Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
Tired of controlling someone else's characters in these games. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Elder Scrolls has a pre-determined character you will be forced to play.
I have reservations about "generic white male actor #47" they got for this, but i'll reserve judgement until I see/experience the performance which is, after all, why they would hire an actor to play the main protagonist vs. a create-your-own protagonist.
Tired of controlling someone else's characters in these games. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Elder Scrolls has a pre-determined character you will be forced to play.
Two different types of games. One is trying to tell you a good story and the other is trying to let you make your own story. There's a place for both, and frankly, the former typically makes for a better experience. I'll take a Witcher 3 over an Elder Scrolls any day.
I wouldn't expect the Elder Scrolls to ever use premade characters, because the idea of Bethesda having to lean on their story writing is funny. They aren't CDProjekt. It would only kill everything people like about their games while highlighting their flaws.
Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
I was going to say, I am on the side of the critics with this one.
Exactly as you say, the mob, most likely a small, extremely invested, extremely opinionated and disenfranchised lot trolled the voting because the movie in their souls wasn't made.
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Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
I don't expect an edgy movie. I don't expect a movie to include every fan theory ever or be "the movie in my head" like certain fanboys seem to insist is the case.
I do, however, expect a movie to answer the questions it and its predecessors lay out with more than a "who cares?" That's what The Last Jedi does. Every time there is a mystery, it shrugs and says "whatever, fuck it." Rey is no one and Snoke never mattered. It doesn't posit or flesh out anything, but rather wipes the slate blank. Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. It leaves the universe in an awkward place going forward.
I do not care what your answers are, but you should have answers, and they should make sense.
(Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
I'm just hoping they don't do a u-turn on Rey and claim she is related to someone we know of (including EU).
I'm looking forwarded to the Knights of Ren.
I'm not even sure if they could do a u-turn. You would either have to say that Kylo is a liar, or you'd have to pull some bullshit like "but I never said who your grandparents were, hyuk!"
Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
I think it is more along the lines that they saw "whichever" movies and they expect everything to be the same. Not expanding it, not seeing what other things can be done with it.
Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
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Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
I think it is more along the lines that they saw "whichever" movies and they expect everything to be the same. Not expanding it, not seeing what other things can be done with it.
Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
I think a discussion on the merits of subversion and what constitutes effective subversion might be warranted. You seem to be under the impression that all subversion is good subversion, or at least that the hate for TLJ (and Game of Thrones) stems from it being subversive.
Indeed, I could actually take the time to present examples of very effective and genuinely surprising subversion that enrich their narratives rather than demolish them. For now, to avoid spoilers, I'll just say that two particular Brandon Sanderson series - Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive - show how expectations can genuinely be thwarted in the best possible ways. And not in small ways either.
One even goes so far as to have a secondary character go through a complete, introspective, and visible heroes' journey while the reader is focused on a decoy protagonist.
Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
I think it is more along the lines that they saw "whichever" movies and they expect everything to be the same. Not expanding it, not seeing what other things can be done with it.
Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
I think a discussion on the merits of subversion and what constitutes effective subversion might be warranted. You seem to be under the impression that all subversion is good subversion, or at least that the hate for TLJ (and Game of Thrones) stems from it being subversive.
Indeed, I could actually take the time to present examples of very effective and genuinely surprising subversion that enrich their narratives rather than demolish them. For now, to avoid spoilers, I'll just say that two particular Brandon Sanderson series - Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive - show how expectations can genuinely be thwarted in the best possible ways. And not in small ways either. One even goes so far as to have a secondary character go through a complete, introspective, and visible heroes' journey while the reader is focused on a decoy protagonist.
I'm all for subversion (in the context you present it) if it works and is done well. Of course, "done well" is not only subjective but is also dependent on what the property/context is.
Not everything requires it and not everything requires it to be so involved. Then again, sometimes playing around with things that are normally straight forward yields great results and sometimes it's not necessary.
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I don't expect an edgy movie. I don't expect a movie to include every fan theory ever or be "the movie in my head" like certain fanboys seem to insist is the case.
I do, however, expect a movie to answer the questions it and its predecessors lay out with more than a "who cares?" That's what The Last Jedi does. Every time there is a mystery, it shrugs and says "whatever, fuck it." Rey is no one and Snoke never mattered. It doesn't posit or flesh out anything, but rather wipes the slate blank. Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. It leaves the universe in an awkward place going forward.
I do not care what your answers are, but you should have answers, and they should make sense.
You're reading into Star Wars a bit too much me thinks. It's not that deep bro.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
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Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
Not at all, the 2nd act was perfect in subverting expectations and delivering actual surprises instead of the tried and true formula of Episode 7.
Why is that different? Because there is a 3rd act that now has to play in the world left after the cataclysmic events of Episode 8. You know, kind of like how Episode 5 "broke" Star Wars and then RotJ delivered an absolutely smashing conclusion.
