. Like the ESO loot boxes for mounts. There are tons of nice looking in game rewards. People want something special for cheap and on their terms. They feel like they deserve it how they expect it to be offered. It's like people feel entitled to what they want.
Personally I don't care anymore. It's all about selling progression. It's all the same thing, whether I rent it and pound on a mob to get the RNG result or skip that and just buy my RNG chance in a store. Online gaming has become about selling progression since MMOs launched and no one way (other than a flat box fee) appeals to me.
If I think it's a bad deal then I don't buy it. Getting up in arms about it seems like a futile and ridiculous waste of time.
Wow so many cliches in one post: the entitlement cliche, the it doesn't matter if it's RNG in game or the cash shop cliche and the love it or leave it cliche. Not to mention the being critical = being up in arms, futile and a waste of time
Does entitlement mean wanting an honest transaction where you get exactly what you pay for? That's a new twist on wanting something for nothing, But then MMORPG.COM is notorious for twisting the meaning of words.
You honestly can't tell the difference between obtaining something by playing the game and getting it without playing? IDK man, for me it's not about owning that thing, it's about having fun getting it. Pretty well the same way I feel about leveling vs. instant level-ups. It's a sure sign that it's time for me to quit a game if it's just about the end result without the fun of getting there.
Yeah we don't have to buy the thing. And the irony is that loot boxes only make sense if you honestly and truly don't give a shit about what type of thing you get out of it. But if you don't give a shit you probably wouldn't buy one anyway, would you?
They are designed specifically for that poor sap that actually does give a shit, and wants that one ultra rare thing that will likely cost him in the end 10X what he would have paid had it been an honest transaction. It's why they're lucrative obviously.
So I guess if they only screw-over somebody else everything is hunky dory and we can just keep on trucking apathetically. Because after all, it's 2017 and we all know that caring about what happens to others is just being an SJW and that's a bad thing.
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I already posted about this in the appropriate forum, though with a less inflammatory thread title. Mount skins are a money grab yes. Eitherway you don't have spend a dime of real cash in GW2, just play the game causally and within a few days you have enough gold to convert to gems.
All the kids seem happy so gambling in MMOs must be fine. Why don't we do away with the consoles and just send them to a casino?
it does beg the questions doesnt?
Like..are casinos bad for young people? if so why?
Kids and gambling...what could possibly go wrong?
kids and anything what could go wrong?
why are casinos specifically bad for young people? Because I dont know.
Violence seems to be acceptable mostly, so why gambling?
Studies have repeatedly shown that violent video games have little to no effect on a developing mind. There are exceptions when one only exposes themselves to particular types of games, but those exceptions involve unused parts of the brain shrinking, rather than any sort of desentisization or mental disorders.
Gambling at any age, but especially at young ages, leads to the development of addictive habits or at least exploits existing ones. Kids do not usually understand the value of money or financial responsibility, which is why we hear horror stories of kids racking up thousands of dollars of FIFA microtransactions on their mom's credit card.
where are the studies that show gambling is bad for childern but violence is not.
doesnt have to be the same article but in general I would like to see some information on your claim
And here we go, off topic and into the weeds.
Hey, here's a thought, go create a new thread for your questions and relate it to gaming somehow.
This thread is about RNG in loot boxes, and more specifically GW2.
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All the kids seem happy so gambling in MMOs must be fine. Why don't we do away with the consoles and just send them to a casino?
it does beg the questions doesnt?
Like..are casinos bad for young people? if so why?
Kids and gambling...what could possibly go wrong?
kids and anything what could go wrong?
why are casinos specifically bad for young people? Because I dont know.
Violence seems to be acceptable mostly, so why gambling?
Studies have repeatedly shown that violent video games have little to no effect on a developing mind. There are exceptions when one only exposes themselves to particular types of games, but those exceptions involve unused parts of the brain shrinking, rather than any sort of desentisization or mental disorders.
Gambling at any age, but especially at young ages, leads to the development of addictive habits or at least exploits existing ones. Kids do not usually understand the value of money or financial responsibility, which is why we hear horror stories of kids racking up thousands of dollars of FIFA microtransactions on their mom's credit card.
where are the studies that show gambling is bad for childern but violence is not.
doesnt have to be the same article but in general I would like to see some information on your claim
And here we go, off topic and into the weeds.
