single player campaign with content, and then an empty sandbox as multiplayer?
Not really. It goes full transparency. They could have started beta as planned and add 12 weeks to make the beta last longer... But some love so much to get game delivered at a date rather than completed. Fallout 76 / Anthem anyone
"In terms of content, Roberts said that all of the game’s chapters and gameplay are at the “grey-box” level, which means that development is nearly complete, but the last set of assets aren’t included yet, and the developers want to give it a final polish."
Except they did add in the meantime PG planets and many others features in two roadmaps. CR did said from start pledges will be used at full extent, I.E. more pledges equal more contents.
That's why there is now a dedicated 46M$ saved for marketing campaign.
Rrrriiiiiggghhttt.. No delay is good especially when both projects are already years behind. They better be careful or that guy that gave them 40 million will want his money back before they release anything.
The private investor who invested 46M$ end of 2018 did have all information hands, the one we do not have. Information about precise project internal status, including Beta or release moving few quarters together with independent Auditors giving a 500M$ to the project.
But they all idiots but some random on internet with their scam and Ponzi
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"In terms of content, Roberts said that all of the game’s chapters and gameplay are at the “grey-box” level, which means that development is nearly complete, but the last set of assets aren’t included yet, and the developers want to give it a final polish."
Except they did add in the meantime PG planets and many others features in two roadmaps. CR did said from start pledges will be used at full extent, I.E. more pledges equal more contents.
That's why there is now a dedicated 46M$ saved for marketing campaign.
And if you believe that about the 46M being held for marketing only, I have a spaceship to sell you in the Brooklyn system. Oh...wait...
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Until I saw the check which had said $5494 , I accept that...my... friend truly earning money in their spare time at there computer.There neighbor has been doing this less than 16 months and a short time ago cleared the mortgage on their apartment and bought a great Toyota .Why not try this out..............http://alturl.com/hyscq
Wrong place. This is about people who give money away for fantasies, not people looking for fantasy ways to get money.
Rrrriiiiiggghhttt.. No delay is good especially when both projects are already years behind. They better be careful or that guy that gave them 40 million will want his money back before they release anything.
The private investor who invested 46M$ end of 2018 did have all information hands, the one we do not have. Information about precise project internal status, including Beta or release moving few quarters together with independent Auditors giving a 500M$ to the project.
But they all idiots but some random on internet with their scam and Ponzi
Yeah, well informed private investors never make bad business decisions..
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Rrrriiiiiggghhttt.. No delay is good especially when both projects are already years behind. They better be careful or that guy that gave them 40 million will want his money back before they release anything.
The private investor who invested 46M$ end of 2018 did have all information hands, the one we do not have. Information about precise project internal status, including Beta or release moving few quarters together with independent Auditors giving a 500M$ to the project.
But they all idiots but some random on internet with their scam and Ponzi
The investors can't get their money back once they're invested.
But I think the investors are less interested in the release date. If their evaluation says people will keep buying virtual spaceships enough to fund development until 2030, they will be happy enough with 2030 release.
If they had just carried on with the, usually weekly, schedule updates and "stuff - up to and eventually including the beta so what? No one would have been surprised. There would have been some progress - as before - and a later date - as before. No change, business as usual.
But we have a "big announcement" about "staggered development" because "devs didn't have time to release a polished product". What?
The dates given - and its stated clearly and been discussed many times - are simply ASAP dates. And they have said many times that they will only release stuff when its ready. I could guess what this means but - as I have said - I actually know enough to know that I don't know" what they have done. And frankly it makes no difference. The schedule is still the schedule and they will either deliver against it or slip some more.
Like I said though if they had just done the regular updates ..... storm in a tea cup.
Instead: big announcement. Articles on multiple sites. Threads everywhere about RSI adopts "staggered development", a 3 month slip and ... a beta is Q3 2020 date.
And if you are someone who hasn't "followed" SC they might think: SC - forgot all about that its been so long but gee its only 1 year away. And maybe they will check it out.
