You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You can be charged with neglect in many states even if the behavior wasn't intentionally malicious- like leaving a dog in your car on a hot day. You may think it would be okay due to just running in real quick, but you can be charged if an officer sees it or someone reports it when they find the animal in the car. Also, in many states, it's legal to break out the window to get said animal out if you can't find the owner and the car is locked.
If society has a need to kill a bunch of some particular type of animal, and there are some people within that society who are willing to pay for the privilege of killing the pests while scrupulously observing regulations preventing them from killing other animals, then that seems like a pretty efficient way to get the necessary animals killed.
I don't believe there is anything wrong with killing boars. I don't even mind that they are using a helicopter or fully automatic guns. Certainly I myself would pay for that right if the cost was right for the meat the boar would provide.
I just personally think there is something wrong with someone who would laugh after gunning down an animal. Butchering animals is kind of a gruesome and distasteful task, but one that is worthwhile if it helps feed your family. The pleasure part of hunting is supposed to be the fresh air and your surroundings. Giggling like a schoolgirl right after you kill something... seems sick tbh.
If society has a need to kill a bunch of some particular type of animal, and there are some people within that society who are willing to pay for the privilege of killing the pests while scrupulously observing regulations preventing them from killing other animals, then that seems like a pretty efficient way to get the necessary animals killed.
I don't believe there is anything wrong with killing boars. I don't even mind that they are using a helicopter or fully automatic guns. Certainly I myself would pay for that right if the cost was right for the meat the boar would provide.
I just personally think there is something wrong with someone who would laugh after gunning down an animal. Butchering animals is kind of a gruesome and distasteful task, but one that is worthwhile if it helps feed your family. The pleasure part of hunting is supposed to be the fresh air and your surroundings. Giggling like a schoolgirl right after you kill something... seems sick tbh.
I would add that the feeling of accomplishment of personally seeing the food from the wild to your table is something that's worthy of feeling good about. But merely enjoying the act itself for the power rush of controlling the demise of life isn't. Specifically when it's an animal and you're using a friggin' chopper to chase them down and a fully automatic rifle. Talk about a handicap.
You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You may get fined for killing the animal. Not for killing it for pleasure. The fine would be the same whether you killed it for pleasure or killed it for food or for whatever other reason.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
I don't see a problem killing things that are pixels...that don't exist...are imaginary pretty much and not actually real.
But then again, some people freak out over the killable Skyrim children mod. Same thing really as killing pixel animals on a screen...its just pixels lol
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
Makes me feel awesome. In BDO you can also kill baby animals and skin them hehe
The only thing that makes it better if I get to kill humans and other species too, what sucks is that I can't kill them into extinction - they just keep respawning.
Killing is my business and the business is good
Remember - it's pixels on your screen - you aren't really killing anything - that's the awesome thing about video games
That's always been my feeling as well. However over the past decade or so my opinion has started to shift. Not because I feel that violent video games in any way makes people violent. Its because over that time individuals who have instigated episodes of mass violence don't seem to regard the lives of their living breathing human victims as anything more important than the aforementioned pixels. There has seemed to be a frightening shift in our society to an overall lack of empathy for others. I'm not sure of the cause, but it is certainly there. So for me its a pleasure to see someone like the OP who can even feel empathy for the plight of video game animals, even if they are, as you say, just a bunch of pixels.
I would put it down to a number of factors, so I will talk about one not often discussed. The more you regard yourself as the most important person on the planet and the less regard you have for the society you live in, why would put great value in the others who live in your society? Self interest is gaining ascendancy over the common interest.
This is a contributing factor for a number of "rages" which appeared, such as road rage. Many say that road rage was always there, we just did not have a word for it. Yes, but the reason it got named is the rising number of incidents.
We are not getting angrier, it just is becoming more socially acceptable to display that anger. A driver would have felt some embarrassment at "causing a scene" previously, now that is largely lost.
You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You may get fined for killing the animal. Not for killing it for pleasure. The fine would be the same whether you killed it for pleasure or killed it for food or for whatever other reason.
Eh, you likely aren't going to get jailed/fined for, say, accidentally killing a dog. The owners may attempt to pursue civil suit, I guess that's technically possible. But people don't get fined or jailed for accidentally hitting a dog with their car, for instance.
Now, chasing the animal and running it down with your car intentionally would likely shake out very differently.
There are two types of kills that give me a rush in games.
