Yeah because reddit is known for a masses of users who never latch on to a controversy in order to chase upvotes...
But to be fair... With all the leaks there was not really anything to bring a massive pop. Even a casual stroll around the net would have most of the show spoiled. Add to that the fact that most people most people who watched last year knew D4 was coming... And we knew there was a new WoW expansion due to the cycle of life that game has... HotS being a dead game.... And hearthstone just puttering on.
Not much to get a big pop from. We have had years like that before with Blizzcon, add the rather somber opening... I think it was a good pop for the big three (OW, WoW, Diablo) Not massive but good enough.
Also it has not really been the same since Chris left.. some of the energy just went with him.
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
No 6 months for breaking a contract... And as i pointed out he is not a victim, he knew what he was doing and what the result would be. And going by the result, it was a smashing success. After all having a 6 month ban on ONE circuit is not even a dent in the flow compared to the personal brand value gain he did...
Yeah.. they got a harsh deal... But again... Not really costing them anything and again they probably gained a decent chunk of change on their own brand. After all.. controversy breeds interest
I think it is a good of an apology as one can hope for. Sure it is not the "crawling on their knees through broken glass" that some people wanted. But that was never going to happen any way.
I still think this was blow way out of proportion.
Like he said in the apology - what he says doesn't matter. All that matters is their actions going forward. Will they or won't they bow to the CCP for cash and stand against very basic human rights? I'm not certain they won't, and I'm am pretty sure they will. Until there is any proof of them standing up to the CCP regarding any of Blizzard's stated values, we have no reason to accept or believe their apology.
Keep in mind these basic human rights aren't nonsense like we bicker about in the west, like forcing other people to join mass delusions. These are the rights of people not to be disappeared for criticizing their government or going to the wrong websites or having governments stick to major deals they made, or not murdering and harvesting the organs of your populace, or not putting everyone of a certain religion in re-education camps and raping them and forcing abortions on them, etc. The most basic and what should be universally accepted rights. Not ridiculous nonsense from ridiculous people living in decadence.
I think it is a good of an apology as one can hope for. Sure it is not the "crawling on their knees through broken glass" that some people wanted. But that was never going to happen any way.
I still think this was blow way out of proportion.
Like he said in the apology - what he says doesn't matter. All that matters is their actions going forward. Will they or won't they bow to the CCP for cash and stand against very basic human rights? I'm not certain they won't, and I'm am pretty sure they will. Until there is any proof of them standing up to the CCP regarding any of Blizzard's stated values, we have no reason to accept or believe their apology.
Keep in mind these basic human rights aren't nonsense like we bicker about in the west, like forcing other people to join mass delusions. These are the rights of people not to be disappeared for criticizing their government or going to the wrong websites or having governments stick to major deals they made, or not murdering and harvesting the organs of your populace, or not putting everyone of a certain religion in re-education camps and raping them and forcing abortions on them, etc. The most basic and what should be universally accepted rights. Not ridiculous nonsense from ridiculous people living in decadence.
As i noted elsewhere.. They did not make an apology for their actions... It was a pre-meditated breach of contract. They apologized for how they communicated.
Anyone pulling this sort of stunt can face the same actions. You sign a contract you are by law bound by said contract.
That is not censorship per se.
In fact if we take the Streisand effect in to account (and no i do not think that had this in mind) it is a elegant way to support the cause and still appease the investors. You boost signal to noise and forge a healthy group of slacktivists to further improve signal to noise. Again, i do not think that is what they intended to do... But it is i am sure what blizzyboy was counting on.
And by that note.. How come nobody points a finger at Chung.. who knew he was going to get slapped and still did this without any care for the caster he got banned with him.?
So since everyone is pro-HK, they hate Blizz for trying to keep politics out of their eSports, should all opinions be allowed to be stated on their platform? Anti-vaxxers? Pro/Anti-Trumpers? Flat-earthers? Alt-right (Nazis)? Blizz is trying to keep their video game company about video games. They did a shitty job of it, but I don't blame them at all; you either ban all "real-world" talk from official events, or allow it all.
That's perfectly fine. Have a rule about it. No politics, keep it about the game. there was no rule banning this guy from saying what he said. He should not have been punished. I don't particularly care about politics in video games either but blizz obviously allows political statements. They do it themselves. Gay pride pins, openly supporting things. I fully blame them for supporting china in this issue over their own country and even over basic human dignity. Hey thats just me though and my dollars going to someone else. I been waiting on diablo for years. No thank you. Not after seeing how they really are.
