1) I don't think Blizzard is looking at classic as a major money maker, but as a GIFT TO FANS THAT WANT IT....I don't think Blizzard will care about population deviations, however they will care about quality upkeep and monitor it for future knowledge.
It will never shut down no matter what. It will be a gift that will always be their and they will always pay for servers accordingly. It will easily pay for it self for a long time, and possibly drop in profit at some point… One thing for sure, it will always be their.
2) As time passes, Blizzard will evaluate and adjust accordingly. This could lead to many different paths that are unknown at this point.
" Launch and see what happens "
3) Were looking deeper into this more so than Blizzard themselves.
Blizzard will never allow people to say " I told you so "... Because it's simply A GIFT !
I see it as being more of a testing of the water, they might not be expecting it to be all that successful, but wouldn't it be illuminating if it turned out that the classic servers had a higher population count than the current servers, i have no idea whether that will happen, but all i can say at this point is that i have no interest in WoW BfA etc. but classic WoW, yeah, lots of interest there, no idea how long i will play for, but thats the version i would rather play.
This could be very true, it can prove something !
Lets hope they evaluate it in "the short run".... Because it's oblivious players will run the gambit and stop. They should analyze the excitement in the first few months.
1) I don't think Blizzard is looking at classic as a major money maker, but as a GIFT TO FANS THAT WANT IT....I don't think Blizzard will care about population deviations, however they will care about quality upkeep and monitor it for future knowledge.
It will never shut down no matter what. It will be a gift that will always be their and they will always pay for servers accordingly. It will easily pay for it self for a long time, and possibly drop in profit at some point… One thing for sure, it will always be their.
2) As time passes, Blizzard will evaluate and adjust accordingly. This could lead to many different paths that are unknown at this point.
" Launch and see what happens "
3) Were looking deeper into this more so than Blizzard themselves.
Blizzard will never allow people to say " I told you so "... Because it's simply A GIFT !
Actually they are doing it so that one lead developer who stated fans don't really want vanilla servers can say to everyone, "I told you so" when they inevitably crash and burn.
Though I believe they'll eventually add change of some sort once enough players clamor for it, after admitting to the error of their ways.
That's not why they're doing it, according to Blizzard's statements on the matter.
1) I don't think Blizzard is looking at classic as a major money maker, but as a GIFT TO FANS THAT WANT IT....I don't think Blizzard will care about population deviations, however they will care about quality upkeep and monitor it for future knowledge.
It will never shut down no matter what. It will be a gift that will always be their and they will always pay for servers accordingly. It will easily pay for it self for a long time, and possibly drop in profit at some point… One thing for sure, it will always be their.
2) As time passes, Blizzard will evaluate and adjust accordingly. This could lead to many different paths that are unknown at this point.
" Launch and see what happens "
3) Were looking deeper into this more so than Blizzard themselves.
Blizzard will never allow people to say " I told you so "... Because it's simply A GIFT !
Actually they are doing it so that one lead developer who stated fans don't really want vanilla servers can say to everyone, "I told you so" when they inevitably crash and burn.
Though I believe they'll eventually add change of some sort once enough players clamor for it, after admitting to the error of their ways.
That's not why they're doing it, according to Blizzard's statements on the matter.
I knew I should have gone back and added an emoticon to that post, but it was early.....
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1) I don't think Blizzard is looking at classic as a major money maker, but as a GIFT TO FANS THAT WANT IT....I don't think Blizzard will care about population deviations, however they will care about quality upkeep and monitor it for future knowledge.
It will never shut down no matter what. It will be a gift that will always be their and they will always pay for servers accordingly. It will easily pay for it self for a long time, and possibly drop in profit at some point… One thing for sure, it will always be their.
2) As time passes, Blizzard will evaluate and adjust accordingly. This could lead to many different paths that are unknown at this point.
" Launch and see what happens "
3) Were looking deeper into this more so than Blizzard themselves.
Blizzard will never allow people to say " I told you so "... Because it's simply A GIFT !
Actually they are doing it so that one lead developer who stated fans don't really want vanilla servers can say to everyone, "I told you so" when they inevitably crash and burn.
Though I believe they'll eventually add change of some sort once enough players clamor for it, after admitting to the error of their ways.
That's not why they're doing it, according to Blizzard's statements on the matter.
I knew I should have gone back and added an emoticon to that post, but it was early.....
Of course some people will come and leave, once they get a feel for how the game used to play...especially if they are the folks that actually like the game play style of current retail WOW.
