This is why consoles are better, more popular and successful. Same in the future with mobile gaming. A single GPU costs 200+ dollars for a good one. That is just a GPU. Then you need a CPU, power supply, motherboard and all kinds of stuff. Heck for me to upgrade my CPU, I also need a new motherboard AND new ram...those three things would cost over 1000 USD to upgrade to a modern relatively high end system. I can't upgrade my motherboard without upgrading my other stuff, cause my motherboard is so old.
Or pay roughly 500 for an xbox one, about same for PS4...and...you get a better gaming system for the price than you would a PC
And people wonder why PC gaming is dying lol. PC hardware needs to die so prices can match todays income, and match the price of console hardware. I'd need 1k to upgrade my PC, when an xbox one costs around 500 USD...makes no sense what so ever.
Until PCs are as affordable as console gaming, consoles will continue to dominate. Heck, outside the US, a pc upgrade (if all hardware is outdated) can cost over 5000 USD in euros depending on the exchange rate. WTF?
PC gaming is dying because how expensive it is to buy a modern, high end system that also matches the power of consoles.
Computers are cheaper now than they ever have been. Consoles and PC's are playing the same games except for exclusives. I'm ok with that.
Well.... except for the exclusives... but I'll let that slide
Wrong
Here is wiki on xbox one for the cpu. For me to buy a CPU THAT good, would mean I also need a new motherboard, new power supply and new ram. In total, it be more expensive to upgrade my junk CPU than it would to buy roughly 500 USD for a xbox one. Not even in the same ballpark.
I never said they were cheaper than an Xbox, I said Computers are cheaper now than they were.
I paid $2400 1986 dollars for a Commodore Amiga, was another $1100 if you wanted a 40 meg HD. I paid $1800 for a Samsung 286, $3200 for a Gateway 386, etc. etc. etc. I paid $2700 for a 1 meg 3d video card in 1992 for my first CAD which was a 486.
GPU's are vastly more inexpensive though. They are only hardware that IS affordable and cheaper now than ever before. But every other hardware is stupidely overpriced compared to the same specs consoles get. Can't even upgrade one piece of hardware at a time, cause my ram isn't compatible with new motherboards, and I need a new power supply
I hope PC market dies in the future because how greedy these companies are so prices tank. Yet somehow a 500 dollar xbox costs less than upgrading a PC would that has too many outdated parts? I need a minimum of 3, maybe 4 hardware upgrades at once just because my cpu/ram/motherboard are so old. But an xbox one single handedly is cheaper than that? That isn't fair, that is a slap in the face rip off to pc gamers.
Consoles are bargains only problem is, that they only play games and movies. Computers can do so much more but that is only because of the locked and loaded proprietary software found on the consoles.
That isn't fair and is a slap in the face rip off to console gamers.
Then make computers that play PC games, that only play games. I don't need all the other junk. I don't want anything more than my games, my internet browser and that is it. I don't need the other junk. Then make it affordable like console gaming.
Make it a pre-built PC only design is to play games and nothing else, heck not even a browser be fine then I can just use my phone's browser so that still works. And allow PC gaming. There are many games on PC you can't play on console, WoW, RTS games, TCG games, lots of genres and games so there is a reason to have a PC as far as games go.
My phone can do everything else anyway.
And then charge the same price one would charge a console.
Problem solved, and then us super poor people that even though we work really hard, can't afford anything, can enjoy pc gaming with modern games.
This is why consoles are better, more popular and successful. Same in the future with mobile gaming. A single GPU costs 200+ dollars for a good one. That is just a GPU. Then you need a CPU, power supply, motherboard and all kinds of stuff. Heck for me to upgrade my CPU, I also need a new motherboard AND new ram...those three things would cost over 1000 USD to upgrade to a modern relatively high end system. I can't upgrade my motherboard without upgrading my other stuff, cause my motherboard is so old.
Or pay roughly 500 for an xbox one, about same for PS4...and...you get a better gaming system for the price than you would a PC
And people wonder why PC gaming is dying lol. PC hardware needs to die so prices can match todays income, and match the price of console hardware. I'd need 1k to upgrade my PC, when an xbox one costs around 500 USD...makes no sense what so ever.
