It's just a test server so wait for the real thing. This one is for testing plus it has sentinels a class I've never seen and MM had kinetic since when ?
I think they said this is based off the private server which had updates the officail live server never had which included some new content and tweaks or something like that.
Just got on discord.
@everyone UPDATE 4/20/2019 1:40 PM CST The limiters the coders tried to put in place were not working, this means there is currently no population limit to the server. Current Server Stats: 600+ active connections 400+ were trying to connect while the server was still up As of right now the server is offline and is being moved to a new cluster, this means it will be offline until we get the new cluster up and running. The talk around the water cooler is that this new cluster should be better optimized than the previous one. So more of you should be able to get once it is up, this should also provide a more stable experience for those who do get in. At this time we ask that you all simply standby and wait for any more updates, join voice, talk in server channels, keep the community alive! Thank you for attending my TED talk.
NCSoft had all these updates they didn't put out and they shut all the servers down. Wow! That is quite staggering.
Yes I think so, dunno if the people running the private servers tweaked some stuff on their own too though the last few years.
Apparently issue 24 never went live but was in beta right before they shut down and this leak is updated to this i24 update.
Law and taxes are intentionally complex just so people with a lot of money can hire an army of lawyers to get them out of almost anything.
But the little guy can sometimes find loopholes as well. There will be Russian servers up in a matter of weeks. Just as companies put their IPs in other countries to avoid taxes, a game code in Russia or China can't be touched by western law.
Given that an old game typically isn't as twitch sensitive as modern ones, lag shouldn't be much of an issue.
The neo-legalists continually bring up 'against the law'. While useful to know, it's not the be all to end all. I certainly lost most of my respect for 'the law', after working for 10 years helping to produce it. Big Money bends the law in the direction it wants, by essentially bribing and rigging the system.
And in this case NCSoft ignored the strategy of Sun Tzu: Always give them a way out. Since NCSoft quashed every attempt to give CoH a lifeline, people are now taking the game into their own hands. If NCSoft doesn't behave stupidly, they may even have a chance of getting my money again.
I'm going to ask around locally to see if someone has the chops to set this up. Pretty sure I can raise the money for hardware/software.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Law and taxes are intentionally complex just so people with a lot of money can hire an army of lawyers to get them out of almost anything.
But the little guy can sometimes find loopholes as well. There will be Russian servers up in a matter of weeks. Just as companies put their IPs in other countries to avoid taxes, a game code in Russia or China can't be touched by western law.
Given that an old game typically isn't as twitch sensitive as modern ones, lag shouldn't be much of an issue.
Russia and China aren't quite the havens you believe them to be, one just has to "work" with the right people.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Its so weird to see so many cheering for the "bad guys."
Perhaps playing video games is harmful after all.
I support the protection of property for the sole purpose of supporting future endeavors, both inspirational and creative. This includes what I think was the intended message you try to post with this versus what I initially perceived due to articulation and feel compelled to make a retort on. It also includes existing laws on criticism and education, as well as creativity on the internet. To contrast, when it comes to vaporware, I've been a proponent of historical preservation. The details of such can be varied, but ultimately they boil down to a person not claiming or profiting from it and the owner must also have no further revenue from the game and franchise or intent to work on them. The museum that tries to do this on the up and up is a great thing to see. For all other situations, there are ways not dissimilar to how companies avoid taxes for this to be done without incurring legal wrath without under-the-table dealings with sovereign powers that have made it illegal to talk about corporate and political corruption.
Besides that, I unilaterally reject these two sentences for poor phrasing. It is almost appalling that anyone would agree to them as they stand, unless they understood the potential intention.
As an aside: It is also interesting how different viewpoints are on there than on this post and those that pressed that agree button: "A win for the good guys!" But back to the point:
Implying that one who does not follow the law is a "bad guy" is morally reprehensible on many levels. It is also galling that the unnecessary sentence, "maybe video games are harmful after all" is put in there when this is isn't an issue exclusive to the video game industry and certain not for people who just play it as entertainment. The whole of the entertainment industry must be drawn and quartered, from comic books to manga / anime to movies to television to youtube... so on and so forth.
