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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    cheyane said:
    Decapitation and other forms of violence in games don't  bother you but you're bothered they are doing it in a metal bikini and look like a child according to you perception. Seems like you have your priorities in order.
    I appreciate the attempt a making a point here, and I absolutely adore sarcasm, but the truth is that your post is almost entirely meaningless.

    1: Even if my priorities were out of order that wouldn't make the initial priority wrong.
    2: The idea that one form of evil must be eradicated before others are addressed is silly.

    Example: Oh thanks for arresting me for stealing a bag of Cheetos, don't you have a murderer to arrest?  I guess the police force has their priorities all screwed up; therefore, stealing a bag of Cheetos is okay.

    This thread is about a topic that has nothing to do with violence.
    If you'd like to discuss violence in video games please do so in another thread.

    Thanks.

  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    edited February 2019
    WargfootYV said:

    Same for the Victoria Secret models and large chested nitwits in impossible armor 
    Why is them being large chested relevant?

    If your point is that the garments worn do not plausibly pass for armor (which would require overlooking that nearly all gaming armor is magic), wouldn't small to medium chested armor be subject to the same objection? And why are the models "nitwits?" 

    I am also puzzled by your statement about "dopey eyes." Why dopey? Where do you get that from? Again with the insults based on intelligence.

    Your post seems more like a self administered Rorschach test, revealing your personal inclinations and biases.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,939
    Sovrath said:

    But, the world doesn't revolve around you. You are not the epicenter of everything, you are your own little special snowflake (as we all are) and you enjoy what you enjoy but you don't define anything for others.

    Therefore, your opinion is subjective. 
    It doesn't matter how many people enjoy picking their nose at the dinner table.
    It is still gross and wrong - objectively wrong.

    So I don't care how many people like pre-teen over-rendered school girls flashing their underwear.
    It is objectively wrong and objectively stupid.
    As are the games that feature bikini clad witches controlling dragons.


    If 6 people are sitting around the table picking their nose and they have  no problem with it it's not "wrong"

    Once again, you really need to take a step back and realize that while you can judge your own life based on your own criteria, other people can also do the same.

    I'm not asian, have never lived in an Asian country but I strongly suspect that this is more complicated than just saying they are pre-teen school girls.

    My girlfriend is japanese (born here, lived until 8 then had to go back to Japan) and I asked her about some posters that portrayed characters with very round eyes and whether they are supposed to be Japanese or are trying to be western. She said that they were indeed Japanese but that there is a greater value put in "cute" and that they were most likely trying to be depicted as "cute"

    Cute, innocent, child like are all valued. And though Korea and China are different cultures, it's very possible they are depicting those things through their own cultural lens and that you as an outsider don't have the right tools to truly understand what's going on.

    It's true, there are some things that are definitely trying to be sexual. But we have that over here as well. And yes, I'm sure you don't like those as well. And that's fine.
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    I'd much rather that the game be depicted accurately in their advertising.  If the game features this type of artwork, I would like to know that before I purchase it.  No surprises, please.  So, I'm okay with the advertising, even if some of it is inappropriate at times.



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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:



    In any case, you don't like them, that's great. But I and others are ok with indulging our inner 13 year old. Man or Woman!



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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261

    Sovrath said:


    In any case, you don't like them, that's great. But I and others are ok with indulging our inner 13 year old. Man or Woman!


    This makes you a bad person in real life.


    You see that warning I have on my profile to the left? It was for talking about this same thing. Just letting you know that you won't be allowed to carry on along those lines here... which is understandable, you can't go around insulting people because they choose to like a mainstream form of entertainment. It's a different perspective, it doesn't mean they are sexually attracted to children. It's much more like being attracted to dwarfs than anything else tbh.
    Saying that Sorvath is evil in real life is obviously a joke.
    He's been making contributions to the thread.


  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Nyctelios said:
    I'm sorry, OP, but all I can think of about your rant is this



    You may have just won the internet for today.
  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Sovrath said:

    Once again, you really need to take a step back and realize that while you can judge your own life based on your own criteria, other people can also do the same.

    I'm not asian, have never lived in an Asian country but I strongly suspect that this is more complicated than just saying they are pre-teen school girls.

    I just noted that I see lots of games being advertised and at times I get the impression that so very many of them have a very over the top anime style that is repulsive.  Hence the rant.  

    It isn't fair to "strongly suspect that is more"  because that is casting the rant in potentially racist terms and I can assure you, even if a white Harvard educated middle class American male had come up with panty flashing anime I would still hate it all the same.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,939
    Sovrath said:

    Once again, you really need to take a step back and realize that while you can judge your own life based on your own criteria, other people can also do the same.

