we had moved on from the violence bit. I think its absurd to 'protect people from the evils of gambling' when the game in question is 100% about killing and I also very frankly do not believe people when they say they do not see the irony, regardless of their view on the subject itself.
So I have let that go.
Now we are talking about addiction...ready....?
'video games are addictive'
that is the response that could happen if you start trying to protect people from addictive 'substances' in video games
Pretending something isn't happening isn't the same as that thing not happening, that younger players are getting involved with gambling at an age where they are easily influenced, not good, the only thing that needs to happen, is for existing laws to be enacted without exception, if a game contains gambling mechanics, which SW:BF2 and Destiny 2 both do without question, then they should be forced to adhere to the same laws as other online casinos/bingo websites etc. And that is that there should be an adult rating on those games, and playing them means you have to verify your age in a way that is provable, just as it is done with online gambling, it really is that simple, the only reason this is a problem for game publishers etc. is that they want to sell these games to minors and they don't have a problem with exploiting the vulnerable through gambling, any question of whether that is true or not should be amply verified just from EA's recent ####### copywrite applications. And no, video games aren't addictive, unless you put gambling into them to make it so, or was that too obvious a conclusion?
my statement has nothing to do with 'pretending its not happening.
1. The government should not be in the business of being a parent for every child and every adult. They should not be in the business of making sure kids are protected from the cold by making it a legal requirement to bundle up. it should not be a legal requirement to make an A in class. Protecting childern from a legal standpoint has to be limited and serious.
2. Childern are without any question whatsoever at a higher risk of being addicted to video games then they are to gambling. So we should regulate the hours spent on video games?
3. hiding the addictive substances NEVER works for curing addiction. Because some people have addictive personalities that need to be cured, NOT just contained. Those people will become addicted to ANYTHING that gives them a high level of dopamine which means EVERYTHING that is enjoyable.
Its pointless addressing those 3 points, because they are incorrect anyway, exactly how you came to those conclusions i have no idea.
To give you an example, without regulation of the food industry you could easily sell goods/products that contained addictive substances, is it the governments job to regulate this or not? Why are there gambling laws in the first place? Why are there age requirements when it comes to gambling.
while you do not consider gambling to be all that much of a thing, you think video games are more addictive for some weird reason, so unless you are some kind of EA apologist or work for them or Bungie, i have no idea why you would have such an insane stance on this subject to be so defensive about it.
we had moved on from the violence bit. I think its absurd to 'protect people from the evils of gambling' when the game in question is 100% about killing and I also very frankly do not believe people when they say they do not see the irony, regardless of their view on the subject itself.
So I have let that go.
Now we are talking about addiction...ready....?
'video games are addictive'
that is the response that could happen if you start trying to protect people from addictive 'substances' in video games
Pretending something isn't happening isn't the same as that thing not happening, that younger players are getting involved with gambling at an age where they are easily influenced, not good, the only thing that needs to happen, is for existing laws to be enacted without exception, if a game contains gambling mechanics, which SW:BF2 and Destiny 2 both do without question, then they should be forced to adhere to the same laws as other online casinos/bingo websites etc. And that is that there should be an adult rating on those games, and playing them means you have to verify your age in a way that is provable, just as it is done with online gambling, it really is that simple, the only reason this is a problem for game publishers etc. is that they want to sell these games to minors and they don't have a problem with exploiting the vulnerable through gambling, any question of whether that is true or not should be amply verified just from EA's recent ####### copywrite applications. And no, video games aren't addictive, unless you put gambling into them to make it so, or was that too obvious a conclusion?
my statement has nothing to do with 'pretending its not happening.
1. The government should not be in the business of being a parent for every child and every adult. They should not be in the business of making sure kids are protected from the cold by making it a legal requirement to bundle up. it should not be a legal requirement to make an A in class. Protecting childern from a legal standpoint has to be limited and serious.
2. Childern are without any question whatsoever at a higher risk of being addicted to video games then they are to gambling. So we should regulate the hours spent on video games?
3. hiding the addictive substances NEVER works for curing addiction. Because some people have addictive personalities that need to be cured, NOT just contained. Those people will become addicted to ANYTHING that gives them a high level of dopamine which means EVERYTHING that is enjoyable.