This very discussion could even be related to VHS and recording shows without permission. Then being able to replay it as many times as you want without commercials or revenue to the creators, to friends and family and anyone who comes to your house. The shows were displayed on their channels or paid to be and no physical product was bought. In fact, it is less of an issue here as NCSoft doesn't profit from it anymore and those shows still relied on airing re-runs with commercials on them. Some have "In-Home" use classifications for personal use, and then there are cases where you are / were expressly prohibited from taping with express permission from the channel and whatever party was making the content.
To speak of laws and those who do not follow them being bad guys, I'd point you to a few famous examples among many. As well as the side note that a lot of laws are made due to lobbyist influence and corrupt politicians. These are written with full knowledge that your articulation may not be your entire thought on the matter, but answered as if they were.
The Jim Crow laws on segregation and it being law that you had to give up your seat to a white person. Would I be a bad guy if I supported Rosa Parks and Claudette Colvin? During the time, some people might find me a horrible person if I did. But morally so, am I a bad person?
Medical doctors trying to find the medical benefits of marijuana when it was entirely illegal. Lobbyist paying off politicians to make it illegal. The same companies funding programs such as "DARE" to frequently send mascots and police to class rooms to say that cannabis is evil and has no environmental benefits and will lead you down a dark path. When they very well knew that the use of such could be applied to medical science and help the environment, they spun it into good PR to say that it was for your childrens' future just as they were stripping away the natural resources of future generations. Medical uses for Marijuana were well known even in the 1830s and were widely used / purchases even in the early 1900s. They can be used in dozens of commercial products as well, as shown in the ccguide.org link below.
The European Union, some say, being formed just for the benefit of a select few hidden under the guise of unity and globalism. With many privileged individuals allegedly and secretly being exempt from their own laws. Passing such things as Article 13. The same goes with the American Government and the disbursement of Net Neutrality. Going against the will of the people, as tens of millions voiced concerns over such to the point where the chairman made questionable videos making fun of the American people, saying similar things as to even if all Americans didn't want it, he is going to do it.* Along with attempt to punish any who try to save it. Then foreign powers issuing laws where it is Illegal to even talk about corporate or political corruption.
*The latter of the sentence is more of a clear
intent of going against the will of the people, and not the millions
that voiced concerns that prompted such a response.
This is not even going into how easy it easy to bully and illegally take down criticism just because a private citizen doesn't have the money to press charges -- but that's a discussion for a different time.
Youtube: Videos posted below (This are very well made and funny, to boot)
Internet Comment Etiquette: "Net Neutrality" Internet Comment Etiquette: Article 13
To say nothing of intentionally complex tax laws, as I alluded in a previous post. Such things being intentional so that those with a lot of money can hire lawyers just to get them out of hot water and legally conduct what some may say is shady business. Once again under the guise of the absurd notion of Globalism, which has a nice definition to it, but is far from the truth since a lot view it as only helping the few and not the many. Anything with a beautiful definition is just ripe for being corrupted. It's simply the way of the world at the moment. Both public and private citizens and companies will get away with things if they're able. If fact, in business you will be taught that it is a company's legal right and obligation to try and pay as less as possible and to make as much as possible. Using any loophole available. Many are calling for a change; part of it is likely due to when private citizens find loopholes, companies are hypocritically calling foul. In addition to this right starting to infringe on consumer and employee rights and capabilities. Though as a whole, I am only an onlooker in this and simply recognize that such exists.
Addendum: Personal post after this post added as an aside.
In addition to my lengthy last post, I'd like to make a more human one rather than going on about or mentioning laws and this and that with links.
