Funny, since the kickstarter this studio always went above and beyond to showcase progress in videos and streams.
In 2019 they have reverted if you will to what other indies often do, publishing lots of Dev journals, trailers, concept art etc. but showing little in the way of progress in the actual game itself.
This kinda reminds me of building a house.
When you start off, there is all this buzz of activity. You lay the foundation a people around can see this massive foundation being set into the ground, you take pictures and are proud of this mess as it were. Then the exterior walls go up, more pictures, more cheers of progress. The homeowner is all impressed with the work and feels like this is going great. Roof goes the same way, then of course all the exterior finishes get done, and the Homeowner is beyond happy about all that is unfolding, and damn near feels ready to move in.
Yah.. up till then, the progress was these massive steps.. but they were just visible steps, they were the things that were very easy to see, but there was and is a lot going on in the background, that we need to get finished off before we move too far along.
So, then we get down to the electrical, plumbing, sewer, gas, all the amenities that we have come to know and love, that make a house more than just a pretty wooden box, which takes a lot of time, but there is not a lot to take pictures of, seeing wires in a wall is not something people write home about, so there is no longer this feeling "Holy Crap Progress!" at least not anything they can see, nothing like the mainframe of the house.
So, the homeowner is all like "Why is this taking so long" and this happens every house, every time, unless the homeowner works in the field professionally.
Then we get into the interior finishes, and the like.. and we have gotten to this 'Barren House" phase.. where you have most of the interior stuff done, but not all the fixtures, no one's staged it.. it's just this open rooms primed white. We get the final touches in, painters, flooring, built in fixtures like showers, sinks, cabinets, etc, and.. it still looks kinda barren, but as far as us builders go, the house is done. The door works, the keys work for the door, You turn on a switch and the lights turn on, the outlets work, the water works, everything is up and running as it should, at this point, the house is done. We have a beer and happy with out work, and the Homeowner inspects it and goes "Eh.. it's Ok"
Yah, I get it, it's an empty house, similar, even if not the same, to many of the other houses you have been in, we get that. We understand.
Then someone comes in and stages the place by putting in like a sofa and a plant in a room or some shit like that, and the Homeowners are like "OMG it feels like a home now".... and after all the work you had to do, all the details, all the shit that went on behind the scenes to get this done right, and they are gushing over a fucking sofa!
Yah.. just the way it goes.
Anyway, I get the vibe that making a MMO kinda feels the same, at some point you are doing the work that gets everything working, where after the big box is made, you need to make all the internal stuff work, a lot is being done, but nothing is really anything that is worth talking about to someone that does not work in the industry, so you end up show them a picture of what their new sofa might look like, and hope they shut up for a while, because, you just know, that after you get all the hard stuff done, that is what they are going to pay the most attention to anyway.
yep. but they better be darn sure all that misunderstood boring background stuff gets built right, because the homeowner will flip their sh** if they turn on the switch in the living room, and the light in the bedroom comes on instead.
Yah.. home owners be like "Why can't you use the plumbing line for conduit, it's all PVC!"
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
If i am a creative designer and let's say i believe people and this guy is a real passionate gamer just like us,well then i am going to give you all my brilliant ideas.I am going to tell you WHY this armor design is so amazing,why i came up with the idea,how it will be used in the field.
So this tells me the lack of shared information is because this is simply a piece of armor,a look and not much thought put into it.yes i can read between the lines,it sounds like some sort of anti magic armor but that is all we get ,just assumption.
Why send this out for us to see and not give us anything,what is the point,we have all seen armor before in rpg's.
The guy in Age of Conan who designed the Necromancer in that game did just that. He was so excited about making the Necro that he posted all about it in the regular forums which is probably why that Necro is one of the best I've ever seen. You could tell he was really passionate about what he had created.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Funny, since the kickstarter this studio always went above and beyond to showcase progress in videos and streams.
In 2019 they have reverted if you will to what other indies often do, publishing lots of Dev journals, trailers, concept art etc. but showing little in the way of progress in the actual game itself.
This kinda reminds me of building a house.
When you start off, there is all this buzz of activity. You lay the foundation a people around can see this massive foundation being set into the ground, you take pictures and are proud of this mess as it were. Then the exterior walls go up, more pictures, more cheers of progress. The homeowner is all impressed with the work and feels like this is going great. Roof goes the same way, then of course all the exterior finishes get done, and the Homeowner is beyond happy about all that is unfolding, and damn near feels ready to move in.