Hey, here's a thought, go create a new thread for your questions and relate it to gaming somehow.
This thread is about RNG in loot boxes, and more specifically GW2.
awesome!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
All the kids seem happy so gambling in MMOs must be fine. Why don't we do away with the consoles and just send them to a casino?
it does beg the questions doesnt?
Like..are casinos bad for young people? if so why?
Kids and gambling...what could possibly go wrong?
kids and anything what could go wrong?
why are casinos specifically bad for young people? Because I dont know.
Violence seems to be acceptable mostly, so why gambling?
When you shoot someone in a video game they are not a real person, when you pay for loot boxes you are gambling. So this is not an illusionary experience that would have serious consequences in the real world, it is a real experience that is already having real consequences.
The equivalent for violence would be a video game where you did go out and harm someone for real. Hopefully you see the difference.
If you need this explaining more, Kyleran is right its a trap.
All the kids seem happy so gambling in MMOs must be fine. Why don't we do away with the consoles and just send them to a casino?
it does beg the questions doesnt?
Like..are casinos bad for young people? if so why?
Kids and gambling...what could possibly go wrong?
kids and anything what could go wrong?
why are casinos specifically bad for young people? Because I dont know.
Violence seems to be acceptable mostly, so why gambling?
Studies have repeatedly shown that violent video games have little to no effect on a developing mind. There are exceptions when one only exposes themselves to particular types of games, but those exceptions involve unused parts of the brain shrinking, rather than any sort of desentisization or mental disorders.
Gambling at any age, but especially at young ages, leads to the development of addictive habits or at least exploits existing ones. Kids do not usually understand the value of money or financial responsibility, which is why we hear horror stories of kids racking up thousands of dollars of FIFA microtransactions on their mom's credit card.
where are the studies that show gambling is bad for childern but violence is not.
doesnt have to be the same article but in general I would like to see some information on your claim
And here we go, off topic and into the weeds.
Hey, here's a thought, go create a new thread for your questions and relate it to gaming somehow.
This thread is about RNG in loot boxes, and more specifically GW2.
Why do you guys even bother? You know by now that he wants to tun any thread where he posts into something about himself and his odd ideas... topic be damned.
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All the kids seem happy so gambling in MMOs must be fine. Why don't we do away with the consoles and just send them to a casino?
it does beg the questions doesnt?
Like..are casinos bad for young people? if so why?
Kids and gambling...what could possibly go wrong?
kids and anything what could go wrong?
why are casinos specifically bad for young people? Because I dont know.
Violence seems to be acceptable mostly, so why gambling?
Studies have repeatedly shown that violent video games have little to no effect on a developing mind. There are exceptions when one only exposes themselves to particular types of games, but those exceptions involve unused parts of the brain shrinking, rather than any sort of desentisization or mental disorders.
Gambling at any age, but especially at young ages, leads to the development of addictive habits or at least exploits existing ones. Kids do not usually understand the value of money or financial responsibility, which is why we hear horror stories of kids racking up thousands of dollars of FIFA microtransactions on their mom's credit card.
where are the studies that show gambling is bad for childern but violence is not.
doesnt have to be the same article but in general I would like to see some information on your claim
And here we go, off topic and into the weeds.
Hey, here's a thought, go create a new thread for your questions and relate it to gaming somehow.
This thread is about RNG in loot boxes, and more specifically GW2.
Why do you guys even bother? You know by now that he wants to tun any thread where he posts into something about himself and his odd ideas... topic be damned.
who are you talking about?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
All the kids seem happy so gambling in MMOs must be fine. Why don't we do away with the consoles and just send them to a casino?
it does beg the questions doesnt?
Like..are casinos bad for young people? if so why?
Kids and gambling...what could possibly go wrong?
kids and anything what could go wrong?
why are casinos specifically bad for young people? Because I dont know.
Violence seems to be acceptable mostly, so why gambling?
Studies have repeatedly shown that violent video games have little to no effect on a developing mind. There are exceptions when one only exposes themselves to particular types of games, but those exceptions involve unused parts of the brain shrinking, rather than any sort of desentisization or mental disorders.
