Anthem performance issues caused by Denuvo !

Renoaku

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/al26b6/no_spoilers_it_looks_like_drm_denuvo_is_the_main/

Looks like I found the cause yet again to why Anthem did load instantly to the main menu, but took over 30-60 seconds to load into the actual game, Denuvo is the cause yet again !

Not buying the game I would suggest everyone else do the same until Denuvo is removed because the performance is really awful.

Phry

imagine my shock!

moosecatlol

My most recent experience with Denuvo is that pirated version of FFXV performed way better than the steam version.

Now I get the joy of cancer once again with DMC5. Kill me.

toddze

Well what’s going to piss gamers off more, botters/hackers, as Denuvo is also anti-cheat or a poorly optimized Denuvo, that slows load screens down a bit? Denuvo isn’t causing 30-60 second load screens. It’s the game. If it wasn’t there it would still be brutal load screens, guaranteed. 

Phry

toddze said:

Well what’s going to piss gamers off more, botters/hackers, as Denuvo is also anti-cheat or a poorly optimized Denuvo, that slows load screens down a bit? Denuvo isn’t causing 30-60 second load screens. It’s the game. If it wasn’t there it would still be brutal load screens, guaranteed. 

Its not a PVP game and you only ever play with a couple of other people at most, those kinds of things wouldn't cause enough of an issue. Besides as an anti-cheat program Denuvo is a fail.

Renoaku

toddze said:

Well what’s going to piss gamers off more, botters/hackers, as Denuvo is also anti-cheat or a poorly optimized Denuvo, that slows load screens down a bit? Denuvo isn’t causing 30-60 second load screens. It’s the game. If it wasn’t there it would still be brutal load screens, guaranteed. 

Yep I didn't buy the game because of Denuvo.

Also Skipped buying DMC 5 because of Denuvo.

But the Developers of Devil May Cry 5, accidently leaked the Denuvo DRM free version and FPS was around 20+ FPS performance when benched by another user compared to Denuvo so those saying it doesn't effect performance is false.

Also this was not accounting for users like myself who use their PC to run multiple games, or use it as a work station which often causes Denuvo games to get 1 second random freezes, and even lower performance across multiple apps, even on an i7/i9 or Ryzen system doesn't really matter what you are using the impact is there.

Also Denuvo Games do not remain protected past a week especially true for AAA games like Resident Evil, DMC, Dino Crisis, Far Cry usually c****** and leaked within a week of release a full working copy which leaves the only people hurt by the DRM the paying consumer it's why I stopped buying games all together using Denuvo as a DRM.

Scot

Renoaku can you tell us what DRM programmes you are happy with and support?

Rhygarth

Phry said:

toddze said:

Well what’s going to piss gamers off more, botters/hackers, as Denuvo is also anti-cheat or a poorly optimized Denuvo, that slows load screens down a bit? Denuvo isn’t causing 30-60 second load screens. It’s the game. If it wasn’t there it would still be brutal load screens, guaranteed. 

Its not a PVP game and you only ever play with a couple of other people at most, those kinds of things wouldn't cause enough of an issue. Besides as an anti-cheat program Denuvo is a fail.

They are adding leaderboards to Anthem so what you are saying is its ok to let cheaters get the top place ?

Shaigh

Scot said:

Renoaku can you tell us what DRM programmes you are happy with and support?

My guess would be THE FCK DRM INITIATIVE.

Denuvo is causing cpu bottlenecks for games that should be gpu intensive and its causing issues for gamers.  I'm at a point where I either have to buy a new cpu, skip them or simply pirate games that use denuvo. I'm not buying a new CPU to play games that are defective by design.

Phry

Rhygarth said:

Phry said:

toddze said:

Well what’s going to piss gamers off more, botters/hackers, as Denuvo is also anti-cheat or a poorly optimized Denuvo, that slows load screens down a bit? Denuvo isn’t causing 30-60 second load screens. It’s the game. If it wasn’t there it would still be brutal load screens, guaranteed. 