That said, regardless of who on these forums things Classic WOW is "good" or "bad", what is without question is that there is a substantial number of people world wide that DO get into how the game used to play...warts and all. There were private servers that shall not be named that had over a million registered accounts, 300-400 thousand active subs and were running between 5k - 10k server pop around the clock. That was all just for 1 private server ran by a rag tag group of developers as a hobby.
I also think they have something in mind larger than just version 1.12 World of Warcraft. If this works out, they could be working on a complete emulation of each expansion that players can go back and progress through. Find your favorite flavor of WOW and play it till your heart's content.
No. Vanilla cannot be revived. Bringing back the mechanics doesn't bring back Vanilla.
Vanilla was when we did a dungeon because we didn't know what would drop. We didn't know how mobs, bosses, or patrols functioned. We struggled through and completing a dungeon felt like a victory. It was new. We were entering unexplored dungeons that didn't have a loot table posted on thottbot yet.
That's done. We will never experience that again in classic wow. That feeling of the unknown no longer exists. People will smash through Vanilla content like it was nothing. 60 dungeons won't be hard. They will be tedious. Killing bosses won't be exciting and full of hope that you will get some awesome item, it will be a chore you do until you get your BiS.
Vanilla is over. Re-creating the mechanics doesn't bring it back to life. After the "fresh" launch the vast majority of players will quit. It will be a rush to the top, but Vanilla was never about rushing to the top... we didn't know where the top was.
No. Vanilla cannot be revived. Bringing back the mechanics doesn't bring back Vanilla.
Vanilla was when we did a dungeon because we didn't know what would drop. We didn't know how mobs, bosses, or patrols functioned. We struggled through and completing a dungeon felt like a victory. It was new. We were entering unexplored dungeons that didn't have a loot table posted on thottbot yet.
That's done. We will never experience that again in classic wow. That feeling of the unknown no longer exists. People will smash through Vanilla content like it was nothing. 60 dungeons won't be hard. They will be tedious. Killing bosses won't be exciting and full of hope that you will get some awesome item, it will be a chore you do until you get your BiS.
Vanilla is over. Re-creating the mechanics doesn't bring it back to life. After the "fresh" launch the vast majority of players will quit. It will be a rush to the top, but Vanilla was never about rushing to the top... we didn't know where the top was.
Wha? It took like, maybe two weeks into live for the majority of dungeons to be mapped, iirc.
1) I don't think Blizzard is looking at classic as a major money maker, but as a GIFT TO FANS THAT WANT IT....I don't think Blizzard will care about population deviations, however they will care about quality upkeep and monitor it for future knowledge.
It will never shut down no matter what. It will be a gift that will always be their and they will always pay for servers accordingly. It will easily pay for it self for a long time, and possibly drop in profit at some point… One thing for sure, it will always be their.
2) As time passes, Blizzard will evaluate and adjust accordingly. This could lead to many different paths that are unknown at this point.
" Launch and see what happens "
3) Were looking deeper into this more so than Blizzard themselves.
Blizzard will never allow people to say " I told you so "... Because it's simply A GIFT !
Actually they are doing it so that one lead developer who stated fans don't really want vanilla servers can say to everyone, "I told you so" when they inevitably crash and burn.
Though I believe they'll eventually add change of some sort once enough players clamor for it, after admitting to the error of their ways.
That's not why they're doing it, according to Blizzard's statements on the matter.
I knew I should have gone back and added an emoticon to that post, but it was early.....
Lol I should've known!
From Kyle dude, it was from Kyle!
Even when I'm being serious no one should ever take me so.
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I dont think so
In less then a month a huge majorrity will realise that todays gameplay is so much better.
Combat, classes, bossmobs .. and so many things that weren't in Vanilla.
We all will try and most will quickly realise... the game has evolved for the good...
I have a whole toher take on classic servers..
Make them part of the current WoW game..
Bring them all back to max level..
And allow people to play Vanilla as a timetravel destination..
To make it even better, add some diablo style to it..
So people can choose from several difficulty levels.
Also let them choose between PvE and PvP
And add some form of progression, so content opens further based on progression...
This allows people to replay full expansions for the content
While enjoying that as part as a 2018 game..
instead of playing the 2004 game..
As much as i loved Vanilla...
I also can still see and feel it flaws..
So maybe Blizzard should make us a better vanilla experience
and me.. i am allready looking forward to Wrath of the Lichking..
