OP,I know you think you're edgy and creating great threads on these boards. At some point you should realise that you're the butt of quite a lot of jokes. They openly mock you and you don't seem to get a clue and think that you're pushing buttons and making headway. They just open your threads for a chance to laugh at you and some do it while falsely praising you. You just lap it all up. I have to wonder what type of real life problems a person has to have to not get a clue as to what is happening and comes back for more.
I feel bad for you when I see what is happening but at some point one has to question your intelligence if you do not see how much abuse you're taking.
You have always said that you think I'm a nice person well as a person whom you think is nice, let me give you some advice, you have a problem if you cannot see what is going on and actually believe your own fantasy about what your threads generate. Try posting on other people's threads and take a break from creating threads as they seem to be on a repeat loop.
Keep a calendar and write down what threads you have created so you avoid posting the same drivel in a short span of time. Take a step back and evaluate the need and your cry for attention that most of us can see but you seem to be oblivious to. I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh but I think someone should tell you not to believe your own press.
If you find you have some spare time you can perhaps improve your English and may be write better threads so that people are not inclined to make that much fun of you.
Thanks for the advice Cheyane, One quality I like is you don't feed off others fun and your a few steps above all that....Rare quality !..... However you do have a boiling point where you can't take it anymore and explode, but still its a high tolerance level and that's a good quality too.
Being honest I'm not blind, I see all that. However the state of mmorpg's are a mess to the point their almost gone. You know it, I know it and everyone else can feel it..... There are real answers, but no one will face them.
Most here are "hypocrites", they say one thing in one post and something completely different in another. Many when something is brought to attention they clip only the parts they can argue with and leave the rest out..... This site has become simply a play on words site, every thing ANYONE says gets twisted around..... Why is it now like that?...... Nothing to play !
MASS MARKETING destroyed the market all to make games cheaper, and use their power to "tell everyone they like it".
Why don't I care about self ? Straight up..... This is the internet.... I can sacrifice myself for the the honest real answers. Me against 200 people that are full of crap. It's not hiding behind the internet......I can be honest..... too bad my grammar sucks.... That I should improve.
This topic hits the mark absolutely !..... Big business put us out of business out of greed.
My time is limited here, Why because the market is dead and were playing a word game. Not much to talk about for any of us, even all topics are drying up. I have faith in a few up coming mmorpgs but their three years away, thats a fact and we all know it.... No one faces facts here.
My #1 game is being turned into a personal playground so the head developer can experiment with something that's been fixed for many years, ( graphics and animation) and he is wasting peoples money. I call things as they are !...... Yes I'll be playing the game three years from now.
Like I say my time is limited here, Not because of the foolish attitude, but games are drying up and I lost a lot of respect for many.... This goes both ways !
You are one of several I have respect for.
Great I fell like an arsehole now. Probably because I am.
Absoutly don't feel that way, I understand you were trying to save me.
That was a nice thing you did
I really have been thinking of giving up this site.... It's coming soon.
The only reliable and true marketing research proves is that "everyone plays everything" if advertised well.
If a consumer purchases a product regardless of it's faults... It's a green flag saying "everything about it is what everyone wants". This false proof stacks higher and strengthens at a geometric rate as advertisement does its job.
The foundation is now set in stone.... Free-to-play and child like game play is here to stay.
Everything is fine and added to the count if you press the "X" button.
This is so much true that if people abandon a game, marketing will now say "people don't like mmorpgs anymore".
"Everyone plays everything" is the culprit in the bad state of mmorpg's are at now. Marketing researchers don't play mmorpg's they only look at the "X" button.
So here we stand !
If there is any truth this.. this is the living embodiment of why I don't much weight into claims when people say "the developers know what they are doing"
As it turns out, given many of the train wreck games out there.. no.. no they do not know what they are doing.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
The only reliable and true marketing research proves is that "everyone plays everything" if advertised well.
Collectively players plays everything, but what matters from a marketing perspective is how many of that collective play your thing. You can advertise relentlessly and still fail if your thing doesn't draw enough of that collective.
