whats wrong with GVG MMOS these days?

badermal

we really miss those days where a MMO that has full loot pvp and player built city which can be sieged and people fight for control of land territories , now we barely have it any

All we got now is 
those weird Asian MMOS where a half naked midget girl on unicorn carries a 10 ton hammer (you know those Titles lol)

or Albion which call itself as sandbox all player made cities are safe and does not even allow open world territory battle , Has a graphics like The Looney Tunes Show but only allows instant 5V5 pvp

or those carebear game like Gloria victis no full loot no friendly fire just have few pre made castle which people just spam capturing it when bored , they may add free building update but no use since you allowed to build on very limited spot

or most of the other MMOS which just have pre generated Castle like ESO 

Darkfall is the only one that does the job even though graphics are bit dated but now both darkfall title is dead

so whats going on with these MMOS they have any goal to revive those genres like shadowbane eve mortal online etc or just let it die?

alkarionlog

players building city, open world wars, sieges, yes all that we miss, we don't miss the full loot

there is a reason most of these games was niche or died

Sovrath

A good many players don't want to suffer the nonsense that other players want to inflict.

There is a difference between playing a good natured game where "it's just a game" and people don't take it seriously and playing a game where people revel in f'ing with others as often as they can in a very mean spirited way.

It's the players. The bad players that is.

It takes money and resources and dedication and time to make these things. And the people doing it would love to stay employed. So what is their incentive to make a game like Shadowbane when all their efforts will only yield a small amount of players and the game will close down.

if it launches!

At least Gloria Victis launched.

Amathe

For some people, it's not enough to defeat another player. They need for that player to suffer as a result of the defeat. I never play games like that. 

Sovrath

Amathe said:

For some people, it's not enough to defeat another player. They need for that player to suffer as a result of the defeat. I never play games like that. 

Exactly. I'm done with that nonsense. Life is too short to put up with others' crap and pay for the privilege to do it.

Bloodaxes

OP it's about time you lowered your standards.

You won't find anything close to what you want. Not a lot of people enjoy that style of gameplay as evident from the lack of options. So instead of making a thread every couple weeks on the same thing, you should check out those games people have suggested you time and time again and not be so picky.

Hashbrick

The MMOs for assholes is where the assholes reside.  As you already found out the amount of pure assholes is quite small, so when one asshole leaves, it makes a smaller league of assholes.  Eventually the asshole MMO becomes asshole-less and it gets shutdown.  I can be an asshole from time to time and sometimes enjoy it but I'm not enough of an asshole to enjoy other assholes all the time.

That's why your game died. Fin.

Noobmaster_95

badermal said:

we really miss those days where a MMO that has full loot pvp and player built city which can be sieged and people fight for control of land territories , now we barely have it any

All we got now is 
those weird Asian MMOS where a half naked midget girl on unicorn carries a 10 ton hammer (you know those Titles lol)

or Albion which call itself as sandbox all player made cities are safe and does not even allow open world territory battle , Has a graphics like The Looney Tunes Show but only allows instant 5V5 pvp

or those carebear game like Gloria victis no full loot no friendly fire just have few pre made castle which people just spam capturing it when bored , they may add free building update but no use since you allowed to build on very limited spot

or most of the other MMOS which just have pre generated Castle like ESO 

Darkfall is the only one that does the job even though graphics are bit dated but now both darkfall title is dead

so whats going on with these MMOS they have any goal to revive those genres like shadowbane eve mortal online etc or just let it die?

Everything is wrong.

badermal

@Bloodaxes true lol  


@Noobmaster_95 says the kid with shooter game picture probably thinking that iam talking about fornite not sure if he even knows what is GVG lol

Bloodaxes

Alternatively there's always survival games. You can build pretty much anywhere, have full loot pvp and GvG fights.

Sure the server sizes aren't as big as an mmo, but you're going to have fights nonetheless.