The game has not evolved for the better, it’s quite the opposite. It’s gone downhill and continues it’s downward trend. There’s a reason why the game continues to decline in population(it still has a huge playerbase), the content they put out is the same ole stuff with little to no creativity. They have no clue how to expand character progression other than through gear treadmills. Each expansion continues the trend of run dungeons to gear for heroic, run heroic to gear for raids, etc, etc, etc. the same ole trend expansion after expansion after expansion and this is coming from someone who loves WoW. But to say to that the games evolved for the good is wrong. . It is subjective and I disagree with you 100%.
I cannot see it having any long term success. The draw of time locked progression servers is to get in on the ground floor of the game again, and then ride it all the way up to its current form at an accelerated rate. This gives something to look forward to, sort of, although WoW has gotten arguably worse, not better, over the expansions.
I say this because the "classic" servers will not progress. Ever. What is there to look forward to? Once you get your Grand Marshall/Warlord status and beat the 4 raids, what else will there be to do? I am wondering if they won't morph into TLP servers in the end. I don't see what the big deal would be. Make a voting system, with those holding multiple top level characters on the server having a vote weighed as maybe 2*number of characters at max of those without any or newer players, and allow the community to decide if you progress forward. Everquest has done that with what, 3 or 4 TLP servers now, and it has been a pretty good success for them. I just cannot see the draw of a "legacy" server that is stagnant at the farthest possible patch in the base game. But that's just me, I could be wrong.
1) I don't think Blizzard is looking at classic as a major money maker, but as a GIFT TO FANS THAT WANT IT....I don't think Blizzard will care about population deviations, however they will care about quality upkeep and monitor it for future knowledge.
It will never shut down no matter what. It will be a gift that will always be their and they will always pay for servers accordingly. It will easily pay for it self for a long time, and possibly drop in profit at some point… One thing for sure, it will always be their.
2) As time passes, Blizzard will evaluate and adjust accordingly. This could lead to many different paths that are unknown at this point.
" Launch and see what happens "
3) Were looking deeper into this more so than Blizzard themselves.
Blizzard will never allow people to say " I told you so "... Because it's simply A GIFT !
Actually they are doing it so that one lead developer who stated fans don't really want vanilla servers can say to everyone, "I told you so" when they inevitably crash and burn.
Though I believe they'll eventually add change of some sort once enough players clamor for it, after admitting to the error of their ways.
That's not why they're doing it, according to Blizzard's statements on the matter.
I knew I should have gone back and added an emoticon to that post, but it was early.....
Lol I should've known!
From Kyle dude, it was from Kyle!
Even when I'm being serious no one should ever take me so.
I am going to start taking you super srs and completely literal from now on, as befits a cat of your stature!
Interesting to see how it pans out, previously I have pointed to the fact you have to subscribe to classic servers being the potential draw as much as the "classic" elements.
With WoW I presume you just pay the normal subscription, here I it is all going to be down to what vanilla was like. From what I have heard there is no rebalancing of gameplay, so you will have to take the rough with the smooth. I think many will be disappointed, many will be presently surprised.
i can see classic being successful as alot of people playing current wow will happily play classic or one of the other expansions when they get around to making them, for a different experience or because that's were they most enjoyed the game. I f blizzards smart they will make progressive servers at some stage as alot of the current player base never got to experience the earlier game and expansions.
Nobody knows, but Blizzard has a plan that they are not sharing yet.
****since none of this is offically reported - unsubstantiated rumor clause applies, so treat this post as such****
The plan beyond classic is this - redo all expansions with classic ruleset - yep. Thats why they need a team and thats why they see potential to keep this relevant and profitable even after noataliga wears off and numbers dwindle.
At least thats the plan now, after classic launches things might change
I would be so stoked to see them redo tbc, wrath and beyond with a vanilla ruleset!!! That sounds amazing!
Nobody knows, but Blizzard has a plan that they are not sharing yet.
****since none of this is offically reported - unsubstantiated rumor clause applies, so treat this post as such****
The plan beyond classic is this - redo all expansions with classic ruleset - yep. Thats why they need a team and thats why they see potential to keep this relevant and profitable even after noataliga wears off and numbers dwindle.
At least thats the plan now, after classic launches things might change
I would be so stoked to see them redo tbc, wrath and beyond with a vanilla ruleset!!! That sounds amazing!
It would be awesome but:
If something sounds to good to be true, it usually is.
No. Vanilla cannot be revived. Bringing back the mechanics doesn't bring back Vanilla.
