Ever since they started development the talk has always been about the game being 2-3 years away from a release and that has been going on for 3 years now. How much time will it take until we can talk about the game being less than a year away from release?
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
Ever since they started development the talk has always been about the game being 2-3 years away from a release and that has been going on for 3 years now. How much time will it take until we can talk about the game being less than a year away from release?
I would say 2-3 years for a laugh. You don't want to hear that, though. But, realistically, you might be able to start discuss things in that year-out time frame in 3QTR or 4QTR of 2019.
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I've seen 3 or 4 different gameplay vids with different dates, but they all seem to be the same location/fight. Wouldn't it be hilarious if that's all they had? My friend is all about this game, so I hope they knock it out of the park for his sake!
I think people are overestimating how many people have enough time to sink into a game like this. If you asked me and most of my old guild mates 10 or so years ago about a game like this we would all dive in. Now most of us just don t have the time.
I am convinced of the opposite. People are underestimating how many people have lots of time in their hands. Particularly on this forum where the age is 35+ (you are one, I guess), most don't know how the younger generations play games.
If you look at the biggest blockbusters, most of those games require huge grind or time investment. Young people have lots of time to play games. Do you really think that people spend only 1 hour a day playing Fortnite? Try 4-6 hours a day on average. Not everyone is a grandad...
Yeah, I'm sure sitting around for two hours shouting LFG because your class is on the bottom of the tier list will be TOTALLY fine with todays crowd.
Get real.
You have any data to support your claims? Or is just because you don't like it, hence everyone else doesn't? When you guys stop patronizing people without backing your claims up, you'll make everyone a favor. When I wait for a group, I shit talk, I craft, I help guild mates, I check sites for spoilers, I go to put pizza in the oven, prepare coffee...you get the point? Not everyone wants to jerk off the joystick 24/7, some like to sit back and relax. I think you guys really don't get the spirit and selling point of Old School games.
Last year I played ESO, GW2, and BDO....Am I part of that so called "today's crowd"? Don't you think there are other people in 'today's crowd' who crave playing this type of game?
Stop talking as if Pantheon is aiming to be a blockbuster. Pantheon is not going after the 'core players' of WoW or Overwatch, so who cares if it doesn't appeal to them?. But there is a crowd for this type of games, is just not as big as other crowds.
And as I mentioned so many times already, no one knows the actual size, because most of those players are scattered playing 'today's games', just like me. So you cannot quantify them, you can have a wild guess (which could turn out to be 'wildly' wrong).
It's just your opinion, which is as good as mine. The only thing we can agree is that Pantheon is a niche game, that's all. Everything else is speculation.
This game is the most interesting of all the ones coming down the road because of the forced grouping format. I really can't see it being much of a success with the 2018 gamer and imagine it only draws a small niche crowd.
But it doesnt have forced grouping format - the forced part was something fans made up.
Group oriented or group centric sure - but just like EQ1 it was soloable for some classes. Pantheon will be soloable for some classes as well, not all content but a lot of it will be for well geared players with the right class.
I think people are overestimating how many people have enough time to sink into a game like this. If you asked me and most of my old guild mates 10 or so years ago about a game like this we would all dive in. Now most of us just don t have the time.
I am convinced of the opposite. People are underestimating how many people have lots of time in their hands. Particularly on this forum where the age is 35+ (you are one, I guess), most don't know how the younger generations play games.
If you look at the biggest blockbusters, most of those games require huge grind or time investment. Young people have lots of time to play games. Do you really think that people spend only 1 hour a day playing Fortnite? Try 4-6 hours a day on average. Not everyone is a grandad...
Fair enough but those types of games are a lot less involved.
Also, 'grand dads' tend to have a whole lot more money to spend, probably because they aren't playing video games 4-6 hours a day.
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I think people are overestimating how many people have enough time to sink into a game like this. If you asked me and most of my old guild mates 10 or so years ago about a game like this we would all dive in. Now most of us just don t have the time.
I am convinced of the opposite. People are underestimating how many people have lots of time in their hands. Particularly on this forum where the age is 35+ (you are one, I guess), most don't know how the younger generations play games.
If you look at the biggest blockbusters, most of those games require huge grind or time investment. Young people have lots of time to play games. Do you really think that people spend only 1 hour a day playing Fortnite? Try 4-6 hours a day on average. Not everyone is a grandad...
