Guys, Path of Exile has the perfect monetization. It is all cosmetics and stash tabs which are QoL improvements which are not necessary. Yes, the stash tabs help, i'm not going to lie, as well as the premium stash tabs, but it is a free game, there is no P2W, just a slight push to get stash tabs. It is perfectly fine. GGG is an amazing company that gives out a free game, they need money to continue and stash tabs are perfectly fine.
There is a difference between P2W bullshit vs appropriate monetization and GGG hits it perfectly.
Neverwinter isn't even close to PoE. That game has huge P2W bullshit compared to PoE.
If I wasn't such a cheap fuck, i'd give them $1,000 for what the amazing game they've given me. I'd also ask to make a unique . . . Cryomatrix's Battle Hammer
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The hype is strong with this one, I feel it beckoning me.
But I'm waiting on word about payment model. Anyone know about that yet? Can't find anything on it.
I'm not touching this if it's anything like I've come to expect from PWE.
*insert picture of cow milked dry here*
Yeah PWE has me being very careful of how hyped i get for this. I can see them filling this game with lootboxes with text scrolls across the screen saying what someone got in a lootbox like they do with Star Trek Online.
The hype is strong with this one, I feel it beckoning me.
But I'm waiting on word about payment model. Anyone know about that yet? Can't find anything on it.
I'm not touching this if it's anything like I've come to expect from PWE.
*insert picture of cow milked dry here*
I am hoping it is a buy to play model. Not a subscription. Pay for Frontier Expansions. I think.
If the game has a cash shop at all I'm out. I'm so tired of getting milked. If it is truly B2P then I'll play it. I love hack-n-slash looters. I liked TL2 well enough modded. But no cosmetic cash shop, no paying for respecs with real money. No R.M.T.
If people want to play whale driven gaming, that's fine. PoE is popular and people love it, but I hate it. I have a few of those left that I'm winding down and I'm trying really hard not to pick any more up.
Yeah right there with ya. After years of being nickel and dimed it is getting harder and harder to keep supporting companies that continue to do it. (I helped contributed to this with Bless) It is getting worse too. ActivBlizz made $4 billion last year in microtransactions alone. $4 billion! Companies like PWE would never release this game as a B2P only game. Just no way. The cash shop will be front and center just like their other games. Shame too, they own a few quality IPs (Star Trek, D&D, Torchlight and their upcoming game Remnent) but their GaaS model ruins the experiences. Torchlight as was known is dead. Long live the cash shop.
Dang you 2 bringing me down a bit , but bear with me , im medded up pretty good , had a Full Left Knee Replacement Wednesday
Just remember that when life is bringing you down there's always beer.
Does that beer come with Bail money , i would need it ....:)
If PWE wasn't the publisher, I'd be all over this. I loved Torchlight ... just thinking about it makes me want to pickup Torchlight 2 again, which I never did finish.
PWE also published Torchlight 1 and 2 , and we had no trouble ..
This is true, but that was before I became jaded with them, lol.
You people need to stop saying this. PWE had nothing to do with T1 or T2. PWE bought Runic long after those games came out. You can buy T1 and T2 on steam and GOG too. Stop spreading wrong info please.
And please no constant trying to force your hands into my wallet, if I like your game, I will spend money on it do not worry!. You do not need to hound me every time I log in with your latest "offers" or "suggested purchases".
In other words, don't be like Neverwinter's cash shop.
Seems like most of us agree that the buy to play model is the least annoying model to impose on players if it's not gonna be subscription based (which it won't be) Keep in mind the other side will be screaming about it if it is, just look at Clicker Heroes 2.
This is going to be free to play with a cash shop, the real question is how good will the game be and what items will be sold? If it's just appearance items then whatever. If it's time gate reduction items, XP gain and buff items that make the game less annoying to play and almost set the progression to normal, then I'm out.
Seems like most of us agree that the buy to play model is the least annoying model to impose on players if it's not gonna be subscription based (which it won't be) Keep in mind the other side will be screaming about it if it is, just look at Clicker Heroes 2.