Its pointless addressing those 3 points, because they are incorrect anyway, exactly how you came to those conclusions i have no idea.
To give you an example, without regulation of the food industry you could easily sell goods/products that contained addictive substances, is it the governments job to regulate this or not? Why are there gambling laws in the first place? Why are there age requirements when it comes to gambling.
while you do not consider gambling to be all that much of a thing, you think video games are more addictive for some weird reason, so unless you are some kind of EA apologist or work for them or Bungie, i have no idea why you would have such an insane stance on this subject to be so defensive about it.
regulating food so that it doesnt kill people and regulating gambling because people might get addicted is a HUGE stretch.
I say again....if you walk up to a centralized authority and say 'gambling is addictive we need to regulate it in video games' the response is going to be 'yeah but video games are addictive'. I know a lot of people who believe that AND have statistically information to back it up.
There has to be a line, a point, when a person is responsible for their actions, is that at not posining food? or is it at knowing what to wear when going outside? where is the line?
MOST IMPORTANTLY...an agenda based on false motovations is likely to fail. Not for one second to I believe that posters here are motovated to rid gaming of gambling because of kids. Yes I know they have kids, and yes i know they care about them and yes I know its 'possible' but I do not for a second believe 'the kids' is the source of the motovation here
and the reason gambling is regulated is mostly because its stupid regulation but part of it that ensures that the gambling itself actually has the odds it says it does. have you seen Casino Jack by the way?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
we had moved on from the violence bit. I think its absurd to 'protect people from the evils of gambling' when the game in question is 100% about killing and I also very frankly do not believe people when they say they do not see the irony, regardless of their view on the subject itself.
So I have let that go.
Now we are talking about addiction...ready....?
'video games are addictive'
that is the response that could happen if you start trying to protect people from addictive 'substances' in video games
Pretending something isn't happening isn't the same as that thing not happening, that younger players are getting involved with gambling at an age where they are easily influenced, not good, the only thing that needs to happen, is for existing laws to be enacted without exception, if a game contains gambling mechanics, which SW:BF2 and Destiny 2 both do without question, then they should be forced to adhere to the same laws as other online casinos/bingo websites etc. And that is that there should be an adult rating on those games, and playing them means you have to verify your age in a way that is provable, just as it is done with online gambling, it really is that simple, the only reason this is a problem for game publishers etc. is that they want to sell these games to minors and they don't have a problem with exploiting the vulnerable through gambling, any question of whether that is true or not should be amply verified just from EA's recent ####### copywrite applications. And no, video games aren't addictive, unless you put gambling into them to make it so, or was that too obvious a conclusion?
my statement has nothing to do with 'pretending its not happening.
1. The government should not be in the business of being a parent for every child and every adult. They should not be in the business of making sure kids are protected from the cold by making it a legal requirement to bundle up. it should not be a legal requirement to make an A in class. Protecting childern from a legal standpoint has to be limited and serious.
2. Childern are without any question whatsoever at a higher risk of being addicted to video games then they are to gambling. So we should regulate the hours spent on video games?
3. hiding the addictive substances NEVER works for curing addiction. Because some people have addictive personalities that need to be cured, NOT just contained. Those people will become addicted to ANYTHING that gives them a high level of dopamine which means EVERYTHING that is enjoyable.
Its pointless addressing those 3 points, because they are incorrect anyway, exactly how you came to those conclusions i have no idea.
To give you an example, without regulation of the food industry you could easily sell goods/products that contained addictive substances, is it the governments job to regulate this or not? Why are there gambling laws in the first place? Why are there age requirements when it comes to gambling.
while you do not consider gambling to be all that much of a thing, you think video games are more addictive for some weird reason, so unless you are some kind of EA apologist or work for them or Bungie, i have no idea why you would have such an insane stance on this subject to be so defensive about it.
regulating food so that it doesnt kill people and regulating gambling because people might get addicted is a HUGE stretch.
I say again....if you walk up to a centralized authority and say 'gambling is addictive we need to regulate it in video games' the response is going to be 'yeah but video games are addictive'. I know a lot of people who believe that AND have statistically information to back it up.
