This thread has been on quite the ride so far. Star Wars Movies. Disney. Politics. And even the original topic, another MMORPG in the Star Wars universe.
The way the original post was framed, you basically have to buy into the notion that Star Wars is now complete crap in order to answer. Which makes me feel like this thread is less about mmorpgs and more about starting a squabble over Star Wars.
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Solo is easily the best of the new SW movies with a more or less coherent plot, likeable characters, timely humor, and entertaining but not over the top action set pieces. The rest range from forgettable (R1) to downright offensively bad (TLJ).
They're all worse than the prequels, which are underrated by people who didn't understand the political plot going on in the background that brought everything together.
Order best to worst: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Solo, 6, R1
6 would be higher if it didn't have ewoks, but it does and they're a hate crime against Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ aren't on the list. They're non-canon fanfiction.
Solo is easily the best of the new SW movies with a more or less coherent plot, likeable characters, timely humor, and entertaining but not over the top action set pieces. The rest range from forgettable (R1) to downright offensively bad (TLJ).
They're all worse than the prequels, which are underrated by people who didn't understand the political plot going on in the background that brought everything together.
Order best to worst: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Solo, 6, R1
6 would be higher if it didn't have ewoks, but it does and they're a hate crime against Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ aren't on the list. They're non-canon fanfiction.
There is a reason why Solo bombed in the box office, its because it was utter rubbish. Iger and Kennedy have destroyed the IP and all indications are that Starwars IX is going to be trash, and given how many reshoots are being carried out, its going to be very expensive trash.
Solo is easily the best of the new SW movies with a more or less coherent plot, likeable characters, timely humor, and entertaining but not over the top action set pieces. The rest range from forgettable (R1) to downright offensively bad (TLJ).
They're all worse than the prequels, which are underrated by people who didn't understand the political plot going on in the background that brought everything together.
Order best to worst: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Solo, 6, R1
6 would be higher if it didn't have ewoks, but it does and they're a hate crime against Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ aren't on the list. They're non-canon fanfiction.
There is a reason why Solo bombed in the box office, its because it was utter rubbish. Iger and Kennedy have destroyed the IP and all indications are that Starwars IX is going to be trash, and given how many reshoots are being carried out, its going to be very expensive trash.
It bombed because of TLJ, which ruined Luke, and made the previously likeable cast from TFA obnoxiously unlikable. Between TLJ and Disney oversaturating the market with SW product, it didn't do well. In a vacuum, it was pretty solid.
My dream come true would be Lucas being able to buy the franchise back for pennies on the dollar and saying....OK, Disney Star Wars is not canon, let's get back to work. (Not you Kathy)
As far as I'm concerned, TLJ was so unbelievably bad that Episode IX has no chance of working. It left the universe so irreparably damaged that any followup would have to ignore it entirely to work.
As far as I'm concerned, TLJ was so unbelievably bad that Episode IX has no chance of working. It left the universe so irreparably damaged that any followup would have to ignore it entirely to work.
Every movie before Nu-Star Wars was all for nothing.
As far as I'm concerned, TLJ was so unbelievably bad that Episode IX has no chance of working. It left the universe so irreparably damaged that any followup would have to ignore it entirely to work.
If the outline that hit online was correct episode 9 isn't just ignoring 8 but everything that came before. It sounds like a mess that wasn't thought out and makes no sense in the context of any star wars canon. It is probably true though because the sites that posted about it took down their articles quick. Disney got to em
There are a few others that have put up their own opinions with apparently some 'leaked' information, Nerdrotic, Clowfish, Geeks and gamers, well, thats just a few there are obviously a lot more but there is a concensus, i don't think anyone really has any faith in Jar Jar Abrams being able to turn Starwars IX into a decent film, it might even be a bigger flop than Solo! Well perhaps not too surprising since they totally discarded the outlines that George Lucas gave to them, they thought they knew better, but alas, they were deluded.
Empire strikes back and rogue one were the exceptions.
The rest- way overblown
You shut your whore mouth.