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
So, there actually was a rule, you just find it a bs one. He knew the rule damn well and used Blizzard and the stage they gave him to push his agenda (good or not) and they slapped him on the wrist. Lets not pretend like they severely punished him or anything.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Funny how many fall so easily for typical corporate style apologies. This was a staple one. Saying sorry without actually acknowledging what they did wrong. Or what they specifically are going to do about it. Just blanket statement after blanket statement.
Just look at the setup "a tough heartstone moment..". This is setting the tone. Blizzard was facing a tough challenge (implying it was quite understandable that something went wrong..blablabla)
Then "we moved to quickly.." Just saying they acted to quickly and at the same time avoiding to judge their own decision. (this is corporate damage control speak 101)
Then "too slow to talk to ALL of you.." It is not an accident here that they don't mention the player in question.
"We didn't live up to the high standards.." In other words, we are usually so awesome, just this time kind of mediocre. Empty blanket statement ugh.
"We failed in our purpose.." Another typical empty blanket statement because the purpose is not explained.
" and for that I am sorry and accept accountability." Wait what? What exactly? Not reaching your 'usual' high standards?
This is saying sorry without acknowledging what they did wrong. A carefully written as neutral possible pr piece to avoid ruffling the wrong feathers.
Also typical , the whole 'when we get it right..' schtick, but leaving out the ' when we get it wrong..' part.
Tl;dr :
This type of carefully written apology always leads to fans hearing an apology, while critical people just hear corporate rhetorical language that has no meaning. It is designed that way.
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
So, there actually was a rule, you just find it a bs one. He knew the rule damn well and used Blizzard and the stage they gave him to push his agenda (good or not) and they slapped him on the wrist. Lets not pretend like they severely punished him or anything.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
There are times when such rules need to be broken. Blizzard is silencing the need to support human rights by their actions. And China is affecting the defense of these human rights through their controls of Western companies.
This is wrong, on a scale that far exceeds rules for a damn game.
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
So, there actually was a rule, you just find it a bs one. He knew the rule damn well and used Blizzard and the stage they gave him to push his agenda (good or not) and they slapped him on the wrist. Lets not pretend like they severely punished him or anything.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
No there wasn't. That bs rule says nothing about politics. that 1 rule is completely vague and holds no accountability. Why all the other rules then? This one rule should cover everything and none of the other rules are needed. You say he knew the rules. What if he wore a brown shirt and they banned him for it because blizzard didn't like the color even though it broke no rule listed. Do you understand yet? Do you read the entire EULA when you play a new video game? When you enter a contest, do you read every rule and understand all of its meanings? Blizzard is a western company, maybe he felt that that bs rule wouldn't affect him as surely the united states of all places support freedom. Frankly, I'm sure he feared far worse retaliation from china.
They have a nice extensive list of rules to abide by yet the only rule they could say he broke is the only rule that has no accountability. If there was a clear rule that says you can only talk about the game then fine, he should have been punished. There wasn't, therefore, none of them should have been punished at all. Their apology was 100% meaningless.
Times change and the only thing we can say for sure is that this is NOT the Blizzard of old that just wanted to make fun games and possibly get money to keep making their dreams a reality.
Now the old dream is gone and their main drive is making money for their shareholders and appeasing their overlords.
I'm not going to argue why or who is responsible, but it's definitely not the same Blizz.
Times change and the only thing we can say for sure is that this is NOT the Blizzard of old that just wanted to make fun games and possibly get money to keep making their dreams a reality.
Now the old dream is gone and their main drive is making money for their shareholders and appeasing their overlords.
I'm not going to argue why or who is responsible, but it's definitely not the same Blizz.
That Blizzard died the second Warcraft 3 launched....
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
Wow...you really do not get it.
It said in the rules, no politics. He knew he was breaking the rule, he said as much.
Riots and protests are nowhere near war, which by the way HK does not want as the Chinese military would crush them in about 48 hours, then you will see some crimes against humanity.
Winning a tournament earned him a paycheck, it did not earn him anything beyond that. Blizzard owns the game, they sponsored the event, if you don't like their rules, then don't play. It is really that simple.
Blizzard owed exactly no apology, the player should be happy he got his earnings (I am happy for him) and only a 6-month ban.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Antifa is at best a bunch of drunk football hooligans and most of the time a pack of potted plants... That is why most people do not give a shit about them... They can barley organize their fridge....
Did the article not quote the apology? Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?
They said we are sorry.
Still kept 6 month bans in place.
Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The original ban was 12 months
They cut it to 6 - which is total bullshit
Their action was weak- they said they are gonna do better - why not unban?
