Well even all that missing content could be made up with other gameplay, the problem is that as far as we know there is no other gameplay.
I think it's a strange notion that people are looking for other gameplay when the game is 3 days out? End game content is a problem already? most people aren't even mid 20s yet. I'm in my early 30s, and I've run back and forth completing content, so most of the areas I'm running around in are low to mid 20s for hunting quests, there's a lot less there than when I was in other areas. In the 30+ area, there were hardly any people last night.
Well the rushers apparently got to the end by forgoing sleep and peeing in cans, but you will likely find yourself in similar shoes very soon unless you divert to tame the 600 animals or something.
Haha Well I just rolled other characters. I wish I could tame to my hearts content but taming scrolls are a pain to craft.
Just gotta go do the mus...err i mean turban grind that all 33000 players are doing right now for mats.
Well even all that missing content could be made up with other gameplay, the problem is that as far as we know there is no other gameplay.
I think it's a strange notion that people are looking for other gameplay when the game is 3 days out? End game content is a problem already? most people aren't even mid 20s yet. I'm in my early 30s, and I've run back and forth completing content, so most of the areas I'm running around in are low to mid 20s for hunting quests, there's a lot less there than when I was in other areas. In the 30+ area, there were hardly any people last night.
Well the rushers apparently got to the end by forgoing sleep and peeing in cans, but you will likely find yourself in similar shoes very soon unless you divert to tame the 600 animals or something.
What we are seeing here is an exacerbated version of what you get in any MMO release, it is just coming sooner. But to a certain extent that is going to happen when both Bless and the players treat this as if it is the actual launch, not early access and a second rate EA at that.
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So, what part of Early Access people don't understand?.
The part where all the missing content is done but not in the game because regions.
Fixed it for you.
change of region = finished content is withheld makes total sense.
Asian games have almost always released versions in the west several behind their eastern counterparts.
Localisation is the usual excuse, but I'm not so sure.
How hard can it really be to hire folks to do Korean to other language translation, especially English?
There are often small changes also made to the game during localisation changes. Changes like this can make a lot of bugs that need to be worked through (and if you remember Trion made a massive deal about how much they had to change for translations alone).
However companies do like to drip feed content early on to try and entice customers to sign up for that second month, so perhaps a bit of both going on.
So, what part of Early Access people don't understand?.
The part where all the missing content is done but not in the game because regions.
Fixed it for you.
change of region = finished content is withheld makes total sense.
Asian games have almost always released versions in the west several behind their eastern counterparts.
Localisation is the usual excuse, but I'm not so sure.
How hard can it really be to hire folks to do Korean to other language translation, especially English?
There are often small changes also made to the game during localisation changes. Changes like this can make a lot of bugs that need to be worked through (and if you remember Trion made a massive deal about how much they had to change for translations alone).
However companies do like to drip feed content early on to try and entice customers to sign up for that second month, so perhaps a bit of both going on.
I can understand not having SLevels in the game currently and maybe even some of the true "end game" dungeons due to balancing purposes. However, as of their Steam page update for "official launch", these are advertised as part of the game (100v100 RvR battlegrounds, elite/hard mode dungeons, reputation, etc.) but are not included in the game at all. So, while I give Neowiz props for admitting the state of the game is a bit trash (and apologizing for it), I wish they weren't talking out both sides of their mouth to potential customers.
I think this update on Steam sort of closes the conversation and their offer of full, uncontested refunds is more than fair.
Summary, players made incorrect assumptions on what content to expect but the devs are willing to give anyone's money back.
Stay if you wish, go and come back later if not, no harm, no foul.
"Most importantly, we know that there is end-game content missing that many of you expected in this first Early Access build, given what’s available in the other versions of the game. Additions like the 15v15 PVP and new high-level dungeons will be added in 1-2 weeks’ time, with more to come soon after.
Bless Online’s Early Access was always intended to be a growing experience, with systems and content being added in the weeks and months ahead; this is why we chose the Steam Early Access program. We are sincerely sorry that our players were led to believe otherwise, and we are happy to allow refunds for those who feel they cannot wait for the new content to arrive."
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I think this update on Steam sort of closes the conversation and their offer of full, uncontested refunds is more than fair.
Summary, players made incorrect assumptions on what content to expect but the devs are willing to give anyone's money back.
Stay if you wish, go and come back later if not, no harm, no foul.
"Most importantly, we know that there is end-game content missing that many of you expected in this first Early Access build, given what’s available in the other versions of the game. Additions like the 15v15 PVP and new high-level dungeons will be added in 1-2 weeks’ time, with more to come soon after.
Bless Online’s Early Access was always intended to be a growing experience, with systems and content being added in the weeks and months ahead; this is why we chose the Steam Early Access program. We are sincerely sorry that our players were led to believe otherwise, and we are happy to allow refunds for those who feel they cannot wait for the new content to arrive."
