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bobbymcswansonbobbymcswanson Member UncommonPosts: 204
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How do you think that it's a good idea to post an article with Blizzard's bullshit explanation for banning the hearthstone player and then not even allow for conversation....shame on you MMORPG.com...it makes it appear as if you are on the side of Blizzard and China when you post their excuses and supresss any other voices.... if you want to appear complicit in that kind of behavior I'mma have to say goodbye to this site
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    edited October 2019
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    ForgrimmcheebaIceAgeFacelessSaviorelveoneMendelzimikeQSatu[Deleted User]krgwynneand 11 others.

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • immoralthangimmoralthang Member RarePosts: 300
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    Did you see the Blizzard representative's Chinese social media post? It definitely turned political after that. 
    FacelessSaviorzimikeWalkinGlennQSatuZenJellyTyranusPrimeAeander[Deleted User]
  • cheebacheeba Member UncommonPosts: 196
    bobbymcswanson said:
    How do you think that it's a good idea to post an article with Blizzard's bullshit explanation for banning the hearthstone player and then not even allow for conversation....shame on you MMORPG.com...it makes it appear as if you are on the side of Blizzard and China when you post their excuses and supresss any other voices.... if you want to appear complicit in that kind of behavior I'mma have to say goodbye to this site
    They are.  Advertising dollars is all that matters to them.  Same as all companies..
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  • cheebacheeba Member UncommonPosts: 196
    edited October 2019
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.


    Was political the second they banned him. 
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Post your videos of you burning Disney products and destroying Iphones and I will start to believe people.
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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    Blizzard is in the right to manage their businesses and their forums and gaming platforms however they like.  If you want to protest do it on your own time on your own dime and not on the back of someones else's hard work or medium.

    I think the internet in general has distorted and blurred the lines for allot of kids, er I mean people.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,053
    edited October 2019
    cheeba said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.


    Was political the second they banned him. 
    And it would have been just as political if they hadn’t.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    Horusra said:
    Post your videos of you burning Disney products and destroying Iphones and I will start to believe people.
    LOL excellent point, but the kids cant make the connection.  The freak out only occurs when it has some relevance to them and they can attach a human form to "rally" around and fill the narcissist buckets a bit.  Its comical to watch the uproar over this.
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    cheeba said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.


    Was political the second they banned him. 
    No it wasn't. It was breaking the rules. What the internet has done, which it does so well, is ignore the facts (rule breaking) and jump on political/social bandwagons.
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    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538
    Did anyone notice that when the response was posted, it was on chinese time, not Blizzard's LA time? They listed it as being posted on the 12th of October, which would have been around 8:30am Chinese time. For people in the US though, it was at night on the 11th. So they posted a response listed as the 12th, when it was on the 11th where Blizzard is at.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    No actually Mike B posted in one of the thread that they are allowed to post articles with politics in them, or of a political bent but we are not allowed to discuss politics
    FacelessSavior

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    edited October 2019
    Arterius said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    I mean normally I would %100 agree but their was no way  this wasn't political. That guy stated his political views and Blizzard had to make a stand. Sure they could have banned him for doing so but all they had to say was, "We are banning him because its against policy but we in no way condone what China is doing."

    They didn't even do that. They were just silent. When they did finally do a statement they didn't apologize or anything.  It looks really bad
    Why do they need to say anything? Whatever is said will be twisted to hell and back by the vapid internet hive minds. They don't "need" to say diddly to you, me, or any other self-entitled internet twit.
    FacelessSaviorZenJellykjempffManWithNoTan

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    edited October 2019
    Asm0deus said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    No actually Mike B posted in one of the thread that they are allowed to post articles with politics in them, or of a political bent but we are not allowed to discuss politics
    Do you OWN MMORPG.com? If not, live by THEIR rules. You have ZERO freedom of speech here. If they want to shut you up or shut you down, they can.

    Either live with it, or take your arrogant "everything is America" mindset to political boards that talk about games. The American Constitution is not written for businesses, or the rest of the world, for that matter.
    IceAgeFacelessSaviorMendelZenJellykjempff

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited October 2019
    Here, from MikeB:



    As I posted elsewhere, this has not changed from how we've handled things for many years now. Editorial is free to cover what they want, but the RoC still applies to comments, so comment threads are closed for politically charged topics.

    We simply do not have the manpower to handle moderating political/religious discussions. We came to that conclusion years ago when we had a bigger team and tried to make it work. It's just not feasible. I apologize for the confusion, but I hope that clears things up.


    and



    There's no conspiracy afoot here. We simply do not allow political discussion on this forum, as many of you know. I apologize for the confusion, but the editorial team is not involved in the community side of the site. They can absolutely continue to tackle this subject matter through editorials, but normal rules apply when it comes to the comments. This is exactly how it's been for many, many years now. Nothing has changed.

    Obviously, the Blizzard situation is important and worth discussing, but we simply do not have the resources to moderate political discussions with the way they often end up. This was explained way back in 2011 and our team is much smaller now.

    kjempff

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    AlBQuirky said:
    Arterius said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    I mean normally I would %100 agree but their was no way  this wasn't political. That guy stated his political views and Blizzard had to make a stand. Sure they could have banned him for doing so but all they had to say was, "We are banning him because its against policy but we in no way condone what China is doing."

