Need a new gaming desktop - how about this one?

MightyUnclean

Hey folks,

I need a new gaming desktop, quickly.  I'm really not in a position to build one myself.  I found this one available at the closest Best Buy.  What do you think?  I don't need a super computer, just something middle-of-the-road.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-desktop-intel-core-i7-7700-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-120gb-solid-state-drive-1tb-hard-drive-gray-black/6032004.p?skuId=6032004

Thanks!

MightyUnclean

I guess these are the components, as listed in a user review:

Here are the actual components that make this pre built PC up:

Motherboard - ASUS H110 Plus
RAM - ADATA XPG 288 Pin DDR4 2400
GPU - MSI GTX 1060 3GB
CPU - Intel i7-7700 3.6Ghz
CPU Cooler - AVC 80mm (GARBAGE)
Case Fans - AVC 120mm (BOTH GARBAGE)
Power Supply - Allied 500W Non Modular (GARBAGE)
SSD - ADATA SU600 120GB
HDD - Western Digital Blue 1TB 7200 RPM

Quizzical

Why the big rush?  Is it impractical to get one built to order and wait a week for it to show up?  You've even labeled a few components as "garbage", so you know that the components there aren't what you want.

MightyUnclean

I need it for online D&D gaming sessions this weekend and next week.  I didn't label those myself, that's what the reviewer called them.  I guess (and I need expert advice here) that since I won't be overclocking or adding any additional hardware, those fans and that power supply would probably be adequate.  I'm looking for advice.

MightyUnclean

Also, does the GPU support 4K resolution?  I'm so tech-ignorant.

AnOldFart

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-review/1100-6441925/#4K_Benchmarks

Apparently the 1060 will do 4k but not a great framerate.

***edit***
Your better finding someone that will build you a custom pc to your own specs tbh, since you can buy better parts for cheaper than what their selling that pc for.
Or find somewhere else to buy one.

****Another Edit ****
quick scan and I found this:
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Tax-Refund-Special-II

it would need a little research but you can swap the you to the same1060 if you want and knock $6 off the price

Copperfield

8700k I7 costs around 40 euro more.. and there is a big difference..

I went for 4k recent... but i dont recommend that to anyone. since most games dont have support for it still..

Vrika

MightyUnclean said:

Also, does the GPU support 4K resolution?  I'm so tech-ignorant.

It supports up to 8K resolution (equal to 4 times 4K resolution).

But the question you should be asking is not whether GPU supports that resolution, it's whether GPU is fast enough to run games on that resolution. A GTX 1060 is not fast enough to run modern games on 4K resolution. For that you should get at least GTX 1070 Ti, and preferably GTX 1080 Ti.

sumdumguy1

Copperfield said:

8700k I7 costs around 40 euro more.. and there is a big difference..

I went for 4k recent... but i dont recommend that to anyone. since most games dont have support for it still..

The 8700k I7 is indeed a big deal and completely worth it based upon what your looking at.  I would absolutely recommend you go thsi route.  While the 4k isn't a big deal now, as technology develops,  it will be utilized.  Even now current Nvidia GTX 10 series and AMD Radeon RX Vega Cards represent a two generation technological jump over prior options, making 4K gaming more viable than ever.  4K monitors are also much more affordable now and it may be worth the investment now if you want to get ahead.  

Vrika

skadad said:

no point whatsoever going with an i7 for middle range and to host d&d sessions. Not even for gaming is it needed unless you run multiple instances or multibox. People telling you otherwise just want to flaunt their e-peen

I7 8700K is still much better purchase than I7 7700, those extra cores are worth the price.

But for gaming PC on budget the best purchase would be I5-8400, currently 180$ at Newegg, and gives you about 80% of gaming performance of I7-8700K, currently $350 at Newegg.

