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Crytek Filing Lawsuit Against CIG

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  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 228
    SpottyGekko said:
    Kefo said:
    Crytek is going to rake CIG over the coals with this. 

    I wonder how much they will be awarded(if any) and I'm sure the lawyers will have fun going through CIG's financials in order to determine how much they actually owe Crytek lol.
    That could well be a cornerstone of Crytek's lawsuit.

    They could be betting on the fact that CIG don't want their financials picked-over in open court, so the chances of an out-of-court settlement could be good here, regardless of the merits of Crytek's claims... ;)
    The firm and lawyer heading the case with CryTek doesn't fool around and when they take a case it is never about settling out of court. Read up on these lawyers for CryTek, they don't take cases they will lose. They want everything on record and open and get every penny from CIG they have left. This is the end for Chris Roberts and Star Citizen.

    On upside, we at least will be able to look at books and see how much they used or wasted. Also be interesting to see if anyone from CIG gets jail time.
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  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 228
    Balmong said:
    This smacks of a company making a mountain out of a molehill in the hopes for a quick payout. Cryteks problems are well known, and the Amazon/CIG partnership has been in effect for a year now. Why wait on it for so long? If there really was an exclusivity contract, it doesn't seem like it would take long to claim a breach in that. 

    There is salt all over this lawsuit, I feel management at Crytek are trying to get back at CIG, because they're growing while Crytek is dwindling.
    Maybe, but Turkey just gave them 500 million so not sure they are hurting for money. We will have these answers soon at least.
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  • OrinoriOrinori Member RarePosts: 751
    ScotchUp said:
    Kefo said:
    Crytek is going to rake CIG over the coals with this. 

    I wonder how much they will be awarded(if any) and I'm sure the lawyers will have fun going through CIG's financials in order to determine how much they actually owe Crytek lol.
    That could well be a cornerstone of Crytek's lawsuit.

    They could be betting on the fact that CIG don't want their financials picked-over in open court, so the chances of an out-of-court settlement could be good here, regardless of the merits of Crytek's claims... ;)
    The firm and lawyer heading the case with CryTek doesn't fool around and when they take a case it is never about settling out of court. Read up on these lawyers for CryTek, they don't take cases they will lose. They want everything on record and open and get every penny from CIG they have left. This is the end for Chris Roberts and Star Citizen.

    On upside, we at least will be able to look at books and see how much they used or wasted. Also be interesting to see if anyone from CIG gets jail time.

    ScotchUp
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2017
    ScotchUp said:
    This is the end for Chris Roberts and Star Citizen. 
    If you wish hard enough it will happen! \o/

    "This is the end for Star Citizen", man this phrase has been so overused for the past few years that it's a cliché by now.
  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 228
    @MaxBacon have you read the complaint against CIG? Doesn't matter if CIG started changing to LY, CryTek was used to make the game, so even if they do switch and use LY they still have to say CryTek was used to build game. Also am pretty sure CryTek has downloaded latest client and must have seen a lot of CryTek still in it. This isn't going to be good for CIG.

    But at least this will end up proving which side was correct. No matter how you look at it this is the end of all the debating on this game, soon all answers will be released!
    MaxBacon
    “The reason I talk to myself is because I’m the only one whose answers I accept.”
    ― George Carlin
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    beebop500 said:
    Well, if CIG were to lose this suit and have to pay out X millions of dollars or whatever, we all know what will come afterward:  another "ship" or "land" sale to recoup lost funds!  According to some of their backers, that's supposed to show the "genius" of Roberts lmaoooooo
    no they would claim bankruptcy and that would be the end of everything.

    But then again the brashness of them and the stupidity of people willing to give them  money you never really know.
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2017
    ScotchUp said:
    @MaxBacon have you read the complaint against CIG? Doesn't matter if CIG started changing to LY, CryTek was used to make the game, so even if they do switch and use LY they still have to say CryTek was used to build game. Also am pretty sure CryTek has downloaded latest client and must have seen a lot of CryTek still in it. This isn't going to be good for CIG.