Kidding, I generally like SW, and I loved SWG but even I admit not all the movies were the edge of the seat exciting and SWG had way more than its share of issues.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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Lucas fucked up by not focusing on the EU for films.. there are rumors of a KOTOR film in the works though... I guess we will see. IMO Star Wars is a huge brand but would be bigger if the focus wasn't the skywalker family... I'm sick of those people tbh.
That's probaly why I prefer the SWTOR MMO(?) game over the SWG sandbox game. I don't care about the aesthetic of the canon. I love the EU though.
If SWG was set in the EU, it would be the greatest MMO game of all time for me.
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As far as I'm concerned, TLJ was so unbelievably bad that Episode IX has no chance of working. It left the universe so irreparably damaged that any followup would have to ignore it entirely to work.
If the outline that hit online was correct episode 9 isn't just ignoring 8 but everything that came before.
So it's continuing the trend that 7 and 8 established of crapping on everything that came before.
Empire strikes back and rogue one were the exceptions.
The rest- way overblown
You shut your whore mouth.
Kidding, I generally like SW, and I loved SWG but even I admit not all the movies were the edge of the seat exciting and SWG had way more than its share of issues.
oh man I am a Star Wars fan because of the extended universe. If your going with just the movies most of them have major problems. Except for Empire thats a masterpiece. I think people give George to much credit for star wars or have some serious rose tinted glasses.
Pretty much do not care. The "expanded universe" or fanfic bullshit as I like to call it, is mostly utter crap. imo.
also, it's You're* If you are going to criticize other writers work at least know how to write
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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I don't even know who made this last post. When people block quote A quoting B quoting C quoting D quoting B quoting A quoting C .... it produces a hot mess that I just can't follow.
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Solo is easily the best of the new SW movies with a more or less coherent plot, likeable characters, timely humor, and entertaining but not over the top action set pieces. The rest range from forgettable (R1) to downright offensively bad (TLJ).
They're all worse than the prequels, which are underrated by people who didn't understand the political plot going on in the background that brought everything together.
Order best to worst: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Solo, 6, R1
6 would be higher if it didn't have ewoks, but it does and they're a hate crime against Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ aren't on the list. They're non-canon fanfiction.
Interesting order :-)
Mine, from best to worst, is:
6, 4, 3, 5, 1, 7, R1, Solo, 2, 8
I first saw Return as a young kid, so ewoks didn't bother me then and so they still don't. I can understand the issues with them, but they provided a ton of cool visuals (ewok village really captured my imagination back then). Jabba's palace kicks ass, as does the sarlacc scene. It has the best lightsaber battle of the originals, the best space battle of the originals.
Empire, on the otherhand, I think is overrated. In terms of story and lore, sure, it was one of the best written and it filled out the lore on jedi and Vader really well. Can't fault it for that, I just don't care. But, once they leave Hoth, I'm just bored. The training, whilst interesting, is boring to watch. Everything on Bespin pretty much sucks, with the exception of the Luke v Vader fight.
But, it's all personal preference. I don't watch movies for story. I like it when it exists and is good, but I've always found that reading a book provides me with superior stories and greater attachment to characters so I'm always a little jaded about sub-par story in films. This is especially true of the SW franchise, which has always had generic stories. Films are more about the visuals - it's what they do better than other art forms, just like games are about gameplay.
Finally, yeh, The Last Jedi sucked donkey balls. I was speechless when I left the cinema, literally couldn't find words to describe the film. I could see what that turd Rian was attempting to do, but the execution was just abysmal. I did actually enjoy solo (though would have been tons better without Emilia Clarke. she may be a great dragon queen, but she sucked in solo). I won't be seeing 9 in the cinema.
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The movies are all done. A last-ditch effort is to get the Marvel guy to make the movies. Should just drop the Skywalker stuff and hire an all-new cast and do old republic stories. Get rid of Ray and all the other characters and start fresh.
Solo is easily the best of the new SW movies with a more or less coherent plot, likeable characters, timely humor, and entertaining but not over the top action set pieces. The rest range from forgettable (R1) to downright offensively bad (TLJ).
They're all worse than the prequels, which are underrated by people who didn't understand the political plot going on in the background that brought everything together.
Order best to worst: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Solo, 6, R1
6 would be higher if it didn't have ewoks, but it does and they're a hate crime against Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ aren't on the list. They're non-canon fanfiction.
