Careful what you ask the government to regulate. Obsessive gaming is now a recognized disease. You want them regulating how much you can play?
Yeah absolutely. Lets let the nanny state regulate how long you are allowed to play your games. It's like being a child again except they can do it to you while you're an adult.
It's amazing and disheartening to me that 3/10 people who read that post would actually agree with it. Or that someone would even make it. Don't these people realize that everything the government touches turns to crap?
The government regulates gambling. Does the government tell you how much time and how much money you can spend in a Casino?
Because being told you can't do it at all is so much better than time limits.
That map doesn't accurately represent legalized gambling. We have casinos in Oregon (on reservations) and we have regulated non-gambling games of chance (e.g. pull-tabs in taverns) and full on video poker, scratch tickets, and some other types of legalized regulated gambling outside of the reservations. Legalized gambling has kept tavern/pub owners open. They don't make money on just selling beer, wine, and liquor anymore.
hmmm good point, Oklahoma as well
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1. NO! being late, being a fuck up, being not good at what you say you can do is NOT FRAUD! I know plenty of people (one in fact who ALWAYS does it, is just horrible at time management, its not fraud, they just arent good at it.
2. again I say this and it would help out greatly if you gave me a sign that you have read it and understand this critical part (in bold). 'maybe market forces should determine the question of disclouser and not make it a legal REQUIREMENT to do so.' The concerns of someone being dupped into loosing their entire life savings to that of a kickstarter campaign when kickstarter and Early Access has clearly been extreemly SUCCESSFUL seems to be trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist. please tell me that you at least understand my position, dont have to agree with it but understand it. I am not asking why is disclouser good..I am asking why should we make it a legal REQUIREMENT
If you lie, your committing a fraud
but its not a lie!!!!!!!!
being late is not a lie not being able to do what you say you can do is not a lie
its not a lie..
when my mother says she will be here at 2pm and I know she can not but she is not aware of that or doesnt believe it and she gets there at 3pm its not a lie, a disfunction yes, but not a lie
What is not a lie?
Being late is not a fraud. Lying about why your late is a fraud.
1. NO! being late, being a fuck up, being not good at what you say you can do is NOT FRAUD! I know plenty of people (one in fact who ALWAYS does it, is just horrible at time management, its not fraud, they just arent good at it.
2. again I say this and it would help out greatly if you gave me a sign that you have read it and understand this critical part (in bold). 'maybe market forces should determine the question of disclouser and not make it a legal REQUIREMENT to do so.' The concerns of someone being dupped into loosing their entire life savings to that of a kickstarter campaign when kickstarter and Early Access has clearly been extreemly SUCCESSFUL seems to be trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist. please tell me that you at least understand my position, dont have to agree with it but understand it. I am not asking why is disclouser good..I am asking why should we make it a legal REQUIREMENT
If you lie, your committing a fraud
but its not a lie!!!!!!!!
being late is not a lie not being able to do what you say you can do is not a lie
its not a lie..
when my mother says she will be here at 2pm and I know she can not but she is not aware of that or doesnt believe it and she gets there at 3pm its not a lie, a disfunction yes, but not a lie
What is not a lie?
Being late is not a fraud. Lying about why your late is a fraud.
and suggesting that you know for a fact that someone has lied about their reason for being late without actually knowing for sure is...a lie.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Careful what you ask the government to regulate. Obsessive gaming is now a recognized disease. You want them regulating how much you can play?
Yeah absolutely. Lets let the nanny state regulate how long you are allowed to play your games. It's like being a child again except they can do it to you while you're an adult.
It's amazing and disheartening to me that 3/10 people who read that post would actually agree with it. Or that someone would even make it. Don't these people realize that everything the government touches turns to crap?
The government regulates gambling. Does the government tell you how much time and how much money you can spend in a Casino?
That's not what is being regulated with monetary gambling though is it? Regulation is instituted in industry where harm could come to the consumer or worker. There are industries where time is regulated.
Since excessive gaming has been recognized as a disease then when heavy duty regulation hits the industry it will be in every area where there is a health or safety concern for workers or consumers. It would make sense that this issue will be addressed if and when governments start figuring out how to tax and regulate the industry more.
Regulation is also instituted to keep consumers from being defrauded.