They must have been able to anticipate that announcing a 3 month skip would go down like a lead balloon whatever they said. This way though its catapulted SC into the news. Heck even this forum had gone very quiet until @NorseGod decided SC needed the publicity!
Rrrriiiiiggghhttt.. No delay is good especially when both projects are already years behind. They better be careful or that guy that gave them 40 million will want his money back before they release anything.
The private investor who invested 46M$ end of 2018 did have all information hands, the one we do not have. Information about precise project internal status, including Beta or release moving few quarters together with independent Auditors giving a 500M$ to the project.
But they all idiots but some random on internet with their scam and Ponzi
Yeah, well informed private investors never make bad business decisions..
Oh yeah, I hear the state of R.I. has some game assets to sell....for cheap.
It wouldn't surprise me if there are safe guards. As announced the money would be "for marketing". This could easily mean that the money can't be touched until SQ42 releases. Which would, imo, be a smart thing to do.
There are extremes at both ends and this mess is squarely at the Battlecruiser 3000 AD end of the spectrum.
Written by someone who hasn't played the game and has no idea of what it's talking about. As per usual in every topic about Star Citizen, I mean even the topic of the thread is wrong lol
yeah, im mean its not like it has been in development since 2012.
Bigger and wealthy established studios spend a lot of years working on their ambitious games it's only natural that new studios starting from scratch will also spend a lot of time. Yes, game development is hard and takes a lot of time. Not really newsworthy.
I would agree with you, but unlike SC, Andromeda and Anthem are actual games.
But let's assume this game is in a better than either of those game because apparently, duration equate to quality.
Unlike SC, Andromeda and Anthem are games that were hyped, rushed and bombed games that died at birth and abandoned by their community along with crushing any chance of a sequel and a tarnish for the franchise.
Also they probably made more money in their week launch than Star Citizen in all it's crowdfunding years lol
Meanwhile Star Citizen is the leading game in it's genre despite still being alpha.
Holy hell....they were planning for Squadron 42 to be episodic...? So....they are essentially delaying THE FIRST EPISODE by a year.....it only took them about 6 years to give people a 8hr game experience? Sounds awesome! Hell, at this rate, they'll have all episodes out by 2045! And maybe the multiplayer aspect 6 years after that!
Yes, Squadron 42 is episodic. And was planned like that. But one episode is not an 8 hour experience like in a Telltale game. Long term backers will get the first two episodes (6 M$ Stretch goal). More recent backers will get Episode 1.
"Squadron 42 is a single player campaign that takes place within the Star Citizen universe. It can be played off-line. Squadron 42 will be released in 3 episodes or stand alone games"
"The first
episode will have 70 missions which will total up to 20 hours of
gameplay."
"CitizenCon 2016 SQ42 presentation listed:
28 chapters equivalent to 60+ missions
A-list cast to match any event movie
340 speaking roles with state of the art facial scanning and mocap
Over 20 hours of performance capture
Story arc with 1255 pages of dialogue
40 distinct ships from fighters to dreadnoughts
Hand-crafted environments enhanced with procedural tech
Systemic space and FPS gameplay - from stealth to brute force
Dogfighting in both space and planetary atmosphere
There are extremes at both ends and this mess is squarely at the Battlecruiser 3000 AD end of the spectrum.
Written by someone who hasn't played the game and has no idea of what it's talking about. As per usual in every topic about Star Citizen, I mean even the topic of the thread is wrong lol
yeah, im mean its not like it has been in development since 2012.
Bigger and wealthy established studios spend a lot of years working on their ambitious games it's only natural that new studios starting from scratch will also spend a lot of time. Yes, game development is hard and takes a lot of time. Not really newsworthy.
I would agree with you, but unlike SC, Andromeda and Anthem are actual games.
But let's assume this game is in a better than either of those game because apparently, duration equate to quality.
Unlike SC, Andromeda and Anthem are games that were hyped, rushed and bombed games that died at birth and abandoned by their community along with crushing any chance of a sequel and a tarnish for the franchise.
Also they probably made more money in their week launch than Star Citizen in all it's crowdfunding years lol
Meanwhile Star Citizen is the leading game in it's genre despite still being alpha.