Interesting order :-)
Mine, from best to worst, is:
6, 4, 3, 5, 1, 7, R1, Solo, 2, 8
I first saw Return as a young kid, so ewoks didn't bother me then and so they still don't. I can understand the issues with them, but they provided a ton of cool visuals (ewok village really captured my imagination back then). Jabba's palace kicks ass, as does the sarlacc scene. It has the best lightsaber battle of the originals, the best space battle of the originals.
Empire, on the otherhand, I think is overrated. In terms of story and lore, sure, it was one of the best written and it filled out the lore on jedi and Vader really well. Can't fault it for that, I just don't care. But, once they leave Hoth, I'm just bored. The training, whilst interesting, is boring to watch. Everything on Bespin pretty much sucks, with the exception of the Luke v Vader fight.
But, it's all personal preference. I don't watch movies for story. I like it when it exists and is good, but I've always found that reading a book provides me with superior stories and greater attachment to characters so I'm always a little jaded about sub-par story in films. This is especially true of the SW franchise, which has always had generic stories. Films are more about the visuals - it's what they do better than other art forms, just like games are about gameplay.
Finally, yeh, The Last Jedi sucked donkey balls. I was speechless when I left the cinema, literally couldn't find words to describe the film. I could see what that turd Rian was attempting to do, but the execution was just abysmal. I did actually enjoy solo (though would have been tons better without Emilia Clarke. she may be a great dragon queen, but she sucked in solo). I won't be seeing 9 in the cinema.
I am a 4, 5, 6, 1, R1, 3, Solo, 7, 2/8 Glad to see another face so high on 1. I am a firm believer in that Star wars is only as cheap as you want it too be. Any of these "Star wars is ruined" opinions are fine to have but the franchise was just missed managed not Destroyed.
Personally I loved Luke in the Last Jedi ((about the only part that was any good in my opinion ) people complain that luck never would have turned on Ben or that he wouldn't lose his optimism, on that I am not so sure...He had to constantly fight for approval from a bunch of dead guys he really only knew for a very short period to revive an ancient Buddhist culture that was trained "improperly" on, learned their History of being tricked and corrupted by a small amount of traitors and one super powerful dude. Couple that with the extreme pressure of working with your nephew and being ultimately responsible for him to believe everything you weren't taught. Rain gave Luke flaws im fine with that. To Deal with his newfound sense of disillusion in himself and the Jedi he retreated and interrupted the "bringing balance" in a way that makes perfect sense for his state of being. (Rest of movie is pretty bad, Made a quick rewrite into a few places that really doesn't make the movie good but would have made it have a lot connectivity to the rest of the Star Wars Universe. (like you I understand what Rain was trying to do in most parts but it was executed poorly or obviously and obtusely heavy handed.
I believe that Disney (now) knows their laissez faire to directors and story-boarding days are done and they cant expect Star Wars to sell on name alone. Feloni (Director and Co Creator of both Clone Wars and Rebels ) (Watch these programs!) has executive producer status on The Mandalonrian and Directed an episode ( I have high hopes ) There are 2 separate trilogies on the way separate from Skywalker cannon both with directors locked in (think what you will about Dan and David of GOT and Rain Johnson but atleast it should give them the ability to have continuity in their own films)
I knew Star Wars would turn out poorly when they were moving directors around. This fanbase will nitpick anything and Disney didnt even give themselves a fighting chance.
(not getting into politics or "but forced diversity " or any of that garbage that you exclusively hear online)
As far as an MMO, look what EA has done with the Star Wars (since they have exclusive rights ) a ton of mobile games, two battlefronts , and now a single player story game that will have plenty of Day one DLC (they have stated on lootboxes or microtranactions but I an not buying a lack of unnecessary DLC )
no I do not believe that we will see another MMO in the SWTOR or SWG if anything we will see something more akin to Destiny or a multiplayer Dragon Age (dungeon crawler/looter shooter) that will be MMO Light (although if it had raids like destiny that is pretty hype )
My dream come true would be Lucas being able to buy the franchise back for pennies on the dollar and saying....OK, Disney Star Wars is not canon, let's get back to work. (Not you Kathy)
but oh well.