RotJ did so without altering or diminishing the importance of the events in ESB. That is my hope for Ep 9, that it delivers a smashing conclusion without altering or diminishing the events of TLJ.
It would be a damn shame for Disney/JJ to cave to the trolls and head-cannon "purists" who pissed all over TLJ and try and idiotically "correct" what happens in TLJ.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
You think Snoke was the main villain? LOL
Dude... the Emperor was in about 10 minutes of the original trilogy too. Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader before him, is the main villain of this trilogy.
Palpatine was certainly the main villain of the prequel trilogy.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Why wouldn't it be?
At the end of the last Star Wars movie "something happens" and people freaked out. Forums lit up, people were angry and yet there is a whole other movie that "anything can happen."
Additionally, I think it's awesome that they expand the idea of what he force can do. Certainly, in my opinion, better than midichlorians. I don't, in my heart, accept that and just ignore it.
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Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
You think Snoke was the main villain? LOL
Dude... the Emperor was in about 10 minutes of the original trilogy too. Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader before him, is the main villain of this trilogy.
Palpatine was certainly the main villain of the prequel trilogy.
Good to know that Hitler's generals were the main villains of World War II and not the man himself. Good to know.
And yes, references to facism and Nazism are prudent when the universe in question contains so many on the nose visual references to generic fascism.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Why wouldn't it be?
At the end of the last Star Wars movie "something happens" and people freaked out. Forums lit up, people were angry and yet there is a whole other movie that "anything can happen."
Additionally, I think it's awesome that they expand the idea of what he force can do. Certainly, in my opinion, better than midichlorians. I don't, in my heart, accept that and just ignore it.
Midichlorians just pointlessly explain the existing mechanics of the force. TLJ actually changes the mechanics of the force in contradiction to existing knowledge.
That doesn't make the midichlorians good, mind you. It just makes them not as bad.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Why wouldn't it be?
At the end of the last Star Wars movie "something happens" and people freaked out. Forums lit up, people were angry and yet there is a whole other movie that "anything can happen."
Additionally, I think it's awesome that they expand the idea of what he force can do. Certainly, in my opinion, better than midichlorians. I don't, in my heart, accept that and just ignore it.
To be fair none of us gave a pass to Jar Jar, midichlorians, "I hate sand" or any of the other extremely terrible things Lucas did in the prequel trilogy.
Even still, those movies gave us Darth Maul, Ewan McGregor Obi, and the Clone Wars.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
You think Snoke was the main villain? LOL
Dude... the Emperor was in about 10 minutes of the original trilogy too. Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader before him, is the main villain of this trilogy.
Palpatine was certainly the main villain of the prequel trilogy.
Good to know that Hitler's generals were the main villains of World War II and not the man himself. Good to know.
And yes, references to facism and Nazism are prudent when the universe in question contains so many on the nose visual references to generic fascism.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Why wouldn't it be?
At the end of the last Star Wars movie "something happens" and people freaked out. Forums lit up, people were angry and yet there is a whole other movie that "anything can happen."
Additionally, I think it's awesome that they expand the idea of what he force can do. Certainly, in my opinion, better than midichlorians. I don't, in my heart, accept that and just ignore it.
Midichlorians just pointlessly explain the existing mechanics of the force. TLJ actually changes the mechanics of the force in contradiction to existing knowledge.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
You think Snoke was the main villain? LOL
Dude... the Emperor was in about 10 minutes of the original trilogy too. Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader before him, is the main villain of this trilogy.
Palpatine was certainly the main villain of the prequel trilogy.
Good to know that Hitler's generals were the main villains of World War II and not the man himself. Good to know.
And yes, references to facism and Nazism are prudent when the universe in question contains so many on the nose visual references to generic fascism.
Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function.
Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?
Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work).
Don't be a hypocrite now.
But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
Is it a good point? Is it really?
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Why wouldn't it be?
At the end of the last Star Wars movie "something happens" and people freaked out. Forums lit up, people were angry and yet there is a whole other movie that "anything can happen."
Additionally, I think it's awesome that they expand the idea of what he force can do. Certainly, in my opinion, better than midichlorians. I don't, in my heart, accept that and just ignore it.
Midichlorians just pointlessly explain the existing mechanics of the force. TLJ actually changes the mechanics of the force in contradiction to existing knowledge.
Godwins LAW! No way!
Tell me with a straight face that such is in any way inapproriate after Hux's big speech scene in TFA. Go on. Try me.
Of course Star Wars has always had obvious reference to generic/Nazi fascism, it's just hilarious to me to see such a cut-and-dry example of Godwin's law coming into play in this discussion!
Palpatine certainly does have Hitler-esque rise to power, the prequels make that connection very clear, but as with real-life fascism it's far too easy and simple to blame the man on top, 99.99% of the atrocities are committed by the soldiers and generals on the front lines.
Hux's big speech in TFA was one of the worst parts of that film, it was completely irrelevant to the plot. I mean maybe if the first 6 movies hadn't existed and JJ was trying to force the "bad guys are like Nazis" on us...