There has to be a line, a point, when a person is responsible for their actions, is that at not posining food? or is it at knowing what to wear when going outside? where is the line?
MOST IMPORTANTLY...an agenda based on false motovations is likely to fail. Not for one second to I believe that posters here are motovated to rid gaming of gambling because of kids. Yes I know they have kids, and yes i know they care about them and yes I know its 'possible' but I do not for a second believe 'the kids' is the source of the motovation here
and the reason gambling is regulated is mostly because its stupid regulation but part of it that ensures that the gambling itself actually has the odds it says it does. have you seen Casino Jack by the way?
Gambling is already regulated. Last I checked online gambling is done via video games. I mean online poker sure looks like a video game to me and come to mention it... those new age slot machines in the casinos sure look like video games.
The necessary rules and regulations are already in place. All that needs doing is to eliminate the loopholes that these companies are taking advantage of.
Gambling is already regulated. Last I checked online gambling is done via video games. I mean online poker sure looks like a video game to me and come to mention it... those new age slot machines in the casinos sure look like video games.
The necessary rules and regulations are already in place. All that needs doing is to eliminate the loopholes that these companies are taking advantage of.
and I am saying I do not agree with such regulations.
I do agree that odds need to be discloused but I do not think gambling needs to be regulated for the very same reasons I am suggesting it should not be restricted (or rather banned) from in games. There are far to many non physical substances that can be argued to be 'addictive' including games themselves and we cant regulate good spending habits that is just silly.
Have you seen Casino Jack? there is a good explaination as to why regulation might be actually in place.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Gambling is already regulated. Last I checked online gambling is done via video games. I mean online poker sure looks like a video game to me and come to mention it... those new age slot machines in the casinos sure look like video games.
The necessary rules and regulations are already in place. All that needs doing is to eliminate the loopholes that these companies are taking advantage of.
and I am saying I do not agree with such regulations.
I do agree that odds need to be discloused but I do not think gambling needs to be regulated for the very same reasons I am suggesting it should not be restricted (or rather banned) from in games. There are far to many non physical substances that can be argued to be 'addictive' including games themselves and we cant regulate good spending habits that is just silly.
Have you seen Casino Jack? there is a good explaination as to why regulation might be actually in place.
Maybe if politicians ever had to do time for corruption, there might be a little less of it.
I love the idea of deregulated gambling.
Just think.... we can have slot machines in all the grocery stores, pay an extra 5 bucks for a chance to get you groceries for free. Hell everything we buy could have a game of chance attached.
Think of all the money that could be made from those pesky little kids. $1 a crack for the chance to win a *free* Xbox or PS4 with your candy bar.
Gambling is already regulated. Last I checked online gambling is done via video games. I mean online poker sure looks like a video game to me and come to mention it... those new age slot machines in the casinos sure look like video games.
The necessary rules and regulations are already in place. All that needs doing is to eliminate the loopholes that these companies are taking advantage of.
and I am saying I do not agree with such regulations.
I do agree that odds need to be discloused but I do not think gambling needs to be regulated for the very same reasons I am suggesting it should not be restricted (or rather banned) from in games. There are far to many non physical substances that can be argued to be 'addictive' including games themselves and we cant regulate good spending habits that is just silly.
Have you seen Casino Jack? there is a good explaination as to why regulation might be actually in place.
Maybe if politicians ever had to do time for corruption, there might be a little less of it.
I love the idea of deregulated gambling.
Just think.... we can have slot machines in all the grocery stores, pay an extra 5 bucks for a chance to get you groceries for free. Hell everything we buy could have a game of chance attached.
Think of all the money that could be made from those pesky little kids. $1 a crack for the chance to win a *free* Xbox or PS4 with your candy bar.
Fuck we could gamble for everything.