My last employment was a factory. We got a new vending service to run the cafeteria...... The food was so bad and cheaply made everyone hated it.
One employee actually walked around the factory telling everyone to boycott the cafeteria on Friday.... EVERYONE agreed..... Guess what happened ?..... Everyone ate at the cafeteria on Friday !
People are people, theirs no stopping anything.
Change through collective action only happens when the issue is vital enough to produce and maintain commitment by that collective. That level of passion is unlikely to occur over the quality of cafeteria food. It occurs most often on issues pertaining to rights and freedoms, but can also occur in matters of livelihood to lesser degree.
There has been natural evolution of the genre, companies have tried
* Different Styles of MMORPG Combat * Different Methods to deliver content
* Different ways to handle traditional roles
* Different ways to handle the leveling experience
etc...
some of it has been received well, some of it has not... WoW blew up and everyone thought they could do it better, a lot of companies tried, some delivered fun products but none catered to the same kind of audience size as blizzard did.
Does this mean mmorpgs have been a failure, i don't think so... just because YOUR definition of a traditional mmorpg hasn't been catered to by the current generation of mmorpgs doesn't mean we're all slaves to marketing...
could you imagine if all the mmorpgs just got stuck looking and playing like everquest. At least to some degree a lot of development houses have tried to put their own spin on it and craft their own unique adventure.... Sure there is a lot of crap out there, but there is some really good games too.
I think there is too many generations of mmorpg players currently fighting for their own space of virtual world and too many developers still chasing those big $$$$ trying to cater to all of them at once, Blizzard is the best in this regard because they kept pandering to what everyone wanted until they got to a point where now they don't listen to anything anyone says and delivers content nobody asked for while solely focused on their "time spent in game metric".
Some outliers have carved out their own slice of virtual market share and are successful in their own rights, continuing to get constant updates and new content.
But i think the development cycle is too long and expensive for publishers especially to invest on whats probably gonna be a longshot, so it's gotten to the point where it's easier to churn out some half assed attempt at a money grab with the attitude that "we can fix it later we just need to get money in now" for anyone to actually try and make a really great mmorpg and even then, what i consider a really great mmorpg might not be the same as what 80% of the rest of you consider so to you the game would be trash.
My last employment was a factory. We got a new vending service to run the cafeteria...... The food was so bad and cheaply made everyone hated it.
One employee actually walked around the factory telling everyone to boycott the cafeteria on Friday.... EVERYONE agreed..... Guess what happened ?..... Everyone ate at the cafeteria on Friday !
People are people, theirs no stopping anything.
That's becuase a lot of people don't want to seem in the minority, especially against an unpopular point/stance.
That's why HR usually says that people should act professionally at company outings because even if "everyone" seems ok with what is going on, that's not always the case.
It's very possible that people didn't like the cafeteria food but it wasn't so important that they wouldn't eat there.
Same with game forums. So many people "claiming" that x is bad and y is wrong and that people should boycott z games and in the end people buy them because they probably don't care that much.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
The factory called. They said get back to work and stop pretending you know about market research. Oh, and to tell you your half eaten baloney sandwich is still in the lunchroom.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
The only reliable and true marketing research proves is that "everyone plays everything" if advertised well.
If a consumer purchases a product regardless of it's faults... It's a green flag saying "everything about it is what everyone wants". This false proof stacks higher and strengthens at a geometric rate as advertisement does its job.
The foundation is now set in stone.... Free-to-play and child like game play is here to stay.
Everything is fine and added to the count if you press the "X" button.
This is so much true that if people abandon a game, marketing will now say "people don't like mmorpgs anymore".
"Everyone plays everything" is the culprit in the bad state of mmorpg's are at now. Marketing researchers don't play mmorpg's they only look at the "X" button.
So here we stand !
I read your post 3 times and im not sure what your point is. A lot of movies are advertized well and then dont do well in the box office cuz they suck. Im not sure if this even refutes a point you are trying to make.
Overall, the state of mmorpg are they way they are not solely because of marketing or greedy developers but because a lot of people have moved and got bored by them . . . Myself included.