    I'm not asian, have never lived in an Asian country but I strongly suspect that this is more complicated than just saying they are pre-teen school girls.

    I just noted that I see lots of games being advertised and at times I get the impression that so very many of them have a very over the top anime style that is repulsive.  Hence the rant.  

    It isn't fair to "strongly suspect that is more"  because that is casting the rant in potentially racist terms and I can assure you, even if a white Harvard educated middle class American male had come up with panty flashing anime I would still hate it all the same.
    No, what I'm saying by saying "strongly suspect" is that it's a more complicated cultural thing that an outsider might not have enough information to fairly make a decision.

    Not saying it has anything to do with racism. Just that there is more to it than one might realize.
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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Amathe said:
    WargfootYV said:

    Same for the Victoria Secret models and large chested nitwits in impossible armor 
    Why is them being large chested relevant? 

    I dunno, maybe ask the artists that insist on giving women extraordinarily large chests in those game?  

    I've seen women complain about this before, that is, how women are depicted in video games.  The men are often fully clothed in approximately realistic armor while the women run around nearly naked and dressed in the most implausible sex kitten outfits.  

    It is an entirely different topic, but if you're okay with women being depicted as objects I'm not one to argue with you about it.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,939

    Sovrath said:


    In any case, you don't like them, that's great. But I and others are ok with indulging our inner 13 year old. Man or Woman!


    This makes you a bad person in real life.


    You see that warning I have on my profile to the left? It was for talking about this same thing. Just letting you know that you won't be allowed to carry on along those lines here... which is understandable, you can't go around insulting people because they choose to like a mainstream form of entertainment. It's a different perspective, it doesn't mean they are sexually attracted to children. It's much more like being attracted to dwarfs than anything else tbh.
    Saying that Sorvath is evil in real life is obviously a joke.
    He's been making contributions to the thread.


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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261

    Well yeah or maybe you could pay their fucking site costs so they don't need to rely on advertising to survive.

    From the original post:

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    I appreciate the service offered here.
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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    edited February 2019
    Sovrath said:

    No, what I'm saying by saying "strongly suspect" is that it's a more complicated cultural thing that an outsider might not have enough information to fairly make a decision.

    Not saying it has anything to do with racism. Just that there is more to it than one might realize.

    Thank you for the clarification.

    I'm accustomed to people, upon losing ground in an argument, falling back on  a charge of racism to salvage themselves.  I should have thought better of you.

    As I pointed out earlier, I enjoyed the art style in Tales of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata.
    I don't think you need a great deal of cultural understanding to appreciate art - if you did, the art would not be universal.

    The rant is more along the lines of "is anyone making games today that don't have hoards of children flashing their underwear"?  It is based on an impression - like how when someone cuts you off in traffic and you become convinced EVERYONE is doing this to you.

    Rants are rarely factual or rational which is what makes them beautiful.
    They're an artform you wouldn't understand unless you knew my culture a bit better.

    :D
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited February 2019
    I love MMORPG.
    I appreciate the service offered here.
    I understand you have to pay your bills - I'm not blaming you.

    That said, the proliferation of anime styled games with the big dopey eyes, excessive use of pastel colors, and the ridiculously long legs on pre-teen characters showing their underwear needs to stop.  Same for the Victoria Secret models and large chested nitwits in impossible armor - that has more in common with lingerie than actual armor - it is all terrible and I want the developers of these games to suffer in real life.

    As an adult that spends money on games it is embarrassing to have my wife walk into the room and see this trash - not subjectively trash, but objective TRASH games being advertised on my monitor.  

    Maybe we could have two MMORPG sites?
    One for the 13 year-old boy confused about his first boner and then maybe a site for adults?

    I don't expect anything to change, but this shit is genuinely stupid.
    So you are one of those adults ashamed of your hobbies? how about changing hobbies to something your family would find acceptable?

    My family have ZERO word on what i like because i don't tell them what they should like either.

    According to you, someone cannot be an adult if they like anime style entertainment.

    Don't be ashamed of yourself, you already play video games as an adult.

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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261

    According to you, someone cannot be an adult if they like anime style entertainment.

    I think I was pretty specific in citing a particular style of anime and non-anime art.
    I also referenced two anime games I enjoyed.

    I think you're an accomplished troll who intentionally misrepresented my position so that I'd respond.
    Well done.
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Amathe said:
    WargfootYV said:

    Same for the Victoria Secret models and large chested nitwits in impossible armor 
    Why is them being large chested relevant? 

    I dunno, maybe ask the artists that insist on giving women extraordinarily large chests in those game?  