Nothing like easy money.
but we DO gamble for everything.
it has been argued that games historically are a way for people to test their skills against......randomness and as a side note the stock market is mostly gambling.
because a person says 'smoking should not be made illegal' doesnt mean its going to be on every street corner. because a person says 'wearing the proper clothes to make yourself warm should not be a legal requirement but rather a choice' doesnt mean everyone is going to be running around naked in 32 degree weather.
at some point personal choice needs to come into play, we can not and should not regulate good choices and good behavior in all things, so where is the line?
also, in Oklahoma lobbyists working for Native Americans where paid to convince people via radio that gambling was bad. why? because Oklahoma wanted gambling but didn't want to compete with Texas.
In my mind gambling laws are stupid, outside of disclosing the odd, I think banning it is absurd.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
Another person grossly overstating the cons of government oversight, a wholly bandwagon position if I ever saw one.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
Another person grossly overstating the cons of government oversight, a wholly bandwagon position if I ever saw one.
its measured isnt?
regulation to make sure water companies do not put poison in the water = good
regulation to make it illegal to wear anything that allows your core temperature to get too low so that you dont catch a cold = something mommy should do.
so where does gambling fit on that scale is the question
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
its a matter of degrees and nobody is suggesting zero rules.
do you have rules to protect people from poisionious water? = yes do you have rules that require people to not let their core temperature get to cold incase they catch a cold = no that is mommies job.
so where does how I spend MY money on what I want affect you?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To be fair, the food industry regulates itself which isn't a good thing. They also control the food pyramid. It's a joke. There is more calcium in a cup of broccoli than a glass of milk.
I still consider some current games utilizing: RNG &/or loot boxes as part of gambling nowadays. If the statistical odds are not published for transparency then is it not gambling by definition since the odds are unknown?
Yes, yes but this loot box guarantees me this 1 item that is deemed the least valuable therefore it isn't gambling. That statement is a marketing ploy otherwise these gaming companies would not place other items deemed more valuable in loot boxes. Legal gambling has regulations it is suppose to follow so in some cases some of these games should follow those regulations as well.
It will probably take a class action lawsuit before some of these companies cease their predatory tactics. The company wants to make money, nothing wrong with that, it used to be by delivering a good quality game & now it is by siphoning resources away from the production of a good quality game into a hybrid game slot machine. It is the latest version of an easier method of making money & we are, as players, paying for it while the companies smile.
The single reason these companies do not publish their odds in these gambling mechanics is because the companies know it would dissuade players from spending money on it.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
If you really cared about the kids you would ban them from gaming and force the play60 on them. Protecting 1% from gambling is pretty far down the list of possible things, but hey it fits the narrative you want to push.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
If you really cared about the kids you would ban them from gaming and force the play60 on them. Protecting 1% from gambling is pretty far down the list of possible things, but hey it fits the narrative you want to push.
I raised four children of my own. I care about them, I care about their friends, I care about my neighbors, I care about the society I live in.
Have you ever traveled? Ever been to places where you have to put bars on every window? Where you have to watch it when you shut your car door because there will be a little six year old trying to catch the door before it completely closes. Places where you have to pay neighborhood gangs protection money every month so your house doesn't get robbed?
I've been to places like that and it's a pretty fucking eye opening experience. Societies where no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. Societies that have very little rules and regulations.
Now the wife says it's dinner time so I'll have to finish later.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
If you really cared about the kids you would ban them from gaming and force the play60 on them. Protecting 1% from gambling is pretty far down the list of possible things, but hey it fits the narrative you want to push.
I raised four children of my own. I care about them, I care about their friends, I care about my neighbors, I care about the society I live in.
Have you ever traveled? Ever been to places where you have to put bars on every window? Where you have to watch it when you shut your car door because there will be a little six year old trying to catch the door before it completely closes. Places where you have to pay neighborhood gangs protection money every month so your house doesn't get robbed?
I've been to places like that and it's a pretty fucking eye opening experience. Societies where no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. Societies that have very little rules and regulations.
Now the wife says it's dinner time so I'll have to finish later.
So we are stopping the bars on the windows by going after the problem that effects the least amount of children while ignoring the much more dangerous and horrible things that happen to them. Sounds great to have the government waste time on that instead of any other issue that actually screws a higher percentage of kids over a situation that parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing....but hey some parents just want the government to raise their kids so they do not have the take the blame for their kids crappy behavior.
