Eh. You appear to be falling back now that you've been called out from my perspective.
That's what you guys have been doing since I called out your bluff. If you had read my full posts instead of ignoring the annoying (for you) parts, we would be here now. And you do it again in this post. I never suggested GW2 or ESO as ALTERNATIVES to FFA PVP games. I just suggested they were more like "real world" WARS than those anarchic FFA PvP games will ever be, and that's more a fact than a suggestion.
And don't get me even started about detailed worlds... maybe you'd want to list those amazing FFA PvP games with so awesome detailed worlds?
You guys really need to try games like Overwatch, Fortnite: Battle Royale or even Star Wars Battlefront... you will never want to PvP and be steamrolled for ages before being competitive in a MMORPG ever again.
Or way better designed MMORPGs, like ESO or GW2, where you can participate in PvP without a hard level and gear check.
What is world PvP in a MMORPG generally? Very simple... and that's true since UO 20 years ago:
- You're a level 30 (or skill level 30, same thing) entering an area. A level 40 (or skill level 40) attacks you. You die without a chance in hell to fight back. You just lost 10 to 15 minutes of your gaming time at least in modern games (in older games it could be hours) for no good reason, for no challenge, for just one bored immature kiddie who one hit you. And that's if you're lucky and the asshat doesn't camp your body.
You were saying?
EVE, LiF, Mortal and Wurm all stand out as games that add a lot of minor little details to make the world feel more immersive. Especially in terms of crafting systems for the later three but also in terms of the way the actual world is sculpted for LiF and Wurm. Like look at the foliage in the trailer I link. I grew up on 10 acres of forest surrounded by more forest. LiF is the only MMO or game in general I've played that captures the feel of a real forest in terms of the undergrowth etc. Or the mountain ranges actually presenting formidable barriers where searching for a pass is an actual challenge sometimes.
I know this is kind of a niche sub genre of MMORPG's, but I've had an itch to play a full loot PvP game. I just got my PC back after a year of no MMORPGs on PC and haven't really kept up with everything.
Basically I'm just wondering if there is any decently populated full loot MMORPG's that aren't EvE online (because eve is extremely hard for me to get into due to how slow it is).
Right now I'm playing Darkfall New Dawn, but not sure if there is something a little more populated, as this server doesn't seem to have all that many players (I ran across the world and encountered a total of 0 people while running to my clan hamlet). I have access to Albion Online, but I've heard that game died off a bit and I'm a little skeptical before dumping a bunch of time into it.
You guys really need to try games like Overwatch, Fortnite: Battle Royale or even Star Wars Battlefront... you will never want to PvP and be steamrolled for ages before being competitive in a MMORPG ever again.
Or way better designed MMORPGs, like ESO or GW2, where you can participate in PvP without a hard level and gear check.
You came into a game in which an OP expressed a clear desire to play a specific type of game. Told everyone they should play anything but. Attacked the preferences of anyone in the topic here to discuss it's original premise and demagogued any game that fit's the bill of what the OP is actually looking for. Then tried to say you didn't.
You're not making points, you're trolling people with different game preferences.
Eh. You appear to be falling back now that you've been called out from my perspective.
That's what you guys have been doing since I called out your bluff. If you had read my full posts instead of ignoring the annoying (for you) parts, we would be here now. And you do it again in this post. I never suggested GW2 or ESO as ALTERNATIVES to FFA PVP games. I just suggested they were more like "real world" WARS than those anarchic FFA PvP games will ever be, and that's more a fact than a suggestion.
And don't get me even started about detailed worlds... maybe you'd want to list those amazing FFA PvP games with so awesome detailed worlds?
You guys really need to try games like Overwatch, Fortnite: Battle Royale or even Star Wars Battlefront... you will never want to PvP and be steamrolled for ages before being competitive in a MMORPG ever again.
Or way better designed MMORPGs, like ESO or GW2, where you can participate in PvP without a hard level and gear check.
What is world PvP in a MMORPG generally? Very simple... and that's true since UO 20 years ago:
- You're a level 30 (or skill level 30, same thing) entering an area. A level 40 (or skill level 40) attacks you. You die without a chance in hell to fight back. You just lost 10 to 15 minutes of your gaming time at least in modern games (in older games it could be hours) for no good reason, for no challenge, for just one bored immature kiddie who one hit you. And that's if you're lucky and the asshat doesn't camp your body.
You were saying?
EVE, LiF, Mortal and Wurm all stand out as games that add a lot of minor little details to make the world feel more immersive. Especially in terms of crafting systems for the later three but also in terms of the way the actual world is sculpted for LiF and Wurm. Like look at the foliage in the trailer I link. I grew up on 10 acres of forest surrounded by more forest. LiF is the only MMO or game in general I've played that captures the feel of a real forest in terms of the undergrowth etc. Or the mountain ranges actually presenting formidable barriers where searching for a pass is an actual challenge sometimes.