Hashbrick

badermal said:

@Bloodaxes true lol  


@Noobmaster_95 says the kid with shooter game picture probably thinking that iam talking about fornite not sure if he even knows what is GVG lol

Are shooters not manly enough?  I didn't get the memo.  Looks like a screenshot of Arma to me, probably the most manly shooter ever created.  Let's not start categorizing people and their interests by a username or avatar that's just petty, something a k... nvm

Amathe

GVG is Guild v. Guild, no?

vegetableoil

badermal said:

we really miss those days where a MMO that has full loot pvp and player built city which can be sieged and people fight for control of land territories , now we barely have it any

All we got now is 
those weird Asian MMOS where a half naked midget girl on unicorn carries a 10 ton hammer (you know those Titles lol)

or Albion which call itself as sandbox all player made cities are safe and does not even allow open world territory battle , Has a graphics like The Looney Tunes Show but only allows instant 5V5 pvp

or those carebear game like Gloria victis no full loot no friendly fire just have few pre made castle which people just spam capturing it when bored , they may add free building update but no use since you allowed to build on very limited spot

or most of the other MMOS which just have pre generated Castle like ESO 

Darkfall is the only one that does the job even though graphics are bit dated but now both darkfall title is dead

so whats going on with these MMOS they have any goal to revive those genres like shadowbane eve mortal online etc or just let it die?

The customers are the carebear, Companies are afraid they run away when they have bad experience in the game which equates to loss of revenue. companies simply provide to the carebears what they want, nothing more nothing less. Hardcore pvp moved to arena based game mostly, so you won't see them lingering around mmorpgs.

MMOExposed

RUST is a experiment on why FFA Full Loot multiplayer games dont work. 

Cryomatrix

Did anyone else think it was a @delete5230 thread? 

Utinni

Shadowbane still going strong. 

https://shadowbaneemulator.com/

Albatroes

MMORPGs aren't designed with guilds mattering anymore is the problem. If there's something guild specific, chances are it will eventually be made into a solo queue or flat out irrelevant in a couple of months. The solo players know this and have too many options at their disposal to boot, so they can just stop playing until that happens and come back or just not come back at all.

AlBQuirky

Amathe said:

GVG is Guild v. Guild, no?

I was going to ask for clarification, too

Noobmaster_95

badermal said:

@Noobmaster_95 says the kid with shooter game picture probably thinking that iam talking about fornite not sure if he even knows what is GVG lol

I don't even know what fortnite is. If you don't know what's the game is this on my avatar there's nothing to talk about anymore lol

KnightFalz

badermal said:

we really miss those days where a MMO that has full loot pvp and player built city which can be sieged and people fight for control of land territories , now we barely have it any

All we got now is 
those weird Asian MMOS where a half naked midget girl on unicorn carries a 10 ton hammer (you know those Titles lol)

or Albion which call itself as sandbox all player made cities are safe and does not even allow open world territory battle , Has a graphics like The Looney Tunes Show but only allows instant 5V5 pvp

or those carebear game like Gloria victis no full loot no friendly fire just have few pre made castle which people just spam capturing it when bored , they may add free building update but no use since you allowed to build on very limited spot

or most of the other MMOS which just have pre generated Castle like ESO 

Darkfall is the only one that does the job even though graphics are bit dated but now both darkfall title is dead

so whats going on with these MMOS they have any goal to revive those genres like shadowbane eve mortal online etc or just let it die?

How many does the "we" you mention represent? I suspect that number is far lower than the "we" that don't miss those days in the slightest.

What you'll get are the games the population of your "we" can make sufficiently profitable. What the current roster of games shows is... not much.

AlBQuirky

badermal said:

we really miss those days where a MMO that has full loot pvp and player built city which can be sieged and people fight for control of land territories , now we barely have it any

All we got now is 
those weird Asian MMOS where a half naked midget girl on unicorn carries a 10 ton hammer (you know those Titles lol)

or Albion which call itself as sandbox all player made cities are safe and does not even allow open world territory battle , Has a graphics like The Looney Tunes Show but only allows instant 5V5 pvp

or those carebear game like Gloria victis no full loot no friendly fire just have few pre made castle which people just spam capturing it when bored , they may add free building update but no use since you allowed to build on very limited spot

or most of the other MMOS which just have pre generated Castle like ESO 

Darkfall is the only one that does the job even though graphics are bit dated but now both darkfall title is dead

so whats going on with these MMOS they have any goal to revive those genres like shadowbane eve mortal online etc or just let it die?