1. NO! being late, being a fuck up, being not good at what you say you can do is NOT FRAUD! I know plenty of people (one in fact who ALWAYS does it, is just horrible at time management, its not fraud, they just arent good at it.
2. again I say this and it would help out greatly if you gave me a sign that you have read it and understand this critical part (in bold). 'maybe market forces should determine the question of disclouser and not make it a legal REQUIREMENT to do so.' The concerns of someone being dupped into loosing their entire life savings to that of a kickstarter campaign when kickstarter and Early Access has clearly been extreemly SUCCESSFUL seems to be trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist. please tell me that you at least understand my position, dont have to agree with it but understand it. I am not asking why is disclouser good..I am asking why should we make it a legal REQUIREMENT
If you lie, your committing a fraud
but its not a lie!!!!!!!!
being late is not a lie not being able to do what you say you can do is not a lie
its not a lie..
when my mother says she will be here at 2pm and I know she can not but she is not aware of that or doesnt believe it and she gets there at 3pm its not a lie, a disfunction yes, but not a lie
What is not a lie?
Being late is not a fraud. Lying about why your late is a fraud.
and suggesting that you know for a fact that someone has lied about their reason for being late without actually knowing for sure is...a lie.
Because being told you can't do it at all is so much better than time limits.
That map is horrible and does not portray the truth at all. It does contain the message in the bottom that it is missing or not showing Indian casinos, but it is missing states that have horse race tracks like Denver Downs in WA, etc...Also any state that has a lottery should be marked as commercial gambling, which is almost all of them at this point.
Careful what you ask the government to regulate. Obsessive gaming is now a recognized disease. You want them regulating how much you can play?
Yeah absolutely. Lets let the nanny state regulate how long you are allowed to play your games. It's like being a child again except they can do it to you while you're an adult.
It's amazing and disheartening to me that 3/10 people who read that post would actually agree with it. Or that someone would even make it. Don't these people realize that everything the government touches turns to crap?
The government regulates gambling. Does the government tell you how much time and how much money you can spend in a Casino?
That's not what is being regulated with monetary gambling though is it? Regulation is instituted in industry where harm could come to the consumer or worker. There are industries where time is regulated.
Since excessive gaming has been recognized as a disease then when heavy duty regulation hits the industry it will be in every area where there is a health or safety concern for workers or consumers. It would make sense that this issue will be addressed if and when governments start figuring out how to tax and regulate the industry more.
Regulation is also instituted to keep consumers from being defrauded.
I consider that covered under "consumer harm". If someone defrauds or screws another over I consider that harm to them. Not all harm has to be physical or health related. It doesn't change my point.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
yeah that dosent make a lot of sense and its not what I am saying.
people who say Babysiter is garbage are not saying it should be removed from being able to view, they just dont like it. Maybe that is a difference in how people see what should and should not be censored?
But I assure you, if we start being SJW about what a company spends on their project because we are looking out for the poor consumer I assure you many outside of this industry are going to be interested in censoring violence and game time use.
its a bit hard to take the moral high ground when the content in question is a murder simulator
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
Funny... shows like Shameless leave me with a different take. I have never seen so much sex on TV as there is now. Pretty crazy compared to what I grew up with in the 60's and 70's.
I think one of the reasons AAA developers tone things down a couple notches from games like GTAV is to keep the ERSB ratings down. Which tells me that kids are still very much the targeted audience for the majority of these games.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
yeah that dosent make a lot of sense and its not what I am saying.
people who say Babysiter is garbage are not saying it should be removed from being able to view, they just dont like it. Maybe that is a difference in how people see what should and should not be censored?
But I assure you, if we start being SJW about what a company spends on their project because we are looking out for the poor consumer I assure you many outside of this industry are going to be interested in censoring violence and game time use.
its a bit hard to take the moral high ground when the content in question is a murder simulator
The funny thing to me is that there is an outcry over things like showing women in a provocative way or showing what is considered the stereotypical way for people to act (which isn't really true it's just the stereotypical way for people to act in a certain time period). It is all done tongue and cheek too. On the flip side, there is very little outcry over things like selling virtual items in games or selling a chance to get a virtual item in a game by comparison. I guess it's because it doesn't disrupt the modern concept that everyone is completely equal in every way.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
yeah that dosent make a lot of sense and its not what I am saying.
people who say Babysiter is garbage are not saying it should be removed from being able to view, they just dont like it. Maybe that is a difference in how people see what should and should not be censored?