Once again protect the kids and ban gaming it is shown to have effects on attention, social interaction disorders, physical health problems, and arthritis. So get the government on monitoring our playing time and limiting people.
People still drink, smoke, overindulge in porn, and eat fast food. I doubt stopping the use of video games is a top priority for companies. Most of the issues that arise from it are because of lack of self-control. No offense to places like China and Russia, but I'd rather not have the government telling me I can only play games for x amount of hours. All I needed when I was young was to hear drinking and drugs were not good for me to not use them. Unfortunately, the government was promoting fast food at the time due to corporate pressure. Little was known about computer games either. Luckily most issues that arise from either of those can be solved with a little exercise and discipline. You don't need to be a super health nut and exercise fanatic. You just need to cut out the unhealthy food, get some things in your diet every day, and get a little exercise. This could just be walking around or doing everyday chores like making food and doing the wash.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
If you really cared about the kids you would ban them from gaming and force the play60 on them. Protecting 1% from gambling is pretty far down the list of possible things, but hey it fits the narrative you want to push.
I raised four children of my own. I care about them, I care about their friends, I care about my neighbors, I care about the society I live in.
Have you ever traveled? Ever been to places where you have to put bars on every window? Where you have to watch it when you shut your car door because there will be a little six year old trying to catch the door before it completely closes. Places where you have to pay neighborhood gangs protection money every month so your house doesn't get robbed?
I've been to places like that and it's a pretty fucking eye opening experience. Societies where no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. Societies that have very little rules and regulations.
Now the wife says it's dinner time so I'll have to finish later.
So we are stopping the bars on the windows by going after the problem that effects the least amount of children while ignoring the much more dangerous and horrible things that happen to them. Sounds great to have the government waste time on that instead of any other issue that actually screws a higher percentage of kids over a situation that parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing....but hey some parents just want the government to raise their kids so they do not have the take the blame for their kids crappy behavior.
Once again protect the kids and ban gaming it is shown to have effects on attention, social interaction disorders, physical health problems, and arthritis. So get the government on monitoring our playing time and limiting people.
Well you know those politician guys are really working hard.
Can't be having them waste their time on silly little things like introducing children into the wonderful world of slot machines for the chance of the next round of shiny pixel toys that they need to be competitive and not suck in the latest greatest video game. Important to not suck when your a kid. Do you remember what it was like to be a kid?
These companies want to be greedy assholes, well then keep it to the adults and stop exploiting children.
Keep this loot box garbage away from kids toys. That's what most these video games are becoming, they're becoming nothing but toys.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
If you really cared about the kids you would ban them from gaming and force the play60 on them. Protecting 1% from gambling is pretty far down the list of possible things, but hey it fits the narrative you want to push.
I raised four children of my own. I care about them, I care about their friends, I care about my neighbors, I care about the society I live in.
Have you ever traveled? Ever been to places where you have to put bars on every window? Where you have to watch it when you shut your car door because there will be a little six year old trying to catch the door before it completely closes. Places where you have to pay neighborhood gangs protection money every month so your house doesn't get robbed?
I've been to places like that and it's a pretty fucking eye opening experience. Societies where no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. Societies that have very little rules and regulations.
Now the wife says it's dinner time so I'll have to finish later.
So we are stopping the bars on the windows by going after the problem that effects the least amount of children while ignoring the much more dangerous and horrible things that happen to them. Sounds great to have the government waste time on that instead of any other issue that actually screws a higher percentage of kids over a situation that parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing....but hey some parents just want the government to raise their kids so they do not have the take the blame for their kids crappy behavior.
Once again protect the kids and ban gaming it is shown to have effects on attention, social interaction disorders, physical health problems, and arthritis. So get the government on monitoring our playing time and limiting people.
Well you know those politician guys are really working hard.
Can't be having them waste their time on silly little things like introducing children into the wonderful world of slot machines for the chance of the next round of shiny pixel toys that they need to be competitive and not suck in the latest greatest video game. Important to not suck when your a kid. Do you remember what it was like to be a kid?
These companies want to be greedy assholes, well then keep it to the adults and stop exploiting children.