Looks good, but he needs to do something about that chest hair, just saying.
Oops I forgot to mention Rust... think that game is active now too.. so what is that now?
Darkfall Rise of Agon, Darkfall New Dawn, Albion Online, Mortal Online, Conan Exiles, RUST, Vandetta Online, EVE.
That is actually quite a bit to choose from and from what I hear they are all good games, only have two yet to try on that list.
Screeps, Haven and Hearth, Worlds Adrift. All games that I've played, and enjoy/ed.
Then you could add Salem. Passed over because of the theme.
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We're talking about a gamer here who cares most about "One Thing". When that happens you can toss toss tonnes of other normal "requirements" out the window.
Kind of like if someone asks for "utterly complex" combat, and it's the most important feature. You can send them to an Iron Realm MUD, and not feel bad about.
Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.
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I just don't get the mindset in a full loot PVP game....I have no interest in killing someone and taking all their stuff....That borders on downright evil.
@Jean-Luc_Picard Is there anything at all a FFA PVP game could ever do to get you to play it? You always seem to have a lot more to say about them than people who have played them much more.
I've played them a lot and when they were way more "hardcore" than today. That's why I know what happens there, and I don't agree with the rose colored glasses wearers who pretend it's just all about guild politics and whatever other my little pony with rainbows does PvP stuff. Actually, I think I was playing competitive PvP video games when some here didn't even own a computer because they were broke kids/teenagers.
My stance is simple:
- I'm not saying killing everybody in sight is wrong if the game rules allow it. I'm just questioning of why someone would do that without valid reasons.
- I'm still wondering why so many people choose to roleplay a psychopathic serial killer when given the opportunity to do it in a virtual world (I don't mean a pure PvP game like Overwatch where the main purpose is to kill the enemy, of course, I mean a MMORPG).
- I'm wondering what drives the person behind a level 50 to camp a
level 10 area and kill all the players there repeatedly, stopping them from being able to play, but gaining
absolutely nothing in the process (no gold, no gear, no experience, no
fame, no honor, nothing). How can those people forget it's also a game? That's when I'm amused when someone questions my mental health...
- I'm saying that human beings easily change behavior and dismiss simple courtesy or compassion when anonymous in an online community. And that has been always true, since the early days of BBS and MUDs.
You could be a dreadlord in UO and not gank/camp newbies (for instance). There were some, and those were respected. Because beyond the game, those players kept in mind there were real persons behind the keyboard and they refused to play just to make their life miserable. They played for the challenge of a dreadlord life.
Doesn't seem that you have played them a lot or at least have a very outdated opinion. When was the last time that you have actively played any full-loot game for a couple months?
Killing everybody in sight is kind of a thing of the past... is there even a game where people do that anymore? Sure doesn't seem like it but I haven't played the new Albion one. Honestly I cannot think of anyone who roleplays a "psychopathic serial killer" well maybe just a handful of people... really not enough to run into these folks much if at all?!
Even in Conan Exiles half of the time I come across people in the wild it is a friendly encounter until a reason comes up where I make it on their KOS list. People do go raiding anywhere they can in that game and it is pretty harsh compared to the Darkfalls that are out but its still not enough to encounter PVP much.
I have been playing almost nothing but FFA PVP servers since I started playing MMORPGs besides maybe the original Guild Wars and a couple others but for the most part people do not expect to fight everyone that they come across but I guess it was like that for a bit for most people on Darkfall until they "fixed it" with alignment changes... for many years its been back to the regular "come across someone in the wild and cautiously find out if they are enemy" before engaging in combat.
Pretty sure there is no game where a "level 50 camps a level 10" anymore... your information is a bit out-dated by half a dozen years perhaps? Maybe more... although it may have happened on rare occasions in a couple places, more than 99% of the time nobody ever experiences that...
"That has always been true, since the early days of BBS and MUDS"
Sounds like you have never tried any full-loot game since the early days honestly... talking about UO still? Wow... alright man, I guess everyone should "take it from the pro" who had bad experiences on UO back in the day because he knows that every FFA PVP game is filled with level 50 people ready to camp you right when you log in... haha you seriously are out of date. I am not wearing rose-colored glasses as you put it either... I've been streaming almost every gaming session for a year in full-loot games and I haven't come across griefing once... only been stream sniped a couple times but it was evenly matched and a good fight or else I simply ran away or something....
Your info is so out-dated... I think you are stuck 8 years ago and further? Probably has been that long since you have actively played this sort of game if you ever even have?? (I kind of doubt you ever have... and just assumed that would be what that kind of game would be like). You have been posting against these games since I joined these forums almost ten years ago. Really doubt you have touched any of them since then.