Its not a PVP game and you only ever play with a couple of other people at most, those kinds of things wouldn't cause enough of an issue. Besides as an anti-cheat program Denuvo is a fail.

They are adding leaderboards to Anthem so what you are saying is its ok to let cheaters get the top place ?

Totally false equivalency, there are less intrusive methods of preventing those kinds of things, and you are fooling yourself if you think Denuvo can prevent it in the first place. As for leaderboards, what would be the point, besides which with all the issues with the game perhaps they should be concentrating more on not bricking PS4's and adding content for whoever is left playing the game.

Scot

Shaigh said:

Scot said:

Renoaku can you tell us what DRM programmes you are happy with and support?

My guess would be THE FCK DRM INITIATIVE.

Denuvo is causing cpu bottlenecks for games that should be gpu intensive and its causing issues for gamers.  I'm at a point where I either have to buy a new cpu, skip them or simply pirate games that use denuvo. I'm not buying a new CPU to play games that are defective by design.

As a hyper-realistic shooter fan I appreciate that something like DRM can cause issues, anything that could make my game lag is a pain in the joystick. However, DRM stops piracy and gaming is a better place without piracy.

So you can understand my querying if this is about real issues or just something drummed up by those like yourself that think piracy is OK. I do though appreciate that the onus is on the developers to get their DRM software to work without causing issues.

k61977

I only opened this to see if I was right about who created it.  I was!

toddze

Denuvo as it pertains to anthem isn’t for piracy. You can’t pirate games that require you to sign into an account to play, which has no offline mode. 

The game is cpu intensive because it’s shitty optimized. My i9 9990k set 4.5 ghz works it’s ass off, playing this game. If Denuvo wasn’t there would it be a little les cpu intensive? Probably. Would you get a FPS boost? Probably. With that said. I’ve played pve games and botters/hackers by far ruin my game experience more than a small % increase to cpu/load screens and a little less fps. 

Btw idk of any anti cheat software that’s a 100% of course people will find a way around Denuvo. But it stops rampant runaway botters. 

Btw my hope one day is they add PvP javelins Or PvP gear for different loadout . And PvP content.  

Shaigh

Scot said:

Shaigh said:

Scot said:

Renoaku can you tell us what DRM programmes you are happy with and support?

My guess would be THE FCK DRM INITIATIVE.

Denuvo is causing cpu bottlenecks for games that should be gpu intensive and its causing issues for gamers.  I'm at a point where I either have to buy a new cpu, skip them or simply pirate games that use denuvo. I'm not buying a new CPU to play games that are defective by design.

As a hyper-realistic shooter fan I appreciate that something like DRM can cause issues, anything that could make my game lag is a pain in the joystick. However, DRM stops piracy and gaming is a better place without piracy.

So you can understand my querying if this is about real issues or just something drummed up by those like yourself that think piracy is OK. I do though appreciate that the onus is on the developers to get their DRM software to work without causing issues.

If I pirated stuff I wouldn't have to deal with denuvo, I would just grab it once it was cracked. Its just comfortable getting legal copies and not having to deal with the hassle that happens with pirating stuff.

alkarionlog

Renoaku said:

toddze said:

Well what’s going to piss gamers off more, botters/hackers, as Denuvo is also anti-cheat or a poorly optimized Denuvo, that slows load screens down a bit? Denuvo isn’t causing 30-60 second load screens. It’s the game. If it wasn’t there it would still be brutal load screens, guaranteed. 

Yep I didn't buy the game because of Denuvo.

Also Skipped buying DMC 5 because of Denuvo.

But the Developers of Devil May Cry 5, accidently leaked the Denuvo DRM free version and FPS was around 20+ FPS performance when benched by another user compared to Denuvo so those saying it doesn't effect performance is false.

Also this was not accounting for users like myself who use their PC to run multiple games, or use it as a work station which often causes Denuvo games to get 1 second random freezes, and even lower performance across multiple apps, even on an i7/i9 or Ryzen system doesn't really matter what you are using the impact is there.