This is going to be free to play with a cash shop, the real question is how good will the game be and what items will be sold? If it's just appearance items then whatever. If it's time gate reduction items, XP gain and buff items that make the game less annoying to play and almost set the progression to normal, then I'm out.
I'm trying to stay positive because Torchlight was such a pleasant surprise when I was put on to it.
I'd rather pay these guys a monthly fee then have them piss on everybody and call it rain each time they update the cash shop. I have a feeling it's going to start as pets and skins but as their "metrics" start showing them nobody really cares enough about that, they're going to start f#$%ing the game off and create problems, to upsell a solution/cure.
Next thing you know they go full Thorin/Dragon Sickness mode talking about;
"I will not part with a single coin..."
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
If PWE wasn't the publisher, I'd be all over this. I loved Torchlight ... just thinking about it makes me want to pickup Torchlight 2 again, which I never did finish.
PWE also published Torchlight 1 and 2 , and we had no trouble ..
This is true, but that was before I became jaded with them, lol.
You people need to stop saying this. PWE had nothing to do with T1 or T2. PWE bought Runic long after those games came out. You can buy T1 and T2 on steam and GOG too. Stop spreading wrong info please.
This is objectively not true. TL1 was published by Perfect World and they fully bought Runic Games shortly after it released. TL2 was developed from scratch while Runic was owned by Perfect World. Please follow your own advice and stop spreading bad information.
If PWE wasn't the publisher, I'd be all over this. I loved Torchlight ... just thinking about it makes me want to pickup Torchlight 2 again, which I never did finish.
PWE also published Torchlight 1 and 2 , and we had no trouble ..
This is true, but that was before I became jaded with them, lol.
You people need to stop saying this. PWE had nothing to do with T1 or T2. PWE bought Runic long after those games came out. You can buy T1 and T2 on steam and GOG too. Stop spreading wrong info please.
This is objectively not true. TL1 was published by Perfect World and they fully bought Runic Games shortly after it released. TL2 was developed from scratch while Runic was owned by Perfect World. Please follow your own advice and stop spreading bad information.
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Wizardry: They are using Unreal Engine 4. Not many blame devs for using UE4. It's like you don't like the art style and therefor say the graphic quality is bad. Do you also think Fortnite and WoW have bad graphics?
I agree with the first half of what you're saying. However, yes, I would be among those that think that Fortnite and WoW have bad graphics.
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There is a difference between P2W bullshit vs appropriate monetization and GGG hits it perfectly.
Neverwinter isn't even close to PoE. That game has huge P2W bullshit compared to PoE.
If I wasn't such a cheap fuck, i'd give them $1,000 for what the amazing game they've given me. I'd also ask to make a unique . . . Cryomatrix's Battle Hammer
Cryomatrix
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Yeah PWE has me being very careful of how hyped i get for this. I can see them filling this game with lootboxes with text scrolls across the screen saying what someone got in a lootbox like they do with Star Trek Online.
I know choice is good. They should add both but if it's one or the other, it has to be click to move otherwise it's not Torchlight.
You people need to stop saying this. PWE had nothing to do with T1 or T2. PWE bought Runic long after those games came out. You can buy T1 and T2 on steam and GOG too. Stop spreading wrong info please.
And please no constant trying to force your hands into my wallet, if I like your game, I will spend money on it do not worry!. You do not need to hound me every time I log in with your latest "offers" or "suggested purchases".
In other words, don't be like Neverwinter's cash shop.
I'd rather pay these guys a monthly fee then have them piss on everybody and call it rain each time they update the cash shop. I have a feeling it's going to start as pets and skins but as their "metrics" start showing them nobody really cares enough about that, they're going to start f#$%ing the game off and create problems, to upsell a solution/cure.
Next thing you know they go full Thorin/Dragon Sickness mode talking about;
"I will not part with a single coin..."
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I agree with the first half of what you're saying. However, yes, I would be among those that think that Fortnite and WoW have bad graphics.