Yeah, I'm sure sitting around for two hours shouting LFG because your class is on the bottom of the tier list will be TOTALLY fine with todays crowd.
Get real.
That has zero bearing on his point. A player choosing not to play a game because he doesn't find it fun has nothing to do with free time if someone just dislikes a game.
I have free time to play games 7 days a week. Doesn't mean you'll catch me playing LoL, because I don't like that game.
Well, us the old mmo gamers surely awaits this grand melancholy game-play mechanisms. We have been through all the major MMO's the new genres, tried it all, yet still we long for the old adventurous and original high fantasy mmo. Us who realize the gaming is not the end game, but the path you thread the hardship, the struggle, the fame and infamous.
Sometimes I feel like trying to create a spiritual successor to Everquest is like trying to remake The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I mean, there are only about a million things that are wrong with that film. So as you try to remake it, you are tempted to start fixing things. This should have never happened. That should have never happened. And pretty soon you have fixed enough things that it isn't a cult classic anymore. It's just another B movie.
Yes, standing around for hours trying to find a group is an inconvenience. But as you stood there you talked to other people, dabbled with crafting, broused the NPC dumpsters, checked to see what named mobs might be up, and so on, which is all part of the EQ experience. Fix that. Fix 50 other things, Before long the magic is gone.
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I think people are overestimating how many people have enough time to sink into a game like this. If you asked me and most of my old guild mates 10 or so years ago about a game like this we would all dive in. Now most of us just don t have the time.
I am convinced of the opposite. People are underestimating how many people have lots of time in their hands. Particularly on this forum where the age is 35+ (you are one, I guess), most don't know how the younger generations play games.
If you look at the biggest blockbusters, most of those games require huge grind or time investment. Young people have lots of time to play games. Do you really think that people spend only 1 hour a day playing Fortnite? Try 4-6 hours a day on average. Not everyone is a grandad...
Yeah, I'm sure sitting around for two hours shouting LFG because your class is on the bottom of the tier list will be TOTALLY fine with todays crowd.
Get real.
You have any data to support your claims? Or is just because you don't like it, hence everyone else doesn't? When you guys stop patronizing people without backing your claims up, you'll make everyone a favor. When I wait for a group, I shit talk, I craft, I help guild mates, I check sites for spoilers, I go to put pizza in the oven, prepare coffee...you get the point? Not everyone wants to jerk off the joystick 24/7, some like to sit back and relax. I think you guys really don't get the spirit and selling point of Old School games.
Last year I played ESO, GW2, and BDO....Am I part of that so called "today's crowd"? Don't you think there are other people in 'today's crowd' who crave playing this type of game?
Stop talking as if Pantheon is aiming to be a blockbuster. Pantheon is not going after the 'core players' of WoW or Overwatch, so who cares if it doesn't appeal to them?. But there is a crowd for this type of games, is just not as big as other crowds.
And as I mentioned so many times already, no one knows the actual size, because most of those players are scattered playing 'today's games', just like me. So you cannot quantify them, you can have a wild guess (which could turn out to be 'wildly' wrong).
It's just your opinion, which is as good as mine. The only thing we can agree is that Pantheon is a niche game, that's all. Everything else is speculation.
From 2014: "In its latest report, The NPD Group describes “core gamers” as any individuals who spend more than five hours a week playing games on a home console (such as the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One), a Windows PC or a Mac. By these standards, there are currently over 34 million core gamers in the United States, and they are playing video games for an average of 22 hours every week."
For those of you who failed math, that's over 3 hours a day average. 5 hours a week is less than an hour a day on average, so the label "core gamer" covers the vast majority of folks who do more than dabble (by that I mean, merely try without ever engaging with anything resembling regularity) with the hobby.
As for older people not having enough time to play anymore, it was harder to find data points, but from a 2008 article:
"Younger generations tend to dominate the gaming world; however, older respondents who do play games are more avid players. Older gamers, particularly seniors, tend to play games more frequently. Over one-third (36%) of gamers 65 and older say they play games everyday or almost everyday, compared with 19% of adults aged 50-64, 20% of adults aged 30-49, and 20% of adults aged 18-29. Senior gamers may play more frequently because they have more time to play than younger gamers, as 77% of senior gamers reported being retired."