Gambling at any age, but especially at young ages, leads to the development of addictive habits or at least exploits existing ones. Kids do not usually understand the value of money or financial responsibility, which is why we hear horror stories of kids racking up thousands of dollars of FIFA microtransactions on their mom's credit card.
where are the studies that show gambling is bad for childern but violence is not.
doesnt have to be the same article but in general I would like to see some information on your claim
And here we go, off topic and into the weeds.
Hey, here's a thought, go create a new thread for your questions and relate it to gaming somehow.
This thread is about RNG in loot boxes, and more specifically GW2.
Why do you guys even bother? You know by now that he wants to tun any thread where he posts into something about himself and his odd ideas... topic be damned.
I'm really convinced he's a chatbot. He's responses make perfect since from that viewpoint.
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But I am not convinced gambling is so bad that we should shut down las vegas. So if that is how I view it then I need to sort out how that applies to gaming, and I dont have an answer.
if that observation makes sense.
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We should not be associating gambling with games. It is irresponsible to present the image of financial risk as being fun for the family. There is a reason why casinos have an age requirement. The only reason why rng gambling exists in video games is that the law has yet to catch up with technological advances.
There is no consumer-friendly reason to maintain the status quo. There is no reason to allow games with paid gambling elements to have a teen or younger rating. There is every reason to want to see an adults-only rating plastered on games with rng microtransactions.
So we have determined that video games are fine for kids despite some people thinking they are addictive and violent, but we consider gambling not fine for kids because they are addictive and dont have violence (I am putting in the word violence in hopes to illustrate how absurd the violence but gambling position is).
For me personally, I think the jury is still out. I would have to know why gambling specifically for childern is a concern but other things are not a concern, such as playing video games in general.
I also think that although I dont like gambling, its very clear that many people do. So maybe for us who dont like gambling we should play different games, and those who do like gambling can play gambling games
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basically until someone can come up with a very well thought out, detailed non-ridiculous answer that is bullet proof, these companies will continue to move the games more and more to gambling. and its not an easy arguement to make
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When games start treating violence as a reward system, then we can talk like these situations are comparable. But right now, game's aren't charging you $1 to shoot someone in the skull.
but here is what a judge would likely ask here.
'Is Vegas bad and should it be shut down?'
'dont video games have age ratings?'
'why is gambling bad SPECIFICALLY for kids in ways that other elements in a video games are not bad for kids including the so called 'addiction' of playing a game in the first place?'
Wow is rated T for teen because of violence, gore and crude humor, why should gambling have a rating that is higher?
not easy questions to answer
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Please do not respond to me
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I understand the frustration that people have when they can't make their character have a certain look, especially if the game has a certain aesthetic.
However, I can sort of see the "this is just a fun way to get cosmetics" argument.
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Does entitlement mean wanting an honest transaction where you get exactly what you pay for? That's a new twist on wanting something for nothing, But then MMORPG.COM is notorious for twisting the meaning of words.
You honestly can't tell the difference between obtaining something by playing the game and getting it without playing? IDK man, for me it's not about owning that thing, it's about having fun getting it. Pretty well the same way I feel about leveling vs. instant level-ups. It's a sure sign that it's time for me to quit a game if it's just about the end result without the fun of getting there.
Yeah we don't have to buy the thing. And the irony is that loot boxes only make sense if you honestly and truly don't give a shit about what type of thing you get out of it. But if you don't give a shit you probably wouldn't buy one anyway, would you?
They are designed specifically for that poor sap that actually does give a shit, and wants that one ultra rare thing that will likely cost him in the end 10X what he would have paid had it been an honest transaction. It's why they're lucrative obviously.
So I guess if they only screw-over somebody else everything is hunky dory and we can just keep on trucking apathetically. Because after all, it's 2017 and we all know that caring about what happens to others is just being an SJW and that's a bad thing.
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Hey, here's a thought, go create a new thread for your questions and relate it to gaming somehow.
This thread is about RNG in loot boxes, and more specifically GW2.
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When you shoot someone in a video game they are not a real person, when you pay for loot boxes you are gambling. So this is not an illusionary experience that would have serious consequences in the real world, it is a real experience that is already having real consequences.
The equivalent for violence would be a video game where you did go out and harm someone for real. Hopefully you see the difference.
If you need this explaining more, Kyleran is right its a trap.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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