    But at least this will end up proving which side was correct. No matter how you look at it this is the end of all the debating on this game, soon all answers will be released!
    Yes I did. If you drop the bias narrative, perhaps you would understand that complaints of the type are purposely hyperbolic, it's just how it works.

    Second, you only have again, only one side of the hyperbole, the complaint, lacks the defense, only then you can ever perceive what is up here. The actual video I linked from the copyright laywer stream and how he explains everything is quite informative on this stuff.

    And last, when it comes to say that SC's engine has a lot of Cryengine on it, being Lumberyard mostly CryEngine code still, even if SC was 100% LY it would still have a lot of Cryengine on it, will be quite the interesting argument to make.
  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 228
    MaxBacon said:
    ScotchUp said:
    @MaxBacon have you read the complaint against CIG? Doesn't matter if CIG started changing to LY, CryTek was used to make the game, so even if they do switch and use LY they still have to say CryTek was used to build game. Also am pretty sure CryTek has downloaded latest client and must have seen a lot of CryTek still in it. This isn't going to be good for CIG.

    But at least this will end up proving which side was correct. No matter how you look at it this is the end of all the debating on this game, soon all answers will be released!
    Yes I did. If you drop the bias narrative, perhaps you would understand that complaints of the type are purposely hyperbolic, it's just how it works.

    Second, you only have again, only one side of the hyperbole, the complaint, lacks the defense, only then you can ever perceive what is up here. The actual video I linked from the copyright laywer stream and how he explains everything is quite informative on this stuff.

    And last, when it comes to say that SC's engine has a lot of Cryengine on it, being Lumberyard mostly CryEngine code still, even if SC was 100% LY it wold still have a lot of Cryengine on it, will be quite the interesting argument to make.

    Well I read Google removed majority of CryTek from LY. But even if they do does not mean CIG has the right to move their engine to LY without CryTek okay! That will hurt CIG in court. The 2 game issue will hurt, lot of proof on that one. Still glad this is happening, soon all this debating will be all over. We will know the truth!

    One thing Roberts should learn with all this, is he needs to keep his mouth shut. That causes him the most problems. 
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    ― George Carlin
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2017
    ScotchUp said:
    Well I read Google removed majority of CryTek from LY. But even if they do does not mean CIG has the right to move their engine to LY without CryTek okay! That will hurt CIG in court. The 2 game issue will hurt, lot of proof on that one. Still glad this is happening, soon all this debating will be all over. We will know the truth!

    One thing Roberts should learn with all this, is he needs to keep his mouth shut. That causes him the most problems. 
    Amazon you mean.

    And no that was not accurate, when Amazon got their branch of LY it was exactly the stock code source of Cryengine, what they did was develop upon it until today, having now their own stuff like DX12, 64bit (I think that was them) and so, that initial copy of Cryengine was Lumberyard and that's why arguments that "this code is mine not yours" seems to me to be a minefield.

    Anyway as the copyright lawyer in the stream perceives it, the fact Crytek's complaint is rather simple and doesn't go into expectable details, hints they are using this to push CIG into a settlement.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    ScotchUp said:

    One thing Roberts should learn with all this, is he needs to keep his mouth shut. That causes him the most problems. 
    Something Roberts and a guy with funny hair in the White House share in common ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 228
    MaxBacon said:
    ScotchUp said:
    Well I read Google removed majority of CryTek from LY. But even if they do does not mean CIG has the right to move their engine to LY without CryTek okay! That will hurt CIG in court. The 2 game issue will hurt, lot of proof on that one. Still glad this is happening, soon all this debating will be all over. We will know the truth!

    One thing Roberts should learn with all this, is he needs to keep his mouth shut. That causes him the most problems. 
    Amazon you mean.

