Steam is kind of hitting a down-ward spiral. The interface literally hasn't changed in many years, only RECENTLY the chat GUI has went into an over hull simply because it wants to dip into Discord's market.
On top of that, the store is cluttered with garbage. So much garbage. It's become nearly impossible for a small team to make it on the steam-front.
Down with steam, it's time a new DRM market rises. I'm not saying Origin but literally anything else. Or hell, why even use DRM? GOG is good too.
I guess I use Steam differently than others.
I LOVE Steam. Yup, totally do. I don't spend time perusing all the games that it offers. I do know the games I want and if they are available on Steam then I buy them quickly and have them all at my fingertips.
I don't require a UI change, not sure why I'd need it as I just buy and play. Don't care about DRM.
I just want to go to one place, buy a game I know I want and play it.
edit: and the two hour return policy is great.
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I've never understood steam. The only reason I use it at all is for the summer sales. Other than that all it does it cause comparability issues and other hurdles for the end-user.
If there's ever a standalone version of a game I ALWAYS get that version; steam is a pain in the ass.
Steam ends up being derpy enough to keep big publishers away; if they have more than enough capacity to widely market their products then people will buy them where they are.
Steam is kind of hitting a down-ward spiral. The interface literally hasn't changed in many years, only RECENTLY the chat GUI has went into an over hull simply because it wants to dip into Discord's market.
On top of that, the store is cluttered with garbage. So much garbage. It's become nearly impossible for a small team to make it on the steam-front.
Down with steam, it's time a new DRM market rises. I'm not saying Origin but literally anything else. Or hell, why even use DRM? GOG is good too.
lmfao yes yes .... and why Gabe Newell is one of the richest people in the world as 50% holder of Valve and only trending upward ..
They just updated the UI with chat and freind list workover , more is coming btw with exteneded search etc...
I find coutless great hidden gems of games on STeam and post them here frequently ..
Heres another for your gaming pleasure and ironically is a post-op game much like Fallout , but a Turn Based RPG .. in EA but well done and enjoyable missions , character development and pacing ..
For a huge well known and popular IP - like Fallout - they dont need Steam.
Also remember - Steam takes 30% off the top from all sales. Also if Fallout 76 is planning on having any kind of cash shop sales - steam would take 30% there too and this really adds up over time.
Steam can be really great for less known IPs and games that need exposure to a huge potential playerbase.
So IMO - they are making the right move - also they can always launch on Steam later when sales really slow down.
Bottom line - huge well known IP not launching on Steam initially - smart move.
Having a 2nd steam launch later - can boost sales once the game is in a slump - also smart
so .. everything that has already been said ?
I don't think anyone has pointed out that not going Steam shows their intentions to make considerably profits via cash shop - which is where 30% profit cuts really hurt overtime.
It's a statement saying, no valve you aren't getting our xx%. If you think valve would cut 30% for a well known publisher you don't know marketing it is far cheaper for big publishers. I'd be surprised if it was 20%, more like 15%, but 15% of millions is still hemorrhaging money to a big company.
We'll see it on steam at some point, after they sponge up everyone they can on their own dime first.
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I don't see an issue here, the games I play though steam still have a icon on my desktop so whats one more icon going to hurt. Be thankful we don't have to swap disk still
I don't see an issue here, the games I play though steam still have a icon on my desktop so whats one more icon going to hurt. Be thankful we don't have to swap disk still
Whats funny is i remember the first 4 or 5 years Steam was out i stubbornly refused to use it because i hated the idea of not having the psychical box with the game manual and disks. Now i couldn't even imagine having stacks of game boxes or the inconvenience of having to drive to a store for every new game release (That sounded horribly lazy lol).
What i really love about steam though is the fact iv over the years discovered so many games i would have never even looked twice at had it been in a store or on another platform for that matter. Games like Fishing Planet, War Thunder, American Truck simulator, all the tell tale story games and so many others. Not to mention all the great games i would never bought had it not been for summer and winter sales.
For a huge well known and popular IP - like Fallout - they dont need Steam.
Also remember - Steam takes 30% off the top from all sales. Also if Fallout 76 is planning on having any kind of cash shop sales - steam would take 30% there too and this really adds up over time.