Also Denuvo Games do not remain protected past a week especially true for AAA games like Resident Evil, DMC, Dino Crisis, Far Cry usually c****** and leaked within a week of release a full working copy which leaves the only people hurt by the DRM the paying consumer it's why I stopped buying games all together using Denuvo as a DRM.

just so, to the people who think denuvo is a anti cheat and anti piracy tool, DMC5 is already free to download on piracy sites.(without denuvo, since for some I will need to spell it)

you know what is funny? denuvo is not free, company pay for it, with in line, for the people who liked epic pricing for devs, would lower they gain margin, but how we can see, don't matter what anti piracy the game will have, people will break it, so its not only a waste of time and resources, its also something who make the legit player feel ripped and more then likely next time they will play the game, but not buy the game

alkarionlog

Shaigh said:

Scot said:

Shaigh said:

Scot said:

Renoaku can you tell us what DRM programmes you are happy with and support?

My guess would be THE FCK DRM INITIATIVE.

Denuvo is causing cpu bottlenecks for games that should be gpu intensive and its causing issues for gamers.  I'm at a point where I either have to buy a new cpu, skip them or simply pirate games that use denuvo. I'm not buying a new CPU to play games that are defective by design.

As a hyper-realistic shooter fan I appreciate that something like DRM can cause issues, anything that could make my game lag is a pain in the joystick. However, DRM stops piracy and gaming is a better place without piracy.

So you can understand my querying if this is about real issues or just something drummed up by those like yourself that think piracy is OK. I do though appreciate that the onus is on the developers to get their DRM software to work without causing issues.

If I pirated stuff I wouldn't have to deal with denuvo, I would just grab it once it was cracked. Its just comfortable getting legal copies and not having to deal with the hassle that happens with pirating stuff.

only hassle I can see is if you like online play, if not not even that

alkarionlog

toddze said:

Denuvo as it pertains to anthem isn’t for piracy. You can’t pirate games that require you to sign into an account to play, which has no offline mode. 

The game is cpu intensive because it’s shitty optimized. My i9 9990k set 4.5 ghz works it’s ass off, playing this game. If Denuvo wasn’t there would it be a little les cpu intensive? Probably. Would you get a FPS boost? Probably. With that said. I’ve played pve games and botters/hackers by far ruin my game experience more than a small % increase to cpu/load screens and a little less fps. 

Btw idk of any anti cheat software that’s a 100% of course people will find a way around Denuvo. But it stops rampant runaway botters. 

Btw my hope one day is they add PvP javelins Or PvP gear for different loadout . And PvP content.  

actually sc2 and MHW says hello, and as long you can play alone, with I heard you can, they can make it a pirated copy of it, even if they can't, its not like people who is skipping the game is losing much

SplitStream13

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game where your Origin game launcher is basically all the DRM that you need<O> The execs of EA are freaking mental. Jesus Christ.

You are supposed to put an anti-cheat solution, not a DRM.... ffs

I guess they take this reddit thread as some peasant joke that they are too rich to understand, lol.

Kajidourden

moosecatlol said:

My most recent experience with Denuvo is that pirated version of FFXV performed way better than the steam version.

Now I get the joy of cancer once again with DMC5. Kill me.

Isn't the steam version DRM-free? (For DMC5)

Gdemami

SplitStream13 said:

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game 

....because that is where it makes most sense since Denuvo cannot be effectively removed from the game unlike in case of offline game.

TheDarkrayne

SplitStream13 said:

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game where your Origin game launcher is basically all the DRM that you need<O> The execs of EA are freaking mental. Jesus Christ.

You are supposed to put an anti-cheat solution, not a DRM.... ffs

I guess they take this reddit thread as some peasant joke that they are too rich to understand, lol. 

Denuvo is anti-tamper. DRM isn't the only thing it does. It's a robust anti-cheat solution as well. They expanded it's functions last year.

Panther2103

Kajidourden said:

moosecatlol said:

My most recent experience with Denuvo is that pirated version of FFXV performed way better than the steam version.

Now I get the joy of cancer once again with DMC5. Kill me.