That's right, contrary to popular opinion, the older generation reported they played more frequently than younger ones, and the number one reason appears to be more overall free time.
The idea that gamers "just don't have the time these days":
That has zero bearing on his point. A player choosing not to play a game because he doesn't find it fun has nothing to do with free time if someone just dislikes a game.
I have free time to play games 7 days a week. Doesn't mean you'll catch me playing LoL, because I don't like that game.
Spot on, that's the point. Pantheon has a lot of downtime. Not everyone like having so much downtime in a game, I am perfectly aware of that. But some others do, as I explained in my previous post. During downtime I find plenty of things to do, I don't have to actually actively play the game to have fun.
For some people is just too difficult to acknowledge that some people like things that they find boring, tedious or just a waste of time. For me it's not a waste of time, shit talking with guild mates or helping someone with a quest, while waiting for a group. But since most players nowadays don't care about the social aspect of a MMORPG, I get they don't get that (sadly). For me the content of a MMORPG are the players, call me crazy.
Yeah, I'm sure sitting around for two hours shouting LFG because your class is on the bottom of the tier list will be TOTALLY fine with todays crowd.
Get real.
That has zero bearing on his point. A player choosing not to play a game because he doesn't find it fun has nothing to do with free time if someone just dislikes a game.
I have free time to play games 7 days a week. Doesn't mean you'll catch me playing LoL, because I don't like that game.
I think it was more a point of antiquated game mechanics may not play well in todays market? ..Maybe that is not what he meant lol
I'm sure he did, which is why it has zero bearing on the point Tekken was making in the quoted post.
Tekken was merely responding to another poster who claimed gamers don't have the time (specifically, how they had the time years ago, but not anymore). Choosing to play other games because you dislike a game or don't find it fun enough to play any more in a given time period is not the same as simply not having the time to engage with a game. Per the report I cited in my previous post, the average "core" gamer potentially has 22 hours per week to engage with any single game should they so choose. That's plenty hardcore enough for any grind available.
Whether or not Pantheon will be fun enough to engage for that long per week is a different discussion, one that I'm still on the fence on, but am interested to find out. (EDIT- I highly doubt it will have a large swathe of gamers playing 22 hours per week, but it will be interesting to see how it fares in general)
The main reason why Old School MMOs are appealing to me is because you could sit back and relax, during the downtime. In today MMORPGs there is no downtime, every single second has to be filled with action. No time to chat or help others, it's just me, me, me, smash mobs, gimme reward, wash and repeat. Personally I don't think that's the way MMORPGs should be. After I play a MMORPG I want to have some memories of it, good or bad. You can't have that if your interaction with other player is minimal.
It's not nostalgia, Old School games have a totally different kind of approach and philosophy from modern MMOs, which some people prefer.
I will play this game and make time for it but that does mean people who have time will choose to spend it playing Pantheon in the numbers some people think they might get. That is probably what most are pointing out.
Big part of downtime is tedium it is not something very attractive to a lot of people and one should not under any circumstances think that what was popular in 1999 can be converted to large numbers now. Even the number of people playing P99 isn't that high.
Everquest drew what 500k at it height? Can that number be higher today for Pantheon... who knows I guess wait and see.
I will play this game and make time for it but that does mean people who have time will choose to spend it playing Pantheon in the numbers some people think they might get. That is probably what most are pointing out.
The big question is, why people care? And why so much? This is what I struggle to understand.
In an average Pantheon thread there are:
-5 posts on topic.
-1 post of people claiming that Pantheon will have 1 million subs and it's the bestest game evah. -10 post telling no one will play Pantheon, because no appeal to the cool dudes.
-10 of my own post trying to explain to those 10 posters that Pantheon will have more appeal then they think (not that it will have 1 million subs) -5 of my own posts trying to understand why they care so much (still no idea why)
Can we talk about how good or shit is the game instead of speculating how many people will play it? I can't even criticize the bloody game, because I have to spend all my time trying to stop people talking about numbers pulled out of their ass.
I will play this game and make time for it but that does mean people who have time will choose to spend it playing Pantheon in the numbers some people think they might get. That is probably what most are pointing out.