1. Really good ones (Finally killing a super hard boss, or killing in a way that takes a lot of skill / is really cool) 2. Killing another player who really deserves it. (Someone who talks a lot of shit, griefers etc.)
I once tried to be a pirate who killed people for money. Felt sick when I went to kill my first person who declined. Ended up letting them go and never played that particular character again. Despite the fact I had been massacring NPCs for their cargo and felt nothing.
Killing wildlife never really affects me one way or the other. So I've really come to completely disassociate NPCs with being something I should have any emotional attachment toward for the most part but when I know what I'm killing has emotions it affects me. Even knowing I just minorly inconvenienced someone who I have nothing personal against is not an enjoyable feeling to me.
I have to admit I'm of two minds about this. Killing of pixels does nothing for me one way or the other but the pixels represent things and I admit I have a bit of a problem with that.
This is a similar argument to the fake child porn issue that went through the Supreme Court several years ago. 2002.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You may get fined for killing the animal. Not for killing it for pleasure. The fine would be the same whether you killed it for pleasure or killed it for food or for whatever other reason.
You're arguing semantics then. Is there a specific crime for Killing humans for pleasure? No, it's murder/manslaughter/etc. I don't argue semantics.
Semantics is about the meaning of words. Meaning of words are necessary for effective communication. Effective communication is probably the single most important skill you can learn in your life
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You may get fined for killing the animal. Not for killing it for pleasure. The fine would be the same whether you killed it for pleasure or killed it for food or for whatever other reason.
You're arguing semantics then. Is there a specific crime for Killing humans for pleasure? No, it's murder/manslaughter/etc. I don't argue semantics.
There is no specific law regarding killing humans for pleasure but there are a lot of exceptions that allow humans to kill each other.
Your argument stated that was it was patently false that you're not allowed to kill animals for pleasure. that statement is patently false, pleasure has nothing to do with it.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
There are two types of kills that give me a rush in games.
1. Really good ones (Finally killing a super hard boss, or killing in a way that takes a lot of skill / is really cool) 2. Killing another player who really deserves it. (Someone who talks a lot of shit, griefers etc.)
I once tried to be a pirate who killed people for money. Felt sick when I went to kill my first person who declined. Ended up letting them go and never played that particular character again. Despite the fact I had been massacring NPCs for their cargo and felt nothing.
Killing wildlife never really affects me one way or the other. So I've really come to completely disassociate NPCs with being something I should have any emotional attachment toward for the most part but when I know what I'm killing has emotions it affects me. Even knowing I just minorly inconvenienced someone who I have nothing personal against is not an enjoyable feeling to me.
I'd say this is a normal level of empathy for folks to have. It's why griefing/camping is so looked down upon. Wasting someone's free time by forcing them to repeatedly stare at a death screen they couldn't realistically avoid to get one's kicks is selfish AF.
This one of the sillier threads i can recall here , i wonder if the OP understands how many animals have to die for the resources for his home just to be built .. Maybe should move to a cave without a PC
You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You may get fined for killing the animal. Not for killing it for pleasure. The fine would be the same whether you killed it for pleasure or killed it for food or for whatever other reason.
You're arguing semantics then. Is there a specific crime for Killing humans for pleasure? No, it's murder/manslaughter/etc. I don't argue semantics.
There is no specific law regarding killing humans for pleasure but there are a lot of exceptions that allow humans to kill each other.
Your argument stated that was it was patently false that you're not allowed to kill animals for pleasure. that statement is patently false, pleasure has nothing to do with it.
The action of killing an animal for pleasure will get you fined or jailed. That's what my words were. I didn't say you'd go to jail specifically for the "for pleasure part" but if you killed an animal for pleasure, you will have consequences.
It's a game... GAME...I don't mind killing men, women, children, pets, monsters, orphans, plants of all varieties, baby seals, endangered species, harmless minding their own business animals/people, and of course, best is killing fellow gamers. It's a game. It doesn't mean that I secretly want to do it in real life, or that I will in the future. In real life, you kill an animal and I want blood... people... not so much.
You don't kill anything playing a game. And killing animals in real life is only wrong if you do it for pleasure, but there is nothing wrong in killing to eat or self defense. The human especies evolved by hunting, our ancestors discovered eating meat provides much more energy than picking vegetables and the meat allowed our brain to grow and evolve to what it is now, many of our ancestors were killed by stronger predators and we faced extinction on our early days. But we managed to acheived the top of the food chain. Wherever is on a higher level on the food chain can kill and eat whatever is on a lower level on the chain, there is nothing wrong with that.