    They didn't even do that. They were just silent. When they did finally do a statement they didn't apologize or anything.  It looks really bad
    Why do they need to say anything? Whatever is said will be twisted to hell and back by the vapid internet hive minds. They don't "need" to say diddly to you, me, or any other self-entitled internet twit.
    Explain to me why you're overlooking the obvious reason as to why 'the internet is blowing this out of proportion,' which was the local chinese media saying that Blizzard will continue to uphold the honor of China. Rough translation or otherwise, this was never addressed which is pissing people off. I honestly dont think a lot of people care about Blitzchung (at least I dont) and actually agree that he made it political first, but its about the response.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited October 2019
    AlBQuirky said:
    Asm0deus said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    No actually Mike B posted in one of the thread that they are allowed to post articles with politics in them, or of a political bent but we are not allowed to discuss politics
    Do you OWN MMORPG.com? If not, live by THEIR rules. You have ZERO freedom of speech by anything here. If they want to shut you up or shut you down, they can.

    Either live with it, or take your arrogant "everything is America" mindset to political boards that talk about games. The American Constitution is not written for businesses, or the rest of the world, for that matter.
    Drop the attitude and take a chill pill there mate , was just answering the question as explained by MikeB as your explanation had bugger all to do with the why and why not.

    Really maybe you can take YOUR anti America prejudice and leave it out of your replies it only makes you look bad.  I think this second paragraph just showed your true nature.

    For the record I have no problem with mmorpg.com not wanting political discussions on the boards, I do however think it's kind of hypocritical to then allow editorials/articles on it.


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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Albatroes said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Arterius said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    I mean normally I would %100 agree but their was no way  this wasn't political. That guy stated his political views and Blizzard had to make a stand. Sure they could have banned him for doing so but all they had to say was, "We are banning him because its against policy but we in no way condone what China is doing."

    They didn't even do that. They were just silent. When they did finally do a statement they didn't apologize or anything.  It looks really bad
    Why do they need to say anything? Whatever is said will be twisted to hell and back by the vapid internet hive minds. They don't "need" to say diddly to you, me, or any other self-entitled internet twit.
    Explain to me why you're overlooking the obvious reason as to why 'the internet is blowing this out of proportion,' which was the local chinese media saying that Blizzard will continue to uphold the honor of China. Rough translation or otherwise, this was never addressed which is pissing people off. I honestly dont think a lot of people care about Blitzchung (at least I dont) and actually agree that he made it political first, but its about the response.
    That wasn't the local 'chinese' that was Blizzards statement via weibo, in which Blizzard stated they were angered by Blitzchungs actions and that Blizzard would protect China's Honour and Pride at all costs.
    zimikeTyranusPrimeManWithNoTan
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    edited October 2019
    Albatroes said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Arterius said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    I mean normally I would %100 agree but their was no way  this wasn't political. That guy stated his political views and Blizzard had to make a stand. Sure they could have banned him for doing so but all they had to say was, "We are banning him because its against policy but we in no way condone what China is doing."

    They didn't even do that. They were just silent. When they did finally do a statement they didn't apologize or anything.  It looks really bad
    Why do they need to say anything? Whatever is said will be twisted to hell and back by the vapid internet hive minds. They don't "need" to say diddly to you, me, or any other self-entitled internet twit.
    Explain to me why you're overlooking the obvious reason as to why 'the internet is blowing this out of proportion,' which was the local chinese media saying that Blizzard will continue to uphold the honor of China. Rough translation or otherwise, this was never addressed which is pissing people off. I honestly dont think a lot of people care about Blitzchung (at least I dont) and actually agree that he made it political first, but its about the response.
    Really? My local news station has missed this story, somehow. Or od you mean the hivemind internet so-called news outlets. Why do you think the asshole used Blizzard's venue to spout his meme making, trigger words? Worked like a charm didn't it.

    Did you know... Hong Kong went BACK to Chinese rule in 1999. This isn't "BIG NEWS!!!11!!!" for people who are educated.
    PhryZenJelly

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    AlBQuirky said:
    Albatroes said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Arterius said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    I mean normally I would %100 agree but their was no way  this wasn't political. That guy stated his political views and Blizzard had to make a stand. Sure they could have banned him for doing so but all they had to say was, "We are banning him because its against policy but we in no way condone what China is doing."

    They didn't even do that. They were just silent. When they did finally do a statement they didn't apologize or anything.  It looks really bad
    Why do they need to say anything? Whatever is said will be twisted to hell and back by the vapid internet hive minds. They don't "need" to say diddly to you, me, or any other self-entitled internet twit.
    Explain to me why you're overlooking the obvious reason as to why 'the internet is blowing this out of proportion,' which was the local chinese media saying that Blizzard will continue to uphold the honor of China. Rough translation or otherwise, this was never addressed which is pissing people off. I honestly dont think a lot of people care about Blitzchung (at least I dont) and actually agree that he made it political first, but its about the response.
    Really? My local news station has missed this story, somehow. Or od you mean the hivemind internet so-called news outlets. Why do you think the asshole used Blizzard's venue to spout his meme making, trigger words? Worked like a charm didn't it.