I'm sorry the games you're seeking are not being made. I know the feeling all too well. I don't have any suggestions to ease your frustration, but do have one question: What is wrong with being a "carebear?" You make it sound like the source of all evil in the world.

I'm proud to be a carebear as I don't need pixels to help me feel all "manly"  by whacking other pixels. I do however, miss the PvE challenges that older MMORPGs used to present to my character.

MMOExposed

AlBQuirky said:

Amathe said:

GVG is Guild v. Guild, no?

I was going to ask for clarification, too

GvG is another way of saying FFA

Hawkaya399

badermal said:

we really miss those days where a MMO that has full loot pvp and player built city which can be sieged and people fight for control of land territories , now we barely have it any

All we got now is 
those weird Asian MMOS where a half naked midget girl on unicorn carries a 10 ton hammer (you know those Titles lol)

or Albion which call itself as sandbox all player made cities are safe and does not even allow open world territory battle , Has a graphics like The Looney Tunes Show but only allows instant 5V5 pvp

or those carebear game like Gloria victis no full loot no friendly fire just have few pre made castle which people just spam capturing it when bored , they may add free building update but no use since you allowed to build on very limited spot

or most of the other MMOS which just have pre generated Castle like ESO 

Darkfall is the only one that does the job even though graphics are bit dated but now both darkfall title is dead

so whats going on with these MMOS they have any goal to revive those genres like shadowbane eve mortal online etc or just let it die?

I'm roughly of the same opinion. For years and years and years I exclusively played in PvP open world FFA because I couldn't find the same level of danger in other MMORPGs. They just ended up being too relaxed, too boring.

My suggestion is you have to accept this is a strongly niche community, so you'll have to go with the limited options. You won't get AAA. Therer'e LOTS of small examples on Steam and older ones too.

Some older ones:

1) Darkfall: Rise of Agon (with some restrictions)

2) Wurm Online (chaos server or Epic servers)

3) Mortal Online

4) Xsyon

5) Tree of Life

6) Haven and Hearth

7) Shadowbane (emulated)

A mix of old/new and fps or general-MMO:

1) Rust

2) 7 Days to Die (Rust-like)

3) Hurtworld (Rust-like)

4) Wild Terra Online (like Ultima Online but with seiging)

5) Arcfall

6) Life is Feudal

7) Conan Exiles (maybe)

8) Dayz (Rust-like)

9) Scum (Rust-like)

10) Miscreated (Rust-like)

Some of these qualify because they have PvP-servers. A couple are are early access. The Rust-like games are not MMORPGs, but they do contain base-building and generally have base defense, group-cooperation, ffa pvp in open world, partial-loot drops and persistence over weeks or months.

This is not an exhaustive list, and there're some MUDs too, like Avalon.

Bottom line, if you wnat MMORPG with AAA quality like ESO, forget it.

ChildoftheShadows

The biggest problem with GvG is not having a limit on the size of the guild or alliances so we end up with huge zergs taking over the entire world because no one likes to lose.

Rise of Agon is still alive and getting updates.

Phry

PVP MMO's are pretty much one trick ponies, without significant PVE and Social features they tend to fade into obscurity. If Eve Online had relied solely on Corp v Corp or Alliance v Alliance etc. it would have shuttered a decade ago at least.

Wizardry

I was never intrigued by the need to attack some base or town.
I have always preferred PVE only in a rpg setting.

The only time i want any pvp is in an arena shooter where everything is perfectly balanced,aside from latency.NO gear,NO p2w,NO perks,benefits of any kind.You simply join a serve deathmatch and play.

When i am gaming,i do NOT want anyone else trying to distract me from what i am doing.Imagine i am pvp'ing and someone keeps sitting beside me crafting "pve"grrr.Well it is the same if i am crafting and someone is annoying me with pvp.It is no different than real life,your watching a football game,you want people bothering you while you watch,of course not.

So why if i am say building a town/village/fort would i want you attacking me?