The big question is, why people care? And why so much? This is what I struggle to understand.
In an average Pantheon thread there are:
-5 posts on topic.
-1 post of people claiming that Pantheon will have 1 million subs and it's the bestest game evah. -10 post telling no one will play Pantheon, because no appeal to the cool dudes.
-10 of my own post trying to explain to those 10 posters that Pantheon will have more appeal then they think (not that it will have 1 million subs) -5 of my own posts trying to understand why they care so much (still no idea why)
Can we talk about how good or shit is the game instead of speculating how many people will play it? I can't even criticize the bloody game, because I have to spend all my time trying to stop people talking about numbers pulled out of their ass.
This happens in every thread for every game. Chill man it's what we do here You can tell you are new here =p
I will play this game and make time for it but that does mean people who have time will choose to spend it playing Pantheon in the numbers some people think they might get. That is probably what most are pointing out.
The big question is, why people care? And why so much? This is what I struggle to understand.
In an average Pantheon thread there are:
-5 posts on topic.
-1 post of people claiming that Pantheon will have 1 million subs and it's the bestest game evah. -10 post telling no one will play Pantheon, because no appeal to the cool dudes.
-10 of my own post trying to explain to those 10 posters that Pantheon will have more appeal then they think (not that it will have 1 million subs) -5 of my own posts trying to understand why they care so much (still no idea why)
Can we talk about how good or shit is the game instead of speculating how many people will play it? I can't even criticize the bloody game, because I have to spend all my time trying to stop people talking about numbers pulled out of their ass.
This happens in every thread for every game. Chill man it's what we do here You can tell you are new here =p
Pulling number out yer butt is basically trolling. You say everyone trolls? I dont think so.
I will play this game and make time for it but that does mean people who have time will choose to spend it playing Pantheon in the numbers some people think they might get. That is probably what most are pointing out.
The big question is, why people care? And why so much? This is what I struggle to understand.
In an average Pantheon thread there are:
-5 posts on topic.
-1 post of people claiming that Pantheon will have 1 million subs and it's the bestest game evah. -10 post telling no one will play Pantheon, because no appeal to the cool dudes.
-10 of my own post trying to explain to those 10 posters that Pantheon will have more appeal then they think (not that it will have 1 million subs) -5 of my own posts trying to understand why they care so much (still no idea why)
Can we talk about how good or shit is the game instead of speculating how many people will play it? I can't even criticize the bloody game, because I have to spend all my time trying to stop people talking about numbers pulled out of their ass.
This happens in every thread for every game. Chill man it's what we do here You can tell you are new here =p
Pulling number out yer butt is basically trolling. You say everyone trolls? I dont think so.
What numbers are you talking about
The post YOU responded to complained about numbers being pulled out of the ass, and you defended it saying "thats what we do here".
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What, me worry?
You have any data to support your claims? Or is just because you don't like it, hence everyone else doesn't?
When you guys stop patronizing people without backing your claims up, you'll make everyone a favor.
When I wait for a group, I shit talk, I craft, I help guild mates, I check sites for spoilers, I go to put pizza in the oven, prepare coffee...you get the point?
Not everyone wants to jerk off the joystick 24/7, some like to sit back and relax.
I think you guys really don't get the spirit and selling point of Old School games.
Last year I played ESO, GW2, and BDO....Am I part of that so called "today's crowd"?
Don't you think there are other people in 'today's crowd' who crave playing this type of game?
Stop talking as if Pantheon is aiming to be a blockbuster.
Pantheon is not going after the 'core players' of WoW or Overwatch, so who cares if it doesn't appeal to them?.
But there is a crowd for this type of games, is just not as big as other crowds.
And as I mentioned so many times already, no one knows the actual size, because most of those players are scattered playing 'today's games', just like me.
So you cannot quantify them, you can have a wild guess (which could turn out to be 'wildly' wrong).
It's just your opinion, which is as good as mine.
The only thing we can agree is that Pantheon is a niche game, that's all.
Everything else is speculation.
Without a lot of solid solo content, this game will already be niched and just have a slow death.
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I have free time to play games 7 days a week. Doesn't mean you'll catch me playing LoL, because I don't like that game.
