SuperData revenue report 2017

Mikeha

Guild Wars 2 makes SuperData’s top 10 list of ‘premium PC games by revenue for 2017  
http://massivelyop.com/2018/01/30/guild-wars-2-makes-superdatas-top-10-list-of-premium-pc-games-by-revenue-for-2017/


Guild Wars 2 generated the most revenue of all premium mmos in 2017?.

rojoArcueid

DMKano said:

That data is so off it's not even funny

it would be nice if you share some more accurate info.

AAAMEOW

What does it mean by "premium PC games"?

Not sure if it is worth asking.  SuperData like to make up definition anyway.

bcbully

AAAMEOW said:

What does it mean by "premium PC games"?

Not sure if it is worth asking.  SuperData like to make up definition anyway.

Looks like non-free to play.

drivec

DMKano said:

rojoArcueid said:

DMKano said:

That data is so off it's not even funny

it would be nice if you share some more accurate info.

If I wouldn't get into major legal trouble... I would.

why say anything then if dont have any proof or at least give us a reason as to why the numbers are off.

CrazKanuk

DMKano said:

rojoArcueid said:

DMKano said:

That data is so off it's not even funny

it would be nice if you share some more accurate info.

If I wouldn't get into major legal trouble... I would.

Well, the data is all-inclusive, right? It isn't just west, simply because DFO is on the list. So are you saying that even the Asian numbers are off? Are you privvy to that info? 

cameltosis

I'll jump in with my usual "SuperData sucks" post. 

Take everything they say with a massive pinch of salt. They only collect data on a tiny fraction of the games market (less than 1%, roughly 500 games across all platforms). Also, the data is volunteered so may not be accurate. 

Iselin

Nice to see DOS 2 up there with the big boys.

ohioastro

This list seems utterly arbitrary - for example, where are heavyweights like call of duty?   Here are the best selling PC games of 2017 from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/16/the-best-selling-video-games-of-2017-so-far/#3bc3fe3aab2b

1. Call of Duty: WWII
2. Destiny 2**
3. NBA 2K18
4. Madden NFL 18
5. Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. For Honor
9. Injustice 2
10. Horizon Zero Dawn

Yes, I know, "total revenue".  But it's really hard to believe that CoD didn't have more income than D:OS2, which doesn't have things like loot boxes..

Forgrimm

ohioastro said:

This list seems utterly arbitrary - for example, where are heavyweights like call of duty?   Here are the best selling PC games of 2017 from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/16/the-best-selling-video-games-of-2017-so-far/#3bc3fe3aab2b

1. Call of Duty: WWII
2. Destiny 2**
3. NBA 2K18
4. Madden NFL 18
5. Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. For Honor
9. Injustice 2
10. Horizon Zero Dawn

Yes, I know, "total revenue".  But it's really hard to believe that CoD didn't have more income than D:OS2, which doesn't have things like loot boxes..

NPD tracks US video game sales.

AAAMEOW

I don't think anyone really know an accurate data.  So the journalists make the most out of it.  I would be surprise if ESO don't break 67 million revenue.  

The good thing with these website is they do the research for you so you don't need to search google for it.  But obviously the accuracy of it is questionable since many companies don't release numbers.

Kabulozo

This data's flawed, i follow NCsoft revenues quarter by quarter and from the 1st to 3rd quarter this year Lineage 1 made more money than GW2. The 4th quarter revenue will come next week.

Kabulozo

From 1Q to 3Q:

Lineage 1* - 120,2 billion KRW
Guild Wars 2* - 47,9 billion KRW

*Royalties not included

CrazKanuk

Kabulozo said:

From 1Q to 3Q:

Lineage 1* - 120,2 billion KRW
Guild Wars 2* - 47,9 billion KRW

*Royalties not included

That would put GW2 at 48 million USD through 3 quarters. That's actually more than I would have thought to begin with. So they're looking at like 62-ish? 

Side quest: What's the North American population like? Might put my kids into this since it went F2P, right? 

Nilden

DMKano said:

That data is so off it's not even funny

A company that listed Hearthstone as a MMO has data that is off?

Shocking.

cheyane

Doesn't this company make money with their data releases and I guess some companies must be paying them or else how are they still afloat and continuing their data collection. They must also be catering to their clients so it's not  just their labelling of these games but perhaps even may be  the norm or trend. It's a losing battle to fight this.