The novelty is gone, it is not an amazing world anymore, it is just another genre.
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Mordhau sold over a million copies and so did Arma 3 over one weekend
when the DayZ mod came out. Market research cannot anticipate a type of
game or ____ that does not exist which is why it failed Blizzard so
hard last year. It's a unreliable tool/method/broad brush used when you've run out of ideas/confidence and want
someone else to tell you what to do. A few competent hires can remove the need for any market research aka outside paid consultant.
The novelty is gone, it is not an amazing world anymore, it is just another genre.
With almost no streaming potential, so what good are MMORPGs these days, right?
well, WoW world's first to beat the new raid gets a lot of views and certain MMO's get views. I just play starcraft cuz i am a friggin masochist. I stopped playing 6 years ago cuz i'd break my mouse when I lose. It didn't rear its head until today when i lost a game and smashed a plastic cup into pieces.
Anyway, I'm like Kyleran, just not an entertaining sarcastic boob, but a person who plays one game at a time.
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
I only ever play one thing at any one time, so I don't get around much.
sooo... You're a serial mono-GAME-ist?
ba-dum BUM
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
The novelty is gone, it is not an amazing world anymore, it is just another genre.
With almost no streaming potential, so what good are MMORPGs these days, right?
well, WoW world's first to beat the new raid gets a lot of views and certain MMO's get views. I just play starcraft cuz i am a friggin masochist. I stopped playing 6 years ago cuz i'd break my mouse when I lose. It didn't rear its head until today when i lost a game and smashed a plastic cup into pieces.
Anyway, I'm like Kyleran, just not an entertaining sarcastic boob, but a person who plays one game at a time.
Err, wait a minute, was I just insulted there?
Well, not really, besides everyone knows boobs come in pairs.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I understand you were trying to save me.
That was a nice thing you did
I really have been thinking of giving up this site.... It's coming soon.
As it turns out, given many of the train wreck games out there.. no.. no they do not know what they are doing.
There has been natural evolution of the genre, companies have tried
* Different Styles of MMORPG Combat
* Different Methods to deliver content
could you imagine if all the mmorpgs just got stuck looking and playing like everquest. At least to some degree a lot of development houses have tried to put their own spin on it and craft their own unique adventure.... Sure there is a lot of crap out there, but there is some really good games too.
I think there is too many generations of mmorpg players currently fighting for their own space of virtual world and too many developers still chasing those big $$$$ trying to cater to all of them at once, Blizzard is the best in this regard because they kept pandering to what everyone wanted until they got to a point where now they don't listen to anything anyone says and delivers content nobody asked for while solely focused on their "time spent in game metric".
Some outliers have carved out their own slice of virtual market share and are successful in their own rights, continuing to get constant updates and new content.
It's an impossible market.
That's why HR usually says that people should act professionally at company outings because even if "everyone" seems ok with what is going on, that's not always the case.
It's very possible that people didn't like the cafeteria food but it wasn't so important that they wouldn't eat there.
Same with game forums. So many people "claiming" that x is bad and y is wrong and that people should boycott z games and in the end people buy them because they probably don't care that much.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Overall, the state of mmorpg are they way they are not solely because of marketing or greedy developers but because a lot of people have moved and got bored by them . . . Myself included.
The novelty is gone, it is not an amazing world anymore, it is just another genre.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I, for example, like:
Roleplaying games
Adventure games
Character action games
Turn based strategy games
Third person shooters
Hack and slash/brawlers
I typically do not like:
Survival games
First person games
Fighting games
Racing games
Flight games
2D Platformers
Rogue-likes
Five different games in a calendar year would be a high water mark, this year the number is two so far, none being a MMORPG.
Clearly I can see why no games are tailored to my tastes, I am mostly a non factor.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I have bought one game on my phone, console and PC twice once free game and another paid on different launchers. Still haven't completed it lol.
Anyway, I'm like Kyleran, just not an entertaining sarcastic boob, but a person who plays one game at a time.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
ba-dum BUM
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Well, not really, besides everyone knows boobs come in pairs.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon