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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Kyleran said:
    Back 40 years ago when I was around 13 years old, I was obsessed with hunting so my father bought me a hunting rifle I wanted.  It was a Remington model 760 pump action 30-06. I loved that gun, if I could I would sleep with it.  Anyway since then they cheapened it in many ways and called it the Model 7600, few years later they cheapened it more and called it the Model 6. 

    So it often works in reverse, much like mmorpg's   
    Very true, sometimes more modern and cost saving manufacturing processes have led to lower quality, household appliances are rife with this.

    Few may remember, but we actually had car batteries 40 years ago with 5 year warranties which actually lasted more than 5 years. These days I rarely get much past three years regardless what I buy.

    Ten year incandescent light bulbs were a thing in 1990, but manufacturers quickly brought a halt to both.

    Planned obsalecense is a significant driver in many companies design decisions. 

    The business plan was that you would buy a new car before the battery died. Back in the late 80's early 90's Canadian Tire used to offer lifetime warranties on certain car batteries.
    Kyleran

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Kyleran said:
    Back 40 years ago when I was around 13 years old, I was obsessed with hunting so my father bought me a hunting rifle I wanted.  It was a Remington model 760 pump action 30-06. I loved that gun, if I could I would sleep with it.  Anyway since then they cheapened it in many ways and called it the Model 7600, few years later they cheapened it more and called it the Model 6. 

    So it often works in reverse, much like mmorpg's   
    Very true, sometimes more modern and cost saving manufacturing processes have led to lower quality, household appliances are rife with this.

    Few may remember, but we actually had car batteries 40 years ago with 5 year warranties which actually lasted more than 5 years. These days I rarely get much past three years regardless what I buy.

    Ten year incandescent light bulbs were a thing in 1990, but manufacturers quickly brought a halt to both.

    Planned obsalecense is a significant driver in many companies design decisions. 

    I had a Buick Century 76 Coupe. My mates called it the World Ender. In his stellar career it took down a brick wall, slingshot a tree, vanquished a BMW 2002, and rediscovered fire. I also remember my father obliterating some English car with his Corvette. 

    It was just the American made that rocked, the rest the of world's sucked much more than now. 

    Nowadays people pressure me to drive a hybrid to save the planet. The planet used to rock too back then! ;) 
    delete5230Tuor7
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    laserit said:
    Ungood said:
    laserit said:
    Ungood said:
    This only applies for business that do not plan to be around long term. Tech Industries are in fact like this, because they have a short life, IE: CD's may or may not have been replaced in a few years by something else, case in point, most people now use flash drives and almost no one uses CD's anymore.

    This is the reality of the Tech Industry, they need to make the money now, because they may not be able to tomorrow. What is big today is dead tomorrow.

    That is how they function.

    Now, on the flip side of that, Chainsaw makers are better served to invest in the long term, as  Chainsaws have remained largely unchanged for the last 80+ years, thus investing in quality the first time, and maintaining their production equipment, builds their cost effectiveness of production, as after a time, they recapped their original outlay on their equipment, and thus their profit margins go up naturally overtime.

    It's really the nature of the industry. 
    Chain saws are always evolving. If your not constantly researching and investing in your products and production methods your doomed to extinction. You have lots of Global competition.

    Exporting and losing all your production capability is so short term and foolish.

    Easy come, easy go.

       
    This is not Not true at all.

    Let me ask you a question, do you really think that a Honda is made any intrinsically Different then a Ford?

    Like the chainsaw, the process of making a Honda and a Ford has been and is still evolving. It will always evolve. Of coarse their manufacturing processes are very similar My own manufacturing and fabricating processes are always evolving. When I or one of competitors purchase new tech to improve on a process the other must follow suit. Ford didn't invent robotics on their assembly line, they and Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Porsche, etc. etc. purchased them from the companies that do. 

    I just ordered a fully automated forming machine with a price tag of just over a million dollars.