Until PCs are as affordable as console gaming, consoles will continue to dominate. Heck, outside the US, a pc upgrade (if all hardware is outdated) can cost over 5000 USD in euros depending on the exchange rate. WTF?
PC gaming is dying because how expensive it is to buy a modern, high end system that also matches the power of consoles.
Computers are cheaper now than they ever have been. Consoles and PC's are playing the same games except for exclusives. I'm ok with that.
Well.... except for the exclusives... but I'll let that slide
Wrong
Here is wiki on xbox one for the cpu. For me to buy a CPU THAT good, would mean I also need a new motherboard, new power supply and new ram. In total, it be more expensive to upgrade my junk CPU than it would to buy roughly 500 USD for a xbox one. Not even in the same ballpark.
I never said they were cheaper than an Xbox, I said Computers are cheaper now than they were.
I paid $2400 1986 dollars for a Commodore Amiga, was another $1100 if you wanted a 40 meg HD. I paid $1800 for a Samsung 286, $3200 for a Gateway 386, etc. etc. etc. I paid $2700 for a 1 meg 3d video card in 1992 for my first CAD which was a 486.
GPU's are vastly more inexpensive though. They are only hardware that IS affordable and cheaper now than ever before. But every other hardware is stupidely overpriced compared to the same specs consoles get. Can't even upgrade one piece of hardware at a time, cause my ram isn't compatible with new motherboards, and I need a new power supply
I hope PC market dies in the future because how greedy these companies are so prices tank. Yet somehow a 500 dollar xbox costs less than upgrading a PC would that has too many outdated parts? I need a minimum of 3, maybe 4 hardware upgrades at once just because my cpu/ram/motherboard are so old. But an xbox one single handedly is cheaper than that? That isn't fair, that is a slap in the face rip off to pc gamers.
Consoles are bargains only problem is, that they only play games and movies. Computers can do so much more but that is only because of the locked and loaded proprietary software found on the consoles.
That isn't fair and is a slap in the face rip off to console gamers.
Then make computers that play PC games, that only play games. I don't need all the other junk. I don't want anything more than my games, my internet browser and that is it. I don't need the other junk. Then make it affordable like console gaming.
Make it a pre-built PC only design is to play games and nothing else, heck not even a browser be fine then I can just use my phone's browser so that still works. And allow PC gaming. There are many games on PC you can't play on console, WoW, RTS games, TCG games, lots of genres and games so there is a reason to have a PC as far as games go.
My phone can do everything else anyway.
And then charge the same price one would charge a console.
Problem solved, and then us super poor people that even though we work really hard, can't afford anything, can enjoy pc gaming with modern games.
They already do, its called a Console.
Computers are tools that can play games.
Consoles can't play WoW, most other MMOs, can't play RTS/4x/city builder etc games, can't play many genres very good.
A highly economic pc build, with steam/epic store built in, only goal is gaming, would revolutionize PC gaming and make it affordable to the masses
Unless you are invested in stocks for console companies, then you would agree that this would be great for PC gamers. But I understand if you have stocks in console gaming, cause then there is the fear of losing your money in stocks.
Sure they can, its not a hardware issue, its a developer one.
They tried one it was called the Steam Machine and it flopped.
Or pay roughly 500 for an xbox one, about same for PS4...and...you get a better gaming system for the price than you would a PC
...snip...
Let me correct you here......pay roughly 500$ for an xbox one or about the same for a ps4...and...you get a lesser gaming system that can't even dream of doing anywhere near as much as a PC...let's not even get into how modding games is so much better on PC etc etc.
PC Master Race...it's a cliche for a good reason!
Just got to pity all them lesser one's on their cheapo consoles and cheapo cells phone playing crap mobile games....lmao
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
This is why consoles are better, more popular and successful. Same in the future with mobile gaming. A single GPU costs 200+ dollars for a good one. That is just a GPU. Then you need a CPU, power supply, motherboard and all kinds of stuff. Heck for me to upgrade my CPU, I also need a new motherboard AND new ram...those three things would cost over 1000 USD to upgrade to a modern relatively high end system. I can't upgrade my motherboard without upgrading my other stuff, cause my motherboard is so old.