When it comes down to it, I'm human and I support what make someone
happy so long as it doesn't hurt others. The notion that someone who
says that you aren't allowed to enjoy something that you enjoy anymore
actually being the good guy because they say so signifies a few red flags for
me. If they don't care anymore -- about their product, about their
fans, and so on...
Then I'm at a loss as to what is good and bad in the
world.
But I suppose that's a "this world isn't perfect" type of thing.
When it comes down to it, I'm human and I support what make someone
happy so long as it doesn't hurt others. The notion that someone who
says that you aren't allowed to enjoy something that you enjoy anymore
actually being the good guy because they say so signifies a few red flags for
me. If they don't care anymore -- about their product, about their
fans, and so on...
The notion that someone can steal and use something I own just because it makes them happy to do so is more disturbing, at least to me.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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In addition to my lengthy last post, I'd like to make a more human one rather than going on about or mentioning laws and this and that with links.
When it comes down to it, I'm human and I support what make someone
happy so long as it doesn't hurt others. The notion that someone who
says that you aren't allowed to enjoy something that you enjoy anymore
actually being the good guy because they say so signifies a few red flags for
me. If they don't care anymore -- about their product, about their
fans, and so on...
Then I'm at a loss as to what is good and bad in the
world.
But I suppose that's a "this world isn't perfect" type of thing.
Pretty much all boils down to, if i want to i can, for people like you i guess.
Never mind to the fact that the people/company that actually owns the code/product/property has the sole right to say when and if ANYONE can take, and or use, their property, intellectual or otherwise.
All the boohoo, poor am i, crap is just people trying to justify stealing/taking/using stuff that does not, and never did, belong to them.
At least be honest with yourselves if no one else....would have more respect for people that were...
When it comes down to it, I'm human and I support what make someone
happy so long as it doesn't hurt others. The notion that someone who
says that you aren't allowed to enjoy something that you enjoy anymore
actually being the good guy because they say so signifies a few red flags for
me. If they don't care anymore -- about their product, about their
fans, and so on...
The notion that someone can steal and use something I own just because it makes them happy to do so is more disturbing, at least to me.
actually that happens. If someone owns a building in a city and makes no use of it or maintains it, then the city can take away ownership of that building or force them to do something with it. But if the owner does not do anything at all with owning that building, then they aren't viable to own it.
Though that may depend on country/state/city ordinates than world wide. But point stands, many cities aren't gonna want someone owning an empty building if it was designed to be a store or restaurant (or whatever it happens to be for) and letting it go to waste.
also to expand on that.
The government (in the US) can take land from anyone that owns that land, if they want to have that land (imminent domain I think its called)
So welcome to the real world, where the government (at least in the US) can take things that are owned by someone else or the city can take away rights to own a building if it isn't being used and sits empty for too long
Of course, this is a game IP and not land or a building. But point stands, anyone can own anything and it can be taken away from them. Own a car? Can be taken away. Own a house? Can be taken away. Own land? Can be and has been taken away.
Just because someone owns something doesn't mean much actually. I'd hate to be a landowner and lose so much of my land being taken over by the government, legally I suppose, and get pennies back on it from what its actually worth.
Also to add post-edit
In Australia, someone can own a house, but if someone moves in and lives there for 10 years and the person who owns the house does nothing with it or reports the person or does anything at all for 10 years, the person who (for free) moved in can actually legally own that house and the previous owner can do nothing about it.
So even if you own something it can be taken away (whether its a house, a building left empty for too long if its meant to be a store or restaurant or whatever, owning land that the government can take away or even your vehicle can be taken away for countless reasons)
So, did the government take away NCSofts right to own and control their IP?
When making analogies its better to stick comparable examples, emminent domain of physical property vs game IPs doesn't work so well.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
2.) Once you sign into your forum account proceed to the account creation portion of the website using the following link.
https://score.savecoh.com/account/
"
Seems like there a problem with creating a game account, it keeps giving an error with "ERROR: Could not connect to the Account Server Gateway. Try again in a few minutes."