Aethaeryn

If you need it now. . go into a store that can sell you the parts if you have one close.  I would never buy a "system" that is pre-built again.  They can seem cheaper  but then you have to swap a part or two out and you have already paid for the parts you don't want.  See if a local shop can help you out.. . or yea. . new egg.
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Edit:  Oh. . and I want to play

psychosiz1

skadad said:

no point whatsoever going with an i7 for middle range and to host d&d sessions. Not even for gaming is it needed unless you run multiple instances or multibox. People telling you otherwise just want to flaunt their e-peen

I thought like this once.  Then a few years later, I realized the mistake I made.  For just the small price then, I could have easily added more years to my system.  Instead, everything zipped right by me.  Now as a VAR, I can't  tell you how many times I hear people complain about making this mistake.  Its a little bit more now, or possible a lot more later, and yes the difference is more than a big enough one to justify it as a purchase now.  Go on any other computer forum and they'll tell you the same thing.

MightyUnclean

OK, thanks guys!

Ozmodan

Vrika said:

skadad said:

no point whatsoever going with an i7 for middle range and to host d&d sessions. Not even for gaming is it needed unless you run multiple instances or multibox. People telling you otherwise just want to flaunt their e-peen

I7 8700K is still much better purchase than I7 7700, those extra cores are worth the price.

But for gaming PC on budget the best purchase would be I5-8400, currently 180$ at Newegg, and gives you about 80% of gaming performance of I7-8700K, currently $350 at Newegg.

Get a Ryzen system much cheaper and works just as well for gaming.  Games are NOT cpu bound, they are GPU bound.

Cleffy

That GPU cannot in any way work at 4K resolution for games made in the last 4 years. Its a GTX 1060 3GB not the 6GB model. Aside from the calculations needed for 4 times more pixels, you also need 4 times more memory for the frame buffer or enough memory bandwidth.

That said, for $1000 that system is not good. At $1000 you are not gaming at 4k.

Avanah

Go to:
https://pcpartpicker.com/
and use:
https://www.newegg.com/  for parts.

Then build it yourself (I know you said you can't build it yourself but why not?). There are video tutorials that will guide you and you will save money and get what you want.

I built two PCs myself without any experience and they were flawless.
This current system I built in Oct 2015 and it's going strong.

I'll never buy "built" or "completed" systems thru 3rd parties again.

PS. Also, if all you do is gaming with the occasional Alt-Tabbing an i-5 is all you need.
Don't waste your money on an i-7 unless you do Live Streaming or Video Editing.
Even Live streaming is doable on an i-5.

Quizzical

DMKano said:

If you are going to go Intel cpu - wait for Ice Lake (9th gen) - it will have fixes for both Spectre and Meltdown

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-meltdown-spectre-silicon-fixes-ice-lake/


Should be available end of 18, early 19

IMO - it's worth waiting for - 10nm and overall better architecture than cannon lake

That's still two generations away, and if it's launching so soon, one should be skeptical of any claims of proper hardware fixes to meltdown and spectre unless Intel was aware of them long before the researchers found them.

To be available this year, it would have almost certainly had to tape out last year.  Going from being told of a security problem to having a major redesign of a core ready to tape out within a few months is not happening.  For that matter, that's too fast for even a base layer respin (as opposed to a metal respin) to be practical, much less a major redesign.

Of course, Cannon Lake was supposed to be out in 2016, and still isn't.  So one should be skeptical of the claimed timetables.

Vrika

Ozmodan said:

Vrika said:

skadad said:

no point whatsoever going with an i7 for middle range and to host d&d sessions. Not even for gaming is it needed unless you run multiple instances or multibox. People telling you otherwise just want to flaunt their e-peen

I7 8700K is still much better purchase than I7 7700, those extra cores are worth the price.

But for gaming PC on budget the best purchase would be I5-8400, currently 180$ at Newegg, and gives you about 80% of gaming performance of I7-8700K, currently $350 at Newegg.

Get a Ryzen system much cheaper and works just as well for gaming.  Games are NOT cpu bound, they are GPU bound.

To get any price difference you'd have to go with Ryzen 5 1500X or cheaper. Those are good if you're really on a budget, but for something as expensive as the OP was looking I don't think there's any need to save that much money.