That's what made/makes Kylo Ren such a great character TBH - he's a lot more complex than "faceless bad guy in black" which, if we're being this critical, was all Vader was until RotJ.
It's hard to remember/consider that in the context of 30+ years of expanded universe material and an entire trilogy about his tragic rise.
Well, technically we had the first flash of Vader's true humanity at the very end of ESB with the very beautiful and subtle sequence around Luke & Vader's Force conversation as the Falcon was escaping the Executor and then right when the Falcon jumps away... Vader doesn't say a word but you can feeeel his sadness that Luke rejected him and his offer.
Which is confirmed masterfully when Luke and Vader meet face to face again on Endor in RotJ. Vader had obviously spent a LOT of time dwelling on it, and their exchange there is just perfect.
It's awkward, it's tense, it's tragic... lots of words cutting deep in that sequence.
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Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal.
I wouldn't expect the Elder Scrolls to ever use premade characters, because the idea of Bethesda having to lean on their story writing is funny. They aren't CDProjekt. It would only kill everything people like about their games while highlighting their flaws.
Exactly as you say, the mob, most likely a small, extremely invested, extremely opinionated and disenfranchised lot trolled the voting because the movie in their souls wasn't made.
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I do, however, expect a movie to answer the questions it and its predecessors lay out with more than a "who cares?" That's what The Last Jedi does. Every time there is a mystery, it shrugs and says "whatever, fuck it." Rey is no one and Snoke never mattered. It doesn't posit or flesh out anything, but rather wipes the slate blank. Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. It leaves the universe in an awkward place going forward.
I do not care what your answers are, but you should have answers, and they should make sense.
Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
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Indeed, I could actually take the time to present examples of very effective and genuinely surprising subversion that enrich their narratives rather than demolish them. For now, to avoid spoilers, I'll just say that two particular Brandon Sanderson series - Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive - show how expectations can genuinely be thwarted in the best possible ways. And not in small ways either.
Not everything requires it and not everything requires it to be so involved. Then again, sometimes playing around with things that are normally straight forward yields great results and sometimes it's not necessary.
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Don't be a hypocrite now.
It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end.
But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
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Why is that different? Because there is a 3rd act that now has to play in the world left after the cataclysmic events of Episode 8. You know, kind of like how Episode 5 "broke" Star Wars and then RotJ delivered an absolutely smashing conclusion.
RotJ did so without altering or diminishing the importance of the events in ESB. That is my hope for Ep 9, that it delivers a smashing conclusion without altering or diminishing the events of TLJ.
It would be a damn shame for Disney/JJ to cave to the trolls and head-cannon "purists" who pissed all over TLJ and try and idiotically "correct" what happens in TLJ.
Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.
"Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
Dude... the Emperor was in about 10 minutes of the original trilogy too. Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader before him, is the main villain of this trilogy.
Palpatine was certainly the main villain of the prequel trilogy.
At the end of the last Star Wars movie "something happens" and people freaked out. Forums lit up, people were angry and yet there is a whole other movie that "anything can happen."
Additionally, I think it's awesome that they expand the idea of what he force can do. Certainly, in my opinion, better than midichlorians. I don't, in my heart, accept that and just ignore it.
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And yes, references to facism and Nazism are prudent when the universe in question contains so many on the nose visual references to generic fascism.
Midichlorians just pointlessly explain the existing mechanics of the force. TLJ actually changes the mechanics of the force in contradiction to existing knowledge.
That doesn't make the midichlorians good, mind you. It just makes them not as bad.
Even still, those movies gave us Darth Maul, Ewan McGregor Obi, and the Clone Wars.
Palpatine certainly does have Hitler-esque rise to power, the prequels make that connection very clear, but as with real-life fascism it's far too easy and simple to blame the man on top, 99.99% of the atrocities are committed by the soldiers and generals on the front lines.
Hux's big speech in TFA was one of the worst parts of that film, it was completely irrelevant to the plot. I mean maybe if the first 6 movies hadn't existed and JJ was trying to force the "bad guys are like Nazis" on us...
That's what made/makes Kylo Ren such a great character TBH - he's a lot more complex than "faceless bad guy in black" which, if we're being this critical, was all Vader was until RotJ.
It's hard to remember/consider that in the context of 30+ years of expanded universe material and an entire trilogy about his tragic rise.
Well, technically we had the first flash of Vader's true humanity at the very end of ESB with the very beautiful and subtle sequence around Luke & Vader's Force conversation as the Falcon was escaping the Executor and then right when the Falcon jumps away... Vader doesn't say a word but you can feeeel his sadness that Luke rejected him and his offer.
Which is confirmed masterfully when Luke and Vader meet face to face again on Endor in RotJ. Vader had obviously spent a LOT of time dwelling on it, and their exchange there is just perfect.
It's awkward, it's tense, it's tragic... lots of words cutting deep in that sequence.