I do think its entirely fair and honorable that they are offering refunds -- it gives them major points in my eyes. However, given they updated the Steam page to include things like hard mode/elite dungeons and 100v100 battles, I hardly think you can blame consumers for "assuming" they would be part of the game.
They literally apologized that those features are not part of the game, and in the same breath changed their advertising to say that they ARE in the game.
So, what part of Early Access people don't understand?.
The part where all the missing content is done but not in the game because regions.
Fixed it for you.
change of region = finished content is withheld makes total sense.
Asian games have almost always released versions in the west several behind their eastern counterparts.
Localisation is the usual excuse, but I'm not so sure.
How hard can it really be to hire folks to do Korean to other language translation, especially English?
They could find university students studying English who would do a better job as interns (getting paid very little) than whoever wrote "You became 15level."
A big reason why people buy into early access is to rush to endgame. They had no idea it wouldn't be in the game which is about as scammy as you can get.
After Archeage and BDO people are finally catching on the the Korean bait and switch scams and its good to see this game get destroyed on day 1.
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Early Access in MMORPG language means "get a head start on your peers so you can 2 shot them until they catch up".
So by those standards, NO I don't blame anybody.
Not exactly. If we want to get technical, MMOs never use Early Access, they do a headstart. What is confusing is Neowiz used both at the same time. Early Access in the gaming community means buying into a game that isn't finished but will be later on. MMOs, especially PvP focused MMOs can't really use this excuse and expect people to be okay with it. Unless of course you do a server wipe when the game is actually a finished product ready for release. I had this same argument about Crowfalls no wipe soft launch, which is basically the same thing. A PvP focused game starting the clock on an unfinished product with no wipe for the official launch which forces people to either suck at official launch or accept an unfinished product, not knowing if it will ever deliver what was promised. It's a bullshit business tactic to make money in my opinion, but ultimately, it's up to players to tell companies like this to !@#% with that nonsense.
The new reality is many MMORPGs these days are going the early access, no wipe route, even the PVP centric ones.
SotA, Life is Feudal, Worlds Adrift, Crowfall, come to mind.
Legends of Aria plan a wipe one week prior to their Steam Launch, but they may still be in EA at that point.
I recall Albion Online did a wipe before full launch, CU likely will, Star Citizen...well it may never actually reach a full launch state, its supporters don't seem to care too much if it ever does.
I agree it does suck, players are forced to either join in early when the game is not finished or risk being way behind in the PVP race when they finally do join.
Personally, I think any MMORPG that gives a huge advantage to early players that can never be overcome by those who join later are badly designed and not worth playing, but sadly that is the reality of most games.
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It actually kind of makes sense that they would have some content disabled until after the pre release. I still want the game, even with all this rampant negativity. I feel like this is one of those snowballs that happen in gaming occasionally where everything gets blown the hell out of proportion because of how many people are freaking out at one time.
I agree. I'm glad I waited and have no problem waiting for the game to get fixed up.
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Wife likes it. That's all that matters. She can log on easily enough and got the name she wanted. My quality of life has improved. The endless bleating has ceased. She played BDO after Zenimax butchered ESO and turned it into a console kiddie borefest where the online world just became PC wallpaper. Me, I shall wait for Pantheon.
blaming the console version of a game because she didn't enjoy the game anymore, then go and pay for a broken unfinished game and likes it.
Your post has zero value. But hey at least she enjoys the broken unfinished game.
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Localisation is the usual excuse, but I'm not so sure.
How hard can it really be to hire folks to do Korean to other language translation, especially English?
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
However companies do like to drip feed content early on to try and entice customers to sign up for that second month, so perhaps a bit of both going on.
Summary, players made incorrect assumptions on what content to expect but the devs are willing to give anyone's money back.
Stay if you wish, go and come back later if not, no harm, no foul.
"Most importantly, we know that there is end-game content missing that many of you expected in this first Early Access build, given what’s available in the other versions of the game. Additions like the 15v15 PVP and new high-level dungeons will be added in 1-2 weeks’ time, with more to come soon after.
Bless Online’s Early Access was always intended to be a growing experience, with systems and content being added in the weeks and months ahead; this is why we chose the Steam Early Access program. We are sincerely sorry that our players were led to believe otherwise, and we are happy to allow refunds for those who feel they cannot wait for the new content to arrive."
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So by those standards, NO I don't blame anybody.
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SotA, Life is Feudal, Worlds Adrift, Crowfall, come to mind.
Legends of Aria plan a wipe one week prior to their Steam Launch, but they may still be in EA at that point.
I recall Albion Online did a wipe before full launch, CU likely will, Star Citizen...well it may never actually reach a full launch state, its supporters don't seem to care too much if it ever does.
I agree it does suck, players are forced to either join in early when the game is not finished or risk being way behind in the PVP race when they finally do join.
Personally, I think any MMORPG that gives a huge advantage to early players that can never be overcome by those who join later are badly designed and not worth playing, but sadly that is the reality of most games.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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(sufficient reaction?)
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