Yah.. up till then, the progress was these massive steps.. but they were just visible steps, they were the things that were very easy to see, but there was and is a lot going on in the background, that we need to get finished off before we move too far along.
So, then we get down to the electrical, plumbing, sewer, gas, all the amenities that we have come to know and love, that make a house more than just a pretty wooden box, which takes a lot of time, but there is not a lot to take pictures of, seeing wires in a wall is not something people write home about, so there is no longer this feeling "Holy Crap Progress!" at least not anything they can see, nothing like the mainframe of the house.
So, the homeowner is all like "Why is this taking so long" and this happens every house, every time, unless the homeowner works in the field professionally.
Then we get into the interior finishes, and the like.. and we have gotten to this 'Barren House" phase.. where you have most of the interior stuff done, but not all the fixtures, no one's staged it.. it's just this open rooms primed white. We get the final touches in, painters, flooring, built in fixtures like showers, sinks, cabinets, etc, and.. it still looks kinda barren, but as far as us builders go, the house is done. The door works, the keys work for the door, You turn on a switch and the lights turn on, the outlets work, the water works, everything is up and running as it should, at this point, the house is done. We have a beer and happy with out work, and the Homeowner inspects it and goes "Eh.. it's Ok"
Yah, I get it, it's an empty house, similar, even if not the same, to many of the other houses you have been in, we get that. We understand.
Then someone comes in and stages the place by putting in like a sofa and a plant in a room or some shit like that, and the Homeowners are like "OMG it feels like a home now".... and after all the work you had to do, all the details, all the shit that went on behind the scenes to get this done right, and they are gushing over a fucking sofa!
Yah.. just the way it goes.
Anyway, I get the vibe that making a MMO kinda feels the same, at some point you are doing the work that gets everything working, where after the big box is made, you need to make all the internal stuff work, a lot is being done, but nothing is really anything that is worth talking about to someone that does not work in the industry, so you end up show them a picture of what their new sofa might look like, and hope they shut up for a while, because, you just know, that after you get all the hard stuff done, that is what they are going to pay the most attention to anyway.
yep. but they better be darn sure all that misunderstood boring background stuff gets built right, because the homeowner will flip their sh** if they turn on the switch in the living room, and the light in the bedroom comes on instead.
Yah.. home owners be like "Why can't you use the plumbing line for conduit, it's all PVC!"
When I replaced my first AC unit on my house I found out the thermostat wire had been routed through the air handler PVC drain line, on the far side house away of the heat pump, and then brought around the back side of the house.
Well explained why the drain line was regularly getting clogged and backing up the drain pan into the center of my closet.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
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Something is better than nothing, gamers these days always think something is the absolute worst or godlike, there's no in between
Recall the projected release was the end of 2019, showing off armor skins in mid April isn't exactly confidence inspiring.
Perfect example of what I just said.
Devs rush a game out before it's ready riddled with bugs, lack of content and unoptimized = players unhappy
Devs delay a game from stated/expected schedule for the sake of polish, content and optimization = players unhappy and not confident.
Smh, there's NO WINNING. There are grey areas
Devs publish unrealistic dates during crowd funding and then miss them by factors 3 or 4 times over, sometimes radically changing the vision.
Yeah, you are right, for the consumer there is no winning.
SMH and laughing.
Wow these must be the 1st devs in history to do this. Unrealistic? Sure. But we're talking about showing transparent development vs showing nothing at all.
And AGAIN you only see it as black and white. Devs pushed product back to further work on it, how dare they?!?
Something is better than nothing, gamers these days always think something is the absolute worst or godlike, there's no in between
Recall the projected release was the end of 2019, showing off armor skins in mid April isn't exactly confidence inspiring.
Perfect example of what I just said.
Devs rush a game out before it's ready riddled with bugs, lack of content and unoptimized = players unhappy
Devs delay a game from stated/expected schedule for the sake of polish, content and optimization = players unhappy and not confident.
Smh, there's NO WINNING. There are grey areas
Devs publish unrealistic dates during crowd funding and then miss them by factors 3 or 4 times over, sometimes radically changing the vision.
Yeah, you are right, for the consumer there is no winning.
SMH and laughing.
Wow these must be the 1st devs in history to do this. Unrealistic? Sure. But we're talking about showing transparent development vs showing nothing at all.
And AGAIN you only see it as black and white. Devs pushed product back to further work on it, how dare they?!?
smh lol
That another team failed is no excuse for this team's failure to succeed.