Scot

Is this box plus MT's? If so it is skewed, GTA for example must just be on MT's only by now? Where as Destiny 2 is double dipping.

maskedweasel

Kabulozo said:

This data's flawed, i follow NCsoft revenues quarter by quarter and from the 1st to 3rd quarter this year Lineage 1 made more money than GW2. The 4th quarter revenue will come next week.

It's actually not "flawed" so to speak.  The list the was originally linked are considered "premium games" meaning an initial box cost.  If you look at the total report, the top earning games are all F2P games.  

Wizardry

Ask ANY of those developers if the numbers are accurate and will tell the stock holders and investors the numbers are accurate,no way in hell they'll do that.

I would not hold it past any of these developers for being in cahoots to legally hype their products without being held for illegally doing it.

Super data releases numbers that carry NO WEIGHT at all because no developer is going to release their books to any marketing firm.

I can speculate and be every bit as accurate as Super Data.
They said Twitch garners around 50-55% of the video gaming revenue,yeah i could have guessed that with my eyes closed,i would bet the number is even higher.

Anything they say can be figured out by anyone that pays any attention at all to the industry.

postlarval

drivec said:

DMKano said:

rojoArcueid said:

DMKano said:

That data is so off it's not even funny

it would be nice if you share some more accurate info.

If I wouldn't get into major legal trouble... I would.

why say anything then if dont have any proof or at least give us a reason as to why the numbers are off.

Because it's all an act. Just ignore it.

maskedweasel

Wizardry said:

Ask ANY of those developers if the numbers are accurate and will tell the stock holders and investors the numbers are accurate,no way in hell they'll do that.

I would not hold it past any of these developers for being in cahoots to legally hype their products without being held for illegally doing it.

Super data releases numbers that carry NO WEIGHT at all because no developer is going to release their books to any marketing firm.

I can speculate and be every bit as accurate as Super Data.
They said Twitch garners around 50-55% of the video gaming revenue,yeah i could have guessed that with my eyes closed,i would bet the number is even higher.

Anything they say can be figured out by anyone that pays any attention at all to the industry.

But... you said.. that the numbers are wrong.. and then you said.. that ..the numbers can be figured out if..    okay.  


Well.

I don't think we should be taking the report as gospel, but I don't think its hard to determine it's a solid trend. 

bcbully

So the tell you how they collect the data. The collect the data, they analyze the data. They present their findings. 

Sorry people you might not like what you see, you don’t have the right to call it fake though. Not without doing your own study to refute the data.

acidblood

Mikeha said:

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Guild Wars 2 generated the most revenue of all premium mmos in 2017?.

So I'm assuming that doesn't include subscription MMOs, because just taking FFXIV for example:

• From the un-official census data* we can guess there was an average of about 500,000 subscribers across 2017 (*based on average active characters)...
• Multiply that by $15 and you get about $7.5 million per month...
  
• Multiply that by 12 months and that's about $90 million from subscriptions alone...
  
• Add in expansion sales of at least 700,000 (660,000 pre-orders) at about $40 each, and that's another $28 million; sub-total of $118 million...
• Add in new game / extras sales of about 300,000 (difference in CEs owned from Jan-Dec) at about $30 each, and that's another $9 million; sub-total of $127 million...
• Add in cash-shop sales, account services, extra retainers, merchandise, etc. and I wouldn't be at all surprised if FFXIV made $150+ million in 2017.

And then there is WoW...

gervaise1

It's click bait.

Loke666

Well, that doesn't really seems like a complete list.  I ain't surprised that GW2 had a good year though, it released a really good expansion (unlike HoT) and that always bring in a nice income boost.

I think the reason for FF XIV not being on the list is that there only seems to be western games on the list. But why Wow isn't on it is stranger, it would just need 375 000 subscriptions last year to be R6:Siege and not even the most fanatic Wow hater would believe Wow have that few players.

Makes me wonder what they count? Box sales? That certainly would explain why a game that released a good expansion did better then games we know earn more on monthly subs.

That would of course mean GW2 sold 2,5M PoF & HoT boxes but that isn't impossible, a bit higher then I thought but not totally insane (like Wow having >350K subs). 

It is just a theory though but the only thing I can think to explain it.