Or pay roughly 500 for an xbox one, about same for PS4...and...you get a better gaming system for the price than you would a PC
And people wonder why PC gaming is dying lol. PC hardware needs to die so prices can match todays income, and match the price of console hardware. I'd need 1k to upgrade my PC, when an xbox one costs around 500 USD...makes no sense what so ever.
Until PCs are as affordable as console gaming, consoles will continue to dominate. Heck, outside the US, a pc upgrade (if all hardware is outdated) can cost over 5000 USD in euros depending on the exchange rate. WTF?
PC gaming is dying because how expensive it is to buy a modern, high end system that also matches the power of consoles.
Computers are cheaper now than they ever have been. Consoles and PC's are playing the same games except for exclusives. I'm ok with that.
Well.... except for the exclusives... but I'll let that slide
Wrong
Here is wiki on xbox one for the cpu. For me to buy a CPU THAT good, would mean I also need a new motherboard, new power supply and new ram. In total, it be more expensive to upgrade my junk CPU than it would to buy roughly 500 USD for a xbox one. Not even in the same ballpark.
So us poor people can't get a good PC upgrade. But these reviewers just get sent entire machines and hardware for free? WTF? How is that fair at all? I need a PC upgrade bad, my CPU is an i5 660 3.3 GHz machine, and it barely plays modern games. And yet machines are just handed out to reviewers and I can't even get a PC upgrade?
And then I see consoles are so cheap, with vastly better hardware than I have...and the same hardware for a PC is more expensive? WTF? How does that make any sense or fair to us pc gamers?
There is intense bribery going on for console makers, and reviewers and anyone who gets free hardware when poor people can't even get a single pc upgrade and stuck with outdated machines. That is the only thing I can think of, because its so unfair to see people get free hardware that I couldn't dream of affording, when I work on the street 18 hours a day to make an income. I work harder than someone sitting in a chair reviewing expensive hardware, and I can't even upgrade my old PC. I can't even barely afford food and rent. I don't even have a TV cause can't afford one, so a console be useless anyway.
This is BS.
You should look into upgrading to xeon. Check if your motherboard supports any decent xeon that's cheap. A lot of xeon processors sell for next to nothing and have ridiculous performance, especially if your mobo allows overclocking... some $5-$20 xeons that are 4 cores 8 threads(or even 6 cores 12 threads for same or slightly higher prices) can overclock to 3.5-4.4 ghz quite easily. That's just ridiculous for the price.
Alternatively look up some workstations. They go dirt cheap nowadays. Find a decent one with a good 3rd/4th gen CPU slap an rx 570 and you are good to go, though I won't lie it won't look good visually since workstations are ugly and some might not be able to fit a decent GPU without cutting a part of them :P
ROFL on the affordable. There is a mistake on the stats for the card too, they only come with 6 GB memory.
Only a fool would buy one. They are not going for $250 either, the ones I have seen in the stores are $299 and $329 and yes they were from MSI. The 2060, which is a lot more powerful, is only running $40 more. Not sure what the Nvidia marketing people are smoking, but this card really has no market.
This is the 1660, not the 1660ti. The 1660 base price is $219, none of them are selling for $299 to $329.
Overpriced. I am still gaming on a Gigabyte windforce OC 1050 Ti. Paired with an FX 6300 @4GHz and 16 gigs of ram. This setup still goes strong at 1080p gaming.
Nvidia is spending big money to push this 1660, I seeing these reviews "everywhere" , social media. game media and everywhere they can try and regain the 30% mid level market they lost. Nvidia is headed for trash can next. Mark my worlds. The fact that it is a hunk of crap, that reviewers are giddy over, $$$$$$$$$$$
1. You wuill never get this results on your pc. 2. Nvidia is a paid sponsor of reviewers \ 3. They are not future proof 4. Where isnvidias 7nm offering ? 5. Still on 16nm ?
I won't comment on whether Nvidia pays for reviews, however it's a fact that Nvidia cards are better than AMD when it comes to gaming and there's nothing wrong with that. That's also why AMD released cheaper GPU's that are getting even cheaper with better deals(free games) that said they are still inferior, BUT depending on what you play the rx 580 for example with the free games is a better deal than the 1660 even if it comes at the same price.