What that person said about clan vs clan is absolutely right... there really isn't a game that is what you describe today.
Don't believe me? I log everything that I do on youtube the last year of gaming. 99% of the time playing full-loot games like Conan Exiles and Darkfall or others... have not experienced ANY griefing at all even though I am streaming and usually solo aka vulnerable... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUvqULn678VrF3OasgnbsyA/playlists?view_as=subscriber
I just don't get the mindset in a full loot PVP game....I have no interest in killing someone and taking all their stuff....That borders on downright evil.
Only a couple times during the last year has someone looted my stuff after killing me... a lot of the time I get a tell and they say "good fight! I left your stuff on your corpse"
Apparently people have "rose-colored glasses" of their own and do not even know what these kinds of games are like. Even in the original Darkfall right after it came out and was busy my girlfriend played it alone while I was at work and most people left her alone for the most part because they knew she was a girl who was not interested in PVP. She was killed only once a week but probably put in 40 hours a week when the game was at its peek. I think my new girlfriend was only killed twice? the 4-6 months we had played Darkfall Rise of Agon...
Think some of your paranoia makes some of you a bit delusional honestly. Its pretty easy to sniff out someone played this type of game for the PVE... typically its no fun giving them a hard time and people don't do it. Its been about 6 years since I have come across anyone targeting people for griefing purposes.
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I think people hardly get killed in Darkfall because there is a dismally low population.
UO had a much more active and populated game so I guess @Jean-Luc_Picard would have a better idea of what a real PvP game is like. Low populated games don't reflect what a populated game atmosphere could be like since it also increases the number of people who camp low level characters. In a low populated game such instances would also be very low since it is mostly a solo game as you yourself have attested to @Sid_Vicious
I think people hardly get killed in Darkfall because there is a dismally low population.
UO had a much more active and populated game so I guess @Jean-Luc_Picard would have a better idea of what a real PvP game is like. Low populated games don't reflect what a populated game atmosphere could be like since it also increases the number of people who camp low level characters. In a low populated game such instances would also be very low since it is mostly a solo game as you yourself have attested to @Sid_Vicious
Well yeah compared to the main MMORPGs games out there one could say that Darkfall's population has been dismally low since 2010-2011. It has never been like it did during the first few months that it originally launched but the game is much better since then as it was pretty much broken when it was full and seriously had lacked functional PVE. The relaunches that has happened 2017 and 2018 was nothing like the launches before... and although there are no instances, the world is so huge that its easy to safely PVE (especially because of "load lag" issues... indicating that someone is coming before they come into view.
There are new alignment rules and the community became much nicer when the population started to dwindle back in 2010-2011... it hasn't been a grief-fest since it launched for the most part and mostly because of the changes to the game, not the population.
Right now it is impossible to camp anybody, even if the game was full, because there are no more bindstones in the New Dawn version.
Darkfall is the only game like that..sorry but its true
Not New Dawn really... Rise of Agon had some reds but not many... New Dawn has very few and its only race vs race PVP for the most part. Both games currently do not have a healthy population.
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This thread brings back memories I came here years ago also looking for a full loot mmorpg game but unfortunately they just dont make them as much as they used to. The best one i have ever played is Legend of Mir 2 private servers as they are big into PVP but unfortunately there is less than 300 players still playing those.
I couldnt get into DF as it felt a little too outdated and Albion was just not my style.
I really hope we do get a full loot mmorpg in the future but im not holding my breath.
This thread brings back memories I came here years ago also looking for a full loot mmorpg game but unfortunately they just dont make them as much as they used to. The best one i have ever played is Legend of Mir 2 private servers as they are big into PVP but unfortunately there is less than 300 players still playing those.
I couldnt get into DF as it felt a little too outdated and Albion was just not my style.
I really hope we do get a full loot mmorpg in the future but im not holding my breath.
Yea I remember playing DF when it launched it was fun regardless of the issues because of the mass amount of players and PvP going on. I played a few month's with a clan and quit when the players left since they took so long to patch and fix anything at all. I took a break from MMO's the past few years and recently started up on the new WoW expansions BFA. It adds in a "warmode" and has brought OWPVP back which has been fun, but it's not full loot unfortunately obviously.
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EVE, LiF, Mortal and Wurm all stand out as games that add a lot of minor little details to make the world feel more immersive. Especially in terms of crafting systems for the later three but also in terms of the way the actual world is sculpted for LiF and Wurm. Like look at the foliage in the trailer I link. I grew up on 10 acres of forest surrounded by more forest. LiF is the only MMO or game in general I've played that captures the feel of a real forest in terms of the undergrowth etc. Or the mountain ranges actually presenting formidable barriers where searching for a pass is an actual challenge sometimes.
