ArcheAge - Legends Return in 4.5 with New Progression Servers & Dragons! - MMORPG.com

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ArcheAge - Legends Return in 4.5 with New Progression Servers & Dragons! - MMORPG.com

Long awaited news from Trion Worlds and XL Games is finally here and we caught up with Merv "Khrolan" Lee Kwai (Senior Producer) and Seraphina “Celestrata” Brennan (Associate Producer) to hear all about it!

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Nevereverland

And more Pay 2 Win options!

danwest58

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

pantaro

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

if there was ever a game ripe for sub only no cash shop this is the one!

zaberfangx

Someone help me here is this a free to play progression servers? I would avoid it go with Rift Prime much better model if people hated the cash shop. Just to show XLgame even Trion people hate cash shop tricks.

lucyluffy101

they change regrade gear system without breaking the gear but it go damage, but you can still sell it or use. If p2w player failed to regrade he can sell the gear very cheap and none p2w player buy it with similar gear score.

Aliantha_Angel

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

Blackboa

I am loving the Rift Prime server right now, wish they would go sub only, but I will probably still check this out because Archeage seems fun the first few months.

Alpius

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

Sovrath

Gisrie said:

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

how much would you be willing to pay?

Redemp

Sub only server or zero - interest, Trion and XL will milk these new fresh starts like they've done all the past once otherwise. 

Renoaku

Sub only no thanks, Not after I had like Several Accounts wtih so many Cash Shop farms not unless I can transfer that stuff with me, as it's not really pay 2 Win but will likely be added to Sub Only in the future.

Not willing to pay for this crap again for Trion Worlds to do the same exact stuff, I don't mind the Cash Shop so much as the Pay 2 Win Packs that cost $150, and costumes locked behind a pay wall, but a shop like Black Desert is fine.

danwest58

Sovrath said:

Gisrie said:

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

how much would you be willing to pay?

If they revamp the crafting system so regrading is not a thing, and remove labor points I would be willing to pay $20 or $25 a month for the game.  

danwest58

Renoaku said:

Sub only no thanks, Not after I had like Several Accounts wtih so many Cash Shop farms not unless I can transfer that stuff with me, as it's not really pay 2 Win but will likely be added to Sub Only in the future.

Not willing to pay for this crap again for Trion Worlds to do the same exact stuff, I don't mind the Cash Shop so much as the Pay 2 Win Packs that cost $150, and costumes locked behind a pay wall, but a shop like Black Desert is fine.

Again you cannot run a F2P game without a P2W cash shop.  So the ONLY way they can get the P2W out of the game is to have a Sub only server.   If this game went to the B2P model like ESO then yea you could have an optional sub.  The problem is this game only makes money from Whales.   The only way to counter that is a P2P only server.

Khegobier

Still never going back to a game/publisher which has absolutely no problems taking everything you spent months if not years working for away from you and telling you "But it'll be fun and fair to do it all over again!"

Sovrath

danwest58 said:

Sovrath said:

Gisrie said:

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

how much would you be willing to pay?

If they revamp the crafting system so regrading is not a thing, and remove labor points I would be willing to pay $20 or $25 a month for the game.  

Well, I think labor points are just part of the game design. So if they did not change their game too much but perhaps made it so that labor points could be regenerated by in game means then would you still pay that amount?

Because otherwise it just boils down to "well, if they re-tailor their game to my liking I'd pay x.

Of course, the the argument is whether or not labor points have any other value other than to drive cash shop sales.

alkarionlog

Sovrath said:

Gisrie said:

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

how much would you be willing to pay?

I think you are doing this wrong.

the right question is "what will trion do to bring more players?"

till now its hardly will keep teh ones playing ever less bring new people to it, and since the word of mouth is not great for then

zaberfangx

danwest58 said:

Renoaku said:

Sub only no thanks, Not after I had like Several Accounts wtih so many Cash Shop farms not unless I can transfer that stuff with me, as it's not really pay 2 Win but will likely be added to Sub Only in the future.

Not willing to pay for this crap again for Trion Worlds to do the same exact stuff, I don't mind the Cash Shop so much as the Pay 2 Win Packs that cost $150, and costumes locked behind a pay wall, but a shop like Black Desert is fine.

Again you cannot run a F2P game without a P2W cash shop.  So the ONLY way they can get the P2W out of the game is to have a Sub only server.   If this game went to the B2P model like ESO then yea you could have an optional sub.  The problem is this game only makes money from Whales.   The only way to counter that is a P2P only server.

Well you can run a game with out P2W. 2 things need to happen the Dev need to make the cash shop as for looks only, and the player base to buy it to support the game.

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danwest58

Sovrath said:

danwest58 said:

Sovrath said:

Gisrie said:

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

how much would you be willing to pay?