While it might be wrong morally - there is no laws that state that killing animals for pleasure is wrong. I know many hunters that kill because they find it's a pleasure for them - it's fun.
Also when it comes to pest animals - like curbing wild boar populations where there is no limit on how many you can kill - again I know guys who find it very pleasurable to just mow them down with AR15s for fun.
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
This is patently false, about there being no laws that state killing animals for pleasure is wrong. You can and will get fined and possibly even jailtime if you're found killing dog for instance. And i'm not even talking about someone else's dog.
If you go to a shelter, and get a dog, and took it home and killed it purely for pleasure, you will shortly after(assuming someone reports you) be getting a visit from the police.
You may get fined for killing the animal. Not for killing it for pleasure. The fine would be the same whether you killed it for pleasure or killed it for food or for whatever other reason.
You're arguing semantics then. Is there a specific crime for Killing humans for pleasure? No, it's murder/manslaughter/etc. I don't argue semantics.
There is no specific law regarding killing humans for pleasure but there are a lot of exceptions that allow humans to kill each other.
Your argument stated that was it was patently false that you're not allowed to kill animals for pleasure. that statement is patently false, pleasure has nothing to do with it.
The action of killing an animal for pleasure will get you fined or jailed. That's what my words were. I didn't say you'd go to jail specifically for the "for pleasure part" but if you killed an animal for pleasure, you will have consequences.
My statement was not patently false, his was.
Your statement makes it sound like if you kill that same animal for reasons other than pleasure you may not get fined.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
How does it make you feel if you have to kill animal(s) while wandering in wilderness and/or questing?
I'm an animal lover in real life and I find it very unpleasant if I need to kill an animal in a MMORPG. I know I'm playing just a game but it's funny how it can almost make me sad I always kind of roleplay it out in my head like: "I kill only if absolutely necessary", "I have to survive and I will use every material needed, nothing will be wasted", "this animal is disturbed and it's better to just despatch it".
Killing humans/humanoids/monsters is a trivial thing of course it's just animals I'm having a hard time with
If you see an animal train following a running character in LotRO it's probably me
Why? Because you know it will make some real person sad?
Or just because you know posting this will engender negative reactions?
I have a simple philosophy " What is best in Life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women"
Yet you don't live in Conan's world, you aren't Conan, and those other PCs you kill are real players.
Now, in PvP, of course, you can kill them. But there's a clear difference between fighting those of your own level and skill and camping newbies. That's the part where I don't forget that a real human is behind the keyboard. That's empathy.
I'm not into griefing, nor killing at an unfair advantage. That would take the sport outta the kill.
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I just personally think there is something wrong with someone who would laugh after gunning down an animal. Butchering animals is kind of a gruesome and distasteful task, but one that is worthwhile if it helps feed your family. The pleasure part of hunting is supposed to be the fresh air and your surroundings. Giggling like a schoolgirl right after you kill something... seems sick tbh.
Just killed a fox in game for the hell of it.
But then again, some people freak out over the killable Skyrim children mod. Same thing really as killing pixel animals on a screen...its just pixels lol
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
This is a contributing factor for a number of "rages" which appeared, such as road rage. Many say that road rage was always there, we just did not have a word for it. Yes, but the reason it got named is the rising number of incidents.
We are not getting angrier, it just is becoming more socially acceptable to display that anger. A driver would have felt some embarrassment at "causing a scene" previously, now that is largely lost.
Now, chasing the animal and running it down with your car intentionally would likely shake out very differently.
1. Really good ones (Finally killing a super hard boss, or killing in a way that takes a lot of skill / is really cool)
2. Killing another player who really deserves it. (Someone who talks a lot of shit, griefers etc.)
I once tried to be a pirate who killed people for money. Felt sick when I went to kill my first person who declined. Ended up letting them go and never played that particular character again. Despite the fact I had been massacring NPCs for their cargo and felt nothing.
Killing wildlife never really affects me one way or the other. So I've really come to completely disassociate NPCs with being something I should have any emotional attachment toward for the most part but when I know what I'm killing has emotions it affects me. Even knowing I just minorly inconvenienced someone who I have nothing personal against is not an enjoyable feeling to me.
This is a similar argument to the fake child porn issue that went through the Supreme Court several years ago. 2002.
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Your argument stated that was it was patently false that you're not allowed to kill animals for pleasure. that statement is patently false, pleasure has nothing to do with it.
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