Why hello you handsome devil...since everyone is gone off the deep end far far off topic lets quote ourselves to hopefully get this back on topic which is the code was leaked for COH and that a "new" COH server is opening to the public! If people want to talk about copyright bla bla bla maybe they can start a thread just about that!
It's just a test server so wait for the real thing. This one is for testing plus it has sentinels a class I've never seen and MM had kinetic since when ?
I think they said this is based off the private server which had updates the officail live server never had which included some new content and tweaks or something like that.
Just got on discord.
@everyone UPDATE 4/20/2019 1:40 PM CST The limiters the coders tried to put in place were not working, this means there is currently no population limit to the server. Current Server Stats: 600+ active connections 400+ were trying to connect while the server was still up As of right now the server is offline and is being moved to a new cluster, this means it will be offline until we get the new cluster up and running. The talk around the water cooler is that this new cluster should be better optimized than the previous one. So more of you should be able to get once it is up, this should also provide a more stable experience for those who do get in. At this time we ask that you all simply standby and wait for any more updates, join voice, talk in server channels, keep the community alive! Thank you for attending my TED talk.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
When it comes down to it, I'm human and I support what make someone
happy so long as it doesn't hurt others. The notion that someone who
says that you aren't allowed to enjoy something that you enjoy anymore
actually being the good guy because they say so signifies a few red flags for
me. If they don't care anymore -- about their product, about their
fans, and so on...
The notion that someone can steal and use something I own just because it makes them happy to do so is more disturbing, at least to me.
actually that happens. If someone owns a building in a city and makes no use of it or maintains it, then the city can take away ownership of that building or force them to do something with it. But if the owner does not do anything at all with owning that building, then they aren't viable to own it.
Though that may depend on country/state/city ordinates than world wide. But point stands, many cities aren't gonna want someone owning an empty building if it was designed to be a store or restaurant (or whatever it happens to be for) and letting it go to waste.
also to expand on that.
The government (in the US) can take land from anyone that owns that land, if they want to have that land (imminent domain I think its called)
So welcome to the real world, where the government (at least in the US) can take things that are owned by someone else or the city can take away rights to own a building if it isn't being used and sits empty for too long
Of course, this is a game IP and not land or a building. But point stands, anyone can own anything and it can be taken away from them. Own a car? Can be taken away. Own a house? Can be taken away. Own land? Can be and has been taken away.
Just because someone owns something doesn't mean much actually. I'd hate to be a landowner and lose so much of my land being taken over by the government, legally I suppose, and get pennies back on it from what its actually worth.
Also to add post-edit
In Australia, someone can own a house, but if someone moves in and lives there for 10 years and the person who owns the house does nothing with it or reports the person or does anything at all for 10 years, the person who (for free) moved in can actually legally own that house and the previous owner can do nothing about it.
So even if you own something it can be taken away (whether its a house, a building left empty for too long if its meant to be a store or restaurant or whatever, owning land that the government can take away or even your vehicle can be taken away for countless reasons)
The examples that you are giving are old principles of law that came from common law and equitable principles.
This is infringement that protects businesses and you do not upend this without setting up a precedent and such a precedent will have severe consequences. Your arguments are all moot in this case because this is a game. Try to keep a perspective and not argue for the sake of arguing.
It could all just fizzle and die if people cannot get it running and keep the servers up. It will also take money and the people hosting the servers are not bottomless pits. There was some controversy about asking for donations that someone tried on their behalf and it backfired.
NCSoft could just take a wait and see attitude and wait for things to calm down and then decide. They may not do anything in the immediate future but wait to take down the individuals itself. The don't need to attack the server they just need to take down the individuals and this might be the approach they take.
Let's all get some nostalgia going while we can and meanwhile I hope to play some defender or mastermind when the servers are more stable.