Isn't the steam version DRM-free? (For DMC5)

Even if it was, Steam itself is a form of DRM.

alkarionlog

TheDarkrayne said:

SplitStream13 said:

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game where your Origin game launcher is basically all the DRM that you need<O> The execs of EA are freaking mental. Jesus Christ.

You are supposed to put an anti-cheat solution, not a DRM.... ffs

I guess they take this reddit thread as some peasant joke that they are too rich to understand, lol. 

Denuvo is anti-tamper. DRM isn't the only thing it does. It's a robust anti-cheat solution as well. They expanded it's functions last year.

and still don't work even with the new "feature"

TheDarkrayne

alkarionlog said:

TheDarkrayne said:

SplitStream13 said:

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game where your Origin game launcher is basically all the DRM that you need<O> The execs of EA are freaking mental. Jesus Christ.

You are supposed to put an anti-cheat solution, not a DRM.... ffs

I guess they take this reddit thread as some peasant joke that they are too rich to understand, lol. 

Denuvo is anti-tamper. DRM isn't the only thing it does. It's a robust anti-cheat solution as well. They expanded it's functions last year.

and still don't work even with the new "feature"

Yes, I know it's hip to hate on Denuvo.. and no software is ever going to be completely hack proof.. and it does affect performance on lesser systems, especially i5 systems.. but it stops major cheating issues from getting out of control and makes it quite hard for the average user to use something like an aim-bot. Anything that alters the game files will be flagged.

If you want cheating in these games to go away.. you got to accept that your PC is going to have to do more work. It's the same for any anti-tamper or anti-cheat software.

Single player games don't need it.. games with multiplayer generally do need it.

Denuvo also stops.. or at least prevents.. people starting private servers.

alkarionlog

TheDarkrayne said:

alkarionlog said:

TheDarkrayne said:

SplitStream13 said:

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game where your Origin game launcher is basically all the DRM that you need<O> The execs of EA are freaking mental. Jesus Christ.

You are supposed to put an anti-cheat solution, not a DRM.... ffs

I guess they take this reddit thread as some peasant joke that they are too rich to understand, lol. 

Denuvo is anti-tamper. DRM isn't the only thing it does. It's a robust anti-cheat solution as well. They expanded it's functions last year.

and still don't work even with the new "feature"

Yes, I know it's hip to hate on Denuvo.. and no software is ever going to be completely hack proof.. and it does affect performance on lesser systems, especially i5 systems.. but it stops major cheating issues from getting out of control and makes it quite hard for the average user to use something like an aim-bot. Anything that alters the game files will be flagged.

If you want cheating in these games to go away.. you got to accept that your PC is going to have to do more work. It's the same for any anti-tamper or anti-cheat software.

Single player games don't need it.. games with multiplayer generally do need it.

Denuvo also stops.. or at least prevents.. people starting private servers.

wrong again, most cheating tools, hacks and such first thing they do, they turn off such anti-cheat softwares

what you are saying is wishfull thinking on hoping denuvo would stop cheats, but cheats first rule is to copy certain files inside the game files, or install such files, so they turn off such softwares, or the very least not be detectable, only way to mitigate such hackings would be banning people who does doing a server side check or abnormal things, like damage or time completion of mission/quests.

little example, MHW there is several quests timer of people who finished such quest in 0:01 time, but since capcom don't bother to check they are still there

so again denuvo is a waste of resources and money and there is no valid argument to make use of such, unless people inside are using these things to deviate money from the company

SplitStream13

TheDarkrayne said:

SplitStream13 said:

Why would you put a Denuvo DRM into a freaking always-on multiplayer game where your Origin game launcher is basically all the DRM that you need<O> The execs of EA are freaking mental. Jesus Christ.

You are supposed to put an anti-cheat solution, not a DRM.... ffs

I guess they take this reddit thread as some peasant joke that they are too rich to understand, lol. 

Denuvo is anti-tamper. DRM isn't the only thing it does. It's a robust anti-cheat solution as well. They expanded it's functions last year.

If that were true, Apex Legends wouldn't rely on shitty easy anti-cheat but rather on Denuvo since they already have it.