I've read that the new Navi GPU's will focus on gaming, so essentially they will be about as strong as the old RX 580/590 when it comes to computing which is great. With that in mind we should expect quite decent cards(possibly equal if not even slightly better) than Nvidia at the same or lower prices.
Also when it comes to future proof... it depends on what you play. You can get 200+ fps on high settings in LoL on a GTX 760 and will continue to have that performance for years to come... so future proof is relative to be honest when it comes to gaming.
Currently you can build 6-10 core(12-20threads) xeon PC that will obliterate most games at high/ultra settings at 1080p and the whole system excluding the GPU will probably cost you less than just a higher end modern CPU.
GameByNightHardware and Technology EditorMMORPG.COM Staff, MemberRarePosts: 811
First of all, kudos for defending your work against a random person online sniping from the peanut gallery.
My complaint about hardware reviews is not that a lot of them are positive. It's that I've never yet seen one on this site that was mostly negative and basically concluded, this product was a huge disappointment and you definitely shouldn't buy it. It's possible that there have been some such reviews and I just missed them. But there's an enormous difference between 90% of reviews being mostly positive and 100% of them being that way.
With game reviews on this site, that's not the story at all. Some games get--and deserve--highly positive reviews. And some get blasted as terrible. For example, this site gave League of Angels a 4/10 back when the game was a major advertiser on the site. And a lot of games are in between.
I certainly believe that you try to pick interesting hardware that is likely to be good as what you'll review. I could certainly believe that most of the products you review do what they intended to do and do it pretty well. What I don't believe is that you never guess wrong and end up with a lemon.
They had some nice things to say about the power supply. But the conclusion was that the +3.3 V rail ran way out of spec, so don't buy it, as there are plenty of other, better options.
My criticism here wasn't targeted at this review. Benchmarking is hard. I don't know how to say that without it sounding like sarcasm, but I mean that seriously. Getting measurements that you can put in a chart is easy if you're just measuring whatever is easiest to measure. Getting measurements that accurately reflect what you'd like to measure (in this case, mainly performance in whatever games you'll play in the useful life of the card, but also power and noise) is much harder.
Rather, my main shot was at Nvidia's efforts at manipulating reviews. I'm not sure what Tech Report did that made them mad. In the case of Hard OCP, it was probably publicly exposing the Nvidia Partner Program, and then later seriously investigating why so many of the early GeForce RTX 2080 Tis died so quickly.
That's nothing new, of course. Several years ago, one site (I forget which one) rated a GeForce GTX 590 as an "epic fail" because the card died in the review--one of several GTX 590s that didn't survive the review process on a variety of sites. The site changed the conclusion under pressure from Nvidia. Threats to lose future review samples and the page views that they bring does constrain what reviewers are willing to say on at least some sites.
Typically, I wouldn't reply in that way. You caught me at a time when I suppose I was feeling particularly touchy; end of a long day kind of thing. But as strange as it might sound, I don't particularly consider you a random person since you're in the comments in so many articles. For the most part, you're seem like a good guy who knows his stuff and conducts himself in a respectful manner. That's why your comment struck me like it did. My goal here, despite my admitted touchiness, was to help you and everyone else understand the whys and hows of how things work around here.
There's two implications that repeatedly come up on this site (and are common on tech review sites in general). The first is that I'm bought and paid for and the second is that I'm driven by fear that writing a bad review will burn a bridge. The first is just laughable. No one has ever offered me money for a review and for the foreseeable future, I don't need any upgrades period. I will not be using this card in my PC.
The second has more merit because it's rooted in facts we all know. If you go too hard on a company, they're likely to not play ball in the future. Like I mentioned in the first post, I advise my writers to be honest and call out the bad with the good. I want objectivity and to see both because it's the rare product that doesn't have some success in its design. There is no sense in intentionally burning a bridge just so someone can get the emotional rush. By being objective and looking at all parts of a product, you temper negativity, yes, but also present it in more realistic terms, and marketing people are mostly well aware of how a product will review before they ever send it out anyway.