     

    A million dollars is a very significant investment for me, I'm a small fry. Two year ago I bought my sixth laser since 1992 at a cost of 1.2 million



     I invest between 1 to 1.5 million dollars every couple years on major piece of evolving technology to improve my processes. Do things cheaper and improve my delivery time. The competitors who don't eventually disappear. I've seen plenty over the years disappear. If I didn't I would of disappeared. The companies who make the technology I purchase are constantly evolving and improving their products and processes or they will end up disappearing as some have.

    I need to do that in order to survive and flourish. Stihl, Ford and Honda do the same on a much bigger scale.

    Stihl makes chainsaws faster and more efficiently than they ever have, their designs and processes certainly have changed and still are changing.
    You deserve a really great response to this, sadly I am sick and can't brain right now.. gimme a few days to get my head back on.. 
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Ungood
    Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix
    You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations. 
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    ConstantineMerusGdemamimmolou
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    There is a documentary named Who killed the electric car? I have it for years but have never watched it myself. I believe that will provide some answers. 
    Ungood
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    What happened to the advancement of electric?

    If you think advancement in electrics has stalled, (never mind stopped) your ill informed. 

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Kyleran said:
    Back 40 years ago when I was around 13 years old, I was obsessed with hunting so my father bought me a hunting rifle I wanted.  It was a Remington model 760 pump action 30-06. I loved that gun, if I could I would sleep with it.  Anyway since then they cheapened it in many ways and called it the Model 7600, few years later they cheapened it more and called it the Model 6. 

    So it often works in reverse, much like mmorpg's   
    Very true, sometimes more modern and cost saving manufacturing processes have led to lower quality, household appliances are rife with this.

    Few may remember, but we actually had car batteries 40 years ago with 5 year warranties which actually lasted more than 5 years. These days I rarely get much past three years regardless what I buy.

    Ten year incandescent light bulbs were a thing in 1990, but manufacturers quickly brought a halt to both.

    Planned obsalecense is a significant driver in many companies design decisions. 

    Sometimes steps backwards like that are caused by environmental regulations.  If the way to make a battery or light bulb last a long time is now illegal because it used some chemical that is now banned and there isn't a good substitute that is legal, the products get worse by whatever metric you're looking at.
    Tuor7
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    There is a documentary named Who killed the electric car? I have it for years but have never watched it myself. I believe that will provide some answers. 
    Electric cars were common more than a century ago in the early days of cars.  They died out because they were too expensive, couldn't go fast enough, and couldn't go far enough without a recharge.  Do those problems sound familiar?

    In the case of your electric golf cart, it's a lot easier to make a car "work" if it weighs very little, doesn't need to go very far without a recharge, and it is acceptable for it to top out at 30 miles per hour.  That's acceptable for golf carts, but not for cars.
    ConstantineMerusGdemamiTuor7
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Quizzical said:
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    There is a documentary named Who killed the electric car? I have it for years but have never watched it myself. I believe that will provide some answers. 
    Electric cars were common more than a century ago in the early days of cars.  They died out because they were too expensive, couldn't go fast enough, and couldn't go far enough without a recharge.  Do those problems sound familiar?

    In the case of your electric golf cart, it's a lot easier to make a car "work" if it weighs very little, doesn't need to go very far without a recharge, and it is acceptable for it to top out at 30 miles per hour.  That's acceptable for golf carts, but not for cars.
    Well that was what I thought. I haven't seen the documentary so I cannot add anything to this conversation. This actually has intrigued me to do so, I'll update you later. 
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Quizzical said:
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    There is a documentary named Who killed the electric car? I have it for years but have never watched it myself. I believe that will provide some answers. 
    Electric cars were common more than a century ago in the early days of cars.  They died out because they were too expensive, couldn't go fast enough, and couldn't go far enough without a recharge.  Do those problems sound familiar?