    Did you know... Hong Kong went BACK to Chinese rule in 1999. This isn't "BIG NEWS!!!11!!!" for people who are educated.
    Its peoples reactions to this whole debacle that exposes who the real 'assholes' are.
    AlBQuirkyAsm0deus
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    edited October 2019
    AlBQuirky said:
    Asm0deus said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Because it is simple with no explanation needed.

    The player broke the rules. Blizzard enforced the rules. The Internet is making it all about politics, which it is not.
    No actually Mike B posted in one of the thread that they are allowed to post articles with politics in them, or of a political bent but we are not allowed to discuss politics
    Do you OWN MMORPG.com? If not, live by THEIR rules. You have ZERO freedom of speech here. If they want to shut you up or shut you down, they can.

    Either live with it, or take your arrogant "everything is America" mindset to political boards that talk about games. The American Constitution is not written for businesses, or the rest of the world, for that matter.
    While I agree with 100% of what you said, I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy or at least, that's how I read it. 

    MMORPG.com is going to have a hard time competing with sites like reddit and 4chan if MMORPG.com is going to stick to a "no politics" rule (for you, not them).

    More and more, studios and their employees are becoming political and is usually the top news being discussed everywhere else on the internet, except here.

    I think MMORPG.com already has a political undertone in past articles and obviously a bias for one side of the political spectrum. Just don't dare get the upper-hand in those threads if you're on the other side of the spectrum. Especially if you provide links to citations backing your argument. It's an insta-timeout.

    I'm with you, "Their house, their rules." But, there are plenty of other, more popular places to discuss gaming news that don't blur the lines and then punish their community for it.
    Asm0deusklash2defAlBQuirky
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    AlBQuirky said:
    Albatroes said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Arterius said:
    AlBQuirky said:


    Did you know... Hong Kong went BACK to Chinese rule in 1999. This isn't "BIG NEWS!!!11!!!" for people who are educated.
    Fun fact, when I was in the Marines, I was with the 31st MEU SOC, sitting off the coast of Hong Kong during that turnover. Nobody knew what to expect from China, but we were there to protect people if it came to that.
    AlBQuirky
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  • FacelessSaviorFacelessSavior Member UncommonPosts: 188
    If you don't want political comment threads, don't post political shit then? I mean, MMORPG could just not cover politics or religion right? I'm pretty sure no one comes here for any of your political or religious opinions anyway?  And yet, in posting it, you've taken a side, and decided not to let anyone else express there's? Seems like the site has a lot in common with China. :D 
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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    As i pointed out in a video recently... Blizzard can not afford to miss out on the Chinese market. So while this in most other contexts would have been milder.. They had to slap down hard. But make no mistake.. Anyone who tries to promote their own agenda would have been slapped own... Blizzard only like to get political when they control the entire narrativ. Good example is Pride... 

    Was this political... sure... everything is. But not unexpected. 

    Also to be a bit somber... 

    Getting kicked out of the Ch market = less profit = demands of downsizing = people getting fired... 

    What would you choose if you was the one who had to do the workplace terminations.?  
    AlBQuirky

    This have been a good conversation

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    What I want to know is where are all the people who are always trotting out "get woke, go broke" or calling others SJW when it's all about a political issue they don't like?

    It sure sounds to me like the message to Blizzard is "Don't get woke, go broke" now that they're the SJWs. I hope this means you've finally outgrown your slogans now that you've finally found something to get outraged about. :)

    See, the thing is that big corporations including movie and game studios always do and say shit that they think is best for their bottom line... always. Sometimes those things are political and sometimes they're painfully a-political, but it never validates nor invalidates the underlying politics. They're just PR assholes being PR assholes... always.

    But the underlying issues are real.

    The Chinese government does suck and they have sucked for 70 years and the Chinese people have suffered for it. Just the same as misogyny and racism suck and women and visible minorities have suffered for it.

    Same shit of people in power being shitty to people without power. That's the reality behind the shallow "SJW" and "woke" hive mind slogans.
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Iselin said:
    What I want to know is where are all the people who are always trotting out "get woke, go broke" or calling others SJW when it's all about a political issue they don't like?

    It sure sounds to me like the message to Blizzard is "Don't get woke, go broke" now that they're the SJWs. I hope this means you've finally outgrown your slogans now that you've finally found something to get outraged about. :)

    See, the thing is that big corporations including movie and game studios always do and say shit that they think is best for their bottom line... always. Sometimes those things are political and sometimes they're painfully a-political, but it never validates nor invalidates the underlying politics. They're just PR assholes being PR assholes... always.

    But the underlying issues are real.

    The Chinese government does suck and they have sucked for 70 years and the Chinese people have suffered for it. Just the same as misogyny and racism suck and women and visible minorities have suffered for it.

    Same shit of people in power being shitty to people without power. That's the reality behind the shallow "SJW" and "woke" hive mind slogans.

    FlyByKnightCaffynatedZenJelly[Deleted User]
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