But I assure you, if we start being SJW about what a company spends on their project because we are looking out for the poor consumer I assure you many outside of this industry are going to be interested in censoring violence and game time use.
its a bit hard to take the moral high ground when the content in question is a murder simulator
The funny thing to me is that there is an outcry over things like showing women in a provocative way or showing what is considered the stereotypical way for people to act (which isn't really true it's just the stereotypical way for people to act in a certain time period). It is all done tongue and cheek too. On the flip side, there is very little outcry over things like selling virtual items in games or selling a chance to get a virtual item in a game by comparison. I guess it's because it doesn't disrupt the modern concept that everyone is completely equal in every way.
no I think there is a huge outcry for selling virtual items
putting my 'see it as others see it' hat on again I am going to say this again.
its hard to take the moral high ground on much of anything when the content in question is a murder simulator.
so if none of my other reasons for low regulation and advocating personal choice work then maybe that will stick some
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
yeah that dosent make a lot of sense and its not what I am saying.
people who say Babysiter is garbage are not saying it should be removed from being able to view, they just dont like it. Maybe that is a difference in how people see what should and should not be censored?
But I assure you, if we start being SJW about what a company spends on their project because we are looking out for the poor consumer I assure you many outside of this industry are going to be interested in censoring violence and game time use.
its a bit hard to take the moral high ground when the content in question is a murder simulator
The funny thing to me is that there is an outcry over things like showing women in a provocative way or showing what is considered the stereotypical way for people to act (which isn't really true it's just the stereotypical way for people to act in a certain time period). It is all done tongue and cheek too. On the flip side, there is very little outcry over things like selling virtual items in games or selling a chance to get a virtual item in a game by comparison. I guess it's because it doesn't disrupt the modern concept that everyone is completely equal in every way.
no I think there is a huge outcry for selling virtual items
putting my 'see it as others see it' hat on again I am going to say this again.
its hard to take the moral high ground on much of anything when the content in question is a murder simulator.
so if none of my other reasons for low regulation and advocating personal choice work then maybe that will stick some
A murder simulator is OK because it doesn't offend the concept of equality between sexes in modern times. Whether that is unrealistic or not or if it matters that is is another matter.
A murder simulator is OK because it doesn't offend the concept of equality between sexes in modern times. Whether that is unrealistic or not or if it matters that is is another matter.
that is all clever and funny but my position (among many) is that violence in video games is far to pervasive and when I put my personal morality hat on I do find it a bit like drinking bad milk to be talking about morality of how something is sold given the content of violence in question
to me its a bit like arguing over if the discount cupons in the mail where fair enough for that AK47 that went on sale
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
A murder simulator is OK because it doesn't offend the concept of equality between sexes in modern times. Whether that is unrealistic or not or if it matters that is is another matter.
that is all clever and funny but my position (among many) is that violence in video games is far to pervasive and when I put my personal morality hat on I do find it a bit like drinking bad milk to be talking about morality of how something is sold given the content of violence in question
to me its a bit like arguing over if the discount cupons in the mail where fair enough for that AK47 that went on sale
To be fair I think people have to learn to differentiate between reality and entertainment. IMO entertainment is for escapism. There is some instinctual craving in people and I think in particular men that may be a result of evolution and survival. I also believe sex is a similar thing. To me, entertainment should be a form of escapism to live out these fantasies. It shouldn't be something that teaches how to behave in real life. That is what parents and teachers are for. Kids should know it's wrong to kill or hurt people in real life and also know that what is going on in a movie or game is just a fantasy. The characters in it are not real so if they die or get hurt it doesn't matter. If someone is showing signs of not being able to discern between the two then someone should say something to the police.
@Seanmcad: I believe everyone understands your position that the government should not interfere in the gaming issue. What I read though is you failing to understand the view of why some think there is a need - that it does harm and (Kickstarter included) can be fraudulent.
If Star Citizen were to walk away at this point with their 200 million or whatever it is, publish only what they have now, and say they can't refund anything because it's all been spent, is that fraud?