    In the case of your electric golf cart, it's a lot easier to make a car "work" if it weighs very little, doesn't need to go very far without a recharge, and it is acceptable for it to top out at 30 miles per hour.  That's acceptable for golf carts, but not for cars.
    Well that was what I thought. I haven't seen the documentary so I cannot add anything to this conversation. This actually has intrigued me to do so, I'll update you later. 
    I haven't seen the documentary you mentioned, but I've read about the issue elsewhere.  In the early days, electric cars were advertised as being cleaner that gas cars.  Of course, back then, they meant cleaner in the sense of not getting junk on your hands, not in the sense of saving the planet.
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    Batteries or power seem to be a big road block in innovation.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Batteries or power seem to be a big road block in innovation.
    I no longer have any corded power tools. My table saw, mitre saw, angle grinder etc. etc. etc. are all powered by batteries and they are impressive.

    Dyson is no longer developing corded vacuums.

    Batteries have come a long way and yes they still have a long way to go.

    Couple of the big stumbling blocks for electric cars is infrastructure and not being able to supply demand. 

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591


    This is a front battery box of for an electric Ford Explorer conversion, the end user was for U.S. military. I was involved with the prototyping of all the battery boxes.

    This project took place ten years ago, the vehicles had a 160km range and accelerated like a rocket. 

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    This is a very truthful and accurate thread.
    I have a very long history of gaming,so i have seen what has been going on in the industry for geesh a VERY long time.

    The problems are not just NOW either,that guy over their messing up millions of dollars,names Chris Robert's was a bumbling producer since day 1,he has never been able to make budget or timelines.
    So it is most likely a lot to do with the very top of the food chain,the management,producer,if they are bumbling idiots,well then the rest of the ship will be run like a sinking Poseidon.

    My long history o gaming has also allowed me to see how the better or at least WERE better developers did things and compare it to NOW.FFXI was a game designed by one of those BIG corporate developers,similar to the Bethesda's ands EA's and Blizzard/Activisions,you know the ones we expect to RUSH out unfinished games because they want profits to start quickly.

    Thing about FFXI "just using this example because i know it well"but there are others,was a game designed go in debt and expected to be in debt for at least 5 years before turning a profit.

    There is NOBODY doing that anymore,NOW everything is instant profit,so bad they want money up front and they want OUR money ,not investors or the banks...OUR's.They call this EA lmao oh is that what it is,no it is called exploiting dumbasses.You want to build a video game,get YOUR own damn money and EXPECT to be in debt for awhile until your game EARNS  the right to turn a profit.

    Once we get devs back to EARNING their profits,we will have a CHANCE at better released games.Still a problem since there is always THAT GUY,in management,feeling the stress and pressure,we NEED to start turning a profit,we NEED this game out yesterday,so the problems will persist for years to come.



    Tuor7

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    Gorwe said:
    Quizzical said:
    Quizzical said:
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    There is a documentary named Who killed the electric car? I have it for years but have never watched it myself. I believe that will provide some answers. 
    Electric cars were common more than a century ago in the early days of cars.  They died out because they were too expensive, couldn't go fast enough, and couldn't go far enough without a recharge.  Do those problems sound familiar?

    In the case of your electric golf cart, it's a lot easier to make a car "work" if it weighs very little, doesn't need to go very far without a recharge, and it is acceptable for it to top out at 30 miles per hour.  That's acceptable for golf carts, but not for cars.
    Well that was what I thought. I haven't seen the documentary so I cannot add anything to this conversation. This actually has intrigued me to do so, I'll update you later. 
    I haven't seen the documentary you mentioned, but I've read about the issue elsewhere.  In the early days, electric cars were advertised as being cleaner that gas cars.  Of course, back then, they meant cleaner in the sense of not getting junk on your hands, not in the sense of saving the planet.
    Don't electric cars actually pollute more than gas cars do? Just in an awfully indirect way(much more stress on power plants = more power plants = much more pollution).