That said, I have never and will never tell someone to sway positive. That's wrong, period. If someone came to me and said "Chris, this is just plain bad" (which happened behind the scenes very recently and lead to a product being pulled from its launch as we troubleshot the issue), my answer is to write their feelings and to do it in a way they could stand behind if they were face to face with that person. That, in my opinion, is an ethical standard any critic should uphold.
If in doing that a company didn't want to work with us, so long (and for the record, that *has* happened, we just don't talk about it for obvious reasons). While I hate to lose a potential partnership, we're a reasonable group and anyone who turned their back because of an honest, measured opinion is someone I don't think is a good fit for us anyway. Hardware is an important third pillar of this site, but let's be real, it's not what's keeping the lights on at MMORPG like it is for other sites.
Plus, there's like a million and one keyboards that we could review ;-)
My offer on having you write a review was genuine, by the way. If there's something you think we should change, I would rather have you in a place of influence than on the sidelines.
Nvidia is spending big money to push this 1660, I seeing these reviews "everywhere" , social media. game media and everywhere they can try and regain the 30% mid level market they lost. Nvidia is headed for trash can next. Mark my worlds. The fact that it is a hunk of crap, that reviewers are giddy over, $$$$$$$$$$$
1. You wuill never get this results on your pc. 2. Nvidia is a paid sponsor of reviewers \ 3. They are not future proof 4. Where isnvidias 7nm offering ? 5. Still on 16nm ?
1. Is simply false - you are making stuff up again, there are 100s of reviews that show nearly same results 2. Umm what - which company isn't? 3. Nobody is 4. Irrlevant to 99.9% of gamers 5. See number 4 also they are on 12nm last time I checked which again people only care about performance
Nvidia has over 80% marketshare on PC.... so amd needs to step up the game big time
I am not a fan of Nvidia nor AMD - I buy whichever has a better solution I have zero loyalty to either company
1. facebook , game websites, reviewer sites all sayinbg "why you should buy the 1660" Is a fact. I unliked several facebook feed like "TWiT" telling me I should buy this card.
2. Exactly , thank you for that "fact"
3. I've been using the AMD card for 8 years now, and still don't need to upgrade / I call that future proof. When I upgrade i is out of technology changes, not because the card sucks. = fact
4. Die size and waffers are huge impact on gaming for over all performance in TDP and energy sufficiency . = fact
5. 12 nm = behind the competition by 2-3 years fact.
6. The price point for this card is above $250 - $319 USD, which gives the same performance as AMD's 150-180 dollar mid range cards,= fact.
you're wrong on Market shares as well. AMD gained significantly in 2018, They gained on many different markets including server notebook and portable . This 80% market share you pulled out of your butt, is fallacy . vd@ has lost so much market in 2018, that they are pushing a cheap card like the 1660 as some kind of halo for mid level gamers . Ever since Dr. Su took control of the AMD, it has done nothing but gains for the last 5 years.
vd@ will be bought by samsung or intel by 2020.
4. GTX 1660's nearest AMD competitors RX 590 and RX 580 use 45% and 54% more power then GTX 1660. The only 7nm card available - Radeon VII - uses whopping 150% more power then GTX 1660.
GTX 1660 may not be that good card otherwise, but it's way ahead of any AMD card in how energy efficient it is
6. Price of GTX 1660 in Newegg is between 219$ - 249$. Your price point is just wrong or it's from some bizarre country. Also GTX 1660 gives a lot better performance to than RX 570 which you're comparing it to
You facts only tell how you're completely lost your grip on reality.
My offer on having you write a review was genuine, by the way. If there's something you think we should change, I would rather have you in a place of influence than on the sidelines.
One thing that I think a lot of review sites do wrong is how they handle measurements of power, temperature, and noise. Some sites will run one benchmark to measure performance and a different one to measure power. Hardware vendors know which benchmarks are commonly used for which purpose, and will sometimes have driver detect certain executables (or otherwise detect the particular benchmark) and clock their hardware artificially higher if they think it's a performance benchmark and lower if it's a power, temperature, or noise benchmark.