Why not reduce bans to 6 weeks?
Thar would be better.
This speech happened AFTER the bans were reduced to 6 months so they took no further action than
So yep- it was all talk to appease the western playerbase and Blizzcon goers they did nothing more to reduce the ridiculous 6 month bans
Just my opinion.
What they needed to do was unban the casters at least - Blitzchung should have gotten unbanned as well but they need to reduce 6month ban at least
I see no reason why they should have done any of that, he used their time and their event for his own agenda.
They still took action, you simply think it wasn’t enough and they should have done so yet again, taking a more and more political stance while doing so. Saying they didn’t do anything is pretty disingenuous though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Wrong, He won their tournament and EARNED the right to get up in front of people and speak. He chose to support his country at that moment when there was no rule against it. Again the bs rule of "do anything we don't like and we can do what we want" is nothing more than bs. He knew he might get in trouble, not because of that BS rule but because this was being broadcast in china and they are almost in a war. The bans never should have happened period. The least they should have done was fully reverse what they did and apologize for it. Instead, they tried to save some face with china and tried to somewhat settle the west. Do you see any politicians talking about blizzard now that they " lowered their ban and gave him his winnings that he EARNED"? Of course not. They did just enough to put them just under the radar but enough that they aren't being chastised in the media anymore and still in bed with china with nothing more than a slap on the wrist from their overlords.
Wow...you really do not get it.
It said in the rules, no politics. He knew he was breaking the rule, he said as much.
Riots and protests are nowhere near war, which by the way HK does not want as the Chinese military would crush them in about 48 hours, then you will see some crimes against humanity.
Winning a tournament earned him a paycheck, it did not earn him anything beyond that. Blizzard owns the game, they sponsored the event, if you don't like their rules, then don't play. It is really that simple.
Blizzard owed exactly no apology, the player should be happy he got his earnings (I am happy for him) and only a 6-month ban.
There was NO rule against politics at the time of him winning. Here is the exact rule they say he violated:
"Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms. "
Engaging in any act. Wearing the color brown could be that act. Flashing the peace sign could be that act. Saying thanks to all the guys and girls out there could be that act. You get the picture now. This is a bs rule that out of all their rules, is the only one they could say he broke. The one that is purposely vague and has no accountability.
Just fyi. This was in their apology note when they reduced the ban.
"The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision."
If that was truly the case then he broke no rule at all let alone the obtuse rule of no accountability. According to their own statement, his comment did not do any of the above. So the only thing left was "in Blizzard’s sole discretion". I believe This is where they are stating they got it wrong. But again words are meaningless without action.
Then they go on to say: "If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same."
They did not ban the Americans that stated they were with HK. They only banned them after the fact of having to backpedal due to the controversy growing so big. At that point, they had no choice. If they didn't the controversy was going to grow out of hand. Politicians are already making statements about this at this point.
If blizzard didn't do anything wrong according to you, then why have they came out twice and apologized, why did they give him his rightful winnings and why did they reduce the ban? It certainly wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
So your statement of the rules said no politics is a load of bs.
Not to mention that this has nothing to do with politics. Human rights being grossly violated has nothing to do with being political anymore than wanting to eradicate diseases would be political. It is the right thing to do, and everyone should be for putting an end to tyranny like this. Blizzard chose money over freedom, and over every person who idealizes their own freedoms.
I would disagree here. Human rights is still political. Rights, in general, are highly political. We have people every day in our own government trying to take away rights. Even right to free speech. This is where I believe in rules. Just as the nfl actually has rules in place that is supposed to prevent the manchildren from taking a knee during the anthem, They choose to ignore enforcing it. Whereas Blizzard, in fact, had no such rule against political speech yet chose to try and enforce a rule that did not coincide with the event in order to please their chinese overlords.
console sales for diablo 4 meaning lessor graphics to appease console peasants.... ugh.
but wait, there's more, "lets take all the diablo 3 assets and simply make them more realistic, then shove them into diablo 4" like come on. they aren't even trying anymore.... even watching the video, all I see is diablo 3 revamped graphically to be more realistic and less cartoony, which essentially means tweaked skinning and then more polygons. just sad.
im so disappointed.
I thought the CGI trailer for D4 was the best thing about Blizzcon.
Big kudos fo CGI staff at Blizzard.
However the gameplay for D4 shown was so mediocre- graphics look like PoE textures.
And the gameplay looks tired.