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I mean, there are only about a million things that are wrong with that film. So as you try to remake it, you are tempted to start fixing things. This should have never happened. That should have never happened. And pretty soon you have fixed enough things that it isn't a cult classic anymore. It's just another B movie.
Yes, standing around for hours trying to find a group is an inconvenience. But as you stood there you talked to other people, dabbled with crafting, broused the NPC dumpsters, checked to see what named mobs might be up, and so on, which is all part of the EQ experience. Fix that. Fix 50 other things, Before long the magic is gone.
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https://bgr.com/2014/05/14/time-spent-playing-video-games/
From 2014: "In its latest report, The NPD Group describes “core gamers” as any individuals who spend more than five hours a week playing games on a home console (such as the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One), a Windows PC or a Mac. By these standards, there are currently over 34 million core gamers in the United States, and they are playing video games for an average of 22 hours every week."
For those of you who failed math, that's over 3 hours a day average. 5 hours a week is less than an hour a day on average, so the label "core gamer" covers the vast majority of folks who do more than dabble (by that I mean, merely try without ever engaging with anything resembling regularity) with the hobby.
As for older people not having enough time to play anymore, it was harder to find data points, but from a 2008 article:
http://www.pewinternet.org/2008/12/07/adults-and-video-games/
"Younger generations tend to dominate the gaming world; however, older respondents who do play games are more avid players. Older gamers, particularly seniors, tend to play games more frequently. Over one-third (36%) of gamers 65 and older say they play games everyday or almost everyday, compared with 19% of adults aged 50-64, 20% of adults aged 30-49, and 20% of adults aged 18-29. Senior gamers may play more frequently because they have more time to play than younger gamers, as 77% of senior gamers reported being retired."
That's right, contrary to popular opinion, the older generation reported they played more frequently than younger ones, and the number one reason appears to be more overall free time.
The idea that gamers "just don't have the time these days":
Pantheon has a lot of downtime.
Not everyone like having so much downtime in a game, I am perfectly aware of that.
But some others do, as I explained in my previous post.
During downtime I find plenty of things to do, I don't have to actually actively play the game to have fun.
For some people is just too difficult to acknowledge that some people like things that they find boring, tedious or just a waste of time.
For me it's not a waste of time, shit talking with guild mates or helping someone with a quest, while waiting for a group.
But since most players nowadays don't care about the social aspect of a MMORPG, I get they don't get that (sadly).
For me the content of a MMORPG are the players, call me crazy.
Tekken was merely responding to another poster who claimed gamers don't have the time (specifically, how they had the time years ago, but not anymore). Choosing to play other games because you dislike a game or don't find it fun enough to play any more in a given time period is not the same as simply not having the time to engage with a game. Per the report I cited in my previous post, the average "core" gamer potentially has 22 hours per week to engage with any single game should they so choose. That's plenty hardcore enough for any grind available.
Whether or not Pantheon will be fun enough to engage for that long per week is a different discussion, one that I'm still on the fence on, but am interested to find out. (EDIT- I highly doubt it will have a large swathe of gamers playing 22 hours per week, but it will be interesting to see how it fares in general)
The main reason why Old School MMOs are appealing to me is because you could sit back and relax, during the downtime.
In today MMORPGs there is no downtime, every single second has to be filled with action.
No time to chat or help others, it's just me, me, me, smash mobs, gimme reward, wash and repeat.
Personally I don't think that's the way MMORPGs should be.
After I play a MMORPG I want to have some memories of it, good or bad.
You can't have that if your interaction with other player is minimal.
It's not nostalgia, Old School games have a totally different kind of approach and philosophy from modern MMOs, which some people prefer.
Big part of downtime is tedium it is not something very attractive to a lot of people and one should not under any circumstances think that what was popular in 1999 can be converted to large numbers now. Even the number of people playing P99 isn't that high.
Everquest drew what 500k at it height? Can that number be higher today for Pantheon... who knows I guess wait and see.
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This is what I struggle to understand.
In an average Pantheon thread there are:
-10 post telling no one will play Pantheon, because no appeal to the cool dudes.
-5 of my own posts trying to understand why they care so much (still no idea why)
Can we talk about how good or shit is the game instead of speculating how many people will play it?
I can't even criticize the bloody game, because I have to spend all my time trying to stop people talking about numbers pulled out of their ass.
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