When it comes down to it, I'm human and I support what make someone
happy so long as it doesn't hurt others. The notion that someone who
says that you aren't allowed to enjoy something that you enjoy anymore
actually being the good guy because they say so signifies a few red flags for
me. If they don't care anymore -- about their product, about their
fans, and so on...
The notion that someone can steal and use something I own just because it makes them happy to do so is more disturbing, at least to me.
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Ah yes. Because physical property vs. game IP is an appropriate retort (since we're talking of ourselves on a personal level, I'm applying this to the average ownership within our homes since no further information was elaborated). To say nothing of the digital and permanent state of the internet, especially when thousand of thousands of people are involved. A more appropriate statement would be deciding if property on Second Life -- a hot issue many a year ago -- was actual real estate owned by the people who bought it. Of which it could be argued either way, if the intellectual property belonged to the company, the player or even the government and if taxes could be charged. Then if the player -- or company -- or even the state had the right to deny access. Or if the company suddenly turned it all off due to it just not being profitable anymore and what would happen then.
We would then delve into topics of public domain and the waiving of rights by either selling or default. As well as statements made by the very company. It would be a long and very interesting process. But nonetheless, in my opinion, entirely more useful and thought out than what was offered.
There was also a problem with recording things on television, with home licenses being put into play. That is, the owner of a show that still held ownership, had royalties and profited by having commercials playing, even on re-runs. It was, in essence, digitally distributed and people recorded it without commercials or profits. Still owned and worked on. Yet the law took time to catch up with the technology. Though I went into more detail in a different post.
Though to answer what I view to be an ill-thought out response: If there was clothing that I did not use, or an object I did not use -- including a games console, games or just an excess of money.... I would give it to charity so that someone who enjoys it could have it as opposed to letting it rust.
But hey, I'd like to consider myself a decent human being. If it's in use, then probably not: But we're talking about what's not in use, aren't we? Which leads to the whole decent human being thing. Not that people who don't do this aren't, but you get the point. When it comes to digital stuff, there have been many people who just released things they no longer use or won't profit of for the sake of others. Even Activision Blizzard has done such with Diablo III and scrapping their 2nd expansion.
In essence, someone who would horde something they will never use, when someone else could, is something I find more disturbing in this case. But hey, that's their right.
actually that happens. If someone owns a building in a city and makes no use of it or maintains it, then the city can take away ownership of that building or force them to do something with it. But if the owner does not do anything at all with owning that building, then they aren't viable to own it.
Though that may depend on country/state/city ordinates than world wide. But point stands, many cities aren't gonna want someone owning an empty building if it was designed to be a store or restaurant (or whatever it happens to be for) and letting it go to waste.
While this and the other posts made do counter the weak point made of physical items, it simply shows precedence that unused property may be claimed and redistributed. The laws that govern us still don't know what to do with the beast that is the internet. But it does show that these laws -- and public domain -- may be updated as the world continues to move forward. You should also look out for Squatter laws.
Pretty much all boils down to, if i want to i can, for people like you i guess.
Never mind to the fact that the people/company that actually owns the code/product/property has the sole right to say when and if ANYONE can take, and or use, their property, intellectual or otherwise.
All the boohoo, poor am i, crap is just people trying to justify stealing/taking/using stuff that does not, and never did, belong to them.
At least be honest with yourselves if no one else....would have more respect for people that were...
Wonderful assumption! Totally ignoring almost everything I said in a previous post in that I support laws that protect and promote creativity and inspire hard work. As well as companies being legally encouraged and obligated to work loopholes and to make as much money as possible. Which I noted when I said this was an add on to a previous post. In addition to noting that that was just a personal, human emotion that had no basis of law or thinking about it. Though since you may have a hard time reading my posts (which is understandable given length), I also said something in this post: If I have something I don't use, whether it be a game, console, clothes or even money. I will give it to charity or someone that needs or wants it. I don't expect anyone else to do it. But I would expect a decent human being to do so.