Yeah not great
This is not the same Blizzard anymore with so many pioneers and veteran devs gone... it's a shadow of its former self
Funny if you go on any of the PO boards a lot are saying its still too colorful and D3 like. Just goes to show you cant please everyone.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
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But to be fair... With all the leaks there was not really anything to bring a massive pop. Even a casual stroll around the net would have most of the show spoiled. Add to that the fact that most people most people who watched last year knew D4 was coming... And we knew there was a new WoW expansion due to the cycle of life that game has... HotS being a dead game.... And hearthstone just puttering on.
Not much to get a big pop from. We have had years like that before with Blizzcon, add the rather somber opening... I think it was a good pop for the big three (OW, WoW, Diablo) Not massive but good enough.
Also it has not really been the same since Chris left.. some of the energy just went with him.
This have been a good conversation
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This is turning in to good damm les mis....
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Yeah.. they got a harsh deal... But again... Not really costing them anything and again they probably gained a decent chunk of change on their own brand. After all.. controversy breeds interest
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Like he said in the apology - what he says doesn't matter. All that matters is their actions going forward. Will they or won't they bow to the CCP for cash and stand against very basic human rights? I'm not certain they won't, and I'm am pretty sure they will. Until there is any proof of them standing up to the CCP regarding any of Blizzard's stated values, we have no reason to accept or believe their apology.
Keep in mind these basic human rights aren't nonsense like we bicker about in the west, like forcing other people to join mass delusions. These are the rights of people not to be disappeared for criticizing their government or going to the wrong websites or having governments stick to major deals they made, or not murdering and harvesting the organs of your populace, or not putting everyone of a certain religion in re-education camps and raping them and forcing abortions on them, etc. The most basic and what should be universally accepted rights. Not ridiculous nonsense from ridiculous people living in decadence.
Anyone pulling this sort of stunt can face the same actions. You sign a contract you are by law bound by said contract.
That is not censorship per se.
In fact if we take the Streisand effect in to account (and no i do not think that had this in mind) it is a elegant way to support the cause and still appease the investors. You boost signal to noise and forge a healthy group of slacktivists to further improve signal to noise. Again, i do not think that is what they intended to do... But it is i am sure what blizzyboy was counting on.
And by that note.. How come nobody points a finger at Chung.. who knew he was going to get slapped and still did this without any care for the caster he got banned with him.?
This have been a good conversation
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This is wrong, on a scale that far exceeds rules for a damn game.
Once upon a time....
They have a nice extensive list of rules to abide by yet the only rule they could say he broke is the only rule that has no accountability. If there was a clear rule that says you can only talk about the game then fine, he should have been punished. There wasn't, therefore, none of them should have been punished at all. Their apology was 100% meaningless.
Now the old dream is gone and their main drive is making money for their shareholders and appeasing their overlords.
I'm not going to argue why or who is responsible, but it's definitely not the same Blizz.
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
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That kid is champion!
It said in the rules, no politics. He knew he was breaking the rule, he said as much.
Riots and protests are nowhere near war, which by the way HK does not want as the Chinese military would crush them in about 48 hours, then you will see some crimes against humanity.
Winning a tournament earned him a paycheck, it did not earn him anything beyond that. Blizzard owns the game, they sponsored the event, if you don't like their rules, then don't play. It is really that simple.
Blizzard owed exactly no apology, the player should be happy he got his earnings (I am happy for him) and only a 6-month ban.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
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"Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms. "
Engaging in any act. Wearing the color brown could be that act. Flashing the peace sign could be that act. Saying thanks to all the guys and girls out there could be that act. You get the picture now. This is a bs rule that out of all their rules, is the only one they could say he broke. The one that is purposely vague and has no accountability.
Just fyi. This was in their apology note when they reduced the ban.
"The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision."
If that was truly the case then he broke no rule at all let alone the obtuse rule of no accountability. According to their own statement, his comment did not do any of the above. So the only thing left was "in Blizzard’s sole discretion". I believe This is where they are stating they got it wrong. But again words are meaningless without action.
Then they go on to say:
"If this had been the opposing viewpoint delivered in the same divisive and deliberate way, we would have felt and acted the same."
They did not ban the Americans that stated they were with HK. They only banned them after the fact of having to backpedal due to the controversy growing so big. At that point, they had no choice. If they didn't the controversy was going to grow out of hand. Politicians are already making statements about this at this point.
If blizzard didn't do anything wrong according to you, then why have they came out twice and apologized, why did they give him his rightful winnings and why did they reduce the ban? It certainly wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
So your statement of the rules said no politics is a load of bs.
Funny if you go on any of the PO boards a lot are saying its still too colorful and D3 like. Just goes to show you cant please everyone.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!