    And no that was not accurate, when Amazon got their branch of LY it was exactly the stock code source of Cryengine, what they did was develop upon it until today, having now their own stuff like DX12, 64bit (I think that was them) and so, that initial copy of Cryengine was Lumberyard and that's why arguments that "this code is mine not yours" seems to me to be a minefield.

    Anyway as the copyright lawyer in the stream perceives it, the fact Crytek's complaint is rather simple and doesn't go into expectable details, hints they are using this to push CIG into a settlement.
    Yes Amazon, was reading an article earlier about Google. My mistake. Thanks for correction.
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  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 228
    laserit said:
    ScotchUp said:

    One thing Roberts should learn with all this, is he needs to keep his mouth shut. That causes him the most problems. 
    Something Roberts and a guy with funny hair in the White House share in common ;)
    No politics please, we aren't allowed to respond like some of us would like when people make comments like this. :s
    MaxBacon
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    ― George Carlin
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    LMAO people looking for ulterior motive from Crytek? Really? People are that deluded that they must want something? Yeah they do to be given credit for the work they did. Just because they had some financial issues awhile ago means little and the fact they got 500 million (which is 3 times what CiG has raised) (allegedly) shows they could buy and sell Roberts and Co if they wanted to.

    Sometimes people just get tired of getting screwed. And watching a snake oil salesman continue to fleece people who dont know nay better.

    I am a little shocked they got the law firm they did because there isnt a lot of money here but that might be THE point, it isnt about the money because there isnt any. The publicity and exposure alone makes this case attractive. Theyre about to bury the biggest scam ever perpetrated in gaming history and its going ot be glorious. 

    I would lay odds right now That They (crytek) DONT settle. They want everything on the public record.

    The more I have read about this and the parties involved its definitely not about the money I mean how much money do they (CiG ) realistically have left? Even if they have taken in the 173 million that have claimed how much of that is left? They JUST raided 8 million (allegedly) so that SHOULD be there, how much did they have before that 10? 20? 30? I doubt they had 10 and more than likely the 8, if its legit doubled what they have to work with.

    A law firm that just got a half BILLION win isnt going to dick around with this for money. Unless a judgement leads to a possible Amazon case down the road. THEN youre talking but its hard to tell now as I am sure anything like that would never come ot light. But they could be working to settle with Amazon and Roberts is just collateral.

    A lot of moving parts here. People can think Crytek is shady all they want but theyre snow white compared to Roberts.

    So its probably multi layered CiG is just publicity. If thats all its about then theyre (the law firm) is basically doing this for free. If its about Amazon then CiG publicity is just icing.

    Like I say I am literally praying that no one settles and all the financials get put on the public record then we will see just how solid this whole kickstarter and crowdfunding house of cards angle is. because if its exposed that CiG has wasted millions and tens of millions of dollars there will be some oversight and regulation put into this especially if there are hundreds of thousand  (almost 2 million according to the fanboys here) people sitting there with nothing to show for the money they put in and 6 years they have spent defending this craziness.
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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Balmong said:
    This smacks of a company making a mountain out of a molehill in the hopes for a quick payout. Cryteks problems are well known, and the Amazon/CIG partnership has been in effect for a year now. Why wait on it for so long? If there really was an exclusivity contract, it doesn't seem like it would take long to claim a breach in that. 

    There is salt all over this lawsuit, I feel management at Crytek are trying to get back at CIG, because they're growing while Crytek is dwindling.
    2 reasons

    1) you sit on it for as long as possible and then sue once more money has been made so you get a bigger payout 

    or, and this is the likely reason

    2) if you bothered to read the court documents Crytek tried to get CIG to play ball but CIG decided to tell Crytek to quietly go fuck themselves (by not responding) so Crytek needed to get lawyers involved and they had to do work to prep the case which means these things take time.