If they revamp the crafting system so regrading is not a thing, and remove labor points I would be willing to pay $20 or $25 a month for the game.  

Well, I think labor points are just part of the game design. So if they did not change their game too much but perhaps made it so that labor points could be regenerated by in game means then would you still pay that amount?

Because otherwise it just boils down to "well, if they re-tailor their game to my liking I'd pay x.

Of course, the the argument is whether or not labor points have any other value other than to drive cash shop sales.

The problem is the labor point system drives down how much crafting one can do in the game and makes it so that players have to spend extra money on the Labor Pot that you get 1 1K labor pot every day.   This needs to go away, its just a tactic to make more money via the cash shop.   Other MMORPGS that had deep crafting systems like SWG and EVE didnt try to reduce how much a person can craft.  

Sovrath

alkarionlog said:

Sovrath said:

Gisrie said:

Aliantha_Angel said:

danwest58 said:

Still no P2P only server with no cash shop and crafting overhaul. Nope still not interested.

Agreed.  I would play this one on a subscription server with no cash shop.  

At this point, I think nearly all of us can agree on this. Till then, staying away.

how much would you be willing to pay?

I think you are doing this wrong.

the right question is "what will trion do to bring more players?"

till now its hardly will keep teh ones playing ever less bring new people to it, and since the word of mouth is not great for then

So, the whole point of cash shops is to bring in more money than a sub would make. Yes, this is a shame but that's their point.

I don't disagree with you, game companies need to bring in new customers as after a while "most" players will just leave.

I suppose that's the crux of cash shops as they allow for a small amount of people to support the majority of the game. However, if those players leave then it's pretty much going to be a huge issue.

Players paying "just" a sub might not be enough if they are just paying what players have paid for years and years.

There is an assumption that some players have that paying a sub is still viable. I don't think it is unless the amount is much larger than before. Of course, the game company is going to have to "bring the content" because players are pretty tired of paying subs (I believe this to be true but would welcome debate) and just having a trickle of content.

Albatroes

Is it just me or does Trion feel more like the NA version of Gameforge? They know this "progression server" (aka fresh start, aka cash grab) will net them easy money before they server merge the existing servers in about 6 months to a year and add these to the pool again. If they really wanted to take this progression server serious, they would do what everyone else is suggesting and go sub only with minimal vanity cash shop at best (even though things like pets/mounts/gliders have special/varying bonuses on them so eh).

danwest58

zaberfangx said:

danwest58 said:

Renoaku said:

Sub only no thanks, Not after I had like Several Accounts wtih so many Cash Shop farms not unless I can transfer that stuff with me, as it's not really pay 2 Win but will likely be added to Sub Only in the future.

Not willing to pay for this crap again for Trion Worlds to do the same exact stuff, I don't mind the Cash Shop so much as the Pay 2 Win Packs that cost $150, and costumes locked behind a pay wall, but a shop like Black Desert is fine.

Again you cannot run a F2P game without a P2W cash shop.  So the ONLY way they can get the P2W out of the game is to have a Sub only server.   If this game went to the B2P model like ESO then yea you could have an optional sub.  The problem is this game only makes money from Whales.   The only way to counter that is a P2P only server.

Well you can run a game with out P2W. 2 things need to happen the Dev need to make the cash shop as for looks only, and the player base to buy it to support the game.

You cannot do that with a F2P game.   You think you can but you cannot.   This is why F2P games put Pay walls in their games and items that are P2W.  Because all the cosmetic stuff you put on the cash shop does not make money.   It works in a B2P game like ESO because you have to buy expansions, and you have to buy the game.  In a F2P game you can play for Free without an initial cost.   Look at Neverwinter nights for example, the way they make money is a convoluted system with the keys to open up chest.  Its a Pay Wall, Gamble Box, P2W system.   You cannot make a F2P game without these tactics as much as you want to.  

lucyluffy

here you people need to watch this to understand;

Mikeha

This is awesome.

I will be there on April 5. ArcheAge and Black Desert are the only mmos I can see my self actually putting a lot of time into.

danwest58

lucyluffy said:

here you people need to watch this to understand;

This is a very good video.   Honestly no the changes will not bring back players.   Even with changes to the trade pack system, there will not be enough of a change where returning players can make enough money without spending real money.   Trion and XLGames continue to focus too much on players spending real money on regrading.   This is their way of making money because its a F2P Game.   

Again.  The ONLY way to fix this game an get players like myself back who would love to come back is get rid of regrading all together, get rid of the labor point system, and implement more of a SWG, Eve, or UO crafting system and make a P2P only server.   The game revolves too much around who can pay real money for an advantage over other players.   Wallet War games do not work for the majority of MMORPG players.