Steam can be really great for less known IPs and games that need exposure to a huge potential playerbase.
So IMO - they are making the right move - also they can always launch on Steam later when sales really slow down.
Bottom line - huge well known IP not launching on Steam initially - smart move.
Having a 2nd steam launch later - can boost sales once the game is in a slump - also smart
so .. everything that has already been said ?
I don't think anyone has pointed out that not going Steam shows their intentions to make considerably profits via cash shop - which is where 30% profit cuts really hurt overtime.
Yes i did , .....................
Sorry I didn't read all of that -
Here's a gold star
woops that was bad
looking for another gold star sorry
TIL - it's hard to find a "clean" gold star lol
(also I don't see where you said anything about F76 cash shop.. sorry)
Well you know where you can put your star im certain , but this is a recurring thing ,... Read the thread first .. But the community has become accustomed to this problem ...
And yes the DLC is also mentioned .. if you had read the thread you would realize that ...
I remember the good old days when I would just install a game and then click the icon on my desktop to launch it.
Now we can even have arguments about Launchers...
Progress!
I miss those days too. I have steam,gog,arc and origin icons on my desktop because some of the games i own won't launch without them. I do have the games icons on my desktop but you still need the launchers to get them started.
Steam is kind of hitting a down-ward spiral. The interface literally hasn't changed in many years, only RECENTLY the chat GUI has went into an over hull simply because it wants to dip into Discord's market.
On top of that, the store is cluttered with garbage. So much garbage. It's become nearly impossible for a small team to make it on the steam-front.
Down with steam, it's time a new DRM market rises. I'm not saying Origin but literally anything else. Or hell, why even use DRM? GOG is good too.
I guess I use Steam differently than others.
I LOVE Steam. Yup, totally do. I don't spend time perusing all the games that it offers. I do know the games I want and if they are available on Steam then I buy them quickly and have them all at my fingertips.
I don't require a UI change, not sure why I'd need it as I just buy and play. Don't care about DRM.
I just want to go to one place, buy a game I know I want and play it.
edit: and the two hour return policy is great.
You can do that without steam. It's called a desktop.
Bethesda used to be a PC game company. But ever since Morrowind on xbox they became a console company that ports games to pc. Even eso was made for xbox then ported to pc.
It's a wise decision because the Steam community can be very toxic and entitled to have the perfect game at launch. One mistake will land the game with the dreaded "Mostly Negative" reviews which means less money from who don't take a single neg review with a grain of salt.
It's a wise decision because the Steam community can be very toxic and entitled to have the perfect game at launch. One mistake will land the game with the dreaded "Mostly Negative" reviews which means less money from who don't take a single neg review with a grain of salt.
Right Comrade!!! Its better to silence everyone than have a few who like to cause trouble
Compared to all the other mistakes they're making with this game, not using Steam is a pretty minor thing.
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Yet another game launcher? Thanks, but I have enough of those.
At least Steam, for all its evils, provides a single point of failure. Multiple launchers = multiple points of interaction, and that can mean security issues. With a single launcher, there's only one place to look when something does go wrong.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I think that Fortnite's / Epic's example of a hit game eschewing Steam is giving big house publishers something to think about. Honestly, I have a ton of games on Steam, but only because, for most of them, that is the only place to get them, not because I love the platform.
I'm OK with games not being on Steam 100%.
That said, I suspect FO76 will be on Steam later, just not at launch.
They are doing the right thing by not LAUNCHING on Steam. They can always add Steam after launch and get a new boost of users. They have stated from day 1 that they rolling out this game in pieces to provide a more stable launch, and will be building on it over time as they increase their confidence with the tech. Having an option to add Steam later and get a new influx is a great way to manage this.
My preference is stand alone launchers when available. From the issues I have seen reported by some, launching through Steam doesn't always provide as smooth an experience.
What's the downside of having multiple launchers? You'll have less icons compared to the old days. You'll have to visit less websites whenever you're going through a fresh Windows instalation. You can update multiple games with one client. In many cases you can use store credit for various games. Get cross games rewards and so on. Which non existed before these launcher clients.
I like it how every major publisher has one now.