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You came into a game in which an OP expressed a clear desire to play a specific type of game. Told everyone they should play anything but. Attacked the preferences of anyone in the topic here to discuss it's original premise and demagogued any game that fit's the bill of what the OP is actually looking for. Then tried to say you didn't.
You're not making points, you're trolling people with different game preferences.
Looks good, but he needs to do something about that chest hair, just saying.
Then you could add Salem. Passed over because of the theme.
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We're talking about a gamer here who cares most about "One Thing". When that happens you can toss toss tonnes of other normal "requirements" out the window.
Kind of like if someone asks for "utterly complex" combat, and it's the most important feature. You can send them to an Iron Realm MUD, and not feel bad about.
Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.
"At one point technology meant making tech that could get to the moon, now it means making tech that could get you a taxi."
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Killing everybody in sight is kind of a thing of the past... is there even a game where people do that anymore? Sure doesn't seem like it but I haven't played the new Albion one. Honestly I cannot think of anyone who roleplays a "psychopathic serial killer" well maybe just a handful of people... really not enough to run into these folks much if at all?!
Even in Conan Exiles half of the time I come across people in the wild it is a friendly encounter until a reason comes up where I make it on their KOS list. People do go raiding anywhere they can in that game and it is pretty harsh compared to the Darkfalls that are out but its still not enough to encounter PVP much.
I have been playing almost nothing but FFA PVP servers since I started playing MMORPGs besides maybe the original Guild Wars and a couple others but for the most part people do not expect to fight everyone that they come across but I guess it was like that for a bit for most people on Darkfall until they "fixed it" with alignment changes... for many years its been back to the regular "come across someone in the wild and cautiously find out if they are enemy" before engaging in combat.
Pretty sure there is no game where a "level 50 camps a level 10" anymore... your information is a bit out-dated by half a dozen years perhaps? Maybe more... although it may have happened on rare occasions in a couple places, more than 99% of the time nobody ever experiences that...
"That has always been true, since the early days of BBS and MUDS"
Sounds like you have never tried any full-loot game since the early days honestly... talking about UO still? Wow... alright man, I guess everyone should "take it from the pro" who had bad experiences on UO back in the day because he knows that every FFA PVP game is filled with level 50 people ready to camp you right when you log in... haha you seriously are out of date. I am not wearing rose-colored glasses as you put it either... I've been streaming almost every gaming session for a year in full-loot games and I haven't come across griefing once... only been stream sniped a couple times but it was evenly matched and a good fight or else I simply ran away or something....
Your info is so out-dated... I think you are stuck 8 years ago and further? Probably has been that long since you have actively played this sort of game if you ever even have?? (I kind of doubt you ever have... and just assumed that would be what that kind of game would be like). You have been posting against these games since I joined these forums almost ten years ago. Really doubt you have touched any of them since then.
What that person said about clan vs clan is absolutely right... there really isn't a game that is what you describe today.
Don't believe me? I log everything that I do on youtube the last year of gaming. 99% of the time playing full-loot games like Conan Exiles and Darkfall or others... have not experienced ANY griefing at all even though I am streaming and usually solo aka vulnerable... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUvqULn678VrF3OasgnbsyA/playlists?view_as=subscriber
Only a couple times during the last year has someone looted my stuff after killing me... a lot of the time I get a tell and they say "good fight! I left your stuff on your corpse"
Apparently people have "rose-colored glasses" of their own and do not even know what these kinds of games are like. Even in the original Darkfall right after it came out and was busy my girlfriend played it alone while I was at work and most people left her alone for the most part because they knew she was a girl who was not interested in PVP. She was killed only once a week but probably put in 40 hours a week when the game was at its peek. I think my new girlfriend was only killed twice? the 4-6 months we had played Darkfall Rise of Agon...
Think some of your paranoia makes some of you a bit delusional honestly. Its pretty easy to sniff out someone played this type of game for the PVE... typically its no fun giving them a hard time and people don't do it. Its been about 6 years since I have come across anyone targeting people for griefing purposes.
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UO had a much more active and populated game so I guess @Jean-Luc_Picard would have a better idea of what a real PvP game is like. Low populated games don't reflect what a populated game atmosphere could be like since it also increases the number of people who camp low level characters. In a low populated game such instances would also be very low since it is mostly a solo game as you yourself have attested to @Sid_Vicious
There are new alignment rules and the community became much nicer when the population started to dwindle back in 2010-2011... it hasn't been a grief-fest since it launched for the most part and mostly because of the changes to the game, not the population.
Right now it is impossible to camp anybody, even if the game was full, because there are no more bindstones in the New Dawn version.
Not New Dawn really... Rise of Agon had some reds but not many... New Dawn has very few and its only race vs race PVP for the most part. Both games currently do not have a healthy population.
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I couldnt get into DF as it felt a little too outdated and Albion was just not my style.
I really hope we do get a full loot mmorpg in the future but im not holding my breath.
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