The solution to that is to benchmark power and temperature in exactly the same benchmark as is used to measure performance. Ideally, you do measure and record everything in exactly the same run, so as to get lots of power measurements with minimal extra work. If that's impractical, then at least make it in different runs of exactly the same benchmark. That way, if a vendor tries to cheat by clocking extra high when it sees a canned benchmark running, you'll ding them for extra high temperatures or power consumption, even if you didn't know that they were cheating.
That's not applicable to everything, of course. But it certainly applies to GPUs, and to a lesser extent, CPUs.
Another thing that I'd like to see is comparison reviews. If you review six keyboards and all of them say in isolation that it's a nice keyboard, that doesn't give that useful of information. In a sense, if only reviewing one product in a category, it's not really possible to make the review that useful. But if you've reviewed six keyboards, you can write an article comparing them. This one has this particular feature that that one doesn't. This one has more key travel depth than that one. Or firmer keys. Or whatever.
Peripherals are largely a matter of opinion as to what's comfortable to you, at least if they work right. (For some weird reason, I've been having trouble with mice not working right lately. I've bought four mice recently, only one of which really works.) And as with game reviews, it's often good if a peripheral review tells some people that it looks interesting and others that it's definitely not what they want.
GameByNightHardware and Technology EditorMMORPG.COM Staff, MemberRarePosts: 811
My offer on having you write a review was genuine, by the way. If there's something you think we should change, I would rather have you in a place of influence than on the sidelines.
One thing that I think a lot of review sites do wrong is how they handle measurements of power, temperature, and noise. Some sites will run one benchmark to measure performance and a different one to measure power. Hardware vendors know which benchmarks are commonly used for which purpose, and will sometimes have driver detect certain executables (or otherwise detect the particular benchmark) and clock their hardware artificially higher if they think it's a performance benchmark and lower if it's a power, temperature, or noise benchmark.
The solution to that is to benchmark power and temperature in exactly the same benchmark as is used to measure performance. Ideally, you do measure and record everything in exactly the same run, so as to get lots of power measurements with minimal extra work. If that's impractical, then at least make it in different runs of exactly the same benchmark. That way, if a vendor tries to cheat by clocking extra high when it sees a canned benchmark running, you'll ding them for extra high temperatures or power consumption, even if you didn't know that they were cheating.
That's not applicable to everything, of course. But it certainly applies to GPUs, and to a lesser extent, CPUs.
Another thing that I'd like to see is comparison reviews. If you review six keyboards and all of them say in isolation that it's a nice keyboard, that doesn't give that useful of information. In a sense, if only reviewing one product in a category, it's not really possible to make the review that useful. But if you've reviewed six keyboards, you can write an article comparing them. This one has this particular feature that that one doesn't. This one has more key travel depth than that one. Or firmer keys. Or whatever.
Peripherals are largely a matter of opinion as to what's comfortable to you, at least if they work right. (For some weird reason, I've been having trouble with mice not working right lately. I've bought four mice recently, only one of which really works.) And as with game reviews, it's often good if a peripheral review tells some people that it looks interesting and others that it's definitely not what they want.
Thank you for this insight, Quiz. I will take it to heart.
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Computers are tools that can play games.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
They tried one it was called the Steam Machine and it flopped.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
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You should look into upgrading to xeon. Check if your motherboard supports any decent xeon that's cheap. A lot of xeon processors sell for next to nothing and have ridiculous performance, especially if your mobo allows overclocking... some $5-$20 xeons that are 4 cores 8 threads(or even 6 cores 12 threads for same or slightly higher prices) can overclock to 3.5-4.4 ghz quite easily. That's just ridiculous for the price.
Alternatively look up some workstations. They go dirt cheap nowadays. Find a decent one with a good 3rd/4th gen CPU slap an rx 570 and you are good to go, though I won't lie it won't look good visually since workstations are ugly and some might not be able to fit a decent GPU without cutting a part of them :P
I won't comment on whether Nvidia pays for reviews, however it's a fact that Nvidia cards are better than AMD when it comes to gaming and there's nothing wrong with that. That's also why AMD released cheaper GPU's that are getting even cheaper with better deals(free games) that said they are still inferior, BUT depending on what you play the rx 580 for example with the free games is a better deal than the 1660 even if it comes at the same price.