Vanilla was when we did a dungeon because we didn't know what would drop. We didn't know how mobs, bosses, or patrols functioned. We struggled through and completing a dungeon felt like a victory. It was new. We were entering unexplored dungeons that didn't have a loot table posted on thottbot yet.
That's done. We will never experience that again in classic wow. That feeling of the unknown no longer exists. People will smash through Vanilla content like it was nothing. 60 dungeons won't be hard. They will be tedious. Killing bosses won't be exciting and full of hope that you will get some awesome item, it will be a chore you do until you get your BiS.
Vanilla is over. Re-creating the mechanics doesn't bring it back to life. After the "fresh" launch the vast majority of players will quit. It will be a rush to the top, but Vanilla was never about rushing to the top... we didn't know where the top was.
No. Vanilla cannot be revived. Bringing back the mechanics doesn't bring back Vanilla.
Vanilla was when we did a dungeon because we didn't know what would drop. We didn't know how mobs, bosses, or patrols functioned. We struggled through and completing a dungeon felt like a victory. It was new. We were entering unexplored dungeons that didn't have a loot table posted on thottbot yet.
That's done. We will never experience that again in classic wow. That feeling of the unknown no longer exists. People will smash through Vanilla content like it was nothing. 60 dungeons won't be hard. They will be tedious. Killing bosses won't be exciting and full of hope that you will get some awesome item, it will be a chore you do until you get your BiS.
Vanilla is over. Re-creating the mechanics doesn't bring it back to life. After the "fresh" launch the vast majority of players will quit. It will be a rush to the top, but Vanilla was never about rushing to the top... we didn't know where the top was.
Hmm, yet I still enjoy playing Diablo 2 and classic/TBC versions of WOW.
I think that classic servers can be done correctly, I am not sure what it would like. Blizzard might be the people to do it. We have seen many others try and it seems like Blizzard is good at looking at other companies failures and improving upon them.
I don't think the time progression servers nor is a static end date or a server with no future plans.
They need some sort of roadmap. I also suspect they will have to tweak somethings from "Classic" WoW.
I wonder if it would make sense for them to also put out a raiding server. Characters start at max level and then just focus on the raiding. Ever X months push expansion content reskinned for the level the max level.
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Lets hope they evaluate it in "the short run".... Because it's oblivious players will run the gambit and stop. They should analyze the excitement in the first few months.
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That said, regardless of who on these forums things Classic WOW is "good" or "bad", what is without question is that there is a substantial number of people world wide that DO get into how the game used to play...warts and all. There were private servers that shall not be named that had over a million registered accounts, 300-400 thousand active subs and were running between 5k - 10k server pop around the clock. That was all just for 1 private server ran by a rag tag group of developers as a hobby.
I also think they have something in mind larger than just version 1.12 World of Warcraft. If this works out, they could be working on a complete emulation of each expansion that players can go back and progress through. Find your favorite flavor of WOW and play it till your heart's content.
Vanilla was when we did a dungeon because we didn't know what would drop. We didn't know how mobs, bosses, or patrols functioned. We struggled through and completing a dungeon felt like a victory. It was new. We were entering unexplored dungeons that didn't have a loot table posted on thottbot yet.
That's done. We will never experience that again in classic wow. That feeling of the unknown no longer exists. People will smash through Vanilla content like it was nothing. 60 dungeons won't be hard. They will be tedious. Killing bosses won't be exciting and full of hope that you will get some awesome item, it will be a chore you do until you get your BiS.
Vanilla is over. Re-creating the mechanics doesn't bring it back to life. After the "fresh" launch the vast majority of players will quit. It will be a rush to the top, but Vanilla was never about rushing to the top... we didn't know where the top was.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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I say this because the "classic" servers will not progress. Ever. What is there to look forward to? Once you get your Grand Marshall/Warlord status and beat the 4 raids, what else will there be to do? I am wondering if they won't morph into TLP servers in the end. I don't see what the big deal would be. Make a voting system, with those holding multiple top level characters on the server having a vote weighed as maybe 2*number of characters at max of those without any or newer players, and allow the community to decide if you progress forward. Everquest has done that with what, 3 or 4 TLP servers now, and it has been a pretty good success for them. I just cannot see the draw of a "legacy" server that is stagnant at the farthest possible patch in the base game. But that's just me, I could be wrong.
With WoW I presume you just pay the normal subscription, here I it is all going to be down to what vanilla was like. From what I have heard there is no rebalancing of gameplay, so you will have to take the rough with the smooth. I think many will be disappointed, many will be presently surprised.
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