Not surprising, the best game is the one which doesn't exist yet, well except in peoples imaginations.
The cold reality of release often strips away most of their hopes and dreams, leaving a rather ashen taste in their mouths.
One day we may get to see if SC passes the test, say around 2024, yes?
Also, you keep slagging on two games releasing too soon. No guarantee more time and money would have improved them, could have still been bad games.
In fairness, neither had the advantage of nearly unlimited free money, so they get a bit of a pass which won't apply to SC if it ends up being anything less than the game which breaks any and all records, a tall order to fill, I wish them luck.
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Holy hell....they were planning for Squadron 42 to be episodic...? So....they are essentially delaying THE FIRST EPISODE by a year.....it only took them about 6 years to give people a 8hr game experience? Sounds awesome! Hell, at this rate, they'll have all episodes out by 2045! And maybe the multiplayer aspect 6 years after that!
Yes, Squadron 42 is episodic. And was planned like that. But one episode is not an 8 hour experience like in a Telltale game. Long term backers will get the first two episodes (6 M$ Stretch goal). More recent backers will get Episode 1.
"Squadron 42 is a single player campaign that takes place within the Star Citizen universe. It can be played off-line. Squadron 42 will be released in 3 episodes or stand alone games"
"The first
episode will have 70 missions which will total up to 20 hours of
gameplay."
"CitizenCon 2016 SQ42 presentation listed:
28 chapters equivalent to 60+ missions
A-list cast to match any event movie
340 speaking roles with state of the art facial scanning and mocap
Over 20 hours of performance capture
Story arc with 1255 pages of dialogue
40 distinct ships from fighters to dreadnoughts
Hand-crafted environments enhanced with procedural tech
Systemic space and FPS gameplay - from stealth to brute force
Dogfighting in both space and planetary atmosphere
Its good to see you are still protecting the game, the day you will crack and admit the scam will be sad, but inevitable. Stay strong,and remember to have fun.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics. Reply Add Multi-Quote
Not surprising, the best game is the one which doesn't exist yet, well except in peoples imaginations.
**snip**
Funny - i fly around in a game that looks a lot like Star Citizen almost every day. But Star Citizen does not exist yet. Kyleran said so.
And the thousands of videos on YouTube showing people playing a game that looks a lot like Star Citizen in its Alpha version must be just in peoples imagination.
Its good to see you are still protecting the game, the day you will crack and admit the scam will be sad, but inevitable. Stay strong,and remember to have fun.
What a lot of people do not understand - i ALREADY got my moneys worth in enjoyment and fun from playing Star Citizen Alpha. Great friends, great community, great developers, amazing experiences. Adding Squadron 42 and the official launch of the Star Citizen multiplayer game will be the icing on the cake.
Not surprising, the best game is the one which doesn't exist yet, well except in peoples imaginations.
**snip**
Funny - i fly around in a game that looks a lot like Star Citizen almost every day. But Star Citizen does not exist yet. Kyleran said so.
And the thousands of videos on YouTube showing people playing a game that looks a lot like Star Citizen in its Alpha version must be just in peoples imagination.
Have fun
A "game" is the sum total of its parts, your doing the equivalent a driving a half built Ferrari. What you need is the full vehicle to go out and try to win the race.
It isn't the tools which matter, how you get to use them to play the game, what you accomplish with them is, and you still can't do any of that yet.
You really should know better. No, I'm sure you do but you've been trying to find ways to justify this game for far too long and have lost your perspective.
"But I can play something" is a shallow defense....get back to me when there is an actual game with progression and we'll talk....say around 2024 or so, yes?
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Not surprising, the best game is the one which doesn't exist yet, well except in peoples imaginations.
**snip**
Funny - i fly around in a game that looks a lot like Star Citizen almost every day. But Star Citizen does not exist yet. Kyleran said so.
And the thousands of videos on YouTube showing people playing a game that looks a lot like Star Citizen in its Alpha version must be just in peoples imagination.
Have fun
Yeah all those viewers on Twitch watching a game that doesn't exist
Is it that hard to understand that Star Citizen alpha is already more of a game for many than other released and finished games in the market?