Now I ask you to be honest with yourself: Have you spent one damn hour of your life trying to help a good cause, or give something away to yours to make others happy? I hope the answer is yes, which leads to another question: In recent memory?
Addendum: To add, I have never played on one of these servers. Especially against ones that have live servers. I prefer to support my favorite devs. Same with used games -- never bought one that I remember at the moment. I also mostly skip steam sales and just buy full price with a few exceptions. In addition to having a $15 minimum spent on F2P games I enjoyed, though I prefer B2P/P2P. I've even bought games for others and paid subscriptions for less well off friends.
It could all just fizzle and die if people cannot get it running and keep the servers up. It will also take money and the people hosting the servers are not bottomless pits. There was some controversy about asking for donations that someone tried on their behalf and it backfired.
NCSoft could just take a wait and see attitude and wait for things to calm down and then decide. They may not do anything in the immediate future but wait to take down the individuals itself. The don't need to attack the server they just need to take down the individuals and this might be the approach they take.
Let's all get some nostalgia going while we can and meanwhile I hope to play some defender or mastermind when the servers are more stable.
That or they take the SOE/EA approach (hey even EA of all people don't mind) that allow the EQ1 and UO private servers. UO has a TON of private servers (many more popular than the official servers) and EA has never touched any of them. But its NCsoft, so really its gonna be a wait and see thing
If I recall correctly, the concept of a "private" server wasn't considered when they first released UO. It wasn't reflected in the original agreements. Many popped out and they updated said agreements, saying that servers from then on were subject to legal action. But yes, there are no known confirmations of them forcing a shard down that I know of. It could be said that many are legitimate private servers and not pirate servers, due to their statements and allowance -- which could be seen as negligence. To retract a bit on what I said in a previous post, I seem to recall trying a UO server for a few weeks when I was a young kid and had no money; though I immediately did chores so I could keep my account up to support the game when I learned of the hard work the devs put into it and how hard it was to come by money in the world (thinking at the time $1 was being rich). The pride I had of spending 9 month to get to GM blacksmith and then finding Valorite veins to sell Valorite armor was a great feeling.
With this, it could be said that EA and Activision Blizzard (Morhaime era) both have released content that they wouldn't profit off of for free, or at least allowed for them to be used. Square Enix even promised long ago they would make an offline version of FFXI if it was ever shut down. Though we're learning now that they're just remaking the game. But it could have just been good PR for them to say such.
Understanding something that is beloved by a lot of people and still making sure that no one touches it is a morally reprehensible thing that is within their legal right to do. It's almost sad when people try to relate it to personal items, in a way.
I get the feeling we're just debating virtual Robin Hoods in this thread.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
And in this case NCSoft ignored the strategy of Sun Tzu: Always give them a way out. Since NCSoft quashed every attempt to give CoH a lifeline, people are now taking the game into their own hands. If NCSoft doesn't behave stupidly, they may even have a chance of getting my money again.
I'm going to ask around locally to see if someone has the chops to set this up. Pretty sure I can raise the money for hardware/software.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
https://massivelyop.com/2018/10/26/us-copyright-office-grants-dmca-exception-for-preserving-online-games/
Besides that, I unilaterally reject these two sentences for poor phrasing. It is almost appalling that anyone would agree to them as they stand, unless they understood the potential intention.
As an aside: It is also interesting how different viewpoints are on there than on this post and those that pressed that agree button: "A win for the good guys!" But back to the point:
This very discussion could even be related to VHS and recording shows without permission. Then being able to replay it as many times as you want without commercials or revenue to the creators, to friends and family and anyone who comes to your house. The shows were displayed on their channels or paid to be and no physical product was bought. In fact, it is less of an issue here as NCSoft doesn't profit from it anymore and those shows still relied on airing re-runs with commercials on them. Some have "In-Home" use classifications for personal use, and then there are cases where you are / were expressly prohibited from taping with express permission from the channel and whatever party was making the content.
https://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/expiration-copyright-law-vhs-tapes-7054.html
To speak of laws and those who do not follow them being bad guys, I'd point you to a few famous examples among many. As well as the side note that a lot of laws are made due to lobbyist influence and corrupt politicians. These are written with full knowledge that your articulation may not be your entire thought on the matter, but answered as if they were.