    I've seen women complain about this before, that is, how women are depicted in video games.  The men are often fully clothed in approximately realistic armor while the women run around nearly naked and dressed in the most implausible sex kitten outfits.  

    It is an entirely different topic, but if you're okay with women being depicted as objects I'm not one to argue with you about it.

    I thought in our enlightened age that being a feminist would be easier than this.
    You originally framed the issue in terms of the armor being unrealistic , strangely only based on bosom size.  Now you are a champion of women's rights. Ok. An argument can be made about the problems of objectification. I think that argument would look less contrived if it was made on behalf of all women and not just some of them. 

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722

    According to you, someone cannot be an adult if they like anime style entertainment.

    I think I was pretty specific in citing a particular style of anime and non-anime art.
    I also referenced two anime games I enjoyed.

    I think you're an accomplished troll who intentionally misrepresented my position so that I'd respond.
    Well done.
    When people complain about fan service i generally agree with them as it can be annoying, but your post looked a bit more general to me. That's all.




  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Amathe said:
    Amathe said:
    WargfootYV said:

    Same for the Victoria Secret models and large chested nitwits in impossible armor 
    Why is them being large chested relevant? 

    I dunno, maybe ask the artists that insist on giving women extraordinarily large chests in those game?  

    I've seen women complain about this before, that is, how women are depicted in video games.  The men are often fully clothed in approximately realistic armor while the women run around nearly naked and dressed in the most implausible sex kitten outfits.  

    It is an entirely different topic, but if you're okay with women being depicted as objects I'm not one to argue with you about it.

    I thought in our enlightened age that being a feminist would be easier than this.
    You originally framed the issue in terms of the armor being unrealistic , strangely only based on bosom size.  Now you are a champion of women's rights. Ok. An argument can be made about the problems of objectification. I think that argument would look less contrived if it was made on behalf of all women and not just some of them. 

    This really isn't a women's rights forum.
    I should think the topic would have to be about games.
    I've cited a couple I've found to be annoying in their advertising.

    I don't know anything about how the games play - the art style is so annoying I wouldn't play it if it was free.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654

    So you are one of those adults ashamed of your hobbies? how about changing hobbies to something your family would find acceptable?

    My family have ZERO word on what i like because i don't tell them what they should like either.

    According to you, someone cannot be an adult if they like anime style entertainment.

    Don't be ashamed of yourself, you already play video games as an adult.

    Nobody I know plays video games. I don't fit the description as someone who does, so I don't tell people I do. It's always a weird reaction if I mention it to somebody, so I stopped.
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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Nyctelios said:
    I have a friend that is neck deep into lolis.

    I am fully and proudly a follower of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Magical Girl Ore "manly poses".

    Why can't we all just get along and be friends?
    Good heavens, I don't hate anyone here for disagreeing with me and I certainly wouldn't condemn anyone for having abysmally poor tastes in games.  I said I found the advertising annoying - if you enjoy the game, even if objectively bad, that is your choice.

    I've watched poorly scripted TV shows, listened to goofy songs, and enjoyed X-Men comic books.  If you said you hated X-Men comic books that wouldn't make either your or I a bad person.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    Last night channel surfing for background TV while leveling my Skald (47, 3 to go) I stopped on an old movie, Electra.

    It is not a very good film,  but it's one really bright spot was how good Jennifer Garner looked in her revealing red costume. 

    Yeah, still some 13 year old boy in me...

    ;)
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Kyleran said:


    Yeah, still some 13 year old boy in me...

    ;)
    PM sent.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,939


    Rants are rarely factual or rational which is what makes them beautiful.
    They're an artform you wouldn't understand unless you knew my culture a bit better.

    :D
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  • WargfootYVWargfootYV Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Sovrath said:


    Rants are rarely factual or rational which is what makes them beautiful.
    They're an artform you wouldn't understand unless you knew my culture a bit better.

    :D
    Which culture?
    *backs slowly out of the thread*
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Amathe said:
    WargfootYV said:

    Same for the Victoria Secret models and large chested nitwits in impossible armor 
    Why is them being large chested relevant? 

    I dunno, maybe ask the artists that insist on giving women extraordinarily large chests in those game?  

    I've seen women complain about this before, that is, how women are depicted in video games.  The men are often fully clothed in approximately realistic armor while the women run around nearly naked and dressed in the most implausible sex kitten outfits.  

    It is an entirely different topic, but if you're okay with women being depicted as objects I'm not one to argue with you about it.

    I thought in our enlightened age that being a feminist would be easier than this.
    Those SJW that don't understand the culture anime comes from and how they don't see this as an issue, because it is not. They drown in their own glass of water then complain about it.
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