Keep this loot box garbage away from kids toys. That's what most these video games are becoming, they're becoming nothing but toys.
The game part is almost gone.
Again, I don't think that there has been ANY data on who buys this stuff, so you're still making assumptions about who is buying. You're effectively being an alarmist. You have no supporting evidence to support your theory. In fact, about 70% of gamers are over the age of 18.
Yes, I said something I thought I would never say but it's quite clear that game development companies no longer have the ability to focus on creating quality games. Over the past 5 years the focus has changed from creating entertainment that sells to creating revenue schemes targeting consumers and not delivering on product. Before you flame take a look at the following ideas for regulation:
1. Games advertised as 'Early Access' and accept money in exchange for allowing a gamer to play the game before release must publicly state a release date. If that date is not met or changed at any time then the game company must offer a full refund to the gamer at the gamers request.
2. Games implementing loot boxes must publicly post the odds of winning each item in the item pool. Loot boxes will be classified as gambling and will be taxed as such, all revenue generated from loot boxes must be reported for tax purposes. All items which gamers are gambling for must be public knowledge including an item description and abilities of the item. Game companies that update or change item abilities after being won in the loot box gambling system must offer a refund to the gamer if requested.
3. Every non consumable item (mounts, clothing, weapons) available for purchase through an online cash shop must include a target expiration date. If a game is shutdown by the gaming company before the expiration date of item purchased then the game company is responsible to reimburse the gamer for the item purchased.
4. Purchasing made through online shops or any other avenue must be approved by a consenting adult. Gross purchases made without adult approval is subject to 100% refund upon request. The game company must show that a consenting adult has made the purchase.
These are just some starting ideas but I think you get the picture as to why we now need something like this. Gamers are severely getting ripped off across all types of games and I hate to say it but we now need some kind of consumer protection.
Inviting the government into our lives. What could go wrong? Oh, and the children!
This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
We sure don't want the government stepping on any corporate toes. They should be free to make money with any concoction they can come up with, rules be damned.
Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
If you really cared about the kids you would ban them from gaming and force the play60 on them. Protecting 1% from gambling is pretty far down the list of possible things, but hey it fits the narrative you want to push.
I raised four children of my own. I care about them, I care about their friends, I care about my neighbors, I care about the society I live in.
Have you ever traveled? Ever been to places where you have to put bars on every window? Where you have to watch it when you shut your car door because there will be a little six year old trying to catch the door before it completely closes. Places where you have to pay neighborhood gangs protection money every month so your house doesn't get robbed?
I've been to places like that and it's a pretty fucking eye opening experience. Societies where no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. Societies that have very little rules and regulations.
Now the wife says it's dinner time so I'll have to finish later.
So we are stopping the bars on the windows by going after the problem that effects the least amount of children while ignoring the much more dangerous and horrible things that happen to them. Sounds great to have the government waste time on that instead of any other issue that actually screws a higher percentage of kids over a situation that parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing....but hey some parents just want the government to raise their kids so they do not have the take the blame for their kids crappy behavior.
Once again protect the kids and ban gaming it is shown to have effects on attention, social interaction disorders, physical health problems, and arthritis. So get the government on monitoring our playing time and limiting people.
Well you know those politician guys are really working hard.
Can't be having them waste their time on silly little things like introducing children into the wonderful world of slot machines for the chance of the next round of shiny pixel toys that they need to be competitive and not suck in the latest greatest video game. Important to not suck when your a kid. Do you remember what it was like to be a kid?
These companies want to be greedy assholes, well then keep it to the adults and stop exploiting children.
Keep this loot box garbage away from kids toys. That's what most these video games are becoming, they're becoming nothing but toys.
The game part is almost gone.
Again, I don't think that there has been ANY data on who buys this stuff, so you're still making assumptions about who is buying. You're effectively being an alarmist. You have no supporting evidence to support your theory. In fact, about 70% of gamers are over the age of 18.
Can't be having them waste their time on silly little things like introducing children into the wonderful world of slot machines for the chance of the next round of shiny pixel toys that they need to be competitive and not suck in the latest greatest video game. Important to not suck when your a kid. Do you remember what it was like to be a kid?