Oh please, Lucas can't do any better. Medichlorians are all that I should have to say. He's the last person I'd want to have the franchise back. At least with Disney they can flush whatever isn't working and start again in a few years. Lucas waited decades and then still made a shit show of it.
My order would be 4, 5, 6, R1, and then all those other movies in no particular order. I haven't seen Solo yet, maybe someday. IX I'll watch on Disney when it hits streaming.
I never understood the complaints about Medi-chlorians. It's a science fantasy series, so you shouldn't be surprised that an advanced civilization that has used the Force for tens of thousands of years has discovered the mechanisms for how it works.
MC don't take anything away from the mystical nature of the Force, they are just the biological interface that allows people to use the Force.
My dream come true would be Lucas being able to buy the franchise back for pennies on the dollar and saying....OK, Disney Star Wars is not canon, let's get back to work. (Not you Kathy)
but oh well.
Oh please, Lucas can't do any better. Medichlorians are all that I should have to say. He's the last person I'd want to have the franchise back. At least with Disney they can flush whatever isn't working and start again in a few years. Lucas waited decades and then still made a shit show of it.
My order would be 4, 5, 6, R1, and then all those other movies in no particular order. I haven't seen Solo yet, maybe someday. IX I'll watch on Disney when it hits streaming.
I never understood the complaints about Medi-chlorians. It's a science fantasy series, so you shouldn't be surprised that an advanced civilization that has used the Force for tens of thousands of years has discovered the mechanisms for how it works.
MC don't take anything away from the mystical nature of the Force, they are just the biological interface that allows people to use the Force.
And this is how SW got where it's at today. Let's rewrite history starting at Episode 1. Because The Force was a mystical religion, not a bacterial infection. Because their "science-fantasy" treatment of the topic is pathetic from any perspective - science, fantasy, space opera... whatever.
Anyway, they're not the real problem, just the indicator that an IP tried to take itself way too seriously. The Star Trek franchise can usually get away with it because they at least try set a plausible and somewhat consistent framework. Star Wars left a bunch of obnoxious holes at the end of 6, shredded any semblance of dignity starting at 1, and each successive title has only signaled there is no strong central creative force driving the IP.
This isn't the fault of the IP but mostly Lucas and then Disney's poor vision and focus. Lucas couldn't pull together a coherent vision and Disney feels like it's running the IP with a bunch of college interns who spend too much time on social media. So yeah, MC are a joke that are just a signpost for deeper problems.
I always thought "medi-chlorians" sounded close enough to mitochondria to make it sound sciency
But yeah, SW has always been a mish-mash of science and fantasy but heavily leaning to fantasy. Contrast that with The Expanse which is an honest attempt at classical science-based, scifi. It hardly ever ends well when fantasy series try to inject science into their IP.
As a long time scifi fan, I used to get annoyed when bookstores started lumping fantasy and scifi together on the shelves. But it's a lost cause - very few can even tell the difference these days. Even Netflix lumps them together now.
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I am sorry. I try to be polite as much as I can but everything you wrote sounds crazy.
Plus those "hateful few," are alot of people. I mean Star Wars (besides from Solo) make a lot of money. Not only that but Disney raked in the dough this summer. Maybe your just in the minority. Plus as someone who works in Hollywood as a writer I can safely that not as many things as people thing are done for "Woke" reasons.
I am currently in a writers room for an upcoming TV show one character will probably be made black instead of white as in the book. We aren't doing it to check a box but because she is truly right for the role. Now this series is based off an existing IP but nothing big so not enough people will care. They will just watch it not knowing any better.
I have it on good faith however that Disney/Marvel are thinking about making Professor X and Magneto black. Not to be Woke but because they want to sign these guys to multiple movies over 10 years or more. Hopefully signing them to more movies after. So to do that they don't want to make Magneto a jewish man who was in a concentration camp in WW2. They would have to cast a 80 year old man for that.
So instead they want to make Magneto black and have his character from the times of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King JR. If they do go this way and lets face it they most likely will. People will say Disney is woke but in reality they don't want to worry about an old guy croaking half way through his contract.
This way they are safe.