I'm not sure, but it seems like it to me. Of course, it would be for the courts to decide. That's a large example, but it doesn't mean if smaller companies do it, it's not wrong. It just doesn't draw the attention that the large scale fraud does.
A murder simulator is OK because it doesn't offend the concept of equality between sexes in modern times. Whether that is unrealistic or not or if it matters that is is another matter.
that is all clever and funny but my position (among many) is that violence in video games is far to pervasive and when I put my personal morality hat on I do find it a bit like drinking bad milk to be talking about morality of how something is sold given the content of violence in question
to me its a bit like arguing over if the discount cupons in the mail where fair enough for that AK47 that went on sale
To be fair I think people have to learn to differentiate between reality and entertainment. IMO entertainment is for escapism. There is some instinctual craving in people and I think in particular men that may be a result of evolution and survival. I also believe sex is a similar thing. To me, entertainment should be a form of escapism to live out these fantasies. It shouldn't be something that teaches how to behave in real life. That is what parents and teachers are for. Kids should know it's wrong to kill or hurt people in real life and also know that what is going on in a movie or game is just a fantasy. The characters in it are not real so if they die or get hurt it doesn't matter. If someone is showing signs of not being able to discern between the two then someone should say something to the police.
I actually think that is a myth. I think its social programming. I also think if on the supply side of things if there was more non-violent creativity people would be shocked at the level of great game play. I know I have. So I dont think violence in games in of itself is bad, I just think there is far too much of it.
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A murder simulator is OK because it doesn't offend the concept of equality between sexes in modern times. Whether that is unrealistic or not or if it matters that is is another matter.
that is all clever and funny but my position (among many) is that violence in video games is far to pervasive and when I put my personal morality hat on I do find it a bit like drinking bad milk to be talking about morality of how something is sold given the content of violence in question
to me its a bit like arguing over if the discount cupons in the mail where fair enough for that AK47 that went on sale
To be fair I think people have to learn to differentiate between reality and entertainment. IMO entertainment is for escapism. There is some instinctual craving in people and I think in particular men that may be a result of evolution and survival. I also believe sex is a similar thing. To me, entertainment should be a form of escapism to live out these fantasies. It shouldn't be something that teaches how to behave in real life. That is what parents and teachers are for. Kids should know it's wrong to kill or hurt people in real life and also know that what is going on in a movie or game is just a fantasy. The characters in it are not real so if they die or get hurt it doesn't matter. If someone is showing signs of not being able to discern between the two then someone should say something to the police.
I actually think that is a myth. I think its social programming. I also think if on the supply side of things if there was more non-violent creativity people would be shocked at the level of great game play. I know I have. So I dont think violence in games in of itself is bad, I just think there is far too much of it.
I'm not saying people couldn't enjoy nonviolent games. I can say I do enjoy killing things in game. I don't really have that feeling in real life and even if I did I am too skinny and don't have any training in terms of fighting. None the less I don't think I would ever kill someone intentionally. I just know that it's a lot of fun in games. Perhaps because it's easy or it triggers someone kind of chemical reaction in the body similar to the way sex does. I know hunting is a natural thing for humans and other animals and perhaps our bodies reward us in a positive way for it.
A murder simulator is OK because it doesn't offend the concept of equality between sexes in modern times. Whether that is unrealistic or not or if it matters that is is another matter.
that is all clever and funny but my position (among many) is that violence in video games is far to pervasive and when I put my personal morality hat on I do find it a bit like drinking bad milk to be talking about morality of how something is sold given the content of violence in question
to me its a bit like arguing over if the discount cupons in the mail where fair enough for that AK47 that went on sale
To be fair I think people have to learn to differentiate between reality and entertainment. IMO entertainment is for escapism. There is some instinctual craving in people and I think in particular men that may be a result of evolution and survival. I also believe sex is a similar thing. To me, entertainment should be a form of escapism to live out these fantasies. It shouldn't be something that teaches how to behave in real life. That is what parents and teachers are for. Kids should know it's wrong to kill or hurt people in real life and also know that what is going on in a movie or game is just a fantasy. The characters in it are not real so if they die or get hurt it doesn't matter. If someone is showing signs of not being able to discern between the two then someone should say something to the police.