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Steam is kind of hitting a down-ward spiral. The interface literally hasn't changed in many years, only RECENTLY the chat GUI has went into an over hull simply because it wants to dip into Discord's market.
On top of that, the store is cluttered with garbage. So much garbage. It's become nearly impossible for a small team to make it on the steam-front.
Down with steam, it's time a new DRM market rises. I'm not saying Origin but literally anything else. Or hell, why even use DRM? GOG is good too.
I guess I use Steam differently than others.
I LOVE Steam. Yup, totally do. I don't spend time perusing all the games that it offers. I do know the games I want and if they are available on Steam then I buy them quickly and have them all at my fingertips.
I don't require a UI change, not sure why I'd need it as I just buy and play. Don't care about DRM.
I just want to go to one place, buy a game I know I want and play it.
edit: and the two hour return policy is great.
You can do that without steam. It's called a desktop.
I don't really care.
Steam to me is a store front. I go to one place and buy a game and play it. If Steam would vanish I'd do something else. So much angst among some gamers. How DO you get through the day?
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Steam is becoming trashy, for one they decided to drop the ball with "let's just allow everything in the store as long it's not illegal", then the large publishers that have and are withdrawing from releasing their titles on Steam. Well gg.
For a huge well known and popular IP - like Fallout - they dont need Steam.
Also remember - Steam takes 30% off the top from all sales. Also if Fallout 76 is planning on having any kind of cash shop sales - steam would take 30% there too and this really adds up over time.
Steam can be really great for less known IPs and games that need exposure to a huge potential playerbase.
So IMO - they are making the right move - also they can always launch on Steam later when sales really slow down.
Bottom line - huge well known IP not launching on Steam initially - smart move.
Having a 2nd steam launch later - can boost sales once the game is in a slump - also smart
so .. everything that has already been said ?
I don't think anyone has pointed out that not going Steam shows their intentions to make considerably profits via cash shop - which is where 30% profit cuts really hurt overtime.
I'm actually surprised that it took so long for someone on the board to speak out about losing that 30% too.
For a huge well known and popular IP - like Fallout - they dont need Steam.
Also remember - Steam takes 30% off the top from all sales. Also if Fallout 76 is planning on having any kind of cash shop sales - steam would take 30% there too and this really adds up over time.
Steam can be really great for less known IPs and games that need exposure to a huge potential playerbase.
So IMO - they are making the right move - also they can always launch on Steam later when sales really slow down.
Bottom line - huge well known IP not launching on Steam initially - smart move.
Having a 2nd steam launch later - can boost sales once the game is in a slump - also smart
so .. everything that has already been said ?
I don't think anyone has pointed out that not going Steam shows their intentions to make considerably profits via cash shop - which is where 30% profit cuts really hurt overtime.
I'm actually surprised that it took so long for someone on the board to speak out about losing that 30% too.
Yeah, Amazon is doing a similar share with their own platform.
But Amazon has a strong marketing arm with the deep Twitch integration and shares revenue with the streamers each sale, Steam has competition.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
If there's ever a standalone version of a game I ALWAYS get that version; steam is a pain in the ass.
It's a statement saying, no valve you aren't getting our xx%. If you think valve would cut 30% for a well known publisher you don't know marketing it is far cheaper for big publishers. I'd be surprised if it was 20%, more like 15%, but 15% of millions is still hemorrhaging money to a big company.
We'll see it on steam at some point, after they sponge up everyone they can on their own dime first.
What i really love about steam though is the fact iv over the years discovered so many games i would have never even looked twice at had it been in a store or on another platform for that matter. Games like Fishing Planet, War Thunder, American Truck simulator, all the tell tale story games and so many others. Not to mention all the great games i would never bought had it not been for summer and winter sales.
Aloha Mr Hand !
Aloha Mr Hand !
You can do that without steam. It's called a desktop.
Aloha Mr Hand !
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We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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At least Steam, for all its evils, provides a single point of failure. Multiple launchers = multiple points of interaction, and that can mean security issues. With a single launcher, there's only one place to look when something does go wrong.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I like it how every major publisher has one now.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
But Amazon has a strong marketing arm with the deep Twitch integration and shares revenue with the streamers each sale, Steam has competition.