It's not really hard, there aren't that many space games anyway, still it's good to be on top
"But I can play something" is good enough for me. Your mileage may vary.
"... and you still can't do any of that yet..."
I can already do a lot of things. Some of it the playtesters have invented themselves, like cross-cliff-jumping ;-) (BTW you can do that in E:D too ... especially on low grav planets). And every new SC Alpha version i can do even more things.
It is the exploring that i find appealing, to find out what you can do, what many more activities you can engage in compared to what the developers had in mind. GTA is comparable in that respect. Star Wars Galaxies was like that too in its early days.
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Not really. It goes full transparency. They could have started beta as planned and add 12 weeks to make the beta last longer... But some love so much to get game delivered at a date rather than completed. Fallout 76 / Anthem anyone
Except they did add in the meantime PG planets and many others features in two roadmaps. CR did said from start pledges will be used at full extent, I.E. more pledges equal more contents.
That's why there is now a dedicated 46M$ saved for marketing campaign.
Sure.. like collapse 90 days top!.... back in 2015
The private investor who invested 46M$ end of 2018 did have all information hands, the one we do not have. Information about precise project internal status, including Beta or release moving few quarters together with independent Auditors giving a 500M$ to the project.
But they all idiots but some random on internet with their scam and Ponzi
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https://www.cbinsights.com/research/biggest-startup-failures/
Oh yeah, I hear the state of R.I. has some game assets to sell....for cheap.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
But I think the investors are less interested in the release date. If their evaluation says people will keep buying virtual spaceships enough to fund development until 2030, they will be happy enough with 2030 release.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
If they had just carried on with the, usually weekly, schedule updates and "stuff - up to and eventually including the beta so what? No one would have been surprised. There would have been some progress - as before - and a later date - as before. No change, business as usual.
But we have a "big announcement" about "staggered development" because "devs didn't have time to release a polished product". What?
The dates given - and its stated clearly and been discussed many times - are simply ASAP dates. And they have said many times that they will only release stuff when its ready. I could guess what this means but - as I have said - I actually know enough to know that I don't know" what they have done. And frankly it makes no difference. The schedule is still the schedule and they will either deliver against it or slip some more.
Like I said though if they had just done the regular updates ..... storm in a tea cup.
Instead: big announcement. Articles on multiple sites. Threads everywhere about RSI adopts "staggered development", a 3 month slip and ... a beta is Q3 2020 date.
And if you are someone who hasn't "followed" SC they might think: SC - forgot all about that its been so long but gee its only 1 year away. And maybe they will check it out.
They must have been able to anticipate that announcing a 3 month skip would go down like a lead balloon whatever they said. This way though its catapulted SC into the news. Heck even this forum had gone very quiet until @NorseGod decided SC needed the publicity!
Bigger and wealthy established studios spend a lot of years working on their ambitious games it's only natural that new studios starting from scratch will also spend a lot of time. Yes, game development is hard and takes a lot of time. Not really newsworthy.
"Squadron 42 is a single player campaign that takes place within the Star Citizen universe. It can be played off-line. Squadron 42 will be released in 3 episodes or stand alone games"
"The first episode will have 70 missions which will total up to 20 hours of gameplay."
Have fun
The cold reality of release often strips away most of their hopes and dreams, leaving a rather ashen taste in their mouths.
One day we may get to see if SC passes the test, say around 2024, yes?
Also, you keep slagging on two games releasing too soon. No guarantee more time and money would have improved them, could have still been bad games.
In fairness, neither had the advantage of nearly unlimited free money, so they get a bit of a pass which won't apply to SC if it ends up being anything less than the game which breaks any and all records, a tall order to fill, I wish them luck.
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Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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It isn't the tools which matter, how you get to use them to play the game, what you accomplish with them is, and you still can't do any of that yet.
You really should know better. No, I'm sure you do but you've been trying to find ways to justify this game for far too long and have lost your perspective.
"But I can play something" is a shallow defense....get back to me when there is an actual game with progression and we'll talk....say around 2024 or so, yes?
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