    That's what I heard years ago. In the last few years I've heard that that is actually changed. That he cost of building and transporting all the materials and the car itself during the production and the lifetime of the car now results in less pollution. Although I could not tell you but how much.
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Two significant issues with regards to large scale conversion to electric cars....

    The countries electrical power generation and transmission grid has to be significantly beefed up to handle it (and powerplants are big polluters) which takes a long period of time and significant up front investment.

    Second, most federal, state and local governments rely on gasoline taxes to pay for roads and what not and they haven't come up with a good way to ensure electric car drivers pay their fair share.
    Gdemami

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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Quizzical said:
    Quizzical said:
    Speaking of cars, once you go fully electric, you never go back. My lease on my car ends in 4 weeks and im looking at an all electric chevy bolt if possible to lease or a plug in hybrid.

    I recently got rid of my Tesla because it was too expensive, so now im gonna lease something new and hopefully get something that is 1/3rd the payment.


    Back when I was 13 years old (a lot happened when I was 13), I had another obsession, I loved to golf.  I would make my father take me all the time. 

    We would rent an electric golf cart and drive it all day.  It seemed they could go around 25-30 miles an hour, never break down and never seemed to have a bad one out of the 20 or so fleet they had to choose from.... This was late 1970's !  


    What happened with advancement of electric ? 
    We can put a man on the moon but for some reason battery power technology stopped ?  
    Could it be the oil companies ?  
    Could it be "the man" will shut you down if you invented something ?
    There is a documentary named Who killed the electric car? I have it for years but have never watched it myself. I believe that will provide some answers. 
    Electric cars were common more than a century ago in the early days of cars.  They died out because they were too expensive, couldn't go fast enough, and couldn't go far enough without a recharge.  Do those problems sound familiar?

    In the case of your electric golf cart, it's a lot easier to make a car "work" if it weighs very little, doesn't need to go very far without a recharge, and it is acceptable for it to top out at 30 miles per hour.  That's acceptable for golf carts, but not for cars.
    Well that was what I thought. I haven't seen the documentary so I cannot add anything to this conversation. This actually has intrigued me to do so, I'll update you later. 
    I haven't seen the documentary you mentioned, but I've read about the issue elsewhere.  In the early days, electric cars were advertised as being cleaner that gas cars.  Of course, back then, they meant cleaner in the sense of not getting junk on your hands, not in the sense of saving the planet.
    A mate of mine kisses his wife rather passionately in front of his kids and they always yell out gross and stuff like that. One time he yelled back 'where do you think you come from?' that's the current situation with electric cars. Where do think the batteries come from?

    That ain't my expertise, so I can talk about sustainability when it comes to urbanism and architecture. All solutions so far have been local. Which means we've been just transferring the problem to someplace else - sort of an illusion of sustainability in our own little towns. In short; that's just two decades of bullshit scenarios to *wink*wink* improve sustainability. Cutting the Amazon's trees to build eco-friendly buildings and such. 

    Well it took a long time for us to realize that. So some of the professionals and academics have made a shift a couple of years ago towards what we call 'Planetary Urbanization' and that have helped us realize it is much more complicated than we thought and all the so-called improvements are silly jokes. 

    I think the automobile and the whole energy industries need to widen their perspectives just the same. I know there have been talks and studies, but I haven't seen anything serious yet. 
    Constantine, The Console Poster

    • "One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    edited December 2018
    Wizardry said:
    This is a very truthful and accurate thread.
    I have a very long history of gaming,so i have seen what has been going on in the industry for geesh a VERY long time.

    The problems are not just NOW either,that guy over their messing up millions of dollars,names Chris Robert's was a bumbling producer since day 1,he has never been able to make budget or timelines.
    So it is most likely a lot to do with the very top of the food chain,the management,producer,if they are bumbling idiots,well then the rest of the ship will be run like a sinking Poseidon.