To each their own. I like the real Professor X and Magneto. I was pissed when Batman cast Hardy as Bane. Bane is a specific character with a specific origin story. Tell your fellow writers, the directors, and casting people if they want fans to support their content have respect for the content.
I don't want characters that are lightly flavored by the character they are "based" on. I want the character to be the actual character.
And it doesn't matter if the person writing, directing, or casting realize they are woke or are woke. That nonsense just kills actual good content and makes tripe not worth spending money on or supporting in any way financially. If you are going to come up with basically your own characters or origins make new characters or pick characters that don't have solid back stories. The Killing Joke wasn't supposed to be cannon and was ambiguous (and, in my opinion, bad) - that allows creativity for movies like the new Joker movie.
More and more people like me are turning away from the absolute shit coming out of Hollywood and are heavily financing alternative sources of entertainment that focus on telling interesting, good stories first and foremost. It may have been a trickle until now, but it will turn into a flood as more and more people realize they can spend money on actual entertainment and not a Sunday sermon wrapped in a movie (and how easy it is to pirate the proselytization-indoctrination videos, or just plain shit stories coming out of Hollywood instead of wasting our hard earned money on it). I wish all the good comic writers would form a new BOOM! comics instead of being so spread out and being individually funded. They had some really great stories and runs.
I'm not saying your wrong or that Magneto or Professor X should be african-american. I am not even 100% sure that is what is going to be the outcome. I just know it is something that is heavily discussed.
IMO I think that they should pull the x-men from another universe or just make a separate universe with the x-men altogether. X-men have so many unique characters that they can make a MCU just about the X-men.
I don't think skin color is all that significant within limits. Bane is Hispanic and that is intrinsic, specific, and core to his origin and character, Magneto is a white Jew who was a holocaust survivor (which is absolutely significant to the character). Professor X could have a change in skin hue and it wouldn't matter as he comes from a culture where it is plausible to do so and have the same exact upbringing and backstory.
Changing Peter Parker to gay makes him not Peter Parker. Just make a new character if you want to make significant changes to a character, like with the Spiderverse movie. Or changing character's genders, like I've seen discussed. Just make a new character. This is well established in the comics as well. Changing Fury to black didn't change Fury's actual character in the comics (and has little impact on Fury's original origin in WW2 since even my unit, the 82nd, had an all black battalion in WW2 (the 555). It was a superficial change. Samuel Jackson made Fury into Samuel Jackson, which is infuriating.
I think everyone would be better served if character's where written to be the actual character instead of constantly being updated and revised, and actors tried to act as the character, instead of trying to put their stamp and spin on it and making a whole new character. And if they stuck to when the characters sold well. And, instead of focusing on the MCU and DCU newer hip/woke updates and revisions that didn't sell and were not popular - focus on the popular versions of the character when the book actually sold well. The new Dredd movie may not have been a blockbuster, but it was an instant cult classic and loved by most fans. Because it tried to be an actual Dredd movie with an actor trying to be Dredd and writers who wrote actual Dredd, unlike the Stallone one, and unlike the new woke Dredd in the comics that no one likes, reads, or buys.
I wish there was some version of the Hippocratic Oath Hollywood people had to take, where they swore to do no harm to the source and presentation of a character and treat all source material with the same respect Shakespear's dialogue always gets.
My dream come true would be Lucas being able to buy the franchise back for pennies on the dollar and saying....OK, Disney Star Wars is not canon, let's get back to work. (Not you Kathy)
but oh well.
Oh please, Lucas can't do any better. Medichlorians are all that I should have to say. He's the last person I'd want to have the franchise back. At least with Disney they can flush whatever isn't working and start again in a few years. Lucas waited decades and then still made a shit show of it.
My order would be 4, 5, 6, R1, and then all those other movies in no particular order. I haven't seen Solo yet, maybe someday. IX I'll watch on Disney when it hits streaming.
I never understood the complaints about Medi-chlorians. It's a science fantasy series, so you shouldn't be surprised that an advanced civilization that has used the Force for tens of thousands of years has discovered the mechanisms for how it works.
MC don't take anything away from the mystical nature of the Force, they are just the biological interface that allows people to use the Force.