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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    rodarin said:
    LMAO people looking for ulterior motive from Crytek? Really? People are that deluded that they must want something? Yeah they do to be given credit for the work they did. Just because they had some financial issues awhile ago means little and the fact they got 500 million (which is 3 times what CiG has raised) (allegedly) shows they could buy and sell Roberts and Co if they wanted to.

    Sometimes people just get tired of getting screwed. And watching a snake oil salesman continue to fleece people who dont know nay better.

    I am a little shocked they got the law firm they did because there isnt a lot of money here but that might be THE point, it isnt about the money because there isnt any. The publicity and exposure alone makes this case attractive. Theyre about to bury the biggest scam ever perpetrated in gaming history and its going ot be glorious. 

    I would lay odds right now That They (crytek) DONT settle. They want everything on the public record.

    The more I have read about this and the parties involved its definitely not about the money I mean how much money do they (CiG ) realistically have left? Even if they have taken in the 173 million that have claimed how much of that is left? They JUST raided 8 million (allegedly) so that SHOULD be there, how much did they have before that 10? 20? 30? I doubt they had 10 and more than likely the 8, if its legit doubled what they have to work with.

    A law firm that just got a half BILLION win isnt going to dick around with this for money. Unless a judgement leads to a possible Amazon case down the road. THEN youre talking but its hard to tell now as I am sure anything like that would never come ot light. But they could be working to settle with Amazon and Roberts is just collateral.

    A lot of moving parts here. People can think Crytek is shady all they want but theyre snow white compared to Roberts.

    So its probably multi layered CiG is just publicity. If thats all its about then theyre (the law firm) is basically doing this for free. If its about Amazon then CiG publicity is just icing.

    Like I say I am literally praying that no one settles and all the financials get put on the public record then we will see just how solid this whole kickstarter and crowdfunding house of cards angle is. because if its exposed that CiG has wasted millions and tens of millions of dollars there will be some oversight and regulation put into this especially if there are hundreds of thousand  (almost 2 million according to the fanboys here) people sitting there with nothing to show for the money they put in and 6 years they have spent defending this craziness.
    If I were CIG right now I'd be sweating bullets cause if Crytek wins or is granted the injunction then I'm sure Coutts will have some words for Chris Roberts
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  • YanocchiYanocchi Member UncommonPosts: 677
    This must be a very happy day for Derek Smart.
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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Yanocchi said:
    This must be a very happy day for Derek Smart.
    Apparently this is lawsuit 1 of 3 if you listen to Derek
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    This could go on for years before a conclusion is reached. 

    It will be interesting if Bugsmashers did show the original code in videos.  I remember the Bugsmasher talking about having to go back into old code and update it in order to fix a problem. 