I actually think that is a myth. I think its social programming. I also think if on the supply side of things if there was more non-violent creativity people would be shocked at the level of great game play. I know I have. So I dont think violence in games in of itself is bad, I just think there is far too much of it.
I'm not saying people couldn't enjoy nonviolent games. I can say I do enjoy killing things in game. I don't really have that feeling in real life and even if I did I am too skinny and don't have any training in terms of fighting. None the less I don't think I would ever kill someone intentionally. I just know that it's a lot of fun in games. Perhaps because it's easy or it triggers someone kind of chemical reaction in the body similar to the way sex does. I know hunting is a natural thing for humans and other animals and perhaps our bodies reward us in a positive way for it.
yeah I get that part. I am not suggesting violence in games leads to violence in life. It might it might not but that is not really what I am getting at.
what I am getting at is basically you think you like it more than you actually do namely because the supply of games is all 90% violent so your point of reference to what is possible is not good. I know this becuase of my own experience, I was surprised and shocked frankly at how non-violent activities can actually be exciting and thrilling but most people have zero idea about that because they are not exposed to it. and example of this would be kerbal space program. getting that ship to land....holy mac!
I do, however, think violence leads to aggression, however it could be reasonably argued that any virtual 'tension' of any kind could do that as well which I suspect is true
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@Seanmcad: I believe everyone understands your position that the government should not interfere in the gaming issue. What I read though is you failing to understand the view of why some think there is a need - that it does harm and (Kickstarter included) can be fraudulent.
If Star Citizen were to walk away at this point with their 200 million or whatever it is, publish only what they have now, and say they can't refund anything because it's all been spent, is that fraud?
I'm not sure, but it seems like it to me. Of course, it would be for the courts to decide. That's a large example, but it doesn't mean if smaller companies do it, it's not wrong. It just doesn't draw the attention that the large scale fraud does.
I dont think people do actually.
let me ask you, WHY do I think government should not interfere with gaming issue? and specifically looking at ones books? because I dont believe in all cases they should stay out, its circumstantial to this specific idea
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Being late is not a fraud. Lying about why your late is a fraud.
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Some have issue drawing that parallel
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All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
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they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
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For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
people who say Babysiter is garbage are not saying it should be removed from being able to view, they just dont like it. Maybe that is a difference in how people see what should and should not be censored?
But I assure you, if we start being SJW about what a company spends on their project because we are looking out for the poor consumer I assure you many outside of this industry are going to be interested in censoring violence and game time use.
its a bit hard to take the moral high ground when the content in question is a murder simulator
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I think one of the reasons AAA developers tone things down a couple notches from games like GTAV is to keep the ERSB ratings down. Which tells me that kids are still very much the targeted audience for the majority of these games.
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putting my 'see it as others see it' hat on again I am going to say this again.
its hard to take the moral high ground on much of anything when the content in question is a murder simulator.
so if none of my other reasons for low regulation and advocating personal choice work then maybe that will stick some
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to me its a bit like arguing over if the discount cupons in the mail where fair enough for that AK47 that went on sale
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If Star Citizen were to walk away at this point with their 200 million or whatever it is, publish only what they have now, and say they can't refund anything because it's all been spent, is that fraud?
I'm not sure, but it seems like it to me. Of course, it would be for the courts to decide. That's a large example, but it doesn't mean if smaller companies do it, it's not wrong. It just doesn't draw the attention that the large scale fraud does.
I think its social programming. I also think if on the supply side of things if there was more non-violent creativity people would be shocked at the level of great game play. I know I have.
So I dont think violence in games in of itself is bad, I just think there is far too much of it.
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what I am getting at is basically you think you like it more than you actually do namely because the supply of games is all 90% violent so your point of reference to what is possible is not good.
I know this becuase of my own experience, I was surprised and shocked frankly at how non-violent activities can actually be exciting and thrilling but most people have zero idea about that because they are not exposed to it. and example of this would be kerbal space program. getting that ship to land....holy mac!
I do, however, think violence leads to aggression, however it could be reasonably argued that any virtual 'tension' of any kind could do that as well which I suspect is true
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let me ask you, WHY do I think government should not interfere with gaming issue? and specifically looking at ones books? because I dont believe in all cases they should stay out, its circumstantial to this specific idea
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