And this is how SW got where it's at today. Let's rewrite history starting at Episode 1. Because The Force was a mystical religion, not a bacterial infection. Because their "science-fantasy" treatment of the topic is pathetic from any perspective - science, fantasy, space opera... whatever.
Anyway, they're not the real problem, just the indicator that an IP tried to take itself way too seriously. The Star Trek franchise can usually get away with it because they at least try set a plausible and somewhat consistent framework. Star Wars left a bunch of obnoxious holes at the end of 6, shredded any semblance of dignity starting at 1, and each successive title has only signaled there is no strong central creative force driving the IP.
This isn't the fault of the IP but mostly Lucas and then Disney's poor vision and focus. Lucas couldn't pull together a coherent vision and Disney feels like it's running the IP with a bunch of college interns who spend too much time on social media. So yeah, MC are a joke that are just a signpost for deeper problems.
I fully understand that when you know WHY or HOW, you might have a diminished fascination with a thing. But, imo, Midichlorians didn't really damage the concept of the Force, they're simply your Router(or what have you).
Though I'd like to understand why the MCs caused such an uproar.
I agree. MCs weren't the massive damaging retcon that people seem to think they were. At worst, they're a "why did we need this?"
Now, TLJ establishing that the force has a will of its own and will automatically balance out a chosen of the light to meet the dark (and vice versa) is straight up bullshit and will have to be handwaved away if the franchise is to have any future.
I agree. MCs weren't the massive damaging retcon that people seem to think they were. At worst, they're a "why did we need this?"
Now, TLJ establishing that the force has a will of its own and will automatically balance out a chosen of the light to meet the dark (and vice versa) is straight up bullshit and will have to be handwaved away if the franchise is to have any future.
I agree. Also, wasn't there (at least) a millennia of peace right before episode 1 where there was only the light side and no Sith? I don't know if that is cannon, but the prosperity of the Republic and relative prosperity and safety of its citizens under the Jedi order (light side), getting ruined under the dark side kind of contradicts this new message of sought balance.
I agree. MCs weren't the massive damaging retcon that people seem to think they were. At worst, they're a "why did we need this?"
Now, TLJ establishing that the force has a will of its own and will automatically balance out a chosen of the light to meet the dark (and vice versa) is straight up bullshit and will have to be handwaved away if the franchise is to have any future.
I agree. Also, wasn't there (at least) a millennia of peace right before episode 1 where there was only the light side and no Sith? I don't know if that is cannon, but the prosperity of the Republic and relative prosperity and safety of its citizens under the Jedi order (light side), getting ruined under the dark side kind of contradicts this new message of sought balance.
There were Sith, it's just that they were essentially just surviving, training, and murdering eachother as per the rule of 2. Their philosophy shifted from open armies to subterfuge and perfectionism, with Palpatine being the culmination of this.
However, even so, TLJ contradicts this. A milennia of structured training to build the perfect Sith has no purpose if the force can just make the Jedi with no training equally powerful and vice versa.
Empire strikes back and rogue one were the exceptions.
The rest- way overblown
You shut your whore mouth.
Kidding, I generally like SW, and I loved SWG but even I admit not all the movies were the edge of the seat exciting and SWG had way more than its share of issues.
oh man I am a Star Wars fan because of the extended universe. If your going with just the movies most of them have major problems. Except for Empire thats a masterpiece. I think people give George to much credit for star wars or have some serious rose tinted glasses.
Pretty much do not care. The "expanded universe" or fanfic bullshit as I like to call it, is mostly utter crap. imo.
also, it's You're* If you are going to criticize other writers work at least know how to write
Empire strikes back and rogue one were the exceptions.
The rest- way overblown
You shut your whore mouth.
Kidding, I generally like SW, and I loved SWG but even I admit not all the movies were the edge of the seat exciting and SWG had way more than its share of issues.
oh man I am a Star Wars fan because of the extended universe. If your going with just the movies most of them have major problems. Except for Empire thats a masterpiece. I think people give George to much credit for star wars or have some serious rose tinted glasses.
Pretty much do not care. The "expanded universe" or fanfic bullshit as I like to call it, is mostly utter crap. imo.
also, it's You're* If you are going to criticize other writers work at least know how to write
You don't need to know proper grammar to criticize someone's work. Just like you don't need to be an actor to know if someones acting is bad. He put it out there I am allowed to state my opinion unpopular or not.