    If CIG is up against big guns they my have to hire additional attorneys but that's pure speculation on my part.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2017
    If CIG is up against big guns they my have to hire additional attorneys but that's pure speculation on my part.
    Or get behind Amazon, especially if they try to push authority over the engine they have now that on points they dispute is their engine; then it is Amazon losing out on money, their contract with CIG on SC's dev as they already merged with LY code. Quite a conflicting mix of interests may happen.
    Post edited by MaxBacon on
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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    MaxBacon said:
    If CIG is up against big guns they my have to hire additional attorneys but that's pure speculation on my part.
    Or get behind Amazon, especially if they try to push authority over the engine they have now that on points they dispute is their engine; then it is Amazon losing out on money, their contract with CIG on SC's dev as they already merged with LY code.
    Amazons lawyers might have a look at the claims brought against CIG and tell CIG you're on your own. Just depends on how badly they think CIG fucked up lol
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  • BalmongBalmong Member UncommonPosts: 170
    Kefo said:
    Yanocchi said:
    This must be a very happy day for Derek Smart.
    Apparently this is lawsuit 1 of 3 if you listen to Derek
    I'm sure he fed all the relevant info to Crytek and is on the phone with their lawyers now....
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  • rertezrertez Member UncommonPosts: 230
    Kefo said:
    MaxBacon said:
    If CIG is up against big guns they my have to hire additional attorneys but that's pure speculation on my part.
    Or get behind Amazon, especially if they try to push authority over the engine they have now that on points they dispute is their engine; then it is Amazon losing out on money, their contract with CIG on SC's dev as they already merged with LY code.
    Amazons lawyers might have a look at the claims brought against CIG and tell CIG you're on your own. Just depends on how badly they think CIG fucked up lol
    I guess Amazon's legal department have no interest in looking at a client's case that is not related to Amazon. Lumberyard is not a legal consulting service but a set of game dev tools and services given away for free.
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited December 2017
    Kefo said:
    Amazons lawyers might have a look at the claims brought against CIG and tell CIG you're on your own. Just depends on how badly they think CIG fucked up lol
    rertez said:
    I guess Amazon's legal department have no interest in looking at a client's case that is not related to Amazon. Lumberyard is not a legal consulting service but a set of game dev tools and services given away for free.
    Surely they do review, they have a contract under them that ties to the engine talks Crytek is disputing, if they think Crytek is taking a profit on something they do cut their profit, who is going to get returns from the profits of the game for example and their license of LY for SC, then you sure they have interest on it if they see ways to counter Crytek's intent that is on both Amazon's and CIG's mutual benefit. 
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    MaxBacon said:
    Kefo said:
    Amazons lawyers might have a look at the claims brought against CIG and tell CIG you're on your own. Just depends on how badly they think CIG fucked up lol
    rertez said:
    I guess Amazon's legal department have no interest in looking at a client's case that is not related to Amazon. Lumberyard is not a legal consulting service but a set of game dev tools and services given away for free.
    Surely they do review, but they have a contract under them that ties to the engine talks Crytek is disputing, if they think Crytek is taking a profit on something they do can take a profit, who is going to get returns from the profits of the game for example, then you sure they have interest on it if they see ways to counter Crytek's intent.
    They might also be smart about it and realize them throwing themselves into the middle of a lawsuit that has nothing to do with them might be slightly stupid.

    CIG breached their contract (among other things) and I'd be very surprised if amazon involved itself. That would be like an author that sells their books on Amazon being sued for copyright infringement and Amazon stepping in to support the author
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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    rertez said:
    Kefo said:
    MaxBacon said:
    If CIG is up against big guns they my have to hire additional attorneys but that's pure speculation on my part.
    Or get behind Amazon, especially if they try to push authority over the engine they have now that on points they dispute is their engine; then it is Amazon losing out on money, their contract with CIG on SC's dev as they already merged with LY code.
    Amazons lawyers might have a look at the claims brought against CIG and tell CIG you're on your own. Just depends on how badly they think CIG fucked up lol
    I guess Amazon's legal department have no interest in looking at a client's case that is not related to Amazon. Lumberyard is not a legal consulting service but a set of game dev tools and services given away for free.
    thats the key LY is free. you can literally go to here

    https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/

    and get it. thats why I dont think the law firm representing Crytek is interested in money especially Amazon money because Amazon is fre and clear. There may be some back room dealing that might have to be settled but nothing that would amount to a big money deal.

    Amazon isnt going to back Roberts or anyone else they dont have to.  

    Roberts made up a bunch of shit (like we said he did) and made it out like he and Amazon were partners and whatever other nonsense he could invent to sucker more people out of money. This was exactly a year ago. All that was said is easily searched for.

    But trying to be the big man and the savior he talked about how He and Amazon reinvented the whole engine how it was not even the same thing as Cryengine anymore (even though it was exactly the same) and how it was a great leap forward.

    So once again his words and over embellishment are getting him in trouble except this time its going to be the nail in the coffin I think.

    This from the very website I posted the link to above says it all.... 

    "We decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen."
     
    Chris Roberts, Cloud Imperium Games

    I bet that gets taken off that page at some point.

     

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