These companies want to be greedy assholes, well then keep it to the adults and stop exploiting children.
Keep this loot box garbage away from kids toys. That's what most these video games are becoming, they're becoming nothing but toys.
The game part is almost gone.
Again, I don't think that there has been ANY data on who buys this stuff, so you're still making assumptions about who is buying. You're effectively being an alarmist. You have no supporting evidence to support your theory. In fact, about 70% of gamers are over the age of 18.
Yup, but they represent less than 1/3 of people who play video games. So to say that kids are their target is actually quite inaccurate.
Hmmmmm, who will I target? The 71% of people who have credit cards and play my game? Or the less than 30% of people who play my games and need permission to spend money?
Also, remember that many of these games are time sinks and kids have more time to play than adults, so the mechanics are actually geared towards having adults pay, not kids.
You can dislike the idea of loot boxes, but if you're going to make an argument then at least come with statistics supporting it as problematic. Right now, all you're doing is making very thinly-veiled arguments with no actual evidence in support of it. I've been watching for something more than anecdotal evidence for a couple months now with nothing. Like before we bring out the pitchforks let's get something concrete. Unless you're a fan of witch hunts, but I'm not.
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To give you an example, without regulation of the food industry you could easily sell goods/products that contained addictive substances, is it the governments job to regulate this or not?
Why are there gambling laws in the first place?
Why are there age requirements when it comes to gambling.
while you do not consider gambling to be all that much of a thing, you think video games are more addictive for some weird reason, so unless you are some kind of EA apologist or work for them or Bungie, i have no idea why you would have such an insane stance on this subject to be so defensive about it.
Ban video games.
I say again....if you walk up to a centralized authority and say 'gambling is addictive we need to regulate it in video games' the response is going to be 'yeah but video games are addictive'. I know a lot of people who believe that AND have statistically information to back it up.
There has to be a line, a point, when a person is responsible for their actions, is that at not posining food? or is it at knowing what to wear when going outside? where is the line?
MOST IMPORTANTLY...an agenda based on false motovations is likely to fail. Not for one second to I believe that posters here are motovated to rid gaming of gambling because of kids. Yes I know they have kids, and yes i know they care about them and yes I know its 'possible' but I do not for a second believe 'the kids' is the source of the motovation here
and the reason gambling is regulated is mostly because its stupid regulation but part of it that ensures that the gambling itself actually has the odds it says it does.
have you seen Casino Jack by the way?
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The necessary rules and regulations are already in place. All that needs doing is to eliminate the loopholes that these companies are taking advantage of.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I do agree that odds need to be discloused but I do not think gambling needs to be regulated for the very same reasons I am suggesting it should not be restricted (or rather banned) from in games.
There are far to many non physical substances that can be argued to be 'addictive' including games themselves and we cant regulate good spending habits that is just silly.
Have you seen Casino Jack? there is a good explaination as to why regulation might be actually in place.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shift-mind/200812/looking-greed-addictive-dysfunction
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I love the idea of deregulated gambling.
Just think.... we can have slot machines in all the grocery stores, pay an extra 5 bucks for a chance to get you groceries for free. Hell everything we buy could have a game of chance attached.
Think of all the money that could be made from those pesky little kids. $1 a crack for the chance to win a *free* Xbox or PS4 with your candy bar.
Fuck we could gamble for everything.
Nothing like easy money.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
it has been argued that games historically are a way for people to test their skills against......randomness and as a side note the stock market is mostly gambling.
because a person says 'smoking should not be made illegal' doesnt mean its going to be on every street corner. because a person says 'wearing the proper clothes to make yourself warm should not be a legal requirement but rather a choice' doesnt mean everyone is going to be running around naked in 32 degree weather.
at some point personal choice needs to come into play, we can not and should not regulate good choices and good behavior in all things, so where is the line?
also, in Oklahoma lobbyists working for Native Americans where paid to convince people via radio that gambling was bad. why? because Oklahoma wanted gambling but didn't want to compete with Texas.
In my mind gambling laws are stupid, outside of disclosing the odd, I think banning it is absurd.