The Jim Crow laws on segregation and it being law that you had to give up your seat to a white person. Would I be a bad guy if I supported Rosa Parks and Claudette Colvin? During the time, some people might find me a horrible person if I did. But morally so, am I a bad person?
https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/segregation-united-states
Medical doctors trying to find the medical benefits of marijuana when it was entirely illegal. Lobbyist paying off politicians to make it illegal. The same companies funding programs such as "DARE" to frequently send mascots and police to class rooms to say that cannabis is evil and has no environmental benefits and will lead you down a dark path. When they very well knew that the use of such could be applied to medical science and help the environment, they spun it into good PR to say that it was for your childrens' future just as they were stripping away the natural resources of future generations. Medical uses for Marijuana were well known even in the 1830s and were widely used / purchases even in the early 1900s. They can be used in dozens of commercial products as well, as shown in the ccguide.org link below.
https://www.history.com/news/why-the-u-s-made-marijuana-illegal
http://ccguide.org/uses.php
The European Union, some say, being formed just for the benefit of a select few hidden under the guise of unity and globalism. With many privileged individuals allegedly and secretly being exempt from their own laws. Passing such things as Article 13. The same goes with the American Government and the disbursement of Net Neutrality. Going against the will of the people, as tens of millions voiced concerns over such to the point where the chairman made questionable videos making fun of the American people, saying similar things as to even if all Americans didn't want it, he is going to do it.* Along with attempt to punish any who try to save it. Then foreign powers issuing laws where it is Illegal to even talk about corporate or political corruption.
Youtube: Videos posted below (This are very well made and funny, to boot)
Internet Comment Etiquette: "Net Neutrality"
Internet Comment Etiquette: Article 13
To say nothing of intentionally complex tax laws, as I alluded in a previous post. Such things being intentional so that those with a lot of money can hire lawyers just to get them out of hot water and legally conduct what some may say is shady business. Once again under the guise of the absurd notion of Globalism, which has a nice definition to it, but is far from the truth since a lot view it as only helping the few and not the many. Anything with a beautiful definition is just ripe for being corrupted. It's simply the way of the world at the moment. Both public and private citizens and companies will get away with things if they're able. If fact, in business you will be taught that it is a company's legal right and obligation to try and pay as less as possible and to make as much as possible. Using any loophole available. Many are calling for a change; part of it is likely due to when private citizens find loopholes, companies are hypocritically calling foul. In addition to this right starting to infringe on consumer and employee rights and capabilities. Though as a whole, I am only an onlooker in this and simply recognize that such exists.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
Never mind to the fact that the people/company that actually owns the code/product/property has the sole right to say when and if ANYONE can take, and or use, their property, intellectual or otherwise.
All the boohoo, poor am i, crap is just people trying to justify stealing/taking/using stuff that does not, and never did, belong to them.
At least be honest with yourselves if no one else....would have more respect for people that were...
When making analogies its better to stick comparable examples, emminent domain of physical property vs game IPs doesn't work so well.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
This is infringement that protects businesses and you do not upend this without setting up a precedent and such a precedent will have severe consequences. Your arguments are all moot in this case because this is a game. Try to keep a perspective and not argue for the sake of arguing.
NCSoft could just take a wait and see attitude and wait for things to calm down and then decide. They may not do anything in the immediate future but wait to take down the individuals itself. The don't need to attack the server they just need to take down the individuals and this might be the approach they take.
Let's all get some nostalgia going while we can and meanwhile I hope to play some defender or mastermind when the servers are more stable.