I have never attacked you for liking or disliking anything
I assume because I don't quote you to discuss things you care nothing about. Also, it's not an "attack" it's stating that I don't care about your opinion on this particular topic, why I do not care about your opinion on this particular topic and my opinion on the particular topic since you insisted.
Lucas made a few million of his supposed lack of talent, you can't even write an intelligent sentence, pretty much invalidates your opinion on the topic. imo.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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I was burned bad by SWTOR (and the propaganda that Bioware put out for that game prior to release) and the closing of SWG so any future SW MMO I will never purchase outright anymore.
Besides, the classic MMO market is dead, no studio is going to dare spend millions on a SW MMO (which is what it takes) these days. SWTOR is the most expensive MMO developed in existence and it failed hard (not sure if they fully recouped their costs), the risk/reward ratio is just too high.
And again, the MMO market is really dead, people don't want to pay subscription fees anymore, and especially not for half assed games.
Hence why the next SW is a single player game.
The current market is all about single player games, or garbage level multiplayer games & mobile games filled to the crack by microtransactions.
Happy I at least experienced the golden age of MMOs as a kid in the 2000s with DAOC and so on.
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
but oh well.
Kidding, I generally like SW, and I loved SWG but even I admit not all the movies were the edge of the seat exciting and SWG had way more than its share of issues.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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Lucas fucked up by not focusing on the EU for films.. there are rumors of a KOTOR film in the works though... I guess we will see. IMO Star Wars is a huge brand but would be bigger if the focus wasn't the skywalker family... I'm sick of those people tbh.
That's probaly why I prefer the SWTOR MMO(?) game over the SWG sandbox game. I don't care about the aesthetic of the canon. I love the EU though.
If SWG was set in the EU, it would be the greatest MMO game of all time for me.
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If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
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I am a 4, 5, 6, 1, R1, 3, Solo, 7, 2/8 Glad to see another face so high on 1. I am a firm believer in that Star wars is only as cheap as you want it too be. Any of these "Star wars is ruined" opinions are fine to have but the franchise was just missed managed not Destroyed.
Personally I loved Luke in the Last Jedi ((about the only part that was any good in my opinion ) people complain that luck never would have turned on Ben or that he wouldn't lose his optimism, on that I am not so sure...He had to constantly fight for approval from a bunch of dead guys he really only knew for a very short period to revive an ancient Buddhist culture that was trained "improperly" on, learned their History of being tricked and corrupted by a small amount of traitors and one super powerful dude. Couple that with the extreme pressure of working with your nephew and being ultimately responsible for him to believe everything you weren't taught. Rain gave Luke flaws im fine with that. To Deal with his newfound sense of disillusion in himself and the Jedi he retreated and interrupted the "bringing balance" in a way that makes perfect sense for his state of being. (Rest of movie is pretty bad, Made a quick rewrite into a few places that really doesn't make the movie good but would have made it have a lot connectivity to the rest of the Star Wars Universe. (like you I understand what Rain was trying to do in most parts but it was executed poorly or obviously and obtusely heavy handed.
I believe that Disney (now) knows their laissez faire to directors and story-boarding days are done and they cant expect Star Wars to sell on name alone. Feloni (Director and Co Creator of both Clone Wars and Rebels ) (Watch these programs!) has executive producer status on The Mandalonrian and Directed an episode ( I have high hopes ) There are 2 separate trilogies on the way separate from Skywalker cannon both with directors locked in (think what you will about Dan and David of GOT and Rain Johnson but atleast it should give them the ability to have continuity in their own films)
I knew Star Wars would turn out poorly when they were moving directors around. This fanbase will nitpick anything and Disney didnt even give themselves a fighting chance.