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This is an example of how free markets work. Don't play.
You guys begged for F2P and you got it.
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regulation to make sure water companies do not put poison in the water = good
regulation to make it illegal to wear anything that allows your core temperature to get too low so that you dont catch a cold = something mommy should do.
so where does gambling fit on that scale is the question
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Imagine a football game with no rules. You know everyone is going to be nice and play fair.
And the children.... Fuck the children, they're too small and inexperienced to fight back anyway.
The only Free Market is the Black Market. How do you think they play? You know when that guy says his Rolex's are genuine , you can take his word for it.
What a wonderful world it would be
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
do you have rules to protect people from poisionious water? = yes
do you have rules that require people to not let their core temperature get to cold incase they catch a cold = no that is mommies job.
so where does how I spend MY money on what I want affect you?
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Yes, yes but this loot box guarantees me this 1 item that is deemed the least valuable therefore it isn't gambling. That statement is a marketing ploy otherwise these gaming companies would not place other items deemed more valuable in loot boxes. Legal gambling has regulations it is suppose to follow so in some cases some of these games should follow those regulations as well.
It will probably take a class action lawsuit before some of these companies cease their predatory tactics. The company wants to make money, nothing wrong with that, it used to be by delivering a good quality game & now it is by siphoning resources away from the production of a good quality game into a hybrid game slot machine. It is the latest version of an easier method of making money & we are, as players, paying for it while the companies smile.
The single reason these companies do not publish their odds in these gambling mechanics is because the companies know it would dissuade players from spending money on it.
Have you ever traveled? Ever been to places where you have to put bars on every window? Where you have to watch it when you shut your car door because there will be a little six year old trying to catch the door before it completely closes. Places where you have to pay neighborhood gangs protection money every month so your house doesn't get robbed?
I've been to places like that and it's a pretty fucking eye opening experience. Societies where no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. Societies that have very little rules and regulations.
Now the wife says it's dinner time so I'll have to finish later.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
So we are stopping the bars on the windows by going after the problem that effects the least amount of children while ignoring the much more dangerous and horrible things that happen to them. Sounds great to have the government waste time on that instead of any other issue that actually screws a higher percentage of kids over a situation that parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing....but hey some parents just want the government to raise their kids so they do not have the take the blame for their kids crappy behavior.
Once again protect the kids and ban gaming it is shown to have effects on attention, social interaction disorders, physical health problems, and arthritis. So get the government on monitoring our playing time and limiting people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/14/the-most-depressing-graphic-for-members-of-congress/?utm_term=.2d4fac1909fb
Can't be having them waste their time on silly little things like introducing children into the wonderful world of slot machines for the chance of the next round of shiny pixel toys that they need to be competitive and not suck in the latest greatest video game. Important to not suck when your a kid. Do you remember what it was like to be a kid?
These companies want to be greedy assholes, well then keep it to the adults and stop exploiting children.
Keep this loot box garbage away from kids toys. That's what most these video games are becoming, they're becoming nothing but toys.
The game part is almost gone.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Again, I don't think that there has been ANY data on who buys this stuff, so you're still making assumptions about who is buying. You're effectively being an alarmist. You have no supporting evidence to support your theory. In fact, about 70% of gamers are over the age of 18.
Crazkanuk
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https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/91-percent-of-kids-play-video-games-says-study/
That's a lot of kids
Do you think 91% of adults play video games?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Yup, but they represent less than 1/3 of people who play video games. So to say that kids are their target is actually quite inaccurate.
Hmmmmm, who will I target? The 71% of people who have credit cards and play my game? Or the less than 30% of people who play my games and need permission to spend money?
Also, remember that many of these games are time sinks and kids have more time to play than adults, so the mechanics are actually geared towards having adults pay, not kids.
You can dislike the idea of loot boxes, but if you're going to make an argument then at least come with statistics supporting it as problematic. Right now, all you're doing is making very thinly-veiled arguments with no actual evidence in support of it. I've been watching for something more than anecdotal evidence for a couple months now with nothing. Like before we bring out the pitchforks let's get something concrete. Unless you're a fan of witch hunts, but I'm not.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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