I've read that the new Navi GPU's will focus on gaming, so essentially they will be about as strong as the old RX 580/590 when it comes to computing which is great. With that in mind we should expect quite decent cards(possibly equal if not even slightly better) than Nvidia at the same or lower prices.
Also when it comes to future proof... it depends on what you play. You can get 200+ fps on high settings in LoL on a GTX 760 and will continue to have that performance for years to come... so future proof is relative to be honest when it comes to gaming.
Currently you can build 6-10 core(12-20threads) xeon PC that will obliterate most games at high/ultra settings at 1080p and the whole system excluding the GPU will probably cost you less than just a higher end modern CPU.
There's two implications that repeatedly come up on this site (and are common on tech review sites in general). The first is that I'm bought and paid for and the second is that I'm driven by fear that writing a bad review will burn a bridge. The first is just laughable. No one has ever offered me money for a review and for the foreseeable future, I don't need any upgrades period. I will not be using this card in my PC.
The second has more merit because it's rooted in facts we all know. If you go too hard on a company, they're likely to not play ball in the future. Like I mentioned in the first post, I advise my writers to be honest and call out the bad with the good. I want objectivity and to see both because it's the rare product that doesn't have some success in its design. There is no sense in intentionally burning a bridge just so someone can get the emotional rush. By being objective and looking at all parts of a product, you temper negativity, yes, but also present it in more realistic terms, and marketing people are mostly well aware of how a product will review before they ever send it out anyway.
That said, I have never and will never tell someone to sway positive. That's wrong, period. If someone came to me and said "Chris, this is just plain bad" (which happened behind the scenes very recently and lead to a product being pulled from its launch as we troubleshot the issue), my answer is to write their feelings and to do it in a way they could stand behind if they were face to face with that person. That, in my opinion, is an ethical standard any critic should uphold.
If in doing that a company didn't want to work with us, so long (and for the record, that *has* happened, we just don't talk about it for obvious reasons). While I hate to lose a potential partnership, we're a reasonable group and anyone who turned their back because of an honest, measured opinion is someone I don't think is a good fit for us anyway. Hardware is an important third pillar of this site, but let's be real, it's not what's keeping the lights on at MMORPG like it is for other sites.
Plus, there's like a million and one keyboards that we could review ;-)
My offer on having you write a review was genuine, by the way. If there's something you think we should change, I would rather have you in a place of influence than on the sidelines.
GTX 1660 may not be that good card otherwise, but it's way ahead of any AMD card in how energy efficient it is
6. Price of GTX 1660 in Newegg is between 219$ - 249$. Your price point is just wrong or it's from some bizarre country. Also GTX 1660 gives a lot better performance to than RX 570 which you're comparing it to
You facts only tell how you're completely lost your grip on reality.
The solution to that is to benchmark power and temperature in exactly the same benchmark as is used to measure performance. Ideally, you do measure and record everything in exactly the same run, so as to get lots of power measurements with minimal extra work. If that's impractical, then at least make it in different runs of exactly the same benchmark. That way, if a vendor tries to cheat by clocking extra high when it sees a canned benchmark running, you'll ding them for extra high temperatures or power consumption, even if you didn't know that they were cheating.
That's not applicable to everything, of course. But it certainly applies to GPUs, and to a lesser extent, CPUs.
Another thing that I'd like to see is comparison reviews. If you review six keyboards and all of them say in isolation that it's a nice keyboard, that doesn't give that useful of information. In a sense, if only reviewing one product in a category, it's not really possible to make the review that useful. But if you've reviewed six keyboards, you can write an article comparing them. This one has this particular feature that that one doesn't. This one has more key travel depth than that one. Or firmer keys. Or whatever.
Peripherals are largely a matter of opinion as to what's comfortable to you, at least if they work right. (For some weird reason, I've been having trouble with mice not working right lately. I've bought four mice recently, only one of which really works.) And as with game reviews, it's often good if a peripheral review tells some people that it looks interesting and others that it's definitely not what they want.
Thank you for this insight, Quiz. I will take it to heart.