MightyUnclean

Cleffy said:

That GPU cannot in any way work at 4K resolution for games made in the last 4 years. Its a GTX 1060 3GB not the 6GB model. Aside from the calculations needed for 4 times more pixels, you also need 4 times more memory for the frame buffer or enough memory bandwidth.

That said, for $1000 that system is not good. At $1000 you are not gaming at 4k.

Can I get a true 4K gaming system for $1,200?

Vrika

MightyUnclean said:

Cleffy said:

That GPU cannot in any way work at 4K resolution for games made in the last 4 years. Its a GTX 1060 3GB not the 6GB model. Aside from the calculations needed for 4 times more pixels, you also need 4 times more memory for the frame buffer or enough memory bandwidth.

That said, for $1000 that system is not good. At $1000 you are not gaming at 4k.

Can I get a true 4K gaming system for $1,200?

Yes and no. You won't be able to play all games with all settings maxed out, but you will be able to get something that runs them well enough.

I'd build something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rYJRkd
   I made this system build in less than 5 minutes and it may contain errors.

MightyUnclean

Vrika said:

MightyUnclean said:

Cleffy said:

That GPU cannot in any way work at 4K resolution for games made in the last 4 years. Its a GTX 1060 3GB not the 6GB model. Aside from the calculations needed for 4 times more pixels, you also need 4 times more memory for the frame buffer or enough memory bandwidth.

That said, for $1000 that system is not good. At $1000 you are not gaming at 4k.

Can I get a true 4K gaming system for $1,200?

Yes and no. You won't be able to play all games with all settings maxed out, but you will be able to get something that runs them well enough.

I'd build something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rYJRkd
   I made this system build in less than 5 minutes and it may contain errors.

Cool thank you.  I don't know about doing a build myself, but I found a local company that will source all the parts at New Egg prices and install them and the OS for a $100 fee.  And they have a nice warranty on their work.

Also, what is needed to run WoW at 4K?  I Googled it, but all the info is 3-4 years old.

Ridelynn

MightyUnclean said:

Also, what is needed to run WoW at 4K?  I Googled it, but all the info is 3-4 years old.

Depends on what settings you want. Could get away with running it decently (with reduced settings) with just about any modern discrete card. It's just a matter of how far down your willing to slide the sliders for graphics options.

To MAX MAX everthing out with playable framerates in a 25m raid, I don't know that anything quite gets you there at 4K today.

MightyUnclean

Ah, OK, thanks!  I mainly play solo and dungeons, haven't raided in years.  Just so I could play it on 7 out of the 10 slider settings or so, that would be great.

What will I be playing most game on, 1920x1080?

Cleffy

No company really optimized for 4k right now. You always will have to fiddle to get a playable framerate since what is good on one card is not on another. Right now I am running an R9 Fury X which I would consider the bare minimum to run at 4k and requires quite a bit of fiddling.

Making a system today is actually quite difficult since all the GPU prices are inflated. Out of the ones that will play games at 4k comfortably. You would want to be looking at a nVidia GTX 1080 or above because their prices were not affected much by the recent low supplies of GPUs. Still you would be spending over $600 on just the GPU. It's tough to recommend a system with a reasonable budget when half of it was consumed by the GPU. It's just not a good time to build right now.

Renoaku

Build your own don't buy a piece of junk like this...

DDR4-2400 is slow outdated...
16GB OF Memory are u kidding me this is slow.
HardDrive Brand isn't listed stay away from Seagate

The PC Looks modified u can't be sure there were no mistakes made during the build or damages done thus its better to build it yourself with your own case it looks cool, but looking good and doing great are two different things.

I saw someone with a HP Computer with a i7 similar to this one they bought spec wise and they tried to return it a week later the store refused to refund they got ripped off.

skeaser

MightyUnclean said:

Ah, OK, thanks!  I mainly play solo and dungeons, haven't raided in years.  Just so I could play it on 7 out of the 10 slider settings or so, that would be great.

What will I be playing most game on, 1920x1080?

2560 x 1440 works pretty good for me, especially for MMOs. Gives a little more space for UI elements without giving up much (if anything) on graphics settings.