    My long history o gaming has also allowed me to see how the better or at least WERE better developers did things and compare it to NOW.FFXI was a game designed by one of those BIG corporate developers,similar to the Bethesda's ands EA's and Blizzard/Activisions,you know the ones we expect to RUSH out unfinished games because they want profits to start quickly.

    Thing about FFXI "just using this example because i know it well"but there are others,was a game designed go in debt and expected to be in debt for at least 5 years before turning a profit.

    There is NOBODY doing that anymore,NOW everything is instant profit,so bad they want money up front and they want OUR money ,not investors or the banks...OUR's.They call this EA lmao oh is that what it is,no it is called exploiting dumbasses.You want to build a video game,get YOUR own damn money and EXPECT to be in debt for awhile until your game EARNS  the right to turn a profit.

    Once we get devs back to EARNING their profits,we will have a CHANCE at better released games.Still a problem since there is always THAT GUY,in management,feeling the stress and pressure,we NEED to start turning a profit,we NEED this game out yesterday,so the problems will persist for years to come.



    This is some powerful stuff here. 

    It's obvious that companies want upfront profit instantly and quickly. 

    They don't even want any production time AT ALL, unfortunately they have to make something that will fit the TV commercial they paid for.  

    Games like Black Desert Online and ArchAge are trying to be the new norm...Buy it from Asia and resell it, but I don't think this is working out for them.  But the point is, they are trying to pull this on us. 

    -AchAge= give us $200 before release scam 
    -BDO=pay us $10 for F2P scam



    But what I find powerful is how mmorpgs used to be made.... "Eventually turn a profit".  As simple as this is, I forgot.  

    This is exactly why mmoprg's suck, long production time and they refuse to comply to how it has to be.
    GdemamiTuor7Kyleran
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617



    But what I find powerful is how mmorpgs used to be made.... "Eventually turn a profit".  As simple as this is, I forgot.  

    This is exactly why mmoprg's suck, long production time and they refuse to comply to how it has to be.
    I heard old mmorpg developer talking about their game, many cost less than 5 million dollar to make.

    While now new mmorpg take 50 million or over.


    Kyleran
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    edited December 2018
    AAAMEOW said:



    But what I find powerful is how mmorpgs used to be made.... "Eventually turn a profit".  As simple as this is, I forgot.  

    This is exactly why mmoprg's suck, long production time and they refuse to comply to how it has to be.
    I heard old mmorpg developer talking about their game, many cost less than 5 million dollar to make.

    While now new mmorpg take 50 million or over.


    Would like to know why.  
    Did the mafia move into town and want their cut ? 

    The 7 year old's lemonade stand is cute and funny until the business man sees he's making good money :) 
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    I love electric cars, they drive so well and are so smooth. Ill be leasing one by the end of the month. Been driving a gas car for the past month and man it sucks to drive.

    Then again, i went from a tesla model S to a toyota camry. It is like going from path of exile to diablo 3 . . . Lol.
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    edited December 2018
    Gorwe said:
    Kyleran said:
    Two significant issues with regards to large scale conversion to electric cars....

    The countries electrical power generation and transmission grid has to be significantly beefed up to handle it (and powerplants are big polluters) which takes a long period of time and significant up front investment.

    Second, most federal, state and local governments rely on gasoline taxes to pay for roads and what not and they haven't come up with a good way to ensure electric car drivers pay their fair share.
    Haven't even thought about the infrastructure and other consequential stuff. If a region were to go Electric, how would it pay the taxes? Would the electricity bill go up for at least 25%? More power plants? I don't see this being cheaper or more eco friendly. Want cheap + eco friendly? -> bicycle.

    Regardless, anyone from Germany or such eco places can share their experiences with transition to Electric?
    Holdback on electric vehicles are not because protection of environment.  Big business would blow right through that if money were to be made.... Copy rights and trademarks are the problem.  You can have it but your gonna pay...Pay so much is it worth it, that's the question.
    Gdemami
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    AAAMEOW said:



    But what I find powerful is how mmorpgs used to be made.... "Eventually turn a profit".  As simple as this is, I forgot.  