But continue to make excuses, lets hope it won't turn out like SC or CU, 6 years running and no release date in sight.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I was trying to figure this bunch out then i noticed something....MY.com. So i assume they got My.com on board with some nice PR/marketing tactics,got enough money to get this going. So then a year or two goes by and it hasn't been selling much as an early access game.So now they are panicking,maybe even MY.com is pushing hard for something to happen but they can't possibly try and release the game as finished.
So they aim at mmorpg.com,maybe partner up with some linked money and hope to get some more customers.
IDK if this is ever going to work so where are they going to get the money to finish the game?Maybe Smedley has a money tree growing in his backyard,maybe MY.com invests more and holds the team hostage with little profits to be made after MY.com takes their share. I feel like so many recent fails,they are stuck in the mud as Conor McGregor would say but there is no Conor to clean up the division.
So if you were in their boots what would you do,imo unless the owner dude puts up his own money this is dead Salmon floating in polluted waters.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
and this is why I wish they wouldn't have done the BR....Now every time they have news there will be confusion as to whether it is for the pre pre alpha MMO or for the BR mode.
Something is better than nothing, gamers these days always think something is the absolute worst or godlike, there's no in between
Recall the projected release was the end of 2019, showing off armor skins in mid April isn't exactly confidence inspiring.
Perfect example of what I just said.
Devs rush a game out before it's ready riddled with bugs, lack of content and unoptimized = players unhappy
Devs delay a game from stated/expected schedule for the sake of polish, content and optimization = players unhappy and not confident.
Smh, there's NO WINNING. There are grey areas
Devs publish unrealistic dates during crowd funding and then miss them by factors 3 or 4 times over, sometimes radically changing the vision.
Yeah, you are right, for the consumer there is no winning.
SMH and laughing.
Wow these must be the 1st devs in history to do this. Unrealistic? Sure. But we're talking about showing transparent development vs showing nothing at all.
And AGAIN you only see it as black and white. Devs pushed product back to further work on it, how dare they?!?
smh lol
You haven't been paying attention... like at all. This was a development team that approached backers with the assurance that they had the funds, veteran talent, and clear vision of the game that they wanted to make. The funds of the backers were indicated as "gauging interest." They had plenty of opportunity to give reasonable timelines. Instead they chose to give headscratchingly immediate goals, showed off some development, went dark and came back with a "side project." To this day I have yet to hear an earnest admission of how unprepared they truly were. If this were a AAA studio, your idea might sit with me. They arent. They asked for funds from consumers while painting completely unnecessary fantasies about their development process. The least they can accept is criticism from consumers.
The actual "problem" they have created is not just "oops our game is late." I believe they (and SC to some extent) have royally soured MMO fans on the idea of backing large scale MMOs. Now the next interesting projecting that might legitimately have their act together will have a harder time getting backers due to the behavior of Intrepid.
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ah no, it's not SC....
but they act like
The guy in Age of Conan who designed the Necromancer in that game did just that. He was so excited about making the Necro that he posted all about it in the regular forums which is probably why that Necro is one of the best I've ever seen. You could tell he was really passionate about what he had created.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Well explained why the drain line was regularly getting clogged and backing up the drain pan into the center of my closet.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Perfect example of what I just said.
Devs rush a game out before it's ready riddled with bugs, lack of content and unoptimized = players unhappy
Devs delay a game from stated/expected schedule for the sake of polish, content and optimization = players unhappy and not confident.
Smh, there's NO WINNING. There are grey areas
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Yeah, you are right, for the consumer there is no winning.
SMH and laughing.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And AGAIN you only see it as black and white.
Devs pushed product back to further work on it, how dare they?!?
smh lol
But continue to make excuses, lets hope it won't turn out like SC or CU, 6 years running and no release date in sight.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So i assume they got My.com on board with some nice PR/marketing tactics,got enough money to get this going.
So then a year or two goes by and it hasn't been selling much as an early access game.So now they are panicking,maybe even MY.com is pushing hard for something to happen but they can't possibly try and release the game as finished.
So they aim at mmorpg.com,maybe partner up with some linked money and hope to get some more customers.
IDK if this is ever going to work so where are they going to get the money to finish the game?Maybe Smedley has a money tree growing in his backyard,maybe MY.com invests more and holds the team hostage with little profits to be made after MY.com takes their share.
I feel like so many recent fails,they are stuck in the mud as Conor McGregor would say but there is no Conor to clean up the division.
So if you were in their boots what would you do,imo unless the owner dude puts up his own money this is dead Salmon floating in polluted waters.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.