(not getting into politics or "but forced diversity " or any of that garbage that you exclusively hear online)
As far as an MMO, look what EA has done with the Star Wars (since they have exclusive rights ) a ton of mobile games, two battlefronts , and now a single player story game that will have plenty of Day one DLC (they have stated on lootboxes or microtranactions but I an not buying a lack of unnecessary DLC )
no I do not believe that we will see another MMO in the SWTOR or SWG if anything we will see something more akin to Destiny or a multiplayer Dragon Age (dungeon crawler/looter shooter) that will be MMO Light (although if it had raids like destiny that is pretty hype )
But yeah, SW has always been a mish-mash of science and fantasy but heavily leaning to fantasy. Contrast that with The Expanse which is an honest attempt at classical science-based, scifi. It hardly ever ends well when fantasy series try to inject science into their IP.
As a long time scifi fan, I used to get annoyed when bookstores started lumping fantasy and scifi together on the shelves. But it's a lost cause - very few can even tell the difference these days. Even Netflix lumps them together now.
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I don't want characters that are lightly flavored by the character they are "based" on. I want the character to be the actual character.
And it doesn't matter if the person writing, directing, or casting realize they are woke or are woke. That nonsense just kills actual good content and makes tripe not worth spending money on or supporting in any way financially. If you are going to come up with basically your own characters or origins make new characters or pick characters that don't have solid back stories. The Killing Joke wasn't supposed to be cannon and was ambiguous (and, in my opinion, bad) - that allows creativity for movies like the new Joker movie.
More and more people like me are turning away from the absolute shit coming out of Hollywood and are heavily financing alternative sources of entertainment that focus on telling interesting, good stories first and foremost. It may have been a trickle until now, but it will turn into a flood as more and more people realize they can spend money on actual entertainment and not a Sunday sermon wrapped in a movie (and how easy it is to pirate the proselytization-indoctrination videos, or just plain shit stories coming out of Hollywood instead of wasting our hard earned money on it). I wish all the good comic writers would form a new BOOM! comics instead of being so spread out and being individually funded. They had some really great stories and runs.
Changing Peter Parker to gay makes him not Peter Parker. Just make a new character if you want to make significant changes to a character, like with the Spiderverse movie. Or changing character's genders, like I've seen discussed. Just make a new character. This is well established in the comics as well. Changing Fury to black didn't change Fury's actual character in the comics (and has little impact on Fury's original origin in WW2 since even my unit, the 82nd, had an all black battalion in WW2 (the 555). It was a superficial change. Samuel Jackson made Fury into Samuel Jackson, which is infuriating.
I think everyone would be better served if character's where written to be the actual character instead of constantly being updated and revised, and actors tried to act as the character, instead of trying to put their stamp and spin on it and making a whole new character. And if they stuck to when the characters sold well. And, instead of focusing on the MCU and DCU newer hip/woke updates and revisions that didn't sell and were not popular - focus on the popular versions of the character when the book actually sold well. The new Dredd movie may not have been a blockbuster, but it was an instant cult classic and loved by most fans. Because it tried to be an actual Dredd movie with an actor trying to be Dredd and writers who wrote actual Dredd, unlike the Stallone one, and unlike the new woke Dredd in the comics that no one likes, reads, or buys.
I wish there was some version of the Hippocratic Oath Hollywood people had to take, where they swore to do no harm to the source and presentation of a character and treat all source material with the same respect Shakespear's dialogue always gets.
Now, TLJ establishing that the force has a will of its own and will automatically balance out a chosen of the light to meet the dark (and vice versa) is straight up bullshit and will have to be handwaved away if the franchise is to have any future.
However, even so, TLJ contradicts this. A milennia of structured training to build the perfect Sith has no purpose if the force can just make the Jedi with no training equally powerful and vice versa.
Lucas made a few million of his supposed lack of talent, you can't even write an intelligent sentence, pretty much invalidates your opinion on the topic. imo.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Besides, the classic MMO market is dead, no studio is going to dare spend millions on a SW MMO (which is what it takes) these days. SWTOR is the most expensive MMO developed in existence and it failed hard (not sure if they fully recouped their costs), the risk/reward ratio is just too high.
And again, the MMO market is really dead, people don't want to pay subscription fees anymore, and especially not for half assed games.
Hence why the next SW is a single player game.
The current market is all about single player games, or garbage level multiplayer games & mobile games filled to the crack by microtransactions.
Happy I at least experienced the golden age of MMOs as a kid in the 2000s with DAOC and so on.