    This is exactly why mmoprg's suck, long production time and they refuse to comply to how it has to be.
    I heard old mmorpg developer talking about their game, many cost less than 5 million dollar to make.

    While now new mmorpg take 50 million or over.



    If this is true why...… 

    On one hand you have aggressive companies that refuse to "eventually turn a profit". 
    On the other you have higher cost of production time.  

    Were doomed...Big Business stepped in and shut us down ! 

    And it did already happen, large business space for rent, contact this real-estate number for information.
    GdemamiKyleran
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    a few points.

    The first Electric cars was far superior to any of it's competitors, it was quiet, didn't need a crank to start up, easy to handle, didn't emit smoke or smog, as such when cars came into being in 1900's, it was the Electric car the boomed, not the Gas or the Steam.

    Not to mention Thomas Edison believed that the Electric car was the superior form of locomotion, and had already started a whole division to try and develop more advanced batteries for these cars, now keep in mind, at this time the electric car had a 200 mile range, and they were just starting to develop batteries for these cars. Can you imagine how advanced these cars would have been if they had not got shot down?

    So Why did it fail, two reasons, the first being that there is was more money to be made selling gasoline then the other two options, this is also why you currently pay more in taxes in several states if you register an alternate fuel / electric vehicle, to sublet the sales tax they do not get from the gasoline. and the second is because.. whatever anyone wants to theorize, to try and defect that it was not about the money.

    But anyway, The Electric Car was shot down, and all associated Battery Development along with it from the 1920 - 1970's, till a gas shortage happened. Then it boomed and died.. because.. again.. money.

    So yes, electric cars were shot down directly, it could argued that it was done because of the oil barons monetary and political influence, there could have been other reasons as well, but no matter what, this set back electrical development and battery develop decades.

    If not for that, we would have had The same level (if not better) of battery development we just starting to tap into today as far back as the 50's and 60's.. it was not until "cordless tools" hit the market in the 1980's that battery development started up again and then skyrocketed.

    So it more then just "Cost" as the Electric Car was at one time outselling it's competitors, and highly sought after as the ideal vehicle in major cities, urban environments, and suburban towns, were the pollution, sound, and other environmental impact of gas engines were a major concern. 

    Anyway.. today Batteries are on the rise, too bad we had to first kill our environment with fossil fuel pollution to get to the point to realize that was not our smartest move.

    Is what it is.

    Now. back to other points.

    Advancements are not always happening. Changes are not always good.

    I used a Chainsaw because the Bar on my Sthil from 20 years ago (gifted to me from a friend, with 4 extra bars, of various lengths), fits on the Sthil I bought 2 years ago and vise-versa.. and will most likely fit on the next Sthil I will buy in maybe 5 years time.

    They are all made the same way, same weld patterns, design, save everything, outside some wear, they look and feel identical, and that is because sometimes, things were just done right the first time, and the division between success and failure is simply a matter of materials and craftsmanship, not some evolution of the design.

    I give you another fine example.

    The Scissors. Sure there are a million varieties of scissors varying in quality from can't cut a wet noodle to being able to cut though steel.But overall their design and how they function remains the same among all of them. Their division is not an evolution of the design or how it works, but purely a matter of materials and craftsmanship.

    Which, when it comes to some companies like Fiskars which are known for their quality, and craftsmanship, they don't profit as much from trying to evolve the scissors (even if they do try anyway), but they never lose their focus on just making them right, maintaining a high quality precision product, is better then trying to change it. 

    So that system they have set up, and the machines they use to make their Original Orange Handled Scissors, don't need to change, because it was set up to focus on Quality and Craftsmanship on a Product that has stood the test of time.

    Sure, somethings need to evolve with what is evolving around them, since trees have not changed, neither do chainsaws. ;)
    laseritGdemami
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

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